* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:02] STARTING THE MEETING [CALL TO ORDER] AT 8 36. ROLL CALL. COMMISSIONER [ROLL CALL] OWENS PRESENT. COMMISSIONER GERARDO. GOOD. COMMISSIONER ALER. PRESENT VICE PRESIDENT GARNER. HERE. PRESIDENT MORALES. HERE WE HAVE FORM AND MAKE THE RECORD NOTE THAT COMMISSIONER GOOD WAS EXCUSED. SHE HAD PREVIOUSLY LET US KNOW THAT SHE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO ATTEND TODAY'S MEETING FOR OUR FIRST ITEM OF BUSINESS. COULD I HAVE A MOTION ON THE RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FOR OUR [1. 26-55169 Recommendation to approve the minutes for the Civil Service Employee Rights and Appeals Commission meeting of Wednesday, May 13, 2026.       Suggested Action: Approve recommendation. ] MEETING OF WEDNESDAY, MAY 13TH. SECOND FOR THE RECORD. THAT WAS A MOTION BY, UH, VICE PRESIDENT GARNER AND A SECOND BY ALER. IS THAT CORRECT? NO. IT WAS OWENS AND GAR. IT WAS THE MOTION BY BY OWENS. BY OWENS. AND A SECOND BY GARNER. THANK YOU. I KNOW. WHICH YEAR HEARD WHAT FIRST THERE. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE ? ANY CHANGES NOTED THERE? ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE MINUTES BEING NONE WILL MOVE TO A VOTE. COMMISSIONER OWENS AYE. COMMISSIONER LARDO GOODE. COMMISSIONER AARD AYE. VICE PRESIDENT GARNER. AYE. PRESIDENT MORALES MOTION CARRIES. I HAVE A MOTION ON THE RECOMMENDATION [2. 26-55170 Recommendation to discuss applicant’s appeal to the Commission regarding their disqualification from the hiring process.       Suggested Action: Approve recommendation. ] THAT APPLICANT'S APPEAL TO THE COMMISSION REGARDING THEIR DISQUALIFICATION FROM THE HIRING PROCESS. SECOND. UH, SO, UH, THAT WAS A MOTION BY OWENS AND A SECOND BY GARDNER. YES. SO MY NAME IS KIMBERLY, I FOR SEAT POLICE DEPARTMENT. UM, I'M GONNA BE READING MY STATEMENTS. YEAH. I'M HERE TODAY TO APPEAL THE DECISION THAT MY APPLICATION FOR PUBLIC AFFAIRS ASSISTANT WILL NOT BE CONSIDERED. I BELIEVE THAT I DO POSSESS THE NECESSARY SKILLS, EDUCATION AND TRAINING TO BE SUCCESSFUL IN ENROLL AND I ASKED TO BE RECONSIDERED. I'M CURRENTLY A FULL-TIME EMPLOYEE OF THE LONG BEACH POLICE DEPARTMENT. PRIOR TO MY EMPLOY WITH LONG BEACH I FOR THE NEWPORT BEACH POLICEMAN FOR THREE YEARS, WITH ONLY 20 YEARS OF PUBLIC SAFETY EMPLOYMENT, I'VE COMPLETED TWO COLLEGE DEGREES AND WORKED A VARIETY OF ASSIGNMENTS THAT I BELIEVE QUALIFYING FOR THE PUBLIC AFFAIRS ASSISTANT POSITION. I EARNED A BACHELOR OF ARTS DEGREE FROM THE CALIFORNIA STATE UNIVERSITY OF FULLERTON, WHERE I STUDIED WRITING COMMUNICATIONS, RESEARCH METHODS, COMMUTER COMPUTER PROGRAMS, AND SPANISH. I ALSO EARNED A GRADUATE CERTIFICATE FROM ARIZONA STATE UNIVERSITY, WHERE I STUDIED PLANNING AND PROGRAM EVALUATION, COMPUTER PROGRAMS AND DATA ANALYSIS. I WORKED AS A RECORDS CLERK, FRANCE CLERK, POLICE RECRUIT, MARINE PATROL OFFICER, DETENTION OFFICER CIVIC CENTER, SSO, TRAINING OFFICER, PEER SUPPORTER AND PUBLIC INFORMATION OFFICER. MUCH OF THE PUBLIC INFORMATION OFFICER ROLE IS EQUIVALENT TO THE PUBLIC OF YOUR ASSISTANT ROLE. I HAVE ALSO SPENT MY TIME VOLUNTEERING DURING COMMUNITY EVENTS, SUCH AS HELPING WITH THE COP KIWANIS, KIDS IN COPS, SPECIAL OLYMPICS RELAY FOR LIFE, BIG BROTHERS AND BIG SISTERS, ALL THROUGH THE LONG BEACH POLICE DEPARTMENT TEAMS AND EVENTS. THIS GIVES ME VALUABLE IN-PERSON INSIGHT TO OUR COMMUNITY AND HOW TO COMMUNICATE AND RELATE TO PEOPLE WE SERVE. HAS ALSO ENABLED ME TO SUPPORT RELATIONSHIPS WITH THESE ORGANIZATIONS AND NEW LEADERS. I'VE BEEN ENTRUSTED TO SAFEGUARD SENSITIVE INFORMATION AND ARE, HAVE DIRECTLY WITH THE PUBLIC AND CITY STAKEHOLDERS. COMMUNICATE AND PRESENT BY COMMAND STAFF ANSWERING THE CALLS, PUBLIC INFORMATION DILIGENCE RELEASES, UPDATE THE LBP WATER WORK IN OFFICE AS A PUBLIC INFORMATION OFFICER, WORK ON CALL AS A PUBLIC INFORMATION SO OFFICER AND PARTICIPATE IN COMMUNICATION. THIS EDUCATION AND EXPERIENCE HAS GIVEN ME AN UNDERSTANDING OF FORMAL POLICY AND PROCEDURE, PUBLIC EXPECTATIONS FROM INTERACTING WITH THE PUBLIC, THE MEDIA AND COMMAND STAFF AND TRAINING EXPERIENCE IN THE DAILY OPERATIONS OF THE COMMUNICATION DIVISION. AS THE PUBLIC AFFAIRS ASSISTANT SLASH PUBLIC INFORMATION OFFICER, I ALSO RECEIVED TWO AWARDS PRAISING MY COMMITMENT TO LONG BEACH POLICE DEPARTMENT, MY ABILITY TO TRAIN AND WORK ACROSS DIVISIONS AND ASSIGNMENTS AND MY POSITIVE IMPACT ON THE LONG BEACH COMMUNITY. I AM PROFICIENT IN ALL OF THE NECESSARY COMPUTER PROGRAMS THAT THE PUBLIC AFFAIRS ASSISTANCE UTILIZE, SUCH AS EXCEL, WORD, POWERPOINT, ARCHES PRO EPI CAMPO ONEDRIVE, MICROSOFT OUTLOOK, MICROSOFT TEAMS, R-M-S-A-R-S, AND GENETECH MONITORING SYSTEM, AS WELL AS SOCIAL MEDIA PLATFORMS. I'M PROFICIENT WITH CAD NCIC AND RADIO. BOTH I'M BE EASILY ABLE TO UNDERSTAND AND CENTER POLICE JARGON, LISTEN TO THE POLICE RADIO, AND QUICKLY INTERPRET INCIDENTS AS THEY ARE UNFOLDING. THIS EXPERIENCE HAS TAUGHT ME HOW TO REMAIN CALM AND MULTITASK AND HIGH STRESS AND RAPIDLY EVOLVING SITUATIONS, WHICH IS ESSENTIAL TO THE PAA ROLE. SINCE APRIL OF 2025, I HAVE WORKED APPROXIMATELY 703 HOURS OF TRAINING IN OFFICE SHIFTS AND ON-CALL SHIFTS WITHIN THE COMMUNICATIONS DIVISION AS PIO. THIS IS AN AVERAGE OF 54 HOURS AND MONTH OVER A 13 MONTH PERIOD. THIS IS IN ADDITION TO MY REGULAR FULL-TIME AND OVERTIME ASSIGNMENTS. I BELIEVE IN THIS SHOWS MY DEDICATED DEDICATION AND DEVELOP NOT ONLY TO LEARN, PERFORM, AND EXCEL AND THE ROLE OF PAA, BUT TO TRANSITION INTO THAT ROLE FULL TIME. [00:05:01] HAVE A GOOD WORKING RELATIONSHIP WITH COMMAND STAFF, DETECTIVES, COMMUNICATION DIVISION EMPLOYEES, AND SWORN IN PROFESSIONAL STAFF. THESE RELATIONSHIPS HAVE BEEN CULTIVATED OVER TIME AND TRUST AND EARNED. THESE POSITIVE PROFESSIONAL RELATIONSHIPS ARE CRITICAL TO THE PAA ROLE AND THE COMMUNICATIONS DIVISION AS THE GOAL. I HAVE DEDICATED MYSELF TO BECOMING A WELL-ROUNDED CANDIDATE FOR THIS ROLE. THROUGH MY LOYALTY TO THE LONG BEACH POLICE DEPARTMENT. MY COMMITMENT TO HIGHER EDUCATION TRAINING AND NUMEROUS, NUMEROUS HOURS SPENT WORKING IN , I BELIEVE I WOULD GAIN ASSET TO THE COMMUNICATIONS DIVISION IN THE FULL-TIME PAA ROLE AS WITH MY COMBINATION OF EDUCATIONAL AND WORK EXPERIENCE, I LY ASK THAT MY APPLICATION BE RECONSIDERED AND FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO COMPETE WITH THE AVAILABLE POSITION. THANK YOU. THERE'S SOMEBODY HERE FROM HR? YES. MS. PETERSON SUBMISSION OFFICER. I JOINED BY MY COLLEAGUE, EVERYONE. YOU SENT US INFORMATION THAT INDICATED THAT YOU GAVE US PART SPECS THAT INDICATED THAT SHE NEEDS TWO YEARS OF EXPERIENCE AND THAT THE APPLICANT HAD INDICATED SHE HAD TWO YEARS OR ONE YEAR AND 11 MONTHS. SO ONE MONTH SHY OF MEETING THAT TWO YEARS AND THERE'S, THERE'S NO LEEWAY FOR SOMEBODY WHO'S THAT CLOSE THAT WOULD MEET THE TIMEFRAME WITHIN THE, THE PERIOD THAT THE POSITION WOULD BE FILLED. PICK OUT, YOU KNOW, FOR THIS PARTICULAR RECRUITMENT UPON REVIEW, UM, IT WAS IDENTIFIED THAT THE CANDIDATE HAD FALLEN SHORT OF THE TWO YEAR EXPERIENCE. UM, SPECIFICALLY HE HAD A TOTAL OF 7.2 MONTHS OF EXPERIENCE. OH. UM, AFTER REVIEWING THE APPLICATION, UH, THE CAMP HAD, UH, COMMUNICATED THAT IT WAS EQUIVALENT OF A PART-TIME POSITION, 24 HOURS PER WEEK. SO LINE CALCULATION IT WAS 7.2 MONTHS, UM, ON A, ON A, UH, ALTERNATIVE OF 24 MONTHS. SEVEN. SO, SO WHEN YOU SAY TWO YEARS EXPERIENCE, YOU MEAN TWO YEARS AT 2080 HOURS? CORRECT. TWO YEARS OF FULL-TIME CLEVELAND EXPERIENCE. AND SO FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, I DON'T HAVE HER RESUME IN FRONT OF ME. SO EVEN THOUGH SHE SPENT, YOU KNOW, UH, BASICALLY 23 MONTHS AT A PART-TIME POSITION DOING ALL THIS WORK, THAT'S, THAT'S NOT GOOD. WAS THERE ANY OTHER REASON OUTSIDE OF THAT THAT SHE WASN'T LIKE, UH, WAS THERE ANY OTHER DISQUALIFYING FACTORS? NO. IT CAME OUT TO THE EXPERIENCE. SO WAS WAS THE QUALITY OF HER WORK AT THE LEVEL THAT YOU WOULD EXPECT FOR THIS POSITION? YES. BUT WHAT ALL COMES DOWN TO EXPERIENCE? SHE DIDN'T HAVE THAT 24 FULL TIME MONTHS OF EXPERIENCE MM-HMM . AND SO WE TRY TO REMAIN VERY CONSISTENT WITH ALL CANDIDATES THAT WAS, UH, SCREENED OUT JUST THE SAME WAY THAT SHE WAS SCREENED OUT FOR HER EXPERIENCE. AND, AND HAS THAT POSITION BEEN FILLED? NO, IT HAS NOT. OH. SO PART, PART OF WHY MEASURE JB AND THE NEW CIVIL SERVICE WAS DONE WAS TO GIVE A LITTLE FLEXIBILITY WITH THIS STUFF BECAUSE WE'RE GOING VERY LONG PERIODS OF TIME WITHOUT FILLING JOBS IN EVERY DEPARTMENT, NOT JUST POLICE DEPARTMENT. RIGHT. AND SO YOU HAVE SOMEONE WHO, OTHER THAN THIS NUMBER OF, OF HOURS THAT YOU WANT WITH THE EXPERIENCE, WHO ACTUALLY HAS THE QUALITY OF WORK TO DO THE JOB, UM, AND YOU STILL HAVEN'T FILLED THAT POSITION, IT SEEMS TO ME LIKE MAYBE WE NEED TO BACK OFF OF OUR, OUR, YOU KNOW, SORT OF THAT, THAT THAT ONE QUALIFICATION, IF THAT'S PREVENTING US FROM BRINGING IN SOMEONE WHO'S LOYAL TO THE CITY WORKS HARD FOR THE CITY. UM, YOU KNOW, TO ME THAT SEEMS LIKE SORT OF AN ARTIFICIAL BARRIER. I GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF INFORMATION, PLEASE. A POSITION NOT BEEN BUILT. SO THE JOB OPPORTUNITY POSTED, UM, APRIL 20TH AND IT CLOSED ON MAY 4TH. UM, AND SO ON MAY 7TH, SHORTLY AFTER IT CLOSED, UM, ALL THE CANDIDATES WERE NOTIFIED BY EMAIL OF THEIR DISPOSITIONS. CANDIDATES WERE EITHER NOTIFIED OF THEIR SCHEDULED TEST APPOINTMENTS OR THE REASON THEIR APPLICATIONS WERE NOT ACCEPTED. UM, AND JUST TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE MORE INFORMATION, UM, THE APPRAISAL INTERVIEWS WAS ADMINISTERED ON MAY 18TH AND THE 19TH, WHICH WAS THIS PAST MONDAY AND TUESDAY, WHICH WAS YESTERDAY. THE APPRAISAL INTERVIEW EVALUATIONS BY SOME SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS WILL TAKE PLACE ON MAY 27TH, AND WE EXPECT TO HAVE AN ELIGIBLE LIST AND EARLY JUNE, AND THEN THAT LIST WILL GO OUT TO THE DEPARTMENTS WHERE AT THAT TIME THEY CAN MAKE A SELECTION INTERVIEW AND GO AHEAD AND GET TO FILLING THEIR VACANCIES. [00:10:01] OKAY. YEAH, BECAUSE IT DID SEEM, SO I COME FROM A COMMUNICATIONS BACKGROUND. OKAY. UM, AND, UH, AND SOME WOULD SAY MY JOB NOW IS, IS IS VERY SIMILAR. IT'S A PUBLIC RELATIONS POSITION. UM, AND, AND I'LL JUST SAY, UH, JUST FROM, FROM WHAT SHE SAID, A THAT WAS VERY WELL WRITTEN. WE UNDERSTOOD FROM BEGINNING TO END WHAT THE PROBLEM WAS, WHAT THE ISSUE WAS, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. UM, BUT I, BUT I'LL ALSO SAY THE, THE, THE VARIED BACKGROUND THAT SHE HAD BETWEEN THE DATA AND COMMUNICATIONS AND UNDERSTANDING THE POLICE JARGON AND HOW THINGS UNFOLD, THAT'S SO ESSENTIAL TO A PIO POSITION IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. UH, 'CAUSE THEIR JOB REALLY IS TO TRANSLATE THAT TO US. THAT'S THE MAIN THING THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. RIGHT. AND SO THE, THE AMOUNT OF HOURS SEEMS TO ME TO BE, UH, YOU KNOW, I, I'M, I'M NOT SURE IF I AGREE WITH THAT CALCULATION BECAUSE THE AMOUNT OF HOURS WORK DOING COMMUNICATIONS VERSUS THE AMOUNT OF HOURS THAT YOU ACTUALLY SPEND DOING COMMUNICATIONS IS, ARE VERY DIFFERENT. COMMUNICATIONS TAKES PLACE UP HERE. YOU KNOW, YOU MAY, YOU MAY BE ON THE CLOCK FOR FOUR HOURS, BUT YOU SPENT 12 HOURS THINKING ABOUT THAT PROBLEM. AND SO I UNDERSTAND THAT WE HAVE THESE, YOU KNOW, CERTAIN STANDARDS, WE TRY TO BE AS FAIR AS POSSIBLE, BUT WHEN WE HAVE SOMEONE REALLY LOYAL TO THE CITY THAT'S BEEN WORKING HERE AND, AND, AND DOES A GREAT JOB, I WOULD, I WOULD HOPE THAT THEY WOULD AT LEAST GET, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE BIT OF LEEWAY ON THINGS LIKE THAT. SURE. I THINK WHEN ASSESSING CANDIDATES, WE TEND TO, YOU KNOW, DEFER OVER TO THE JOB BOARD TEAM, WHICH IS DOCUMENT, UM, IT GOES THROUGH SEVERAL STAGES OF REVIEW, UM, INCLUDING WITH THE HIRING DEPARTMENTS, UM, INTERNALLY WITH HR, AND THEN OVER TO OUR PARTNERS, UM, AS WELL. UM, SO I THINK WHAT APPLICANT, YOU KNOW, THAT IS THE CRITERIA THAT WISE TO ASSESS THOSE QUALIFIED TO FOR X IN THE PROCESS. UM, SO WE DO OUR BEST. WE CONSIDER ALL FACTORS. UM, YOU KNOW, UNFORTUNATELY IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, YOU KNOW, WAS OUTLINED, UH, BY THE APPLICANT THAT THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE TWO YEARS OF EXPERIENCE IN IT. THAT SORT OF LED TO THE DECISION ON THEY LOOKING FORWARD. WELL, SHE SAID THAT SHE HAD ONE YEAR, 11 MONTHS EXPERIENCE. SO DOES THAT MEAN THAT YOU WENT BACK AND LOOKED AT HER PERSONNEL RECORDS TO DETERMINE THAT SHE ONLY ACTUALLY HAD SEVEN MONTHS BECAUSE SHE WAS IN A PART-TIME POSITION? UH, WE HAD DEFERRED OVER TO THE APPLICATION AND WHAT WAS ANSWERED IN THE SUPPLEMENTAL QUESTIONNAIRE, UH, WHERE IT WAS . DID YOU NOT GIVE THAT TO US? BECAUSE THE INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE, SHE ANSWERED THAT SHE HAD ONE YEAR AND 11 MONTHS OF EXPERIENCE. CORRECT. THAT WAS PART OF THE SUPPLEMENTAL QUESTIONS. SO HOW DID YOU ASCERTAIN, HOW DID YOU COME TO DETERMINE THAT SHE ONLY HAD SEVEN MONTHS? BECAUSE SHE WAS IN A PART-TIME POSITION? BECAUSE IN HER EMAIL, SHE ALSO STATED SINCE APRIL OF 25 THAT SHE WORKED APPROXIMATELY 7, 700, 3 HOURS IN TRAINING IN OFFICE SHIFTS AND ON CALL SHIFTS IN A COMMUNICATION POSITION AND 45 MONTHS OVER A 13 MONTHS PERIOD. SO. OKAY. SO SHE, YEAH, MANAGEMENT TOOK THAT INTO CONSIDERATION AND DID SOME NUMBERS WITH THAT, AND THAT'S HOW WE CAME TO, UM, 7.2 MONTHS. OKAY. CHRIS, CHRIS, CAN WE HAVE HER? YEAH. YOU WANNA COME UP HERE OR? SURE. SO YOU'VE HEARD WHAT'S BEEN SAID, UH, CAN YOU SORT OF EXPAND UPON YOUR EXPERIENCE AND JUST BY FOR OUR, UH, YEARS, WHY YOU THINK TWO YEARS IS, UH, APPLICABLE IN YOUR CASE? WELL, I HAVE 22 YEARS OF PUBLIC SAFETY EXPERIENCE WHERE I'VE BEEN IN FORWARD FACING POSITIONS THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE 20 YEARS. UM, INTERFACING WITH OTHER CITY AGENCIES, CITY STAKEHOLDERS, BEING A REPRESENTATIVE FOR THE DEPARTMENT, AND, UM, PARTICIPATING WITH LIKE LONG BEACH PUBLIC LIBRARY, THE MARINE BUREAU PUBLIC WORKS, ALL OF THESE THINGS VERY FORWARD FACING. UM, AS FAR AS MY PIO ROLE IS CONCERNED, IT'S JUST 703 HOURS. THAT'S SPECIFICALLY PIO. AS FAR AS MY OTHER YEARS OF EXPERIENCE, I'VE WORKED ACROSS MULTIPLE DIVISIONS AT POLICE DEPARTMENTS AND CITY AGENCIES WHERE I'M IN A WORK ROLE THAT IS COORDINATING POLICE DEPARTMENT RESOURCES, INFORMATION WITH THE PUBLIC OVER THE COURSE OF 20 YEARS. OKAY. SO IN YOUR MIND YOU HAVE WAY MORE THAN TWO YEARS OF EXPERIENCE? IN MY MIND, YES. OKAY. I I HAVE ONE MORE. SO, YOU KNOW, USUALLY WHEN WE GET INTO THE, THE WEEDS OF HOW MANY HOURS THEY'VE ACTUALLY WORKED, DOING SOMETHING THAT MEANS THAT IT'S A CANDIDATE WE REALLY LIKE. RIGHT. BECAUSE YOU DON'T, YOU DON'T DO THAT FOR CANDIDATES THAT YOU'RE GONNA THROW THE RESUME AWAY ON, RIGHT? NO, ALL CANDIDATES ARE SCREENED THE SAME WAY. ALL, UM, EVERY SINGLE CANDIDATE. OKAY. SCREENED THE SAME WAY. WE LOOK AT THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS BASED ON THE JOB, JOB BULLETIN. MM-HMM . UM, SOME CANDIDATES, THEY'RE HONEST, THEY DON'T HAVE THE EXPERIENCE ENOUGH, SO THEY SELF SPRAY THEIR SELF OUT. THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THOSE SUPPLEMENTAL QUESTIONS. AND DEPENDING ON HOW MANY YEARS OF EXPERIENCE THEY [00:15:01] HAVE, IF THEY HAVE THAT TWO OR MORE, YOU KNOW, WE PROCEED AND CONTINUE ON IN THE PROCESS. BUT IF THEY HAVE LESS THAN TWO AND THEY'RE ANSWERING, OH, I ONLY HAVE SIX MONTHS, AND THAT SCREENS THEM OUT AUTOMATICALLY, SO SO YOU'RE ONLY COUNTING THE TIME THAT SHE SPENT IN THE PIO OFFICE? YES. OKAY. 'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT'S ESSENTIAL. AND RELATED TO THE ACTUAL DUTIES THAT ARE THE REQUIREMENTS IN BULLETIN. WELL, AS, AS A PUBLIC RELATIONS PROFESSIONAL, I'LL TELL YOU, ANY FORWARD FACING POSITION IS QUALIFIED TIME AND PRACTICE. UM, ANYTIME YOU'RE DEALING WITH THE PUBLIC, SHE HAS A HIGH LEVEL OF CONSEQUENCE OF ERROR. MEANING THAT IF, IF, YOU KNOW, FIVE YEARS AGO, 10 YEARS AGO, SHE WAS DOING SOMETHING BETWEEN DEPARTMENTS IN THE COMMUNITY AND SHE SAID SOMETHING WRONG, THERE COULD HAVE BEEN A REALLY BIG PROBLEM BECAUSE SHE SAID THE WRONG THING AND SHE HASN'T APPARENTLY. RIGHT. AND SO THAT, THAT IS COMING FROM A PUBLIC RELATIONS STANDPOINT, WHICH PUBLIC INFORMATION OFFICER IS A PUBLIC RELATIONS POSITION. UM, I'LL JUST, I'LL JUST LET YOU KNOW THAT ALL OF THAT WORK, UH, IS SOMETHING THAT I WOULD LOOK AT IN HIRING SOMEONE IN MY DEPARTMENT, UM, YOU KNOW, IN SO FAR AS PUBLIC RELATIONS IS CONCERNED. WELL, AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE WAY THE QUESTION IS WORDED, IT'S TWO YEARS OF PAID FULL TIME EQUIVALENT EXPERIENCE IN PUBLIC AFFAIRS SLASH PUBLIC INFORMATION IS REQUIRED. IT DOESN'T SAY YOU HAVE TO HAVE ACTUALLY HELD A TITLE OF PUBLIC AFFAIRS OR PUBLIC INFORMATION. YOU JUST HAVE TO HAVE DONE WORK THAT'S EQUIVALENT TO DO DO THAT. RIGHT? YES, I HAVE JUST ONE. SO YOU HAVE A MINIMUM STANDARD, CORRECT? YES, WE DO. AND YOU GO OFF OF, IF THERE'S FIVE BULLETINS ON THAT MINIMUM STANDARD, IF THERE'S ONLY FOUR AND THE FIFTH IS NOT MET, IT'S DISQUALIFYING NO MATTER WHAT YOUR EXPERIENCE LEVEL IS, NO MATTER WHAT JOB TITLES YOU'VE HELD, THAT IS YOUR MINIMUM STANDARD. YES. OKAY. IS IS THAT, YOU KNOW, I'LL JUST, I'LL JUST, I'LL JUST SAY, YOU KNOW, FOR ME, UH, COMING UP IN MY CAREER, THE AMOUNT OF JOBS I'VE APPLIED FOR THAT I DIDN'T MEET, THE MINIMUM STANDARDS THAT I DID END UP GETTING, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, AND, AND BEING SUCCESSFUL IN, UM, YOU KNOW, IT, IT JUST SEEMS TO ME THAT WHEN, WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT JOB APPLICANTS, YES, WE WANNA TRY AND MAINTAIN SOME SORT OF MINIMUM STANDARD, BUT WE ALSO WANT TO LOOK AT THE WHOLE PICTURE. AND WE NEED TO, WE NEED TO SEE A WHOLE HUMAN IN THESE POSITIONS. UM, AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, THAT'S MY 2 CENTS. I THINK, UH, I THINK WE HAVE SORT OF A, A, A PICTURE OF, OF THE SITUATION. I DON'T KNOW, UM, HOW YOU ALL FEEL ABOUT IT. ONE LAST THING, ALTHOUGH, BECAUSE I, I I, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT IF YOU HAVE A THOUSAND APPLICANTS, YOU'RE TRYING TO WEED THAT DOWN TO A MANAGEABLE CORE THAT YOU CAN LOOK AT. IF YOU HAVE MINIMUM STANDARDS, AND THAT'S HOW YOU QUALIFY THESE APPLICANTS, YOU HAVE TO, WE THAT DOWN SOME WAY SOMEHOW WITHOUT HAVING TO LOOK AT MORE THAN WHAT IT IS THAT YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU. GOOD. I, I DEFINITELY CAN UNDERSTAND, UH, MOST OF MY CAREER, MY EXPERIENCE GOT ME ALONG THE WAY, WASN'T SO I CAN CLEARLY UNDERSTAND HAVING A LOT OF EXPERIENCE TO DO A JOB, BUT IF THERE'S MINIMAL QUALIFICATIONS TO WEED DOWN A LIST, IT IS WHAT IT IS. BUT AGAIN, HAR I'M GONNA GO BACK TO, I THINK ALL FOUR OF US HERE HAVE APPLIED FOR POSITIONS IN CIVIL SERVICE OVER THE COURSE OF OUR CAREER. AND WHEN I LOOKED AT THE BULLETIN, I LOOKED AT WHAT, WHAT THE QUALIFICATIONS WERE. IF IT TOLD ME I HAD TO TELL THE SPECIFIC TITLE OR EQUIVALENT, THEN I COULD SELF, I COULD ALWAYS SELF TAKE MY, YOU KNOW, TO MYSELF OUT. THIS ONE DOES NOT SAY YOU HAVE TO, THIS, THIS DOCUMENT HERE DOES NOT SAY THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE HELD THE TITLE OF PUBLIC INFORMATION. YOU SAID EQUIVALENT. IF THAT SAID EQUIVALENT, THEN, BUT IT DOESN'T SAY THE TITLE. YEAH. IT SAYS TWO YEARS OF PAID FULL-TIME EQUIVALENT EXPERIENCE AND PUBLIC AFFAIRS INFORMATION IS REQUIRED. SO HOW DO YOU DEFINE EQUIVALENT PUBLIC AFFAIRS? BECAUSE WHAT SHE'S SAYING IS THAT HER FORWARD FACING WORK WITH OTHER DEPARTMENTS COULD QUALIFY AS PUBLIC AFFAIRS AND PUBLIC INFORMATION, BUT WHAT AN EMPLOYEE THINKS AND WHAT ACTUAL JOB, BUT IT, IT NEEDS TO BE CLEARLY DELINEATE, IN MY OPINION. ABSOLUTELY. IN THE APPLICATION PROCESS. OR THAT'S WHERE WE GET INTO CHALLENGES WITH THE EMPLOYEES SAYING, OH LOOK, FOR THE LAST FIVE YEARS, AND I'M JUST THROWING OUT NUMBERS, I'VE DONE THIS TYPE OF WORK THAT IS FORWARD FACING WITH THE PUBLIC. SO I MEET THAT QUALIFICATION. IT DOESN'T SAY YOU HAVE TOPEL THE TITLE, YOU HAVE TO HAVE WORK IN A PUBLIC AFFAIRS OFFICE WITH EACH INDIVIDUAL PHYSICIAN CALLS FOR DIFFERENT QUALIFICATIONS. SO ALTHOUGH YOU HELD THOSE FORWARD FACING OPPOSITIONS, THAT MAY NOT NECESSARILY BE WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR, BUT HOW DOES SHE [00:20:01] KNOW THAT? AND, AND, AND I'LL GO FURTHER IF I CAN. UH, ONCE AGAIN, AS, AS SOMEONE IN THAT FIELD SPECIFICALLY, THOSE ARE THE TYPES OF THINGS WHERE THEY'RE LOOKING, THEY'RE WORKING IN A CHART DEPARTMENTAL, THEY'RE WORKING WITH DIFFERENT STAKEHOLDERS OVER A COURSE OF YEARS. THAT IS EXTREMELY VALUABLE. AND I WOULD, I WOULD ARGUE THAT THAT MORE THAN QUALIFIES FOR EQUIVALENT, UH, EXPERIENCE. UH, AND I WOULD AGREE, WHEN, WHEN I'M HIRING, I WANT THE LARGEST POOL OF GOOD CANDIDATES I CAN GET. AND, UH, I'M CONVINCED BASED OFF FOR A RESIDENT WHEN SHE'S TOLD US TODAY THAT, UH, HER, THEIR EXPERIENCE OF SHOULD QUALIFY HER TO. SO DOES SOMEBODY WANNA MAKE A MOTION TO EITHER, UH, GRANT THE APPLICANT'S APPEAL OR DENY IT? UH, I'LL MOVE THAT. UH, WE GRANT THE APPLICANT'S APPEAL SECOND FOR THE RECORD. THAT WAS A MOTION TO, TO AMEND THE, TO AMEND THE RECOMMENDATION TO GRANT THE APPEAL BY, UH, UH, GARNER AND THEN SECOND BY A, IS THAT CORRECT? YES. OKAY. IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION AMONGST THE COMMISSION? IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM? TAKE IT. TWO A VOTE. COMMISSIONER OWENS NAY. COMMISSIONER LARDO GOODE, UH, COMMISSIONER AARD. AYE. VICE, UH, PRESIDENT GARNER. AYE. PRESIDENT MORALES? AYE. MOTION CARRIES. SO IN, JUST TO CLARIFY AGAIN, IF IN MY OPINION, AND I I, I THINK I'M PROBABLY SPEAKING FOR THEM, IF YOU HAD SAID SHE HAD TO HAVE HELD THAT TITLE, IF THE SPEC SAID SHE HAD TO HAVE HELD THAT TITLE FOR TWO YEARS AT A FULL-TIME BASIS, BUT YOU MADE THAT, THAT PART OF THE APPLICATION PRETTY GENERIC IN GENERAL, AND THEN THAT WAS THE BASIS THEN, LIKE I SAID, THE LAST TIME WE WERE HERE, THIS CAN BE A LEARNING AND GROWTH PROCESS FOR ALL OF US. YES, MA'AM. SO WE'RE NOT CRITICIZING THE WORK THAT YOU'VE DONE, BUT WE'RE JUST TAKE WHAT WE'VE SAID AS KIND OF A SUGGESTION FOR MOVING FORWARD. OKAY. AND ONE LAST THING. MY COMMENT WAS NOT A NEGATIVE FOR YOUR EXPERIENCE, IT'S JUST I JUST FEEL LIKE, UH, H WITH SOME TYPE OF MECHANISM TO BE ABLE TO GET THE QUALIFICATIONS THAT THEY ARE SEARCHING FOR OUT OF A WIDE CANDIDATE AND BE ABLE TO GET THE EMPLOYEE THAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR. CONGRATULATIONS. THANK, THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. GOOD LUCK. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY, WE'LL MOVE TO THE THIRD ITEM, WHICH IS [3. 26-55171 Recommendation to approve the Human Resources request for order of layoff.       Suggested Action: Approve recommendation. ] I HAVE A MOTION ON THE RECOMMENDATION. MOVE THE HUMAN RESOURCES REQUEST FOR THE ORDER OF LAYOUT. ANY COMPANY TO MAKE A MOTION A COME HERE, UH, FOR THE RECORD, THAT WAS A MOTION, UH, BY OWENS SECOND BY GARNER, CORRECT? HE DID. MR. SECOND MORNING COMMISSIONER AND GOOD MORNING AUDIENCE AND THE PUBLIC. MY NAME IS CRYSTAL SLAYTON. I'M EVEN AN BUREAU MANAGER OF PERSONAL OPERATIONS HERE IN THE DEPARTMENT OF HUMAN RESOURCES DO HAVE A LOSS OF, UH, FUNDING ALLOCATION IN THE CITY'S WOMEN'S INFANTS AND CHILDREN PROGRAM, YOUTH PROGRAM. UH, THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT HAD TO REASSESS THE STAFF AND PROGRAM SUPPORT THAT THEY COULD PROVIDE TO THIS PROGRAM. UH, UNFORTUNATELY AFTER REASSESSMENT, THEY REALIZED THAT THEY ARE NOW NOT, UH, NOT ABLE TO SUPPORT OUT OF THE FIVE PUBLIC HEALTH NUTRITION FULL-TIME BODIES THAT THEY HAVE. UH, THESE ARE FILLED POSITIONS. SO, UH, SO WE ARE HERE TO ASK NOW TO DO AN ORDER OF LAYOFF FOR ARTICLE SEVEN, SECTION 93 OF THE CIVIL SERVICE WORKER REGULATIONS. UM, AGAIN, IT'S TWO OUT OF THE, THE FIVE BUDGETED PUBLIC HEALTH NUTRITIONISTS. THEY ARE BILL COMMISSIONS. THIS IS A CLASSIFICATION THAT'S ONLY LIMITED TO THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT. SO THIS IS NOT A CITYWIDE EFFECT. UM, THEY DO NOT CURRENTLY HAVE VACANCIES. AND THE FUTURE, THESE, THESE INDIVIDUALS, UM, WILL BE PLACED ON WHAT'S CALLED A PRIORITY LIST. AND ONCE VACANCIES REOCCUR, SAY FUNDING COMES BACK IN A YEAR, UM, THESE PEOPLE WILL AUTOMATICALLY BE CALLED INSTANTLY, UH, AND HAVE OPPORTUNITIES FOR THEIR POSITION TO COME BACK. SO I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE. I ALSO HAVE THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT HERE IN THE AUDIENCE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS TOO. IS THERE ANY OPPORTUNITY FOR THESE, UH, FIELD POSITIONS? UH, I, I KNOW IT'S A DIFFERENT TITLE, BUT CAN THEY, UH, POSSIBLY FOUND OTHER POSITIONS IN THE CITY, THE PEOPLE THAT ARE BEING IMPACTED? YES. YES. SO, UH, A COUPLE THINGS WE DID IN TERMS OF LOOKING AT THEIR PRIOR CLASSIFIED SERVICE, IF THEY HAD ANY. UH, UNFORTUNATELY THE TWO PEOPLE THAT ARE, UH, THAT ARE THE MOST SENIORITY, THEY DO NOT HAVE PRIOR CLASSIFIED STATUS. SO THEY CAN'T REVERT BACK. AND THEN WHEN IT COMES TO OTHER VACANCIES WITHIN THE ORGANIZATION, THEY COULD ACTUALLY, UH, APPLY FOR OTHER THINGS THAT THEY'RE, UH, THING QUALIFICATIONS FOR. OKAY. AND ONE OTHER QUESTION. WHEN, WHEN THEY'RE HIRED, ARE THEY'RE TOLD THAT IT'S A GRANT, UH, FUNDED POSITION AND THAT THERE'S POSSIBILITY THAT IF THOSE GRANTS, UH, GO AWAY, THAT THEY COULD LOSE [00:25:01] THEIR POSITION? THAT IS MY UNDERSTANDING FROM THE OFFER LETTERS THAT ARE INCLUDED FROM THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT TO THE EMPLOYEES. OKAY, THANK YOU. SO I HAD A QUESTION ALONG THAT LINE LONG TERM. SO BRYCE, BRYCE AND I WORKED TOGETHER IN THE COUNTY. IN THE COUNTY. WE HAD SUB CLASSIFICATIONS ON ALL OF OUR CLASSES THAT INDICATED GRANT FUNDING. AND THOSE EMPLOYEES WERE NOT PROVIDED CIVIL SERVICE PROTECTION, FIND LETTERS AT THE TIME THEY WERE HIRED, THAT THEY UNDERSTOOD THE POSITION WAS GRANT FUNDED, AND THAT IF THE FUNDING WERE TO EVER GO AWAY, THEY WOULD BE LET GO REGARDLESS. IS THERE NOT ANYTHING LIKE THAT HERE IN THE CITY? SO THE GOALS IS WHEN THEY COUNTY IN THE CITY ARE, ARE DIFFERENT, RIGHT. WITH RESPECT TO CIVIL SERVICE. UM, THOSE SUB CLASSIFICATIONS ALSO IDENTIFY THE PHYSICIANS DIFFERENTLY THAN POSITION ARE IDENTIFIED HERE IN THE CITY. SO THE MECHANISM TO WHICH, UM, TO SEEK AUTHORITY FROM THIS BODY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH A REDUCTION OF COURSE PROCESS IS SOMEWHAT SIMILAR TO THE COUNTY. UM, BUT AGAIN, THAT NOTICE THOSE INDIVIDUALS, WHICH, YOU KNOW, CRYSTAL MENTIONED WAS GIVEN AT THE TIME OF HIRE. SO THERE WAS AWARENESS THAT THAT COULD BE A POTENTIAL. IT'S JUST UNFORTUNATELY 'CAUSE THERE'S NO, UM, REAL TRUE TIMELINE TO SAY IT'S GONNA HAPPEN SIX MONTHS OR A YEAR. AND I THINK JUST BASED ON SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE SEEN IN THE LAST YEAR WITH THE CITY, THIS IS VERY UNEXPECTED. AND, UM, WE'VE SEEN HOW THESE IMPACTS ACROSS, UH, THE ORGANIZATION SPECIFICALLY WITHIN THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT, BUT MAYBE THE CITY COULD LOOK AT DOING SOMETHING LIKE THAT GOING FORWARD. YEAH. THAT, THAT WOULD REQUIRE, UM, PROBABLY SOME MORE VISIONS TO THE ROLES AND IN TERMS OF JUST LOOKING AT HOW TO HAVE SOME OF THAT SIMILAR LANGUAGE. BUT, UM, OBVIOUSLY PRESENTATION YOU, YES, OBVIOUSLY THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT I, I THINK WE WANT TO EXPLORE AS PART OF, UH, YOU KNOW, KIND OF THE POST MERGER PROCESS IN TERMS OF REALLY ASSESSING THOSE. AND THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE LAID OUT. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. SO IS THERE A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A GRANT FUNDED LAYOFF OR JUST A REGULAR WE DON'T HAVE THE BUDGET FOR THESE POSITIONS INVOLVED. SO IT'S ACTUALLY, THESE ARE THE POSITIONS THAT ARE CLASSIFIED. SO WHETHER THE FUNDING COMES FROM A GRANT OR COMES FROM THE GENERAL FUND, UH, IT'S THE CLASS, IT'S THE STATUS OF THE BEING A CLASSIFIED, UH, POSITION. YEAH. I GOTTA, UM, FIRSTLY, UH, HAVE, HAVE WE MET CONFERRED WITH, IS THIS AN I AM POSITION? YES. THESE ARE, I, AM I A AM CLASSIFIED POSITIONS? CORRECT. AND, AND HAVE WE MET CONFERRED WITH THEM ABOUT THIS? WE ARE CURRENTLY IN THE MIDDLE OF THE MEET CONFER PROCESS. UM, THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT HAS CONDUCTED A MEET CONFER AND THEY HAVE, UH, HAD THE MEETINGS, UH, SUSTAINED ALL THE LOSS OF FUNDING POSITIONS INCLUDING THESE TWO POSITIONS. IS THERE, 'CAUSE I THINK, I THINK WE'RE ALL AWARE OF THE SITUATION WITH THE FEDERAL FUNDING FOR, FOR THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT AND STUFF, RIGHT? SO THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT MORE OF THESE COMING DOWN THE PIKE, RIGHT? WELL, THESE, AGAIN, THESE ARE CLASSIFIED POSITIONS AS OPPOSED TO UNCLASSIFIED. SO THE, THE CLASSIFIED POSITIONS WITH THE FUNDING, IF THE FUNDING GOES AWAY AND THERE'S NO OTHER VACANT POSITIONS FOR THOSE PARTICULAR CLASSIFIED, UH, POSITIONS, THEN, THEN WE MAY POTENTIALLY SEE OTHER, UH, ORDER OF LAYOFFS IN THIS, IN THIS FORMAT. BUT IF IT'S, BUT AGAIN, IT'S THE CLASSIFIED STATUS, WHICH IS DRIVING IT TO COME HERE TO THE COMMISSIONER. OKAY. SO MOST OF THE LAYOFFS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IN THAT, IN THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT AREN'T GONNA BE, UH, CLASSIFIED POSITIONS. THEY'RE NON, NON-CAREER, THE MAJORITY. AND I, I, WE HAVE THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT HERE, UM, AND WE HAVE DIRECTOR CARE, BUT THE MAJORITY OF THE POSITIONS WE HAVE SEEN HAVE BEEN UNCLASSIFIED. OKAY. . YEAH. AND, AND THEN, UH, AND THIS, THIS MIGHT NOT BE A QUESTION FOR YOU SPECIFICALLY. IT MIGHT BE FOR, FOR, UM, CITY ATTORNEY, UM, IN SO FAR AS, 'CAUSE THIS IS, THIS IS A BRAND NEW COMMISSION, AND SO I THINK, UH, JURISDICTION AND, AND PROCESS IS A LITTLE MURKY FOR ME. UM, SO MY, MY, MY QUESTION WOULD BE, UH, WHAT IS A, ARE WE EVEN ALLOWED TO VOTE ON THIS BEFORE THE MEETING FURTHERS ARE DONE? UM, B IS THIS A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL OR IS THIS THE FINAL DECISION ON THE ORDER OF LAYOFF? THIS WOULD BE THE FINAL ORDER LAYOFF IT ITSELF, UH, AS TO WHETHER THE WE DO, WE KNOW WHERE, HOW FAR ALONG IS. SO WE MET FOR, UH, OFFICIALLY ON THESE POSITIONS YESTERDAY. AND THEN, UH, THERE ARE, AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S ENCOMPASSING SEVERAL OTHER POSITIONS THROUGHOUT THEIR DEPARTMENT. SO IT IS ALL LOSS OF FUNDING THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT. SO, UH, IN TERMS OF THESE TWO POSITIONS, I HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE DEPARTMENT TO SEE HOW SOON WE CAN ACTUALLY GET CLOSE OUT UNDER THESE TWO SPECIFIC POSITIONS. THE RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO FINISH THAN ME PREFER FIRST, PRIOR TO, TO MAKE A DECISION ON TO THESE TWO SPECIFIC POSITIONS. MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THESE TWO SPECIFIC POSITIONS WE CONFIRM PROCESS IS STILL STILL PENDING. WE ARE PENDING THE CLOSEOUT LETTER FROM THE, FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, THE DEPARTMENT HAS SENT OUT THE CLOSEOUT LETTER TO THE, BUT WE ARE PENDING THAT WE ARE PENDING THE CLOSEOUT LETTER. YEAH. THAT I THINK THE [00:30:01] RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO WAIT UNTIL THE CLOSEOUT LETTER WAS, WAS COMPLETED. THAT THAT WAY DISTRICT, THE COMMISSION COULD HAVE A FULL TRANSPARENCY THEN MAKE YOUR DECISION ONCE THAT'S ALREADY, UH, ACCOMPLISHED. YEAH, THAT WAS MY QUESTION TOO. AND I, I UNDERSTAND YOUR TIMELINE BECAUSE IT, WHEN WE SPOKE LAST WEEK, YOU SAID THE FUNDING ENDS AT THE END OF THIS MONTH, BUT I, I'M NOT COMFORTABLE TAKING A VOTE IF THE MEET AND CONFER PROCESS HASN'T. UM, ANY OTHER THOUGHTS? I MEAN, WHAT WE COULD DO IS SOMEBODY COULD DO A MOTION TO HOLD THIS OVER UNTIL OUR JUNE MEETING. SO MOVED SECOND FOR THE RECORD. THAT WAS A, A AMEND THE, UH, MOTION TO AMEND THE RECOMMENDATION. WAIT UNTIL YOUR NEXT MEETING, JUNE. THAT WAS BY, UM, YOU KNOW WHAT, LET'S, LET'S, MAYBE THE MAKER WOULD AGREE TO MAKE A MOTION TO THIS UNTIL THE MEET AND CONFER PROCESS IS COMPLETED. HOPE COMPLETED, BUT IT'S NOT IN JUNE, I THINK PROCESS-WISE, BUT WE HAVE TO DO THAT IN DISCUSSION. DO A SUBSTITUTE MOTION OR A FRIENDLY IN DISCUSSION OR IN OKAY. IT COULD BE JUNE. YEAH, BECAUSE BUT BUT WE DON'T HAVE A MEETING BEFORE WE COULD, RIGHT. WE COULD DO IT. THAT'S TRUE. WE COULD, I MEAN THERE MAYBE IT'S INVER URGENCY ON STILL. OKAY. SO, SO I'LL SAY, UM, WE, WE, I'LL AMEND THE MOTION TO, UH, WHATEVER IS EARLY, YOU KNOW, UH, WELL, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE, UH, ONCE THE MEETING CONFERS ARE DONE NO LATER THAN THAN JUNE. AND, AND I THINK THAT, I THINK THEY WOULD ALL BE HAPPY TO COME IN FOR A MEETING EARLY IF WE NEED TO. MM-HMM . THAT CREATE A BIG PROBLEM. FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT. I DON'T KNOW , I, I DON'T KNOW THE STATUS OF THE FUNDING ITSELF. UM, THERE MAY BE MY UNDERSTANDING THERE MAY BE EXTENDED FUNDING. UH, THEY ARE WAITING FOR, THERE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A MEETING THIS AFTERNOON FROM MY UNDERSTANDING WITH VARIOUS PUBLIC. SO THE MAY 30TH WHEN THIS WAS SUBMITTED TO THIS COMMISSION, THE MAY 30TH WAS THAT DAY. YES. BUT BECAUSE OF THAT ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THAT CAME IN, IN THE LAST COUPLE OF DAYS. OKAY. UM, IT MAY POTENTIALLY BE EXTENDED. OH. SO IF IT'S EXTENDED, SO LET'S SAY, LET'S SAY IT DOES GET EXTENDED, LET'S SAY JUST THROUGH AUGUST. WE'LL, IS AS A HYPOTHETICAL, AND, AND WE WERE TO APPROVE THE ORDER OF LAYOFF, THE LAYOFFS WOULDN'T ACTUALLY HAPPEN UNTIL THAT FUNDING ENDED, CORRECT? CORRECT. OKAY. I THINK, I THINK THEN THE MO THE MOTION WOULD BE, UM, TO, TO COME BACK WHEN THE MEET AND CONFER AND THAT PROCESS IS COMPLETED. 'CAUSE I THINK WE'LL NEED BOTH, UM, TO MAKE A, TO MAKE A INFORMED DECISION. YOU GOT THAT VAC. UH, JUST TO MAKE, UH, THERE IS A FRIENDLY, UH, TO OWENS, UH, TO AMEND THE, UH, ORIGINAL RECOMMENDATION TO, UH, REVISIT THIS ITEM ONCE THE, THE MEET AND CONFER HAS, UH, COMPLETED AS WELL AS THE PROCESS WITH A, UH, HUMAN RESOURCE, OR I'M SORRY, THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT HAS BEEN COMPLETED. YEAH. CORRECT. OKAY. AND IF YOU'RE OKAY WITH THAT, I'M OKAY WITH THAT. ALL RIGHT. ALRIGHT. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION AMONGST THE COMMISSIONERS? ANY PUBLIC COMMENT IN THE SEC? UH, AND THE SECONDER, I BELIEVE IT WAS GARNER, RIGHT? MM-HMM . ON THE ORIGINAL FRIENDLY YEAH. YOU'RE OKAY WITH THAT? OKAY. ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? LET'S MOVE TO A VOTE. OKAY. COMMISSIONER OWENS. AYE. COMMISSIONER LARDO GOODE. COMMISSIONER ALAR. AYE. VICE PRESIDENT GARNER. AYE. PRESIDENT MORALES? AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU EVERYONE. ALL RIGHT. SO NOW WE'RE GOING TO VOTE. PUBLIC COMMENT. IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE GENERAL [PUBLIC COMMENT Opportunity to address the Civil Service Employee Rights and Appeals Commission on non-agenda items. Each speaker is limited to three minutes to make their comments unless extended by the President.] AGENDA? SEEING NONE, WE'LL MOVE INTO CLOSED SESSION. UH, ANY ANNOUNCEMENTS? WE [ANNOUNCEMENTS] DON'T HAVE ANY ANNOUNCEMENTS. OKAY. AND THEN, UH, IF YOU ARE MOVING ON TO CLOSED SESSION, MOVING CLOSED SESSION TONIGHT, UH, TIME IS NINE 11 AND IF [ADJOURNMENT] THERE'S NO OBJECTION SHARE, WE'LL ADJOURN. THANK YOU. OKAY. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. 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