GO AHEAD AND CALL THIS MEETING
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TO ORDER.IT IS THE MEETING OF THE AIRPORT ADVISORY COMMISSION FOR JULY 16TH.
[ROLL CALL]
COULD WE HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? COMMISSIONER ARIA HERE.UM, I'VE BEEN LOOKING THROUGH THE SPEAKER CARDS AND THE MAJORITY HERE ARE OBVIOUSLY FOR ITEM NUMBER THREE, SO I WILL MOVE THAT UP ON THE AGENDA FOR YOU SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO SIT THROUGH THE REMAINDER OF THE, BUT WE DO HAVE TO GO THROUGH, UH, THE APPROVAL OF OUR MINUTES.
I ALSO TO KEEP THIS ORDERLY IN AN EASY WAY FOR ALL OF YOU TO COME SPEAK IT.
REALLY APPRECIATE IF YOU DO A SPEAKER CARD, BECAUSE WHAT I'M GONNA DO IS I'LL CALL YOUR NAME, YOU CAN COME UP TO THE MIC AND SPEAK, AND THAT WAY YOU DON'T HAVE TO STAND IN LINE FOR A LONG PERIOD OF TIME.
SO I'LL WORK MY WAY THROUGH THESE.
OKAY? SO IF YOU ARE INTENDING ON SPEAKING TODAY, PLEASE GO GET A SPEAKER CARD AND HAND IT TO ME SO I CAN CALL YOU UP.
DOES THE MATTER BECAUSE GREEN OR YELLOW? THE, UH, THE YELLOW ONES ARE FOR THE OPEN.
THE GREEN ONES WOULD BE FOR A SPECIFIC ITEM ON THE AGENDA.
SO WITH THAT, WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE AGENDA.
[1. 26-55560 Recommendation to approve the minutes from the meeting of the Airport Advisory Commission on June 18, 2026. Suggested Action: Approve recommendation. ]
NUMBER ONE, PLEASE.ITEM NUMBER ONE IS A RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM THE MEETING OF THE AIRPORT ADVISORY COMMISSION ON JUNE 18TH, 2026.
IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE RECOMMENDATION? SO MOVED.
WE NEED A SECOND, SECOND, SECOND.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE MINUTES, IF YOU LOOK AT ITEM SIX, IT NOTES THAT NONE OF US VOTED AND WE WERE ALL ABSENT.
AND I KNOW THAT IS NOT CORRECT, SO I WOULD LIKE TO ENTER INTO THE RECORD THAT WE WILL HAVE, UH, KEN CORRECT THAT.
AND, UM, WITH THAT, IF THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION? SEEING NONE, ARE THERE ANY COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC? SEEING NONE, CAN WE GO AHEAD AND HAVE THE ROLL VOTE PLEASE.
[3. 26-55562 Recommendation to receive and file presentation regarding landing fees for aircraft utilizing Long Beach Airport and the impacts of implementing landing fees for general aviation aircraft. Suggested Action: Approve recommendation. ]
WE'LL NOW BRING UP ITEM THREE.CAN THE SECRETARY READ IT? ITEM NUMBER THREE IS A RECOMMENDATION TO RECEIVE AND FILE PRESENTATION REGARDING LANDING FEES FOR AIRCRAFT UTILIZING LONG BEACH AIRPORT AND THE IMPACTS OF IMPLEMENTING LANDING FEES FOR GENERAL AVIATION AIRCRAFT.
DIRECTOR, YOU WANNA MAKE A PRESENTATION, PLEASE? YES.
THANK YOU, CHAIR CHRISTOPH AND COMMISSIONERS.
UH, THIS NEXT ITEM IS A PRESENTATION ON GENERAL AVIATION LANDING FEES AT LONG BEACH AIRPORT, AS REQUESTED BY COUNCIL DISTRICT FIVE COUNCILWOMAN MEGAN KERR.
IN PREVIOUS CORRESPONDENCE TO THE COMMISSION DATED MAY 13TH, 2026, THE AIRPORT FINANCIAL SERVICES OFFICER MON CHA, WILL FACILITATE THE PRESENTATION AND ALSO INTRODUCE THE OTHER SPEAKERS.
UH, THE LONG BEACH AIRPORT PREPARED TODAY'S PRESENTATION IN RESPONSE TO A CORRESPONDENCE THAT THE AIRPORT, UH, ADVISORY COMMISSION RECEIVED MAY 13TH, 2026, UH, FROM COUNCIL DISTRICT FIVE THAT REQUESTED A PRESENTATION OUTLINING THE WAY AIRPORT LANDING FEES ARE COLLECTED AND USED IN LONG BEACH, AS WELL AS PROVIDING INSIGHT INTO THE STATUS OF LBS ABILITY TO IMPLEMENT LANDING FEES FOR GENERAL AVIATION AIRCRAFT.
THIS PRESENTATION WILL PROVIDE INFORMATION FOR THIS REQUEST AND FOR OTHER QUESTIONS MENTIONED IN THE CORRESPONDENCE HERE.
PRESENTING TODAY ARE MYSELF, UH, LONG BEACH AIRPORT'S FINANCIAL SERVICE OFFICER MOCHE.
UH, WE ALSO HAVE LONG BEACH AIRPORT'S NOISE AND CAPACITY.
UH, MANAGEMENT OFFICER JUSTIN COOK FROM CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE IS DEPUTY CITY ATTORNEY MARSHA YATA, AND WE ALSO HAVE MATT TOWNSEND, A DIRECTOR AT SCA AND ASSOCIATES.
I'LL PROVIDE A BIT MORE BACKGROUND ABOUT SCA AND ASSOCIATES.
AND MATT SCA AND ASSOCIATES IS AN INDEPENDENT MUNICIPAL ADVISORY AND CONSULTING FIRM DEDICATED TO THE AIRPORT SECTOR.
FRASCA HAS RANKED CONSISTENTLY AS THE NUMBER ONE FINANCIAL ADVISOR TO US AIRPORTS, AND THAT IS BACKED BY THEIR EXTENSIVE
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STRATEGIC CONSULTING PRACTICE SPECIALIZING IN ALL ASPECTS OF AIRPORT BUSINESS AND FINANCIAL MANAGEMENT, INCLUDING CAPITAL PROGRAM, FINANCIAL PLANNING, AIRPORT RATES AND CHARGES, AND FEDERAL COMPLIANCE.FRASCA HAS BEEN THE CITY'S FINANCIAL ADVISOR TO THE AIRPORT SINCE 2007.
REGARDING MATT TOWNSON, HE HAS HAD LONG BEACH AIRPORT IN HIS PORTFOLIO SINCE 2016.
MATT HAS AN EXTENSIVE BACKGROUND IN THE AIRPORT INDUSTRY.
IN FACT, MATT IS THE FORMER CHIEF FINANCE OFFICER OF THE HU HOUSTON AIRPORT SYSTEM.
HE ALSO MANAGED, UH, MAJOR ASSIGNMENTS AT AIRPORTS SUCH AS CHARLOTTE, MINNEAPOLIS, ST.
PAUL, PALM SPRINGS, AND PHOENIX IN ADDITION TO MANY OTHER AIRPORTS.
WITH THAT INTRO, I'LL KICK OFF THE PRESENTATION ON GENERAL AVIATION LANDING FEES, WHICH IS PRESENTED TODAY, JULY 16TH, 2026, TO THE AIRPORT ADVISORY COMMISSION.
ON SLIDE TWO, WE HIGHLIGHT THE UNDERLYING QUESTION THAT HAS BEEN ASKED, CAN LONG BEACH AIRPORT CHARGE GENERAL AVIATION A LANDING FEE? THE SHORT ANSWER IS YES, BUT ONLY ON THE GROUNDS OF COST RECOVERY AND NOT FOR THE PURPOSE OF REDUCING NOISE OR REDUCING OPERATIONS.
THREE, UH, POINTS TO KEEP IN MIND ARE ONE MOTIVE MATTERS BECAUSE A FEE AIMED AT SUPPRESSING GA ACTIVITY IS UNJUSTLY DISCRIMINATORY UNDER FA GRANT ASSURANCES.
AS IT RELATES TO FINANCIAL OUTCOMES, THE AIRPORT ALREADY COLLECTS LANDING FEES FROM AIRLINES AND FUEL FLOWAGE FEES FROM GA USERS TO FUND AIRFIELD COSTS.
SO INTRODUCING GA FEES WOULD ONLY SUPPLANT EXISTING SOURCES AND NOT ADD NET REVENUE.
THE LAST POINT NOTED HERE IS THAT HEADWINDS ARE RISING.
IT IS IMPORTANT TO KEEP IN MIND THAT THERE ARE GA GROUPS FILING FA COMPLAINTS RELATED TO THIS TOPIC AT OTHER AIRPORTS.
CONGRESS IS ALSO MOVING TO BAR A DSB BASED BILLING, WHICH IS TIED TO THE BILLING AND COLLECTION PROCESS FOR GA LANDING FEES.
ON SLIDE THREE, WE PROVIDE AN OVERVIEW OF HOW THIS PRESENTATION IS ORGANIZED.
WE'LL BE COVERING THE KEY RULES THAT ARE RELATED TO AERONAUTICAL FEES.
THEN WE WILL EXPLAIN HOW THE AIRPORT RECOVERS AIRFIELD COSTS TODAY, FOLLOWED BY THE POTENTIAL IMPLEMENTATION PROCESS, UH, WHAT IT COULD LOOK LIKE.
WE'LL ALSO TAKE A LOOK AT SOME CONSIDERATIONS RELATED TO THIS MATTER.
THEN WE'LL GET INTO SOME LESSONS WE CAN LEARN FROM OTHER AIRPORTS, AND WE'LL WRAP IT UP WITH A SUMMARY AT THE END.
SECTION ONE, THE RULES OF THE ROAD GRANT ASSURANCES ARE BINDING CONTRACTUAL OBLIGATIONS THAT AN AIRPORT MUST ACCEPT IN EXCHANGE FOR RECEIVING FEDERAL FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE.
FA OFFERS FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE THROUGH AWARDING GRANT AGREEMENTS THAT INCLUDE GRANT ASSURANCES, ACCEPTING THE AWARD WOULD BIND THE AIRPORT TO THESE ASSURANCES AND OBLIGATE THE AIRPORT FOR UP TO 20 YEARS, OR THE LIFE OF THE ASSET THAT IS FUNDED BY THE GRANT.
LONG BEACH AIRPORT HAS RECEIVED OVER $270 MILLION THROUGH NUMEROUS GRANTS IN THE PAST 20 YEARS.
IN THE AIRPORT'S MOST RECENT FA GRANT AWARD, THERE ARE 39 GRANT ASSURANCES.
VIOLATING ANY OF THESE GRANT ASSURANCES COULD RESULT IN FAA, TAKING ACTION TO RESTRICT FUTURE FUNDING, WITHHOLD CURRENT FUNDING, REQUIRING REPAYMENT OF PRIOR FUNDING OR OTHER ACTIONS.
FAA GRANT ASSURANCES ARE ONE OF THE KEY ELEMENTS TO KEEP IN MIND WHEN DISCUSSING RATE SETTING AT AN AIRPORT.
THERE ARE THREE GRANT ASSURANCES THAT SET BOUNDARIES FOR RATE SETTING, WHICH ARE LISTED ON THIS SLIDE.
GRANT ASSURANCE NUMBER 2 22 SPEAKS ON ECONOMIC NON-DISCRIMINATION, WHICH REQUIRES AN AIRPORT TO MAKE THE AIRPORT AVAILABLE ON REASONABLE TERMS AND WITHOUT UNJUST DISCRIMINATION TO ALL TYPES, KINDS AND CLASSES OF AERONAUTICAL USERS.
AS IT RELATES TO AIRPORT FEES, AIR NOT USERS COULD BE CATEGORIZED INTO DIFFERENT GROUPS.
THERE ARE COMMERCIAL AIRLINES, THEN THERE'S GENERAL AVIATION, AND THEN MILITARY OR GOVERNMENT.
COMMERCIAL AIRLINES ARE SOMETIMES REFERRED TO AS AIR CARRIERS.
FOR EXAMPLE, ARE PASTURE AIRLINES SUCH AS DELTA, HAWAIIAN, AND SOUTHWEST.
AND ALSO CARGO AIRLINES SUCH AS UPS MILITARY OR GOVERNMENT, UM, FOR EXAMPLE, ARE FIGHTER JETS AND NASA RESEARCH AIRCRAFT, WHICH ARE EXEMPT FROM AIRPORT FEES.
GENERAL AVIATION IS A BROAD CATEGORY OF CIVILIAN FLYING THAT IS NOT PART OF SCHEDULED PASTURE AIRLINE SERVICE OR MILITARY OPERATIONS.
THE COMMONLY KNOWN GA USERS ARE FLIGHT SCHOOLS AND THEIR STUDENTS RECREATIONAL FLYERS AND PRIVATE PILOTS.
THE LESS KNOWN USERS THAT ARE PART OF THIS CATEGORY ARE CORPORATE JETS, BLIMPS, HELICOPTERS, AND OPERATORS OF AIR.
THE AIRCRAFT GRAND INSURANCE NUMBER 24 COVERS FEE AND RENTAL STRUCTURE AS IT RELATES TO REVENUES FOR AN AIRPORT.
THIS ASSURANCE REQUIRES AN AIRPORT TO MAINTAIN A FEE STRUCTURE THAT MAKES THE AIRPORT AS SELF-SUSTAINING AS
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POSSIBLE, TAKING IT TO ACCOUNT TRAFFIC VALUE AND THE ECONOMY OF COLLECTION.GRANT ASSURANCE NUMBER 25 IS ABOUT AIRPORT REVENUES AND REQUIRES THAT ALL AIRPORT GENERATED REVENUE MUST BE SPENT ON CAPITAL OR OPERATING COSTS OF THE AIRPORT.
REVENUES MAY NOT BE DIVERTED FOR OTHER USES.
IN ADDITION TO THE GRANT ASSURANCES, THE FAA HAS A DOCUMENT SPECIFICALLY CALLED POLICY REGARDING AIRPORT RACE AND CHARGES THAT PROVIDE SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS ON FEE SETTING FOR AN AIRPORT.
ANOTHER RELEVANT DOCUMENT IS THE FAS AIRPORT COMPLIANCE MANUAL, WHICH PROVIDES ADDITIONAL GUIDANCE AND CLARIFICATION ON GRANT ASSURANCES BETWEEN THESE DOCUMENTS.
THERE ARE SOME KEY POINTS TO CONSIDER.
FIRST IS THAT FEES FOR AERONAUTICAL USERS FOR AERONAUTICAL USE MUST BE FAIR AND REASONABLE.
THIS IS A KEY FOUNDATION FOR DEVELOPING FEES AT AN AIRPORT, THE NEXUS COST CEILING, WHICH REFERS TO HOW AIRFIELD FEES GENERALLY MAY NOT EXCEED THE AIRPORT'S CAPITAL AND OPERATING COSTS OF PROVIDING THE AIRFIELD.
ANOTHER KEY POINT IS THAT NO SURPLUS SHOULD BE GENERATED SINCE AIRPORTS MUST NOT SEEK SURPLUSES BEYOND WHAT AIRPORT PURPOSES REQUIRE.
LASTLY, CONSULTATION SHOULD BE PART OF THE PROCESS.
AIRPORTS SHOULD CONSULT AERONAUTICAL USERS BEFORE INTRODUCING SIGNIFICANT CHANGES IN RATES AND HOW FEES ARE CHARGED.
ALSO, THE FAS AIRPORT COMPLIANCE MANUAL MENTIONS HOW AIRFIELD COSTS CAN BE RECOVERED THROUGH DIRECT CHARGES, SUCH AS WITH LANDING FEES OR THROUGH INDIRECT CHARGES, SUCH AS WITH FUEL FLOWAGE FEES.
THAT WILL GET INTO A LATER SLIDE.
I'LL NOW PASS IT ON TO AIRPORTS NOISE COMPLIANCE, UH, MANAGEMENT OFFICER JUSTIN COOK TO COVER SLIDE SEVEN.
UM, AS MANY OF YOU ARE AWARE, UM, OUR NOISE ORDINANCE IS GRANDFATHERED UNDER THE AIRPORT NOISE AND CAPACITY ACT OF 1990, ALSO KNOWN AS ANCA.
UH, OUR ORDINANCE ESTABLISHES STRICT LIMITS ON IN INDIVIDUAL AIRCRAFT NOISE LEVELS AS WELL AS THE CUMULATIVE NOISE LEVELS.
UM, BASICALLY WITH THE GOAL OF ENSURING THAT RESIDENCES AREN'T EXPOSED TO A-C-N-E-L, UH, LEVEL OF 65 OR GREATER.
UM, IT TIES THE NUMBER OF ALLOWABLE COMMERCIAL FLIGHTS TO MEASURED NOISE LEVELS, IMPOSES FINES FOR VIOLATIONS, REQUIRES CONTINUOUS NOISE MONITORING AND ENFORCEMENT.
UH, OUR ORDINANCES, UM, WIDELY KNOWN AS ONE OF THE MOST STRICT IN THE US OTHER THAN MAYBE PERHAPS JOHN WAYNE AIRPORT.
UH, IMPLEMENTING LANDING FEES FOR THE PURPOSES OF REDUCING NOISE OR OPERATIONS, I ACTUALLY COULD PUT OUR ORDINANCE, UH, IN JEOPARDY.
AS MONI SAID, FEDERAL GRANT INSURANCES, UH, PROHIBIT ANY ECONOMIC MECHANISM AS AN INDIRECT WAY TO RESULT, UM, TO RESTRICT LAWFUL AERONAUTICAL ACTIVITY.
UH, THE FAA AND FEDERAL COURTS HAVE HELD THAT USING NOISE AND OPERATIONAL BASED REASONING TO LIMIT AIRCRAFT IS UNJUSTLY DISCRIMINATORY, AND A VIOLATION OF, OF GRANT ASSURANCES IS KIND OF MONY DETAILED.
HOWEVER, SOME OF, UM, THE PERMISSIBLE BASIS INCLUDE RECOVERING THE AIRPORT'S ACTUAL CAPITAL AND OPERATING COST OF THE AIRFIELD, UH, MAKING THE AIRPORT, UM, AS SAFE, UH, SELF-SUSTAINING AS PRACTICAL AND FAIR APPROXIMATION OF EACH USER'S USE OF THE FACILITIES.
BACK TO YOU SECTION TWO, HOW LGB RECOVERS AIRFIELD COSTS.
ON SLIDE NINE, WE EXPLAIN HOW THE AIRPORT CURRENTLY RECOVERS COST, WHICH IS THROUGH TWO DIFFERENT AVENUES FOR AIR CARRIERS.
THE AIRPORT COLLECTS LANDING FEES, WHICH IS A DIRECT METHOD TIED TO THEIR USE AND IMPACT ON THE AIRFIELD.
THE FEE IS ASSESSED FOR EACH LANDING AND CALCULATED BASED ON THE WEIGHT OF THE AIRCRAFT.
APPROXIMATELY $12.9 MILLION IS EXPECTED TO BE GENERATED IN FISCAL YEAR 26 THROUGH THIS AVENUE.
THE FEE IS DEVELOPED BASED ON A HYBRID COMPENSATORY RESIDUAL METHODOLOGY.
THE AIRPORT HAS AN ESTABLISHED UNIQUE APPROACH TO AIRLINE FEES, WHICH INCLUDE LANDING FEES AMONG OTHER FEES CHARGED TO THE AIRLINES.
THE FEES FLEX ANNUALLY WITH BUDGET AND MARKETING CONDITIONS.
IT IS A LONGSTANDING APPROACH THAT IS FAIR AND HAS BEEN ACCEPTED BY AIRLINES.
THE LANDING FEE FOR AIRLINES IS COMMENSURATE WITH THEIR, THEIR AIRFIELD USE AND IMPACT.
THE OTHER WAY THAT THE AIRPORT RECOVERS AIRFIELD COSTS IS INDIRECTLY THROUGH FUEL FLOWAGE FEES.
THIS IS A TRADITIONAL METHOD FOR GA
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ACTIVITY IN WHICH THE FEE IS COLLECTED IN LOUIS OF LANDING FEES.IT IS A COMMON INDUSTRY PRACTICE AND IS SPECIFICALLY MENTIONED IN THE FA A'S AIRPORT COMPLIANCE MANUAL.
THE FEES ARE COLLECTED AT THE PUMP FOR USERS, SO IT SCALES WITH USE AUTOMATICALLY.
IN ADDITION TO THIS, WE ALSO NOTE THAT GA USERS ALSO PAY OTHER FEES SUCH AS FEES FOR TIE DOWNS, HANGAR RENTALS, AND OTHER CHARGES BETWEEN TWO.
THESE TWO REVENUE STREAMS, THE AIRPORT RECOVERS THE FULL COST OF THE AIRFIELD FROM DIFFERENT USERS OF THE AIRFIELD.
SECTION THREE, POTENTIAL IMPLEMENTATION PROCESS.
ON SLIDE 11, WE GO OVER THE SIX STEPS THAT WOULD TAKE TO IMPLEMENT GA LANDING FEES AT THE AIRPORT.
OVERALL, THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THESE FEES REQUIRE A REWORK OF THE RATE SETTING METHODOLOGY.
THE CURRENT LANDING FEE IS SPECIFICALLY FOR AIRLINES AND IS PART OF A LARGER SET OF FEES FOR AIRLINES.
THE AIRPORT HAS A LONGSTANDING BUDGET-BASED APPROACH TO AIRLINE RATES RATHER THAN A PURE COST RECOVERY MODEL.
AIRLINE LANDING FEES ARE ESCALATED EACH YEAR TO MEET FINANCIAL REQUIREMENTS RATHER THAN CALCULATE FROM A COST OF AIRFIELD FORMULA.
THE APPROACH WORKS FINE FOR AIRLINES WHO HAVE ACCEPTED IT TO IMPLEMENT GA LANDING FEES.
THE METHODOLOGY WOULD NEED TO BE REBUILT ENTIRELY THROUGH THESE SIX STEPS.
IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT NO FAA APPROVAL IS NEEDED TO IMPLEMENT GA LANDING FEES, BUT THE FEES MUST COMPLY WITH ALL APPLICABLE REQUIREMENTS SUCH AS THE GRANT ASSURANCES AND FAS RATE AND CHARGES POLICY.
TO START OFF THE PROCESS, WE WOULD FIRST NEED TO REASSESS ALL THE COST CENTERS AT THE AIRPORT, NOT JUST THE AIRFIELD.
FROM THERE, WE WOULD NEED TO DEFINE THE USERS OF THE AIRPORT, WHICH INVOLVES A REVIEW OF WHICH AIRCRAFT AND OPERATORS WOULD BE CHARGED AND DETERMINE EXEMPTIONS IF, IF ANY.
IN STEP THREE, WE WOULD TIE TOGETHER STEP ONE AND TWO TO ESTIMATE, UH, COST ALLOCATIONS WITH COST DETERMINED AND USERS DEFINE, WE CAN ALLOCATE ALL THE COSTS AND HAVE A DEFENSIBLE DOCUMENTED APPROACH.
FROM THERE, WE CAN MOVE ON TO STEP FOUR, WHICH INVOLVES SELECTING A COST RECOVERY FORMULA THAT COMPLIES WITH FEDERAL REQUIREMENTS.
AT THIS POINT, WE ARE DEVELOPING THE ACTUAL FEES AND RATES THAT WILL BE PROPOSED.
STEP FIVE IS TO CONSULT ALL IMPACTED AERONAUTICAL USERS OF SIGNIFICANT CHANGE TO THE FEES.
THIS INCLUDES CONSULTING THE AIRLINES ON THE PROPOSED FEES AND THE CHANGES TO THE APPROACH.
ONCE ALL THAT IS SETTLED AND THE FEE IS ADOPTED, THE LAST STEP IS TO IMPLEMENT AN ADMINISTRATIVE FEES.
THIS STEP WILL BE ONGOING AS THE AIRPORT WILL CONTINUE TO BILL, COLLECT AND MANAGE THE FEES.
AND MATT TOWNSEND FROM FSCO WILL BE PRESENTING THE NEXT SECTION AS MENTIONED IN THE INTRODUCTION, MATT HAS AN EXTENSIVE KNOWLEDGE OF THE AIRPORT INDUSTRY AND RELATED FEDERAL REGULATIONS.
HE WILL PROVIDE A VALUABLE PERSPECTIVE ON THE TOPIC AS WELL AS SHARE SOME KEY INSIGHTS FROM THE INDUSTRY.
AND, UH, GOOD AFTERNOON TO EVERYONE.
UH, AS MONI SAID, MY NAME IS, UH, MATT TOWNSEND, AND I'M A DIRECTOR WITH FRASCA AND ASSOCIATES.
UH, WE ARE A FINANCIAL ADVISORY FIRM SPECIALIZING, UH, IN THE AIRPORT SECTOR.
UH, AND, UH, CYNTHIA AMMO ASKED ME, UH, TO, UH, SPEAK TODAY, UH, UH, TO SHARE SOME CONSIDERATIONS, UH, WITH REGARD TO, UH, IMPLEMENTING A GA LANDING FEE.
UM, UH, IN ADDITION TO THE, UH, ITEMS THAT, UH, MONI HAS ALREADY RAISED, THESE ARE NOT RECOMMENDATIONS, BUT RATHER A GOAL TO GIVE THE COMMISSION AND THE AUDIENCE A, A COMPLETE PICTURE OF THE IMPLE IMPLEMENTATIONS OF IMPLEMENTING A GA LANDING FEE.
UH, DESCRIBE FURTHER HOW THE FEDERAL FRAMEWORK OPERATES AND HOW THESE FEES ARE STRUCTURED ELSEWHERE.
UM, AGAIN, WITHOUT ADVOCATING A POSITION OR, OR PREDICTING ANY OUTCOMES, UM, THIS IS, UH, I, I CAN TELL YOU THAT THIS IS A, A HOT TOPIC IN THE INDUSTRY.
A LARGE PART OF IT HAS TO DO WITH THE, THE NEW TECHNOLOGY, UH, THAT, UM, THAT HAS THE PAIRS, THE A DSB SURVEILLANCE WITH, UH, THE AUTOMATIC BILLING.
UM, AND, UH, IN, UH, I, I HAVE BEEN ASKED TO, UM, UH, SPEAK TO, UH, THE IMPLEMENTATION OF GA LANDING FEES AT, AT MULTIPLE AIRPORTS, NOT JUST HERE IN LONG BEACH.
AND I, I WANT TO ADDRESS AN IMPRESSION THAT I HAVE, UM, UH, UH, UH, GOTTEN AT MULTIPLE AIRPORTS WITH REGARD TO, UH, THE IMPLEMENTATION OF, OF LANDING FEES FOR GA UH, UH, OPERATORS ON TOP OF THE EXISTING LANDING FEES CHARGED TO AIRLINE TENANTS.
UM, AND THAT IS THAT THERE, THERE IS SOMETIMES AN IMPRESSION, UH, THAT SOME MAY HAVE, THAT THE AIRPORT IS LEAVING MONEY ON THE TABLE, UH, BY NOT CHARGING GENERAL AVIATION OPERATORS A LANDING FEES.
UH, AND I'D JUST LIKE TO OFFER A FEW CONSIDERATIONS ON WHY THAT ISN'T REALLY, UH, HOW, UH, AIRPORT FINANCE, UH, AND WORKS IN THE, IN
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THE CONTEXT IN THE FEDERAL REGULATORY CON CONTEXT.UH, UNDER THE AIRPORT'S FEDERAL GRANT ASSURANCES, WHICH, WHICH MONI SURVEYED, UH, EARLIER IN THE PRESENTATION, UH, THE AIRFIELD IS EXPECTED TO RECOVER ITS COST, UH, AND CANNOT GENERATE A SURPLUS.
WHAT THAT MEANS IS THAT AIRFIELD FEES IN THE AGGREGATE CANNOT EXCEED WHAT IT COSTS TO OPERATE AND MAINTAIN THE AIRFIELD.
SO THE TOTAL, THE AIRFIELD MAY COLLECT, UH, THROUGH LANDING FEES AND OTHER USE FEES, INCLUDING FUEL FLOWAGE FEES, IS EFFECTIVELY FIXED BY ITS COST, NOT BY HOW MANY DIFFERENT TYPES OF FEES ARE CHARGED.
SO THE POINT HERE, UH, IS THAT, UM, UM, TO, TO, TO GO BACK TO ONE OF MONNIE'S EARLIER POINTS THAT, UH, ANY IMPLEMENTATION OF A GA LANDING FEE, UH, WOULD NEED TO BE, UH, REVENUE NEUTRAL IN TOTAL.
UM, SECOND, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO MAKE THE POINT THAT THE AIRFIELD'S COST IS ALREADY BEING RECOVERED TODAY.
UH, THAT RECOVERY INCLUDES ALL PAYMENTS FOR AIRFIELD USE, THE LANDING FEES, UH, PAID BY THE AIRLINES AND FUEL FLOWAGE FEES PAID BY, UH, THE GENERAL AVIATION OPERATORS.
UH, IN ADDITION, GA OPERATORS ALSO PAY, UH, TIE DOWN FEES, HANGAR RENTALS, AND OTHER AIRPORT CHARGES.
UH, FUEL FLOWAGE IS THE LONGSTANDING INDUSTRY STANDARD MECHANISM THROUGH WHICH GA CON CONTRIBUTES TO AIRFIELD COSTS.
OF COURSE, THE TECHNOLOGY HAS, HAS CHANGED.
RECENTLY, IF THE AIRPORT WERE TO ADD A GA LANDING FEE, UH, THE ARITHMETIC, UH, IS THAT GA DOLLARS WOULD COME IN AND OTHER DOLLARS, MOST LIKELY AIR CARRIER DOLLARS WOULD COME OUT.
SO IT SIMPLY WOULD BE A REALLOCATION OF WHO PAYS NOT AN INCREASE IN WHAT THE AIRPORT, UH, CONNECT COLLECTS FOR THE AIRFIELD.
I'D ALSO LIKE TO MENTION THAT AT SOME AIRPORTS THAT I'VE WORKED AT THAT HAVE EVALUATED GA LANDING FEES.
UH, SO, UH, AT SOME AIRPORTS THAT HAVE IMPLEMENTED GA LANDING OR HAVE CONSIDERED IMPLEMENTING GA LANDING FEES, UM, THAT, UH, THE, THE COST OF THE NEW TECHNOLOGY, THESE NEW SYSTEMS OFTEN OUTWEIGHS THE INCREMENTAL REVENUES, UH, THAT ARE, ARE THE PAYMENTS MADE BY GA OPERATORS.
UM, AND IN THESE CASES, UH, IN, IN AN ENVIRONMENT IN WHICH YOU'RE JUST DISTRIBUTING COSTS BETWEEN AIRLINES AND GA USERS, THE AIRLINES WOULD OBVIOUSLY BENEFIT FROM A GA LANDING FEE.
UH, BUT THE, UH, IN SEVERAL INSTANCES THAT I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN, THE UH, UH, AIRLINES HAVE, UH, SAID NOT TO IMPLEMENT A GA LANDING FEE SIMPLY BECAUSE IT WILL RAISE THEIR, UH, LANDING FEES AS WELL, UM, AS A RESULT OF THE, UH, COST ASSOCIATED WITH THE THE THIRD PARTY SYSTEMS. NEXT SLIDE.
UM, THE NEXT SLIDE, UH, MAKES A POINT THAT THE, THE FEE STRUCTURE IS ACTUALLY RATIONAL.
THERE'S A METHOD BEHIND THE MADNESS, SO TO SPEAK, UM, BECAUSE FEES ARE COMMENSURATE TO, TO, TO THE, THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF USERS IMPACT ON THE AIRFIELD.
UM, FIRST, UH, GA LANDING FEES ARE TYPICALLY APPLIED ONLY ABOVE A MAXIMUM LANDED WEIGHT THRESHOLD, WHICH IS COMMONLY AROUND 12,500 POUNDS.
UH, THIS IS THE COMMON INDUSTRY PRACTICE WITH THE RATIONALE BEING THAT HEAVIER AIRCRAFT IMPOSE A LARGER SHARE OF WEAR ON THE AIRFIELD, AND THIS IS, IS PROVEN, UH, LBS.
UH, RUNWAYS, UH, PAVEMENT STRENGTH AND SAFETY AREAS ARE ENGINEERED TO THE STANDARD THAT COMMERCIAL JETS REQUIRE, AND A PURELY GENERAL AVIATION AIRPORT WOULD NOT NEED FACILITIES BUILT TO THAT LEVEL.
SO THE CURRENT COST ALLOCATION RE REFLECTS THIS REALITY.
UH, THE USERS WHO DRIVE THE HIGHER DESIGN STANDARD OR THE AIRLINES CARRY THE LARGER SHARE OF THE AIRFIELD'S COST.
UM, THE, UH, SOME AIRPORTS ALSO EXEMPT, UH, A BASED AIRCRAFT, AND THIS IS EXPLICITLY ALLOWED, UH, IN THE FAA COMPLIANCE MANUAL, UM, UNDER THE RATIONALE THAT TENANTS, UH, GA TENANTS ALREADY CONTRIBUTE THROUGH LEASES, HANGAR RENTALS, AND FUEL FLOWAGE FEES.
UM, UH, AND AS A RESULT, THE LA GA LANDING FEES APPLY ONLY TO ITINERANT TRAFFIC.
UM, UH, WILL, THERE WILL BE A SLIDE ABOUT, UH, THE EXPERIENCE OF OTHER AIRPORTS HERE SHORTLY.
THAT SPEAKS, UH, THAT INCLUDES, UH, A RECENT, UM, IMPOSITION OF A LANDING FEE PROPOSED BY MESA GATEWAY AIRPORT.
AND, UH, THIS AIRPORT WOULD BE, UH, ONE THAT, UH, HAS A WHILE IT HAS ADOPTED GA LANDING FEES, UH, THEY DO NOT APPLY TO BASED AIRCRAFT.
UM, THESE IMPLICATIONS ARE WORTH UNDERSTANDING, UH, AND THINKING THROUGH, UH, THE AIRCRAFT THAT WOULD ACTUALLY BE CHARGED UNDER A TYPICAL, UH, WEIGHT THRESHOLD.
THE HEAVIER OUT AIRCRAFT TYPICALLY, UH, ACCOUNT FOR ONLY A FRACTION OF TOTAL OPERATIONS.
UH, SO THE LIGHTER TRAINING AND PISTON AIRCRAFT THAT GENERATE THE LARGEST SHARE OF OPERATIONS WOULD GENERALLY FALL BELOW THE THRESHOLD AND PAY NOTHING.
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UH, THAT'S NOT TO SAY THAT, UH, LONG BEACH WOULD REQUIRE BE REQUIRED TO ADOPT THESE EXEMPTIONS.UH, THE CITY COULD CERTAINLY CONSIDER A DIFFERENT STRUCTURE.
UH, BUT THE CONSIDERATION IS THIS, UH, EVERY CHOICE ABOUT WHO IS CHARGED AND WHO IS EXEMPTED IS A LINE THAT HAS TO BE JUSTIFIED ON A COST BASIS, AND IT, AND IT EXPANDS A UNIVERSE OF USERS, UH, WHO MAY HAVE STANDING TO CHALLENGE IT.
IT'S ALSO FAIR TO NOTE THAT THE GA INDUSTRY AND ITS USER AND INTEREST GROUPS HAVE A STRONG INCENTIVE NOT TO LET PRECEDENTS BECOME ESTABLISHED BECAUSE THEY VIEW THESE DECISIONS AS HAVING NATIONAL IMPLICATIONS, NOT MERELY LOCAL ONES.
UH, I'M NOT IN A POSITION TO SPECULATE ABOUT THE LIKELIHOOD OF ANY PARTICULAR CHALLENGE HERE, BUT I'LL SIMPLY, UH, SIMPLY WANT TO NOTE THAT THERE IS, UH, ACTIVE LITIGATION AND THERE ARE ACTIVE FAA COMPLAINTS THAT OTHER AIRPORTS THAT THE INDUSTRY, THE GA INDUSTRY IS INVESTED IN.
UH, AND, UH, THAT WILL BE COVERED, UH, IN THE NEXT SECTION.
UM, AND SECTION FIVE WILL BE COVERED BY DEPUTY CITY ATTORNEY MARSHA YDA.
I'M MARCIA YDA, DEPUTY CITY ATTORNEY, THE LONG BEACH CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, AND I'M GOING TO DISCUSS, UH, CURRENT EXAMPLES OF GENERAL AVIATION LANDING FEES IMPLEMENTED AT OTHER AIRPORTS, OR BE ATTEMPTED TO BE IMPLEMENTED AT OTHER AIRPORTS.
UM, WE'RE GONNA START WITH VAN NUYS AIRPORT.
UH, THE LOS ANGELES WORLD AIRPORTS, OR AWA, PROPOSE NEW LANDING FEES FOR GENERAL AVIATION OPERATIONS AT THE VAN NUYS AIRPORT IN 2025.
AND THE BOARD OF AIRPORT COMMISSIONERS APPROVED THESE RATES AND CHARGES EARLIER THIS YEAR, WHILE FUEL FLOWAGE FEES WERE BEING CHARGED AT VAN NUYS AIRPORT, THE REVENUES DID NOT FULLY RECOVER AIR-FILLED COSTS, AND THE AIRPORT WAS OPERATING AT AN ANNUAL NET LOSS.
VAN NUYS AIRPORT RELIES ON A SUBSIDY FROM LOS ANGELES INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT TO COVER THESE COSTS.
UH, AWA DID NOT PREVIOUSLY SEEK TO CHARGE GA LANDING FEES BECAUSE THE COST TO ADMINISTER ADMINISTER SUCH FEES WAS NOT FEASIBLE.
HOWEVER, CURRENT TECHNOLOGY HAS MADE THIRD PARTY ADMINISTRATION VIABLE, AND ACCORDINGLY, THE GA LANDING FEES WERE PROPOSED IN ORDER TO MAKE VAN NUYS AIRPORT AS SELF-SUFFICIENT AS POSSIBLE.
OF NOTE, UH, VAN NUYS AIRPORT IS A GENERAL AVIATION AIRPORT, UNLIKE LONG BEACH AIRPORT, WHICH HAS BOTH COMMERCIAL AND GENERAL AVIATION OPERATIONS.
IN OTHER WORDS, AT VAN NUYS AIRPORT, AIRFIELD WEAR AND TEAR IS NOT PRIMARILY CAUSED BY COMMERCIAL AIRCRAFT AS AT LONG BEACH AIRPORT.
SO, ALTHOUGH WAWA WORKED WITH STAKEHOLDERS ON THE GENERAL AVIATION LANDING FEES, A PART 13 COMPLAINT WAS NEVERTHELESS FILED, CHALLENGING THE LANDING FEES AT VAN NUYS AIRPORT.
AND IF, UM, FOR BACKGROUND, A PART 13 COMPLAINT IS AN OFFICIAL WAY FOR SOMEONE TO FILE AN INFORMAL COMPLAINT WITH THE FAA OF PERCEIVED VIOLATIONS OF AIRPORT GRANT ASSURANCES OR AVIATION RULES.
THE FAA WILL INVESTIGATE THE ALLEGATIONS AND SEEK COMPLIANCE IF A VIOLATION IS SUBSTANTIATED.
AND REMEDIES INCLUDING WITHHOLDING CONSIDERATION OF GRANTS OR WITHHOLDING OF FUNDS, MIGHT BE TAKEN IN THE PART 13 COMPLAINT AGAINST THE VAN NUYS AIRPORT.
UM, COMPLAINANTS ALLEGED THE FEES WERE ADOPTED THROUGH A FLAWED IN NON-TRANSPARENT PROCESS THAT MAY VIOLATE FAA GRANT ASSURANCES AND POLICIES.
UH, NEXT, MOVING ON TO ARIZONA AIRPORTS, SPECIFICALLY FALCON FIELD AIRPORT IN MESA, ARIZONA, AND MESA GATEWAY AIRPORT, ALSO IN A MESA, ARIZONA, UH, FALCON FIELD AIRPORT IS LOCATED IN MESA, A ARIZONA AND IS A GENERAL AVIATION AIRPORT.
ON MARCH 23RD, 2026, MESA CITY COUNCIL APPROVED, UH, NEW LANDING FEES AT FALCON FIELD FOR CERTAIN, UH, GA AIRCRAFT.
UH, SPECIFICALLY AIRCRAFT WEIGHING LESS THAN 6,000 POUNDS FEES WERE IMPLEMENTED TO OFFSET A BUDGET SHORTFALL.
TWO MAJOR FLIGHT SCHOOLS FILED BOTH, UH, PART 13 COMPLAINTS AND A FEDERAL LAWSUIT TO BLOCK THE LANDING FEES.
UH, EARLIER THIS WEEK, A JUDGE REFUSED TO BLOCK THE LANDING FEES AND THE FLIGHT SCHOOLS ARE WEIGHING THEIR LEGAL OPTIONS IN TERMS OF WHETHER OR NOT TO APPEAL THIS DECISION.
UH, THE MESA GATEWAY AIRPORT AUTHORITY, WHICH OWNS AND OPERATES MESA GATEWAY AIRPORT, WHICH IS ANOTHER AIRPORT LOCATED IN IN MESA, ARIZONA, UH, WHICH SUPPORTS BOTH COMMERCIAL AND GA OPERATIONS PLAN TO BEGIN CHARGING LANDING FEES ON CERTAIN GA AIRCRAFT STARTING IN MAY OF THIS YEAR.
UH, MESA GATEWAY STATED IT USES NON-AIR FIELD REV REVENUE TO SUBSIDIZE OPERATING DEFICIENCIES IN ITS AIRFIELD COST CENTER.
MESA GATEWAY HAD BEEN CHARGING FEES
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FOR LARGER COMMERCIAL AIRCRAFT, AND THE NEW FEES WOULD APPLY TO ITINERANT AIRCRAFT WEIGHING LESS THAN 12,500 POUNDS.THESE FEES, HOWEVER, WERE NOT IMPLEMENTED AND SUSPENDED UNTIL FALCON FIELD COULD SUCCESSFULLY IMPLEMENT ITS CONTESTED PROGRAM.
AND, UH, MESA GATEWAY HAS NOT TO OUR KNOWLEDGE, TAKEN ANY ACTION, UH, BASED ON THE RECENT RULING IN THE FALCON FIELD FEDERAL CASE.
UH, JUST SO YOU KNOW, THE FALCON FIELD FEDERAL CASE, THE JUDGE'S RULING ON THAT CAME OUT, UH, JULY 13TH, SO JUST A FEW DAYS AGO.
UM, AND ALSO OF NOTE, THE PART 13 COMPLAINTS THAT, UM, CHALLENGING FALCON FIELD'S LANDING FEES FOR GENERAL AVIATION WITH THE FAA HAVE NOT YET BEEN RESOLVED.
UM, SO IT SHOULD ALSO BE NOTED THAT, UH, MESA GATEWAY HAS BOTH COMMERCIAL AND GENERAL AV O GENERAL AVIATION OPERATIONS, UNLIKE FALCON FIELD, WHICH IS GA AIRPORT.
SO IT'S UNCLEAR HOW THEY, WHETHER OR NOT THEY WILL PROCEED WITH THEIR GENERAL AVIATION LANDING FEES.
NEXT, MOVING ON TO PALM SPRINGS.
UM, PALM SPRINGS, UH, HAS BOTH COMMERCIAL AND GA AIRCRAFT OPERATIONS.
UM, THEIR AIRPORT COMMISSION RECENTLY INQUIRED AS TO WHY THEIR AIRPORT DOES NOT CHARGE LANDING FEES FOR GA AIRCRAFT.
AND A THOROUGH REVIEW OF THE MATTER WAS CONDUCTED AND IT WAS DETERMINED THAT SUCH FEES WOULD GENERATE LITTLE TO NO NEW REVENUE AND WOULD ADD SIGNIFICANT ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS.
UM, THE COMMISSION IS CURRENTLY STILL WEIGHING ITS OPTIONS, BUT IT WAS RECOMMENDED THAT THEY DEFER THE IMPLEMENTATION OF SUCH FEES AT THIS TIME.
NEXT, UH, JOHN WAYNE AIRPORT, UM, SIMILAR TO LONG BEACH AIRPORT, JOHN WAYNE SUPPORTS BOTH COMMERCIAL AND GENERAL AVIATION OPERATIONS.
ALSO SIMILAR TO LONG BEACH AIRPORT, IT HAS A GRANDFATHERED NOISE ORDINANCE, WHICH IT SEEKS TO PROTECT, AND JOHN WAYNE DOES NOT HAVE, UM, OR IMPLEMENT, HAS NOT IMPLEMENTED ANY GENERAL AVIATION LANDING FEES.
AND THAT CONCLUDES MY PORTION OF THE PRESENTATION.
ALNA TURN OVER TO MONI TO SUMMARIZE AND CLOSE OUT THIS PRESENTATION.
UM, SO ON SLIDE 17, WE WRAP UP THE PRESENTATION WITH A SUMMARY OF THE KEY POINTS.
ONE, THE DRIVER FOR THE FEE CANNOT BE REDUCING OPERATIONS OR REDUCING NOISE.
A GA FEE AIMED AT REDUCING ACTIVITY IS UNJUSTLY DISCRIMINATORY AND COULD EVEN JEOPARDIZE THE AIRPORT'S GRANDFATHERED NOISE ORDINANCE.
TWO, THERE IS NO FAA APPROVAL NEEDED WHEN DEVELOPING AND IMPLEMENTING GA LANDING FEES, BUT FULL COMPLIANCE OF ALL FEDERAL REGULATION IS STILL REQUIRED.
IN OTHER WORDS, CHARGING GA USERS DOES NOT REQUIRE FAA SIGN OFF.
HOWEVER, IT MUST SATISFY EVERY GRANT ASSURANCE AND THE RATES AND CHARGES.
THREE, THE AIRPORT RECOVERS AIRFIELD COSTS AS EXPLAINED IN DETAIL IN THE PREVIOUS SLIDES, AIRLINE LANDING FEES AND GA FUEL FLOWAGE FEES ALREADY FUND THE AIRFIELD.
AND GA USERS ALSO GENERATE REVENUES FROM AERONAUTICAL GROUND LEASES AND OTHER CHARGES FOR GA LANDING FEES WOULD NOT RAISE NET NEW MONEY.
SINCE THE AIRPORT RECOVERS AIRFIELD COSTS ALREADY, THEN REVENUES FROM A GA LANDING FEE WOULD ONLY SUPPLANT EXISTING REVENUE SOURCES THAT SUFFICIENTLY COVER AIRFIELD COSTS.
THE FEE ALSO WILL LIKELY EXEMPT MOST AIR SMALL AIRCRAFT WHILE ADDING COST AND ADMINISTRATIVE BURDEN FOR THE AIRPORT.
THERE HAVE BEEN INSIGHTS FROM RECENT EXAMPLES IN THE INDUSTRY.
OTHER AIRPORTS ARE GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS RIGHT NOW.
LEGAL CHALLENGES AND FAA REVIEW OF COMPLAINTS ARE STILL ONGOING.
AND THAT CONCLUDES THIS PRESENTATION.
THANK YOU STAFF FOR THE PRESENTATION.
BEFORE I OPEN IT TO THE PUBLIC, I'M GONNA LOOK TO MY RIGHT AND LEFT HERE TO MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS TO SEE IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS OR CLARIFICATIONS YOU'D LIKE FROM THE REPORT BEFORE WE OPEN IT UP TO THE PUBLIC.
I'D LIKE TO THANK THE, UH, UH, AIRPORT STAFF FOR, UH, UH, CREATING THIS REPORT AND DOING THE, UH, DUE DILIGENCE TO, UH, RESEARCH IT AND TO REPORT ON IT SO FAIRLY, AND THAT INCLUDES THE CITY STAFF THAT HAS TAKEN GREAT TIME TO TAKE A LOOK AT ALL THE POSSIBLE ALTERNATIVES.
AND I'D JUST LIKE TO, UH, TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO THANK THEM FOR ALL THEIR HARD WORK, AND I THINK THEY DID A VERY FAIR JOB WITH US.
I JUST WANTED TO, UM, NOTE IN THE, I THINK THIS WAS THE VERY FIRST SLIDE WAS CAN LONG BEACH AIRPORT CHARGE GENERAL AVIATION AIRCRAFT A LANDING FEE? AND IT SAID YES, BUT ONLY ON COST RECOVERY GROUNDS AND NOT FOR THE PURPOSES OF REDUCING
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NOISE OR OPERATIONS.UM, HAS THAT BEEN LOOKED AT OR REVIEWED THE IDEA THAT IT COULD BE DONE, BUT IT WOULD REDUCE THE, THE, UM, NUMBER ONE, YOU'D BE BE REDUCING REVENUE ON ONE SIDE, BUT GETTING IT FROM THE LANDING FEES? AM I CORRECT ON THAT? YES.
SO THAT THERE, THERE WOULD HAVE TO BE THE BALANCE AND IT WOULD NOT BE FOR THE PURPOSE OF REDUCING NOISE OR OPERATIONS.
YOU SH THE IT SHOULD NOT BE DONE FOR THE PURPOSES OF REDUCING NOISE OR OPERATIONS.
ANY OTHERS? COMMISSIONER ARE, YES.
UM, I'M, I'M LOOKING AT THE, A COUPLE THINGS UNDER THE PERMISSION PERMISSIBLE BASIS.
UM, THE, LET'S SEE, PAGE DON'T HAVE MY GLASSES.
PAGE SEVEN OR SLIDE NUMBER SEVEN, NOISE CANNOT BE THE REASON FOR A FEE, THE PERMISSIBLE BASIS HERE.
UM, THE LAST BULLET, A FAIR APPROXIMATION OF EACH USER'S USE OF THE FACILITIES CURRENTLY, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, CURRENTLY MOST GENERAL AVIATION AIRCRAFT PAY FUEL FLOWAGE FEES.
UH, FUEL FLOWAGE FEES ARE COLLECTED FROM GA USERS.
BUT THEY DON'T PAY, THEY WOULDN'T, IF WE IMPLEMENTED, UM, LANDING FEES, THEY WOULDN'T PAY LANDING FEES AS OUR FORMULA EXISTS CURRENTLY, BECAUSE MOST OF THEM ARE SMALL, UH, THEY WEIGH LESS THAN 2,500 POUNDS.
A AS OF RIGHT NOW, THE LANDING FEES DON'T APPLY TO GA USERS.
THEY PAY THE FUEL FLOWAGE FEE.
UH, IF GA LANDING FEES WERE IMPLEMENTED FOR, UH, GA USERS, DEPENDING ON THE METHODOLOGY THAT'S ADOPTED, THERE COULD BE A THRESHOLD THAT'S SET WHERE SMALLER AIRCRAFT WOULD BE EXEMPTED FROM THE FEE.
SO THEY THEY WOULD BE EXEMPTED AND WOULDN'T PAY ANYTHING.
IF THEY WERE EXEMPTED, YES, THEY WOULD NOT PAY THE FEE.
HOWEVER, THE, THE WEIGHT LIMITS, THE, UM, THE WEIGHT LIMITS, UH, CURRENTLY COULD BE MODIFIED.
IS THAT SOMETHING WITHIN OUR PURVIEW AS AS AN AIRPORT? UH, YES.
AND, AND JUST TO CLARIFY ONE THING, IT IS, IT IS, UH, ENTIRELY ALLOWED TO CHARGE BOTH FUEL FLOWAGE FEES AND LANDING FEES.
UM, IF YOU THINK ABOUT A FORMULA BASED APPROACH TO A LANDING FEE, WHICH IS WHAT WE DO IN THE INDUSTRY, UM, IT'S, IT'S REALLY A THREE STEP PROCESS.
YOU ADD UP ALL OF THE COST, YOU CREDIT REVENUES, OTHER REVENUES THAT ARE COMING FROM THE AIRFIELD, BECAUSE REMEMBER, YOU CAN'T GENERATE A SURPLUS.
SO YOU REDUCE THE COST ONE FOR ONE BY THE OTHER REVENUES IN THE COST CENTER, AND THEN YOU DIVIDE BY LANDED WEIGHT.
SO AS LONG AS WHATEVER FUEL FLOWAGE FEES THAT WE WERE COLLECTING WEREN'T INCLUDED AS A CREDIT, AS AN OFFSET AGAINST THOSE COSTS, YOU WOULD STILL BE ALLOWED TO CHARGE A FUEL FLOWAGE FEE, AND THAT WOULD APPLY TO AIRCRAFT OF ALL, UH, UH, UH, SIZES.
SO IT, IT, THE, THE GA USERS BELOW 12,500 POUNDS IN THE INDUSTRY, THE, THE COMMON INDUSTRY STANDARD WOULD STILL BE PAYING THOSE FUEL FLOWAGE FEES.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT POINT.
SO I, I GUESS MY QUESTION THEN WAS WITH OUR CURRENT FORMULA, ARE WE, ARE WE EQUITABLE? ARE WE, ARE WE CHARGING ALL USERS BASED ON THEIR USE? UH, WELL, UM, YES.
WELL, FROM THE, LET, LET 'EM FINISH PEOPLE, LET 'EM FINISH.
UH, FROM, FROM THE, THE, THE FEDERAL STANDARD IS, IS WHAT I'M, UH, RESPONDING TO THE FEDERAL STANDARD IS THAT SIMILARLY, UH, SITUATED USERS ARE SUBJECT TO THE SAME FEE.
BY THAT STANDARD, YOU ARE BEING EQUITABLE.
WOULD YOU REPEAT THAT? SO, UH, WHETHER YOU'RE SOUTHWEST OR YOU'RE DELTA OR HAWAIIAN OR ALASKA, YOU'RE PAYING THE SAME LANDING FEE.
SO THE AIRLINES ARE SUBJECT TO THE SAME LANDING FEE.
YOU'RE NOT GIVING ANYONE PREFERENTIAL TREATMENT.
YOU'RE NOT TRYING TO RESTRICT OPERATIONS FROM ANY AIRLINE.
UH, EVERYBODY'S BEING CHARGED THE SAME FEE.
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UH, THE GA USERS ARE ALL SUBJECT TO THE SAME FUEL FLOWAGE FEE.THAT FUEL FLOWAGE FEE HAS INCREASED OVER TIME IN PARALLEL WITH THE INCREASE IN THE LANDING FEE RATE, UH, TO RECOVER, UH, TO RECOVER COST.
UH, IF YOU WANT TO, UH, I'M JUST SPEAKING FROM THE FEDERAL, THE FA, A LIKE VIEW OF, OF WHAT IT MEANS TO BE EQUITABLE.
SO WE'RE EQUITABLE WITHIN THE CLASS, MORE OR LESS.
I THINK THOSE ARE MY QUESTIONS FOR NOW.
COMMISSIONER LARSON? YEAH, JUST LOOKING FOR SOME CLARITY.
I THINK ONE OF THE STATEMENTS EARLIER WERE THAT THE COMMERCIAL AIRCRAFT WERE AGAINST, UM, ADDING LANDING FEES TO THE GA BECAUSE THEIR COSTS WOULD GO UP.
I'M ASSUMING THAT'S DUE TO THIRD PARTY ADMINISTRATION, OR WOULD YOU CLARIFY WHY, PLEASE? YEAH, SO, UH, FIRST OFF, THAT IS NOT LONG BEACH.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE THAT CLEAR FOR THE RECORD.
BUT AGAIN, IF YOU THINK OF THIS LANDING FEE CALCULATION METHODOLOGY, THAT IS, IT'S CALLED RESIDUAL BECAUSE YOU RECOVER THE, UH, COST, THE NET COST AFTER APPLYING REVENUE CREDITS, UM, THAT, UM, YOU WOULD, IF YOU IMPLEMENTED THE, THESE NEW TECHNOLOGIES, YOU SEE THIRD PARTY VENDORS, YOU WOULD PUT THAT COST, YOU WOULD ADD THAT COST, UH, TO, TO THE, TO THE AIRFIELD COST.
AND, UH, IN SOME, FROM THE AIRLINE PERSPECTIVE, UH, UH, JUST ABSENT THOSE ADDITIONAL COSTS, OF COURSE, THEY WOULD BE HAPPY TO, TO HAVE A LOWER LANDING FEE BECAUSE ADDITIONAL, UM, UH, ADDITIONAL PAYMENTS ARE MADE BY THE GA USERS.
BUT IN, IN, UH, SEVERAL CASES THAT I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN THE PROJECTED, UH, UH, THE COST ASSOCIATED WITH THE SYSTEM OUTWEIGHS, UH, THE REVENUES THAT WOULD BE PAID BY THE GA OPERATIONS SUBJECT TO THAT FEE.
AND SO THEREFORE, THE AIRLINES SAY, DON'T CHARGE THEM ANYTHING BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO END UP RAISING OUR COSTS.
SO IF, IF, IF YOUR ARGUMENT AIRPORT TO US IS THAT THIS WILL BENEFIT YOU WITH REDUCED COST, UH, THEN, UM, UH, WE WOULD NOT PREFER THAT YOU IMPLEMENT THE, THE TRACKING.
THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER QUERO.
UM, A COUPLE QUESTIONS TO FOLLOW UP ON THE FEES.
IT'S, IT, TO ME, IT'S NOT MAPPING OUT IN MY HEAD HOW THE INCREASE, HOW THESE LANDING FEES WOULD INCREASE COMMERCIAL.
SO I THINK IF WE, WHEN WE DO COME BACK, IF WE CAN GET A BREAKDOWN ON HOW THAT ACTUALLY WORKS, BECAUSE IN MY HEAD IT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME.
SO MAYBE SOME MORE DETAIL FROM THE CONSULTANT, UM, ON THAT ONE.
I, I, I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T, UH, FOLLOW THE, THE QUESTION.
SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT THE COMMERCIAL AIR AIRLINES LANDING FEES WILL INCREASE IF GA HAS LANDING FEES? NO, NO, NO.
I'M, I'M, I'M, I'M NOT SAYING THAT, I'M JUST SAYING, UH, IT'S, IT'S ALL, UH, IT'S, IT'S JUST MATH.
UH, SO LIKE AT AN AIRPORT THAT DOESN'T HAVE, UH, AS LARGE OF A SHARE OF GA TRAFFIC, UH, AS LONG BEACH DOES, UH, IF YOU'RE NOT GENERATING, IF YOU'RE, IF YOU HAVE TO IMPLEMENT A SYSTEM, UH, TO, AND, AND INCUR THE COST ASSOCIATED WITH THAT SYSTEM TO BILL A SUBSET, A SUBSET OF USERS, THOSE GA USERS AND THOSE COSTS OUTWEIGH WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO, UM, UH, PAY IN REVENUES, THOSE COSTS UNDER THIS FORMULA WOULD, UH, WOULD THEN BE PAID BY THE AIRLINES.
SO UNDER CER CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES, YES, IMPLEMENTING ONE OF THESE SYSTEMS COULD RESULT IN AN INCREASE IN AIRLINE USE FEES.
I'M NOT SAYING THAT THAT'S THE CASE IN LONG BEACH BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THIS IS, WE'RE WE'RE JUST PRESENTING THE CON CONCEPTUAL, SO THERE ISN'T ANY PROPOSAL ON THE TABLE.
SO IT'S A, IT'S A, THAT YOU CAN DO THE FINANCIAL ANALYSIS FOR.
IT'S JUST A GENERAL BROAD STATEMENT BASED ON YES.
AND IT DOES, IT DOESN'T APPLY AT EVERY AIRPORT.
AGAIN, IT'S BETWEEN THE MIX, THE MIX OF GA ACTIVITY WITH, WITH AIRLINE TRAFFIC.
I HAVE QUITE A FEW, UM, NOT FROM THE CONSULTANT.
UM, THERE WAS A, A MENTION OF THE COST OF ADMINISTRATIVE BURDEN WOULD INCREASE.
AND HELP ME UNDERSTAND, IF WE DO INCREASE A COST, ADMINISTRATIVE COST, WOULDN'T THAT BE COVERED BY THE, THE GA FEE? I MEAN, IT, I I, SINCE WE ARE THE OPERATION OPEX AND THE CAPEX AND ALL THAT OTHER FUN STUFF IS GONNA INCREASE Y YES.
AND I THINK THAT THE AIRPORT WOULD ABSOLUTELY WANT TO RECOVER A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE ADDITIONAL ADMINISTRATIVE COST ASSOCIATED WITH THE, OKAY.
SO THAT STATEMENT'S A LITTLE, YEAH, VAGUE.
I, THE OTHER, I, I THINK, UM, WHEN I SAY ADMINISTRATIVE COST, IT ALSO APPLIES TO THOSE SYSTEM COSTS.
SO IT'S THE SAME POINT AS BEFORE.
BUT WOULD ASSISTANCE'S COST BE RECOVERED BY A GA INCREASE SINCE IT WOULD BE A CAPITAL EXPENSE? UH, SO JUST LIKE, YOU WOULD HAVE TO BE EQUITABLE.
YOU'D NEED TO, YOU'D, YOU'D WANT TO CHARGE THE GA USERS
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THE SAME LANDING FEE RATE AS THE AIRLINES.UH, AND SO THE COST WOULD BE SPREAD BETWEEN THE AIRLINES AND BETWEEN THE GA USERS AND THE AIRLINES WOULD BE INDIFFERENT AS LONG AS, UH, THE COST THAT YOU'RE PAYING FOR THE SYSTEM ARE, UM, ARE, UM, UH, LESS THAN THE REVENUES THAT YOU ARE RECEIVING FROM GA TRAFFIC.
SO IT'S A, THE COST WOULD BE SPREAD BASED ON CAPITAL DEPRECIATION OF THAT SOFTWARE BEING, YOU KNOW, YES.
PURCHASED AND THE OPERATING CONTRACT WOULD BE ONGOING BASED ON A AFTERWARDS.
AND THEN THEY HAVE THIRD PARTY BILLING SYSTEMS, SO THEIR FEES FOR, FOR THAT, AND THOSE FEES WOULD BE COVERED BY THE G LANDING FEES AND OTHER LANDING FEES? IT WOULD ABSOLUTELY BE ALLOWABLE.
TO BE RECOVERED THROUGH THE LANDING FEE.
UM, SO ON, JUST GETTING BACK TO SOME OF THE OTHER QUESTIONS I HAD HERE.
SO THE LANDING FEE AND FUEL CHARGES, WOULD THEY BE SEPARATE, SO SEPARATE CHARGES, OR ARE THEY ONE BILL THAT THE GA WOULD GET? UH, UM, THE, UH, AGAIN, THIS, THIS IS A CONCEPTUAL PRESENTATION, SO THERE'S NOT OKAY.
UH, ANY PROPOSAL ON THE TABLE, BUT THE AIRPORT WOULD ABSOLUTELY BE ABLE TO CONTINUE CHARGING FUEL FLOWAGE FEES TO ALL USERS.
IT WOULD JUST HAVE THE OBLIGATION TO CREDIT IT AND THE LANDING FEE RATE CALCULATION.
SO ANY FUEL FLOWAGE FEES WOULD REDUCE THE LANDING FEE REQUIREMENT OR THE, THE AMOUNT REQUIRED TO BE COLLECTED THROUGH LANDING FEES.
AND SO WHEN WE GET INTO THE NITTY GRITTY OF THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THIS, WE'LL SUSS OUT, UH, THE, HOW'S WE'RE GONNA DO THIS, WHETHER THE AIRPORT'S GONNA RECOVER AT THIRD PARTY OR FBO, IS THAT, IS THAT CORRECT? UM, YES.
THE FBOS COLLECT THE FUEL FLOWAGE FEES, RIGHT? UH, CORRECT.
RIGHT NOW AS IT STANDS, UH, FBOS REMIT THE FUEL FLOWAGE FEES TO THE AIRPORT BASED ON THE FUELS THAT THEY SELL.
AND A LANDING FEE WOULD BE SEPARATE, NOT COLLECTED BY THE FBO, DEPENDING ON HOW THE LANDING FEES WOULD BE ADMINISTERED, IT COULD BE ADMINISTERED DIFFERENT WAYS, AND IT'S BEEN PRACTICED DIFFERENT WAYS AT OTHER AIRPORTS.
UM, JUST A COUPLE MORE QUESTIONS.
UM, WHAT'S CONSIDERED A LANDING, I'M SORRY, WHAT IS CONSIDERED A LANDING? WHERE WOULD A FEE BE INITIATED? UM, I MEAN, I GUESS I, I MEAN WITHOUT HAVING THE FA, A MANUAL HERE OF WHAT A, A LANDING IS, BUT BASICALLY A, AN ARRIVAL ON A RUNWAY.
SO ANYTIME, UH, AIRCRAFT'S WHEELS TOUCH THE GROUND, UM, I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE GETTING AT HERE.
WHETHER IT'S A, A TOUCH AND GO OR NOT.
I DON'T, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW, BASED OFF OF YOUR, YOUR
SO, UH, THE, THE, YOU, YOU CHARGE ANYONE OPERATING THE SAME.
IF IT APPLIES TO A TOUCH AND GO, IT APPLIES TO EVERYONE DOING A TOUCH AND GO.
BUT, UM, I SEEM TO RECALL THAT ONE OF THESE RECENT CASES, UM, MARSHA, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU REMEMBER, UH, SPEC THE COMPLAINANTS REALLY FOCUSED ON THE FACT THAT THE LANDING FEES APPLIED TO TOUCH AND GO OPERATIONS.
UH, DOES THAT RING A BELL WITH YOU? NO.
OR, OR TOUCH BACKS OR ANY OF THOSE OTHER YEAH.
UM, NEXT COUPLE QUESTIONS HERE.
SO, UH, WHAT I SAW WAS THAT THE COMMERCIAL FEES ARE LOOKED AT EVERY YEAR.
WOULD THAT JUST BE THE SAME PROCESS FOR GENERAL AVIATION? YES.
UH, IT IS REVIEWED ANNUALLY AND, UM, ACTUALLY COULD INCUR, UH, OCCUR MUCH MORE FREQUENT THAN THAT DEPENDING ON HOW THE MARKETING CONDITIONS ARE OCCURRING FOR THE AIRPORT.
AND THAT'S BASED ON THE COST OF DOING BUSINESS AT THE AIRPORT ANNUALLY? CORRECT.
BOTH CAPITAL AND OPERATIONAL COST? YES.
UM, WHEN WILL, YOU KNOW IF THIS IS APPROVED, WHEN WILL THE FINAL PROCESS BE PRESENTED AND WILL THE PUBLIC HAVE A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THIS BEFORE IT GOES, UH, GOES INTO OPERATIONS COMMISSIONER AT THIS TIME, WE'RE JUST PRESENTING THE INFORMATION.
UM, THERE'S NO, UH, ADDITIONAL ANALYSIS AT THIS TIME, BUT WE'RE JUST PROVIDING THE INFORMATION AS REQUESTED BY THE COUNCILWOMAN.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME, MR. AZAR.
BASED ON YOUR KNOWLEDGE ABOUT THE LAWS REGARDING THIS, UH, FEES AND SO
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FORTH, WHAT WOULD BE THE LIKELIHOOD OF THE AIRPORT HAVING A LAWSUIT FILED BY ONE OF THE GENERAL AVIATION, UM, GROUPS? COULD THAT BE A POSSIBILITY? WELL, IT'S ABSOLUTELY A POSSIBILITY, BUT I THINK IT LARGELY DEPENDS ON, UM, HOW WE IMPLEMENTED THE GA FEES.AND SINCE THIS IS ALL THEORETICAL RIGHT NOW, IT'S HARD TO SAY WHETHER OR NOT, UM, THERE WOULD BE A CHALLENGE, BUT THERE, THERE LIKELY WOULD.
UM, IT BASED ON THE CASE STUDIES THAT I HAD PRESENTED, UM, IT WAS, UH, SIMILAR IDEAS IN THE SENSE THAT THERE WERE DEFICITS AT THE AIRPORTS, UH, THAT IMPLEMENTED THE FEES.
UM, BUT THEY NEVERTHELESS HAVE BEEN CHALLENGED.
SO I THINK YOU COULD, UM, EXPECT OR ANTICIPATE A CHALLENGE PERHAPS FROM EITHER GENERAL AVIATION OR COMMERCIAL OPERATIONS DEPENDING ON, UM, WHAT GA LANDING FEES ARE IMPLEMENTED OR NOT IMPLEMENTED.
I HAVE, I HAVE ONE, ONE MORE QUESTION THAT I'M GONNA APOLOGIZE FOR AHEAD OF TIME, BUT DO, UM, DO GA AIRCRAFT EVER COME ON A FULL TANK
SO AIRCRAFT COME FROM OTHER LOCATIONS.
IF THEY'RE NOT NEEDING FUEL, THEY WON'T FUEL AT LONG BEACH AIRPORT.
UM, AND SO WE DON'T COLLECT THAT FUEL FLOWAGE FEED DURING THAT TIME.
IF THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION.
I'M SEEING NO OTHER QUESTIONS.
SO WE'LL BRING IT TO THE PUBLIC.
AS I ANNOUNCED EARLIER, I HAVE SPEAKER CARDS, SO I'M NOT GONNA FORCE YOU ALL THE LINE UP.
I WILL CALL YOU UP ONE AT A TIME BASED ON THE NAMES THAT I HAVE HERE.
WE DO HAVE QUITE A FEW OF THESE.
SO OUT OF COURTESY TO EVERYBODY IN THE ROOM, IF YOU WOULD LIMIT YOUR ITEM TO THREE MINUTES PLEASE.
'CAUSE OTHERWISE WE'LL BE HERE TILL THE FINAL SOCCER GAME PLAYS ON SUNDAY, AND I DON'T WANNA BE HERE THAT LONG.
UM, ALSO WHAT WE'LL DO IS, UH, I'M SURE A LOT OF THE COMMENTS WILL CONSIST OF QUESTIONS SIMILAR TO WHAT WE HEARD HERE ON THE DIOCESE.
UM, WE WILL RECORD YOUR QUESTIONS AND WE'LL DEAL WITH THEM AT THE END.
OTHERWISE, WE END UP WITH A BACK AND FORTH THAT'LL TAKE US FOREVER.
SO, UH, OR WE'RE NOT IGNORING YOU, IF YOU COME UP AND YOU SPEAK TO US ON A QUESTION, UM, WE ARE NOTING IT, WE'RE NOT IGNORING YOU.
WE'LL DEAL WITH THAT AT THE END.
SO WITH THAT IN ORDER, I'LL BRING UP THE FIRST PERSON.
JILL PEARSON, YOU'RE FIRST NUMBER ONE.
UH, I HAD TO REWRITE MY NOTES BASED ON THE PRESENTATION, SO EXCUSE, I'M THERE.
BUT FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK AND FOR HOLDING THIS HEARING.
I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT IN WRIGLEY FROM FOUR MILES FROM THE END OF A RUNWAY, A MILE SOUTH OF THE RUNWAY.
I'VE BEEN GREATLY IMPACTED BY THE INCREASE IN FLIGHT SCHOOLS FROM SIX SCHOOLS WHEN I BOUGHT THE HOUSE SEVEN YEARS AGO TO 19.
I KNOW NOISE ABATEMENT IS NOT ON THE TABLE FOR THIS, BUT IT IS THE BIG DOG IN THE ROOM, AS WE ALL KNOW.
THAT'S WHY HALF THE PEOPLE ARE HERE TO REGISTER THEIR CONCERNS.
UM, I WOULD URGE YOU TO LOOK AT THIS AND CONSIDER EXEMPTING PRIVATE PILOTS FOR MANY LANDING FEES.
BUT YOU'VE GOTTA LOOK AT THE 19 FLIGHT SCHOOLS NOW OPERATING OUT OF THE AIRPORT.
MANY OF THEM HAVE COME IN THE LAST FIVE OR SIX YEARS BECAUSE IT'S THE WILD WEST IN THE LONG BEACH AIRPORT.
WHAT IS GOING ON? THEY AREN'T PAYING LANDING FEES.
WITH ALL RESPECT TO JUSTIN, THE NOISE ABATEMENT IS A JOKE.
I'M A MILE SOUTH OF ANY RUNWAY.
I'M, THEY'RE FLYING 600 FEET OVER MY HOUSE LIKE F*****G LAWNMOWERS DAY AND NIGHT.
THEY FLY 12 HOURS A DAY LONG INTO THE NIGHT.
THIS ISN'T THE PRIVATE PILOTS.
THE, WHEN I LOOKED AT MY HOUSE AND WE WALKED AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD, PRIVATE PLANE PILOT, AIR, AIR FLIGHTS WERE, WERE MINIMAL.
YOU KNOW, UH, IT'S NOT THE ISSUE.
IT'S THE FLIGHT SCHOOLS AND THEY'RE COMING HERE 'CAUSE THEY CAN GET AWAY WITH THIS.
I UNDERSTAND THE FAA IS RESTRICTING THINGS.
THAT'S WHY WE'VE LOST OUR LAWSUITS AGAINST THE CITY.
BUT THIS IS AN ISSUE THAT WON'T GO AWAY.
THE AIRPORT IS LOSING THE PUBLIC.
EVERY DAY THESE PLANES FLY OVER OUR HEADS.
MORE AND MORE PEOPLE TURN AGAINST THE IDEA OF A LONG BEACH AIRPORT.
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YOU CAN, HOW YOU CAN SOLVE THIS.THE FAA ONE THING IF YOU CHARGE PILOTS, THE FLIGHT SCHOOL PILOTS LANDING FEES, THAT WOULD CUT OUT THE NEED TO KEEP SUCKING ON THE FAA KIT BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT'S STOPPING US FROM REGULATING THESE GUYS.
UM, OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS ERIC HIJAS.
AND THANK YOU FOR THE PRONUNCIATION.
I'M A PILOT AND FLIGHT INSTRUCTOR, NOT ACTIVE, BUT I HAVE THE LICENSE IN MY POCKET.
UM, I LEARNED TO FLY 15 YEARS AGO AT LONG BEACH AIRPORT.
AND IF YOU'RE WONDERING, YES, THAT WAS ABOUT HALF OF MY LIFETIME AGO
I SPENT FIVE YEARS ON CAPITOL HILL WORKING SPECIFICALLY ON FEDERAL AVIATION POLICY.
SO I HAVE A, A HAND IN BOTH SIDES OF THE EQUATION.
UH, I WANT TO COMMEND THE AIRPORT STAFF FOR THE VERY COMPREHENSIVE AND EVEN HANDED REPORT THAT THEY PROVIDED.
IT, UH, PROPERLY HIGHLIGHTS THE RISKS, UH, AND THE LEGAL REQUIREMENTS TO IMPOSE THIS LANDING FEE.
UM, IT ALSO TALKS ABOUT THE IMPROPER PURPOSES OF A LANDING FEE.
AND ONE OF THOSE IMPROPER PURPOSES IS TO LESSEN TRAFFIC.
FEDERAL LAW MAKES CLEAR THAT IT IS THEA'S ROLE TO CONTROL TRAFFIC AND MANAGE AIRSPACE.
LANDING FEES CANNOT BE IMPOSED ALSO TO GENERATE EXCESS REVENUE.
LONG BEACH AIRPORT IS ALREADY SELF-SUSTAINING.
THE AIRPORT DOES NOT TAKE ANY MONEY FROM THE CITY'S GENERAL FUND.
UM, AND, UH, THERE WAS A QUESTION FROM, UH, COMMISSIONER MASCARA ABOUT THE, UM, ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS.
IF YOU IMPLEMENT A LANDING FEE USING A DSB, THE, UH, LEADING VENDOR IN THIS AREA, VECTOR CHARGES UP TO 20% OF THE REVENUE, UH, IN ADMINISTRATION COSTS.
THEIR STANDARD CONTRACT DOES NOT ALLOW AIRPORTS TO COLLECT LANDING FEES FROM SOME USERS IN-HOUSE AND THEN HAVE THE VENDOR COLLECT EVERYBODY ELSE'S.
SO WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? LONG BEACH AIRPORT WOULD NO LONGER BE ABLE TO COLLECT, UH, AIRLINE LANDING FEES IN-HOUSE AND THEN JUST OUTSOURCE THE REST, THE GENERAL AVIATION FEES TO VECTOR 'CAUSE IT, IT, UH, TRACKS EVERY SINGLE AIRPORT THAT, UH, UH, AIRPLANE THAT LANDS AT THE AIRPORT.
WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? BASED ON THE PRESENTATION WE JUST SAW, LONG BEACH AIRPORT COULD LOSE UP TO $2.4 MILLION THAT THE AIRLINES ARE CURRENTLY PAYING IN LANDING FEES.
UM, LACK OF FINANCIAL NEED, UH, ALSO INCREASES THE RISK OF LITIGATION.
UH, THERE WAS ALSO A, A QUESTION FROM, UH, COMMISSIONER ARIAS ABOUT, UM, SOMEONE WHO TAKES OFF LANDS, TAKES OFF AND DOESN'T REFUEL.
IT'S CORRECT THAT YOU DON'T PAY LANDING, UH, FUEL FLOW, WHICH FEES? HOWEVER, SOME OF THE FAA DISCRETIONARY GRANTS IN PART ARE BASED ON OPERATIONS.
SO EVERY TIME THERE'S A TAKEOFF AND LANDING, IT MAKES LONG BEACH LOOK LIKE A BUSIER AIRPORT, WHICH IT IS, WHICH QUALIFIES IT FOR MORE FAA DISCRETIONARY GRANT FUNDING.
SO THAT MONEY DOES MAKE IT BACK TO THE AIRPORT.
UM, VAN NUYS, AS THE CITY STAFF MENTIONED, UH, RECENTLY IMPOSED A LANDING FEE AND IT'S UNDER ACTIVE INVESTIGATION FROM THE FAA AND IT FOUND IN VIOLATION VAN NUYS COULD LOSE MILLIONS IN FEDERAL GRANT MONEY.
ADDITIONALLY, TORRANCE AIRPORTS LANDING FEE, THEY'RE NOT GRANT OBLIGATED, BUT THEIR LANDING FEES ARE BEING CHALLENGED IN FEDERAL COURT.
UH, THERE'S SIMPLY NO NEED FOR A LANDING FEE AT LONG BEACH, IN MY OPINION.
AND ANY ATTEMPT TO MANUFACTURE A NEED, UH, RISKS UNNECESSARY LITIGATION, UH, FOR THOSE REASONS, I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO OPPOSE A LANDING FEE AT AND WHERE DO LONG BEACH AIRPORT PLEASE? NO COMMENTS TO THE ER.
OKAY,
UM, THE NEXT SPEAKER'S, TARA CUMINS, UH, THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS FOR YOUR TIME TONIGHT AND FOR THE AIRPORT STAFF FOR YOUR THOUGHTFUL PRESENTATION.
UM, I'M A LONG BEACH RESIDENT AND I SERVE AS A VOLUNTEER BOARD MEMBER TO THE COMMUNITY.
TONIGHT'S PRESENTATION SAYS LANDING FEES MUST BE A FAIR APPROXIMATION OF EACH USER'S USE OF THE FACILITIES, AND THAT FEES MUST BE FAIR AND REASONABLE.
SO I'M HERE TO HELP YOU APPLY THAT STANDARD IN 2025.
COMMERCIAL AIRLINES LANDED AT LONG BEACH ABOUT 17,000 TIMES, AND THEY PAID ABOUT $12.9 MILLION IN LANDING FEES.
THAT'S ROUGHLY $744 PER LANDING.
GENERALLY AVIATION THE SMALL PLANES AND THE PRIVATE JETS LANDED ABOUT 167,000 TIMES AND PAID A TOTAL OF $450,000 IN FUEL FLOWAGE FEES.
THAT'S ABOUT $2 AND 70 CENTS PER LANDING.
AND AS WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING THAT FUEL FLOW HV DOES NOT APPLY TO FLIGHTS WHO, UM, DO NOT FUEL UP AT LONG BEACH.
SO WHAT THIS MEANS IS THAT COMMERCIAL AIRLINES PAY 276 TIMES MORE PER LANDING THAN GENERAL AVIATION.
WHILE GENERAL AVIATION FLIES 91% OF THE LANDINGS AT THE AIRPORT.
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STRUCTURE FAILS BOTH STANDARDS ON A FINANCIAL AND A USE BASIS.THE FAA GRANT ASSURANCE 22 REQUIRES THAT THIS AIRPORT BE AVAILABLE WITHOUT UNJUST DISCRIMINATION TO ALL TYPES, KINDS AND CLASSES OF AERONAUTICAL ACTIVITIES.
A 276 TIME GAP BETWEEN THESE TWO CLASSES OF AIRCRAFT PAY THAT PAY FOR THE SAME RUNWAY IS NOT A ROUNDING ERROR.
IT IS EXACTLY THE UNJUST DISCRIMINATION THAT ASSURANCES PROHIBIT.
I'M ASKING THIS COMMISSION TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE ANALYSIS OF YOUR COST CENTERS.
IS IT, IS IT GLENYS? AM I GETTING THAT NAME CORRECTLY?
UH, MY NAME IS CLINT DOLCE AND I'M ALSO A LONG BEACH RESIDENT OF 46 YEARS IN THE CAL HEIGHTS NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO I'VE SEEN THE CHANGE IN, UH, AVIATION THAT'S OCCURRED OVER THOSE YEARS.
UM, I'M ALSO A VOLUNTEER BOARD MEMBER OF SANER.
UH, MOST RESIDENTS DON'T KNOW WHAT LONG BEACH AIRPORT REALLY COSTS.
EVERY AIRPORT WITH COMMERCIAL SERVICES CHARGES LANDING FEES TO AIRLINES.
AIRLINES PASS THAT COST TO PASSENGERS.
THIS IS A STANDARD PRACTICE EVERYWHERE.
HERE'S WHAT MOST LONG BEACH RESIDENTS DON'T KNOW.
WHEN LONG BEACH RUNS AN OPERATING DEFICIT LIKE THE REPORTED $9 MILLION DEFICIT IN 2025, THE AIRPORT CLOSES THAT GAP BY CHARGING AIRLINES.
MORE AIRLINES PASS THAT INCREASE STRAIGHT TO PASSENGERS, INCLUDING LONG BEACH RESIDENTS BECAUSE LANDING FEES APPLY ONLY TO COMMERCIAL FLIGHTS.
EVERYONE FLYING THROUGH LONG BEACH AIRPORT PAYS FOR LONG BEACH, EXCEPT GENERAL AVIATION AND BUSINESS JETS.
LONG BEACH ALSO CARRIES A REPORTED $104 MILLION IN DEBT.
AND THAT DEBT SERVICE COSTS THE AIRPORT 8.6 MILLION IN 2025 CHARGE EVERY OPERATOR AND COMMERCIAL PASSENGER COSTS COULD ACTUALLY GO DOWN.
PAYING FOR THIS AIRPORT SHOULDN'T FALL ON COMMERCIAL PASSENGERS ALONE.
I'M JEAN YOUNG, A 40 YEAR LONG BEACH RESIDENT, UM, NORTH LONG BEACH AND BIXBY KNOWLES AND A MEMBER OF NER.
THIS PRESENTATION POINTS OUT THAT HEAVIER COMMERCIAL JETS CAUSE MORE WEAR AND TEAR SO THEY PAY MORE.
THAT'S TRUE, AND IT'S EXACTLY WHY LANDING FEES ARE CHARGED PER A THOUSAND POUNDS.
COMMERCIAL AIRLINES PAY $6 AND 14 CENTS PER THOUSAND POUNDS LANDING BETWEEN 7:00 AM AND 10:00 PM AND $12 AND 90 CENTS PER THOUSAND POUNDS LANDING OVERNIGHT.
THAT AVERAGED OUT TO $744 PER LANDING.
BUSINESS JETS PAY NO LANDING FEE.
IF THEY DID A MID-WEIGHT JET, LIKE A CITATION.
XLS WOULD PAY ABOUT $112 PER LANDING.
SMALL PLANES PAYING NO LANDING FEE EITHER.
IF THEY DID A TYPICAL CESSNA 1 72 WOULD PAY ABOUT $15 PER LANDING.
LANDING FEES ALREADY SCALE WITH WEIGHT AND WEAR.
FAIRNESS IS ALREADY BUILT INTO THE FORMULA.
IT'S JUST NEVER BEEN APPLIED TO GENERAL AVIATION.
THERE'S NOTHING REVENUE NEUTRAL ABOUT AN AIRPORT SPENDING MORE THAN IT TAKES IN WHILE IGNORING A FUNDING SOURCE SITTING RIGHT IN FRONT OF IT.
UH, MY NAME'S STUART GALLOWAY AND I'M A LONG TIME RESIDENT OF LONG BEACH AND ALSO, UM, AN ACTIVE MEMBER OF THE SER GROUP WHO YOU ARE HEARING FROM CONTINUOUSLY.
ONE THING ENTIRELY MISSING FROM THE REPORT IS THE FACT THAT THIS JULY LGB ACCEPTED A 27 MILLION FEDERAL GRANT TO REBUILD TAXIWAY F THAT TAXIWAY SERVES RUNWAY 26 LA
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RUNWAY GENERAL AVIATION USES EXCLUSIVELY, AND IT'S GETTING REBUILT BECAUSE IN THE AIRPORT'S OWN WORDS, THE PAVEMENT REACHED THE END OF ITS USEFUL LIFE.LGB ISN'T ACTUALLY SELF-SUSTAINING AND GENERAL AVIATION CAUSES REAL DIRECT WEAR ON THIS AIRFIELD.
SINCE 2017, LGB HAS ACCEPTED OVER $140 MILLION IN FEDERAL GRANTS, WHICH ARE ALL REPAYABLE OVER TIME.
LAST SEPTEMBER, AIRPORT DIRECTOR CYNTHIA GUIDRY TOLD CITY COUNCIL THAT SCHEDULED AIRLINE SERVICE WILL LIKELY DROP 15% IN 2026.
COMMERCIAL FLIGHTS BRING IN ROUGHLY 80% OF THE AIRPORT REVENUE, BUT FLY ONLY ABOUT 9% OF THE OPERATIONS.
THOSE ARE THE AIRPORT'S OWN WORDS DESCRIBING ITS OWN FINANCIAL VULNERABILITY.
THE FIX IS SIMPLE CHARGE LANDING FEES TO THE 91% OF OPERATIONS, PAYING NOTHING TOWARDS THAT RISK RIGHT NOW.
THIS NEXT POINT SHOULD REASSURE ANYONE WORRIED ABOUT FLIGHT SCHOOLS.
LONG BEACH SITS IN A COMPLETELY UNIQUE POSITION, A MIXED, USED TOWERED AIRPORT IN THE SECOND LARGEST METRO AREA IN THE COUNTRY WITH WORLD-CLASS FACILITIES.
NO COMPARABLE AIRPORT EXISTS NEARBY.
VAN NUYS AND TORRANCE CHARGE LANDING FEES WITHOUT OFFERING THE MIXED OPERATION ENVIRONMENT.
PILOTS TRAINING IN LONG BEACH AREN'T LEAVING FOR VAN NUYS OR TORRANCE.
LONG BEACH WILL ALWAYS BE AN ATTRACTIVE PLACE TO TRAIN MATCH TO LONG BEACH OWNED COMMERCIAL FEE STRUCTURE.
A LANDING FEE FOR A SMALL PLANE WOULD RUN ABOUT $15 FOR A FLIGHT SCHOOL.
THAT'S A NORMAL COST OF DOING BUSINESS.
PASSED TO STUDENTS THE SAME WAY AIRLINE LANDING FEES GET PASSED TO PASSENGERS.
FOR A HOBBYIST, THAT'S A SMALL PRICE FOR A VERY PRIVILEGED HOBBY.
THIS ONE WOULDN'T BE DIFFERENT.
GENERAL AVIATION OPERATES IN LONG BEACH, GREW 8% FROM 2024 TO 2025.
NOTHING POINTS TO DEMAND DROPPING IF LONG BEACH CHARGES A FAIR FEE.
MY NAME IS TAMMY SQUIRES AND I'M A RESIDENT OF CAL HEIGHTS FOR 32 YEARS.
UH, ALSO, UM, NOT A VERY ACTIVE THIS YEAR, MEMBER OF SANER, BUT I HAVE BEEN INVOLVED WITH THEM IN THE PAST.
UM, ONE MORE FAIRNESS PROBLEM.
FUEL FLOWAGE FEES FALL ALMOST ENTIRELY ON LOCAL FLIGHT SCHOOLS.
THOSE ARE THE PILOTS THAT AREN'T HOUSED HERE IN LONG BEACH, BUT THE ONES THAT COME FROM OTHER AIRPORTS, UM, THEY FLY IN AND THEY DON'T BUY FUEL HERE, AND THEY MAY NEVER PAY A CENT TOWARDS THE AIRFIELD.
THAT'S NOT REALLY FAIR TO LOCAL BUSINESSES CARRYING THE WHOLE LOAD WHILE OUTSIDE USERS FLY FREE.
AT CURRENT FUEL FLOWAGE RATES, IT WOULD TAKE 60 YEARS TO RAISE $27 MILLION FOR TAXIWAY F RECONSTRUCTION.
FOR ONE GENERAL AVIATION TAXIWAY RUNWAY, 26 WRIGHT USED ONLY BY GENERAL AVIATION AND PRIVATE JETS WILL NEED THE SAME REPAIR EVENTUALLY INSTEAD MATCH THE COMMERCIAL FEE STRUCTURE.
AND GENERAL AVIATION PAYS ABOUT $16 PER LANDING.
BUSINESS JETS PAY ABOUT $112 PER LANDING, BARELY A ROUNDING ERROR AGAINST WHAT IT COSTS TO OPERATE A COMMERCIAL JET.
THOSE FEES ALONE WOULD ADD OVER 3.5 MILLION A YEAR TO THE ENTERPRISE FUND MONEY TO FUND ITS OWN MISSION, COMMITS ITS SAFETY, TO SAFETY, TO SERVICE, AND TO FAIR OPERATING COSTS FOR EVERY BUSINESS PARTNERED AT THIS AIRPORT, NOT JUST THE AIRLINES.
UM, JUST, UH, SINCE WE HAVE THREE MINUTES AND NOT 90 SECONDS,
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I WOULD JUST WANTED TO MAKE A COMMENT ABOUT THE PRESENTATION THAT I SAW HERE.AND GRAND ASSURANCE NUMBER 22 REQUIRES NON-DISCRIMINATION.
IT REQUIRES, IT, IT IS NOT A SUGGESTION.
SO WHEN YOU'RE READING THAT PASSAGE THAT WAS IN THE PRESENTATION, IT SAYS, WHICH IS TO MAKE THE AIRPORT AVAILABLE ON REASONABLE TERMS AND WITHOUT UNJUST DISCRIMINATION TO ALL TYPES, KINDS AND CLASSES OF AERONAUTICAL ACTIVITIES.
COMMISSIONER ARIAS WAS KIND OF POKING AT THAT POINT, THAT ABOUT THE CLASSES.
BUT WE NEED TO LOOK AT SOMETHING MORE THAN JUST THE CLASSES.
AND WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE TYPES AND THE KINDS OF AIRCRAFT THAT ARE USING AND WHETHER THERE IS A FAIRNESS IN, UM, NOT CHARGING LANDING FEES TO GENERAL AVIATION AIRCRAFT, WHICH USED 91% OF THE TIME AND RESOURCES FOR THE AIRPORT, INCLUDING AIR TRAFFIC CONTROL, AS WELL AS, UH, WEAR AND TEAR ON THE AIRPORT ITSELF.
SO THE SPEAKER'S TIME HAS EXPIRED.
YOU CAN TILT THE MICROPHONE UP TOO IF YOU WANT.
WELL, UH, THANK YOU FOR THIS MEETING, COMMISSIONERS AND STAFF AND HOW IT WAS ARRANGED.
UM, I HAVEN'T BEEN TO A MEETING IN QUITE SOME TIME, UH, AND, UH, SANER GROUP WHO ARE OUT HERE IN THE, IN THE AUDIENCE, I, I DON'T BELONG TO THEM YET.
AND THIS MEETING REMINDS ME OF A DOG AND PONY SHOW.
MANY OF THOSE MEETINGS I WENT TO REPRESENTING HUSH, WHERE YOU TALK ABOUT A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS.
IT'S LIKE GETTING INTO A FIGHT WITH SOMEBODY, THROWING THEM YOUR KEYS AND PUNCHING THEM WITH THE OTHER HAND.
YOU WANT 'EM TO PAY ATTENTION TO THE KEYS SO YOU CAN HIT 'EM.
WHAT THIS IS QUALITY OF LIFE, THAT'S THE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT OUT HERE.
AND THE QUALITY OF LIFE, UM, IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS IS REAL IMPORTANT.
UH, I USED TO WORK, BUT I DON'T WORK ANYMORE.
I'VE GOT LOTS OF TIME ON MY HANDS.
AND, UM, WE'VE HAVE STRUGGLED QUITE A BIT WITH THE CITY BEFORE, UM, WITH A GROUP LOOKING MUCH LIKE YOU.
IT'S, UH, WE, WE, UH, BATTLED THE, UH, LOCATION OF THE CITY.
EMERGENCY, UH, LOCATION WE BOUGHT, FOUGHT OFF, UH, REGIONAL CORRIDORS.
WE EVEN HAD A MENTALLY ILL HOMELESS FACILITY THAT WANTED TO MOVE INTO THE EAST SIDE.
AND THAT WAS A STRUGGLE TO LET LET THEM KNOW THAT WASN'T THE CORRECT THING TO DO.
ALSO, THE AIRPORT EXPANSION, THE, UH, WE FOUGHT THAT AND WE ALSO FOUGHT, UH, THE, UH, INTERNATIONAL ATTEMPT THERE, THERE.
NOW, UH, THIS MEETING, IT DOES REMIND ME, OR IT'S REMINISCENT OF THE MEETING THAT HE, HENRY ADA HAD, UM, HE SECRETLY PROMISED JETBLUE A NEW TERMINAL.
IF THEY MOVED THERE, HE WAS GONNA GIVE THEM A, UH, REGIONAL A, UH, INDUSTRIAL SIZE AIRPORT QUADRUPLE THE SIZE THAT THE A ORIGINALLY HAD.
BUT, UH, WHEN THE NEIGHBORHOODS GOT INVOLVED, THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN.
'CAUSE WE'RE FIGHTING FOR OUR NEIGHBORHOODS AND OUR QUALITY OF LIFE.
UH, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK COMMISSIONERS, DON'T ANSWER, BUT, UH, IS THERE, UH, A COMMISSIONER HERE WHO REPRESENTS THE AFFECTED NEIGHBORHOODS IS, WE'LL, WE'LL RECORD THE QUESTION FOR YOU, HUH? WE'LL RECORD THE QUESTION FOR YOU.
IS THERE A COMMISSIONER HERE WHO LIVES IN THE AFFECTED NEIGHBORHOODS? IS THERE A COMMISSIONER HERE WHO DOES NOT WORK AT THE AIRPORT OR RECREATE AT THE AIRPORT? OKAY.
I WOULD, I, I KNOW THE ANSWER TO THOSE WITHOUT THE ANSWER NOW.
UH, I THINK I PRETTY MUCH COVERED IT, THAT THE, THE NEIGHBORHOODS ARE, AREN'T GONNA STAND BY AND ALLOW THE AIR AIRPORT, THE FLAKES TO INCREASE.
AND, UH, WE DIDN'T EVEN TALK ABOUT THE GAS UNLI.
ISN'T THAT WHAT THE, UH, THE, THE PLANES, UH, USE? I BELIEVE THEY STILL DO THAT.
WE'LL, I KNOW WE'LL BE TALKING TO YOU.
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RICKEY.GOOD EVENING, UH, COMMISSIONERS.
I LIVE IN THE CALIFORNIA HEIGHTS NEIGHBORHOOD.
I'M ALSO PRESIDENT OF THE CALIFORNIA HEIGHTS NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
UM, JUST SO WE KNOW, HERE'S A PARCEL LIST, PARTIAL LIST, ACCORDING TO THE FA, A DATA OF CALIFORNIA AIRPORTS THAT CHARGE GENERALLY AVIATION LANDING FEES.
SANTA BARBARA, SAN DIEGO, REDDING, BAKERSFIELD, SAN JOSE, SANTA MARIA, TORRANCE, MONTEREY, SONOMA VAN NUYS, STOCKTON, OAKLAND, AND FRESNO.
ONTARIO, BURBANK, SANTA ANA, JOHN WAYNE, PALM SPRINGS, AND SACRAMENTO.
SO, LONG BEACH IS THE OUTLIER IN ITS OWN PEER GROUP.
AND A QUESTION I HAVE TO FOLLOW UP WITH THAT IS WHEN WE DISCUSSED ABOUT THE COMPARABLE, UH, AIRPORTS REGARDING THE LAWSUITS AND THE, UM, WHETHER THEY'RE GONNA CHARGE A GENERAL AVIATION FEES.
HOW DOES THAT ACTUALLY COMPARE TO LONG BEACH AIRPORT? HOW MANY FLIGHT SCHOOLS DO THOSE AIRPORTS HAVE IN COMPARISON TO LONG BEACH AIRPORT? I THINK THAT'S A QUESTION THAT I WOULD LIKE ANSWERED.
ALSO, TONIGHT'S PRESENTATION CALLS FOR A GENERAL AVIATION FEE REVENUE NEUTRAL.
BECAUSE AIRFIELD FEES LEGALLY CAN'T EXCEED AIRFIELD COST.
GRANT ASSURANCE 24 ACTUALLY SETS THAT CEILING, BUT REVENUE DOESN'T MEAN RISK NEUTRAL.
RIGHT NOW, THESE AIR THREE AIRLINES SCHEDULING DECISIONS CAN ACTUALLY SHAKE THE WHOLE ENTERPRISE FUND.
THEY CAN PUSH THE AIRPORT DEEPER INTO DEBT AND COST COMMERCIAL PASSENGER PASSENGERS EVEN MORE, WHILE SMALL PLANES AND PRIVATE JETS FLY FOR FREE.
SO A COST BASE COMMENSURATE LANDING FEE DOESN'T RAISE THAT CEILING.
IT REBALANCES WHO PAYS UNDERNEATH IT SO THE FUND ISN'T STANDING ON ONE LEG.
THAT'S THE FIX YOUR OWN MEMO ALREADY POINTED TO.
UM, I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO ADD THAT, YOU KNOW, IN THE SPIRIT OF TRYING TO COME TO A COMPROMISE HERE IS I COME FROM AN AVIATION FAMILY.
MY FATHER FLEW OUT OF, UH, LONG BEACH AIRPORT FOR MANY YEARS, BUT I'M ALSO A CALIFORNIA HEIGHTS RESIDENT IMPACTED BY THE GENERAL AVIATION.
AND YOU CAN PULL THE MICROPHONE DOWN IF YOU WANT.
MY NAME'S LISA DUNN AND I AM THE PRESIDENT, FOUNDER OF THE SANER GROUP.
UM, I WANNA THANK THE COMMISSIONERS AND THE AIRPORT STAFF TONIGHT.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND FOR THE WORK THAT YOU'VE PUT INTO EVALUATING THIS ISSUE.
WHILE CENA REMAINS PREDOMINANTLY AN AVIATION NOISE REDUCTION GROUP, ISSUES SURROUNDING THE AIRPORT ARE ALSO OF INTEREST TO US.
AND WE THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THE ISSUE OF LANDING FEES HERE FOR THE COMMUNITY TO DISCUSS THIS DISCUSSION IS NOT ABOUT SINGLING OUT ANY GROUP OR CREATING A NEW BURDEN.
IT IS ABOUT FAIRNESS, FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY, AND THE LONG-TERM FINANCIAL HEALTH OF LONG BEACH AIRPORT.
EVERY AIRCRAFT THAT LANDS AT LONG BEACH AIRPORT BENEFITS FROM THE SAME RUNWAYS, SAFETY SERVICES, INFRASTRUCTURE, AND PROFESSIONAL STAFF.
IT IS REASONABLE THAT ALL USERS CONTRIBUTE TO THE COST OF MAINTAINING THOSE FACILITIES.
AS YOU CONTINUE EVALUATING THE AIRPORT'S LONG-TERM FINANCIAL STRATEGY, WE RESPECTFULLY ASK THAT YOU GIVE SERIOUS CONSIDERATION TO IMPLEMENTING A LANDING FEE PROGRAM THAT IS FAIR, REASONABLE, AND APPLIED EQUITABLY.
WHEN EVERYONE BENEFITS FROM THIS AIRPORT, EVERYONE SHOULD HELP SUPPORT IT.
ALTHOUGH NOISE WAS NOT ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA, SANSNER ALSO REQUESTS THAT THE COMMUNITY BE INCLUDED IN ANY FUTURE DISCUSSIONS SURROUNDING NOISE, SUCH AS THE FLY FRIENDLY MEETINGS, AND ANY OTHER RELATED DISCUSSIONS.
I'M TRINA RUFFO AND I AM A LONG BEACH NATIVE.
I WAS BORN ALMOST 61 YEARS AGO AT PACIFIC HOSPITAL HERE IN LONG BEACH.
AND MY FAMILY IS RESIDED IN CALIFORNIA HEIGHTS FOR OVER 58 YEARS.
SO I GREW UP THERE AND STILL LIVE THERE.
I'M HERE OF OBVIOUSLY ABOUT THE LANDING FEES AND THE PROPOSAL FOR GENERAL AVIATION, AND I WANNA ASK ABOUT WHO'S SHAPING THE DATA THE AIRPORT COMMISSION IS CONSIDERING TONIGHT.
I UNDERSTAND LONG BEACH HAS RETAINED FROS GUN ASSOCIATE AS FINANCIAL CONSULTANT.
ROCA'S OWN MATERIALS DESCRIBE THEIR MODEL AS BRINGING STANDARDIZED BEST IN CLASS FINANCIAL PRACTICES TO AIRPORT CLIENTS ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
BUT A TEMPLATE BUILT FOR ONE AIRPORT'S FEE STRUCTURE ISN'T AUTOMATICALLY RIGHT FOR ANOTHER IN LONG BEACH.
AIRPORT SITUATION IS VERY UNIQUE.
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BEACH DATA WENT INTO THIS RECOMMENDATION? NOT JUST INDUSTRY BENCHMARKS FROM OTHER CLIENTS.SECOND, DOES ROCA'S COMPENSATION DEPEND ON WHAT DIRECTION THIS DECISION GOES? THIRD, CAN STAFF OR ROCA DISCLOSE F FRANCESCA'S TRACK RECORD ADVISING OTHER AIRPORTS ON GA LANDING FEES, INCLUDING ANY CASES WHERE A PROPOSED FEE OR NEW STRUCTURE WAS NOT ADOPTED? FOURTH, WILL THE UNDERLYING COST CENTER ANALYSIS AND METHODOLOGY BE MADE PUBLIC? FINALLY, DOES F FORS AND ASSOCIATE DO ANY WORK FOR ANY INDUSTRY ASSOCIATIONS OR ORGANIZATIONS WHO MAY BE CONSIDERED STAKEHOLDERS IN THIS PROCESS? BEFORE THIS COMMISSION ADOPTS A STANCE, THE COMMUNITY DESERVES TRANSPARENCY ON THE DATA, DRIVING THE PROCESS, WHO'S INFLUENCING IT? HOW LONG BEACH, AND, EXCUSE ME, HOW LONG BEACH'S UNIQUE MIX OF OPERATIONS AND FINANCIAL HEALTH ARE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT? THANK YOU SO MUCH.
I LIVE IN AN AREA CALLED SLEEPY HOLLOW, BUT I HAVE BEEN INVOLVED WITH AIRPORT ISSUES AT LONG BEACH SINCE 1985.
A YOUNG MAN THAT SAID HALF HIS YEAR, I'VE BEEN OVER HALF OF MY YEAR, HALF OF MY LIFETIME HAS BEEN INVOLVED IN SOME KIND OF FIGHT OR CORRECTION OR EFFORT TO BUILD A GOOD RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE AIRPORT AND THE NEIGHBORHOODS.
SO THANKS FOR HAVING THE MEETING.
UH, THE AIRPORT ADVISORY COMMISSION, OBVIOUSLY IS HERE TO PROVIDE, UH, SUGGESTIONS, RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE CITY COUNCIL WHO THEN CAN TAKE IT TO THE NEXT LEVEL IF THEY ARE SO INCLINED.
UM, I WOULD LIKE YOU TO CONSIDER MORE THAN ANYTHING, THIS ISN'T ABOUT LANDING FEES.
THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM IS REALLY ABOUT THE NOISE THAT THESE FAMILIES HAVE HAD TO ENDURE OVER THE LAST FOUR YEARS WITH THE RAPID GROWTH OF FLIGHT SCHOOLS.
IF YOU LOOK AT OUR NOISE ORDINANCE, IF OUR NOISE ORDINANCE WERE BEING MONITORED AND ENFORCED, THERE WOULDN'T BE THIS KIND OF AN OUTRAGE TO REDUCE THE TRAINING LIMITATIONS TO REDUCE COMMUNITY DISRUPTION.
SPECIFIC FLIGHT TRAINING EXERCISES ARE RESTRICTED TO WEEKDAYS.
7:00 PM TO 7:00 AM THEY FLY TILL AFTER MIDNIGHT SOMETIMES, AND WEEKENDS AND HOLIDAYS, 3:00 PM TO 8:00 AM THEY DON'T STOP FLYING AT 3:00 PM IF THOSE LIMITATIONS WERE ENFORCED, YOU'D HAVE A HAPPIER COMMUNITY.
UH, BUT THAT HAS NOT HAPPENED.
I KNOW THAT THERE'S A SMALL OVERSIGHT GROUP THAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE MADE UP OF THE PILOTS.
I KNOW KURT CASTANA WAS SUPPOSED TO BE THEIR LEAD FOR A WHILE, BUT REALLY IT FALLS ON OUR AIRPORT MANAGER, AND IT'S UP TO HER TO MAKE THOSE ENFORCEMENTS SOON.
PRETTY SOON WE'RE GONNA BE HOME, NOT JUST TO FLIGHT TEAM 19 FLIGHT SCHOOLS, BUT ALSO TO THE CORPORATE JETS THAT ARE BUILDING THE NEW FACILITY RIGHT HERE IN LONG BEACH.
IF THEY DON'T PAY LANDING FEES, IF THEY'RE NOT HELD RESPONSIBLE, UM, YOU KNOW, TO FLY UNDER THE SAME RULES AND REGULATIONS AS EVERYBODY ELSE, THEN WE HAVE A PROBLEM.
YOU KNOW, I AM NOT SUGGESTING TO YOU TO TRY TO CHANGE ANYTHING IN THE NOISE ORDINANCE.
THE ISSUE IS THE BARE MINIMUM OUTSIDE OF THE ENFORCEMENT WOULD BE TO ASK THE FAA TO INCLUDE THE TAXI BACK AND ALL OTHER EXERCISES TO BE INCLUDED IN THE ORDINANCE.
AS THE WORLD EVOLVES, THERE'S NEW WORDINGS, NEW SLANG, NEW SLOGANS COME INTO PLAY.
THE COURTS SHOULD BE ABLE TO HONOR THAT, TO RECOGNIZE THAT AS WELL AS THE FAA WITHOUT OPENING THE ORDINANCE TO OUTSIDE CHALLENGES.
AND THE OPPORTUNITY OF OUTSIDE CHALLENGES, I UNDERSTAND, IS VERY REAL.
UH, WE HAD 19 AIRLINES SUING THE CITY OF LONG BEACH BACK IN 1985.
SO PLEASE DO YOUR BEST TO MAKE GOOD RECOMMENDATIONS TO OUR CITY COUNCIL, UM, THAT THEY DO SOMETHING TO GIVE SOME RELIEF TO THESE HOMES.
THERE'S 1300 HOMES IN CAL HEIGHTS.
THERE'S 700 HOMES IN BIXBY KNOWLES.
THERE'S THOUSANDS OF FAMILIES THAT ARE AFFECTED EVERY SINGLE DAY, ALL DAY LONG.
AND SOMEONE HAD SAID SOMETHING ABOUT LONG TERM FINANCIAL, EXCUSE ME, BUT THE SPEAKER'S TIME HAS EXPIRED.
CAN I FINISH MY SENTENCE? GO AHEAD.
THE LONG TERM FINANCIAL HEALTH SHOULD NOT JUST BE ABOUT ONE ENTITY, BUT THE THOUSANDS
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OF HOMES WHOSE VALUE IS GOING TO BE IMPACTED IF QUALITY OF LIFE ISSUES ARE NOT PROTECTED.I LIVE CLOSE TO BIXBY AND CHERRY, SO I GET TO SEE GENERAL AVIATION.
IT'S LIKE HAVING A VOLKSWAGEN BUS RIGHT OVER YOUR HEAD EVERY DAY, ALL DAY LONG.
UM, I'M JUST, I'M FOCUSING BACK ON A COUPLE THINGS HERE.
UM, AND THE THING THAT'S REALLY STRIKING ME IS WHERE IT SAYS PERMISSIBLE BASIS.
A FAIR APPROXIMATION OF EACH USER'S USE OF THE FACILITIES.
UM, IT WOULD BE GREAT IF IT, WE WERE ONLY TALKING ABOUT THE AIRPORT FACILITIES, BUT AS FAR AS I KNOW, THE AIRPLANES DON'T JUST FLY OVER THE AIRPORT.
THEY ACTUALLY FLY OVER THE NEIGHBORHOODS.
UM, SO WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THE COSTS, IT'S NOT JUST THE COST OF REPAIRING THE RUNWAYS AND ALL OF THIS OTHER STUFF, BUT WHAT ARE THE COSTS TO THE COMMUNITY? HOW MANY OF THE, THE FLIGHTS ARE FLYING LEADED FUEL, IF IT'S 91% THAT ARE GENERAL AVIATION, THAT'S 91% FLYING LEADED FUEL DIRECTLY OVER OUR HEADS ALL DAY, EVERY DAY, OFTEN INTO THE NIGHT.
SO IS THIS A FAIR APPROXIMATION OF EACH USER'S USE OF THE FACILITIES AND OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND SHARED AIR? UM, I WOULD LIKE US TO OBVIOUSLY ADDRESS THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM, WHICH IS THE FREQUENCY OF THE GA FLIGHTS, WHICH HAS INCREASED SO MUCH OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS TO TALK ABOUT WHERE WE'RE HEADED IN THE FUTURE.
IS IT A FUTURE THAT WE WANNA SEE? HOW MANY, WHEN ARE THE LEADED FLIGHT? UH, THE LEADED IS GONNA BE PHASED OUT.
HOW MANY OF THE FUTURE PLANES ARE GONNA BE, UH, ELECTRIC? IF 91% OF THE USERS ARE NOT PAYING THEIR FAIR SHARE, WHAT STAKE DO THEY HAVE IN THE GAME? UM, WE SHOULD DO BE DOING BETTER.
THANK YOU FOR HOLDING THIS MEETING AND ALLOWING A PUBLIC FORUM.
DID I SAY THAT CORRECTLY?
I DON'T KNOW WHY I SAID CHRIS.
I'M NOT PART OF SANER, ALTHOUGH I SUPPORT THEIR EFFORTS.
AND I DON'T LIVE IN CAL HEIGHTS.
UM, MOST OF MY CONCERNS HAVE BEEN COVERED IN DEPTH BY MANY OTHER SPEAKERS, SO I WON'T GO INTO THAT.
BUT I AM ONE, ONE THING THAT WATCHING THE PRESENTATION WAS BORN OUT TO ME, THAT THE EQUITY PART OF THE REQUIREMENT IS NOT COVERED AS LONG AS 91% OF THE FLIGHTS ARE NOT PAYING LANDING FEES.
IT HAS, THIS SKEWS IT GREATLY TOWARDS COMMERCIAL.
AND ALSO SOMEBODY HAD MENTIONED THE FACT HAD BROUGHT UP, I THINK IT WAS RAY, BUT THE CORPORATE JETS ARE COMING.
THEY ARE GOING TO ALSO BE INCREASING IN NUMBERS AND THEY SHOULD BE PAYING SOME FEES.
EVERYBODY USING THE AIRPORT SHOULD BE PAYING FEES.
AND WHEN YOU SPEAK JUST OF, YOU KNOW, THE IMPACT ON THE RUNWAY, AND YES, COMMERCIAL HAS A FAR GREATER IMPACT ON THE ACTUAL PAVEMENT, BUT I WOULD IMAGINE IF YOU ASK THE AIR TRAFFIC CONTROLLERS, THEY WOULD SAY THAT IT'S THE GENERAL AVIATION AND THE STUDENTS THAT DRIVE THEM CRAZY.
THEY'RE NOT GONNA HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE COMMERCIAL PILOTS LANDING.
THE GA PEOPLE ARE ALL OVER THE PLACE.
THEY CAN'T NECESSARILY TRUST THEM, AND I'M SURE, AND THEY'RE HARDER TO SEE.
SO I'M SURE THEY FEEL LIKE THEY COULD, UH, BE DOING MORE TO HELP OUT.
AND THEN THE LAST THING I WANTED TO COMMENT ON FEAR OF LAWSUITS.
THAT'S ALWAYS HELD UP AS A BIG BUGABOO.
I WAS A HOSPITAL HEALTHCARE PROFESSIONAL FOR 25 YEARS.
IF WE HAD CHANGED EVERY POLICY BECAUSE SOMEBODY SAID THEY WERE GOING TO SUE, THEY WOULD'VE JUST CLOSED THE DOORS AND WALKED AWAY.
THERE'S ALWAYS A RISK OF LAWSUITS.
YES, YOU WANT TO TRY TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT WAYS TO MITIGATE THAT, BUT THAT CAN'T BE THE SOLE BASIS OF A DECISION.
I'M BRIAN GRIMSHAW AND I'M NEW TO THIS.
SO PUT UP WITH ME FOR A MINUTE.
JUST A COUPLE THINGS I PICKED UP DURING THE DISCUSSIONS
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WE HAD HERE.ONE OF THE THINGS THAT EVERYBODY'S IGNORING IS THAT LONG BEACH NOISE ORDINANCE THAT EVERYBODY KEEPS TALKING ABOUT.
AS THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM, UH, HAS A CAP TO IT THAT SAYS, BY TOTALS OF AIRCRAFT NOISE OVER A PERIOD OF TIME, IF THE NEW JETS BECOME QUIETER, WE GET MORE JETS.
THAT'S HOW THE NOISE ORDINANCE IS WRITTEN.
IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT TOO BAD, CHANGE THE NOISE ORDINANCE.
I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG BEACH HANDLES LEGAL COSTS FOR LONG BEACH AIRPORT.
TORRANCE, WHICH HAS LANDING FEES.
THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT OF TORRANCE CHARGES THE TORRANCE AIRPORT WHAT THOSE LEGAL FEES ARE, AND THEY HIDE IT IN THEIR BUDGETS.
SO IT'S NOT VISIBLE TO THE PUBLIC.
THEY CONSIDER IT CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION.
I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG BEACH IS GONNA HANDLE THAT.
UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE IS, RIGHT, RIGHT NOW THEY SAY THAT EVERYTHING COST EFFECTIVE IS NEUTRAL AT LONG BEACH AIRPORT.
SO IF WE WENT TO PAGE 17 ON YOUR DIS ON THE DISCUSSION WE HAD, IT SAYS THE JOINT, THE GA LANDING FEES WOULD NOT RAISE NEW MONEY.
IT SAID, EXCEPT, UH, IT WOULD ADD COST AND ADMINISTRATIVE PROBLEMS. OKAY.
IF YOU WANNA SIT THERE AND PUT MORE COST ON EVERYBODY AT THE AIRPORT AND RAISE THE AIRPORT COST ALL ACROSS THE BOARD AND WHERE'S IT GONNA COME FROM.
SO THAT'S ALL THE SPEAKER CARDS I HAVE.
IS THERE ANYBODY THAT WE MISSED THAT DIDN'T TURN ONE IN? OKAY.
UNLESS YOU, DID YOU COME HERE SPECIFICALLY FOR THIS ITEM? YES.
AND AS THE FIRST SPEAKER THAT GOT UP, I TOO HAVE LIVED HERE ABOUT SEVEN YEARS.
AND, UM, THE FIRST FIVE YEARS WE'RE JUST FINE.
THE LAST TWO, TWO AND A HALF YEARS.
UM, FIRST OF ALL, THE PRESENTATION I WITNESSED, I'VE NEVER HEARD A PRESENTATION THAT HAS FOUGHT SO HARD TO GET A NEW REVENUE STREAM.
YOU HAVE 19 FLIGHT SCHOOLS THAT USE THE AIRPORT, BUT WALK, UH, FLY FREE WITHOUT PAYING ANYTHING.
WHAT IS FREE THESE DAYS? WE PAY MORE FOR EVERYTHING.
BUT YET THEY'RE FLYING FREE OVER OUR HEADS BACK AND FORTH.
SOMETIMES I THINK THEY PURPOSELY FLY LOW RIGHT OVER OUR HEADS NONSTOP FROM 4:00 PM TO 6:00 PM IT'S ONE AFTER THE OTHER.
WHAT ABOUT THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS AND MIDDLE SCHOOLS? THE KIDS PLAYING ON THE PLAYGROUND, THEY'RE FLYING RIGHT OVER THEIR HEADS.
IF YOU HAVE KIDS OR GRANDKIDS, WELL, MAYBE SINCE NONE OF YOU LIVE IN CAL HEIGHTS, DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THAT.
BUT KIDS BREATHING IN THAT LEADED FUEL DAY AFTER DAY, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN FIVE, 10 YEARS DOWN THE LINE WITH THEIR REP RESPIRATORY SYSTEMS. A LOT OF THE PARENTS HAVE HAD THEIR KIDS TESTED FOR LEAD AND IT CAME POSITIVE.
THE LEAD ALSO DAMAGES THE ROOFS OF OUR HOMES.
MORE BOTTOM LINE IS, DO YOU CARE AT ALL ABOUT OUR COMMUNITY? YOU MIGHT NOT LIVE HERE, BUT AS WE, THEY SAID, THERE'S 1300 HOMES IN CAL HEIGHTS, AND APPARENTLY WRIGLEY IS AFFECTED NEGATIVELY AS WELL.
WE WANNA HAVE SOME PEACE IN OUR HOMES.
IF YOU DON'T PUT IN THE LANDING FREEZE, YOU'RE GIVING AWAY SOMETHING FREE.
WHEN THIS GUY TALKS ABOUT ADMINISTRATIVE CAUSE COME ON, YOU DON'T, YOU DON'T HAVE A, A PROGRAM NOW THAT TRACKS EVERY PLANE THAT GOES UP AND DOWN.
WHAT'S IT GONNA BE A SOFTWARE PROGRAM? THERE'S NOT GONNA BE ANY BIG GIANT ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS.
YOU OBVIOUSLY KNOW WHAT AIRLINES TAKE OFF AND COME DOWN MM-HMM
SO DON'T TRY TO PULL THE WOOL OVER OUR EYES.
YOU HAVE A REVENUE STREAM AT YOUR FINGERTIPS AND ONE THAT MIGHT HELP THE COMMUNITY, BUT YOU DON'T WANNA DO IT.
I IMPLORE YOU FOR THE SAKE OF OUR COMMUNITY, THE KIDS THAT GO TO SCHOOL THAT HAVE TO BREATHE THAT LEG, THINK ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE DOING TO US AND THINK ABOUT HOW ALL THESE 19 FLIGHT SCHOOLS, AND I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE JETS, THEY'RE PAYING THEIR FAIR SHARE.
THE FLIGHT SCHOOLS NEED TO PAY THEIR FAIR SHARE TOO.
AND MAYBE THEY WOULDN'T BE CIRCLING AROUND AND AROUND AND AROUND AND AROUND.
I NEED YOU TO, I NEED YOU TO WRAP UP, UP SPEAKER'S.
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OKAY.THAT INCLUDES OUR PUBLIC HEARING.
I'LL BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION.
ANY STATEMENTS, QUESTIONS OF STAFF QUESTIONS BASED ON WHAT WAS PRESENTED? GO AHEAD.
UM, FIRST AND FOREMOST, THANK YOU FOR, UH, YOUR TIME AND BEING HERE AND PASSION ENERGY.
UM, UH, TO ANSWER THE GENTLEMAN'S QUESTION, NO, I DO NOT LIVE IN COW HEIGHTS OR WRIGLEY.
UH, BUT I'M SOMEONE WHO GREW UP IN THE FLIGHT PATH OF LAX.
MY HIGH SCHOOL WAS LITERALLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE AIRPORT.
SO I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND QUALITY OF LIFE WHEN IT COMES TO, UH, WHEN IT COMES TO AIRPORTS.
UH, MY, WE'D HAVE TO STOP IN THE MIDDLE OF A SPEECH BECAUSE A PLANE WAS TAKING OFF.
UM, I, I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT SITTING HERE, BECAUSE I'VE, I, I WANT TO HELP.
AND I'VE BEEN HERE ON THIS COMMISSION FOR THE LAST, ABOUT YEAR, JUST OVER A YEAR.
AND THE FIRST THING I ASKED WHEN I SAW THE REPORTS, AND I SEE THE, UH, NOISE REPORTS EVERY, EVERY MONTH.
AND I GO, WHY IS IT SO INFLATED? AND I HATE THAT.
I KNOW THERE'S A BUTTON OR SOMETHING YOU CAN GET ON AMAZON THAT PEOPLE HIT.
SO WHEN I SEE THINGS THAT ARE INFLATED AND I'M HERE AND I WANT TO HELP, THAT DOESN'T, THAT DOESN'T HELP ME WHEN I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ACTUAL ISSUES ARE.
AND I SAY THAT WITH HEARING EVERYONE'S, YOU KNOW, PLEA TO US.
AND I'M STILL, I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, I KNOW IT'S A QUALITY OF LIFE.
BUT I'M STILL TRYING TO GET WHAT THE ACTUAL ASK IS.
AND, 'CAUSE I'VE HEARD EVERYTHING FROM THE TYPE OF FUEL TO NOISE TO EQUITY IN PAYING FEES AND INCREASING THE REVENUE OF THE AIRPORT.
BUT SAY, WE SAY WE IMPLEMENT THESE CHANGES FOR, FOR GA THE ASK IS THEN WHAT, WHAT, WHAT IS THE COMMUNITY REALLY BOILING DOWN AND LOOKING FOR? WHAT, WHAT IS IT THAT YOU WANT? IS IT, AND I WILL, I WILL GLADLY TAKE THAT HAND IN THE BACK.
I SAW SOMEONE PUT IT UP FIRST.
AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO, THAT'S WHAT I WANNA SEE.
EVEN WHEN I GOT THE, WHEN WE READ THE, THE LETTER FROM THE COUNCILWOMAN, IS IT TO INCREASE THE, TO INCREASE THE REVENUE? IS IT TO, UH, LIKE WHAT, WHAT IS THE ASK IF WE, IF WE GO ABOUT AND IMPLEMENTING THIS, IF, WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE? SO, VICE CHAIR, GALES, WE ARE HERE TONIGHT TO TALK ABOUT LANDING FEES.
WE HEARD TONIGHT ABOUT, I MEAN, QUALITY LIGHTLY.
I, I WOULD PREFER YOU GUYS HAVE THE CONVERSATION AFTERWARDS.
'CAUSE IT'S UNFAIR TO EVERYBODY ELSE AT THIS POINT TO, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE THE CONVERSATION ABOUT.
WHAT, WHAT ELSE IF WE IMPLEMENT THIS, THEN WHAT IS, WHAT IS THAT ASK OUT OF THE SIX OR SO DIFFERENT ISSUES, WHAT DOES THIS BOIL DOWN TO? UM, BECAUSE WE'RE, WE'RE HERE, WE'RE, WE'RE HERE TO HELP.
I, A LOT OF US VOLUNTEER OUR TIME TO BE HERE.
UH, WE'RE NOT HERE JUST FOR, YOU KNOW, SAKE.
WE ARE HERE BECAUSE WE WANT TO HELP AND WE LOVE THE CITY JUST AS MUCH AS YOU DO.
UH, SO WE HAVE, LET ME BRING IT BACK.
UM, COMMISSIONER? YEAH, GO AHEAD.
UH, FIRST I'D LIKE TO THANK THE STAFF FOR THE, FOR THE REPORT.
I REALLY THOUGHT IT WAS A WELL DRAFTED, UM, SYNTHESIS OF THE ISSUES CONCISE, AND I REALLY APPRECIATED IT.
I ALSO WANNA THANK THE COMMUNITY FOR YOUR, YOUR PASSIONATE, ARTICULATE, UM, TESTIMONY.
I DO LIVE IN, UH, BIXBY KNOWLES.
SO WHEN YOU SAY NONE OF YOU LIVE OR AFFECTED, I DEFINITELY AM, HAVE BEEN FOR 47 YEARS.
UM, I THINK WHAT THE ISSUE HERE IS, IS OUR FORMULA, COST RECOVERY FORMULA.
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AND I'M WONDERING WHAT NEXT STEPS WOULD BE THIS, THIS COMMISSION CANNOT DO ANYTHING WITH A REPORT.UM, BUT I'M WONDERING WHAT OUR NEXT STEPS WOULD BE ON THIS ISSUE.
DO WE, COULD WE ESTABLISH A, A SUBCOMMITTEE TO WORK WITH STAFF TO GET MORE DETAILS AND DISCUSS? I, I AM NOT SURE WHAT OUR NEXT STEPS ARE.
YOU WANNA GO AHEAD AND ASK YOUR QUESTION? YEAH.
UH, JOE, UM, I DO LIVE IN THE FLIGHT PATH, SO I CAN VOUCH FOR THAT.
AND I DO KNOW THAT THE UPS PLANE TAKES OFF ABOUT SEVEN 30
AND WE DO HAVE A BIXBY PAUSE WHERE YOU HAVE TO STOP AND YEAH.
TAKE TWO SECONDS TO, YOU KNOW, CONTINUE YOUR CONVERSATION.
WHAT, WHAT I SEE IN SOME, TO ANSWER, THE OTHER COMMISSIONER ACTUALLY PUT THE INPUT ON THAT, UM, FUTURE REVENUE AND COST SUPPORT.
SOMEBODY HAD MENTIONED GA ELECTRIC AND JETS, AND SO JUST NOT LOOKING AT ANOTHER TWO YEARS, YOU KNOW, I'M LOOKING AT 5, 10, 15, 20 YEARS IN THE FUTURE.
AND SO WHEN WE DO HAVE ELECTRIC JETSON TYPE OF VEHICLES, YOU KNOW, ARE THEY TREATED AS EQUITABLE AS THE OTHERS COMING IN? SO, UM, THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING OF IT.
JUST THE E EQU THE, THE EQUITABILITY OF THE FEES BEING SPREAD ACROSS TO EVERYONE.
UM, BUT I DO THANK YOU FOR YOUR QUESTION.
AND, UH, YEAH, I DO LIVE ON THE, ON THE FLOOR.
YEAH, I, UM, WAS QUESTIONING MYSELF ABOUT THE AIRCRAFT WEIGHT.
UH, IT WAS SAID HERE THAT, UH, UNDER A CERTAIN WEIGHT THEY WOULD NOT BE, UH, CHARGED LANDING FEES.
SO DEPENDING ON THE PERCENTAGE OF OUR AIRCRAFT, OUR GA WHO ARE UNDER THAT WEIGHT, WHICH I WOULD THINK WOULD BE THE AIRCRAFT USED FOR THE SCHOOLS RULES, THEN THERE'S A LARGE PORTION THAT AREN'T GOING TO BE CHARGED ANYHOW FOR LANDING FEES.
SO, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IMPACT THAT WOULD HAVE ON THIS TRYING TO BE EQUITABLE.
WHAT PERCENT OF OUR AIRCRAFT CAN YOU SAY A GA WOULD FALL UNDER THAT 12 POINT? WHAT IS IT? UH, POUNDS, 12,000 POUNDS, WHATEVER THE THRESHOLD IS.
UH, BASED ON THE OPERATIONS OF AIRCRAFT, UH, OVER THE PAST 12 MONTHS, ABOUT 90, OVER 90% OF THE SMALL AIRCRAFT DO FALL UNDER, UH, THE 12,500 THRESHOLD.
SO THEREFORE, THEY WOULD NOT EVEN BE ABLE BY FAA RULES TO BE CHARGED A LANDING FEE.
IT'S NOT FAA RULES, IT'S BASED ON THE METHODOLOGY THAT'S ADOPTED AND WHO WOULD BE ADOPTED AS EXEMPT FOR, UM, THOSE SL FEES.
LET, LET, LET HER ANSWER THE QUESTIONS.
DID YOU GET YOUR ANSWER? OKAY, COMMISSIONER ZA? YES.
I JUST WANNA SAY THANK YOU AND I WANNA LET YOU KNOW THAT WHEN I JOINED AND BECAME A MEMBER OF THE COMMISSION, I WAS INTRODUCED TO SANER ON MY, UH, COMPUTER.
AND I HAVE BEEN FOLLOWING EVERY SINGLE SANER STATEMENT AND READING THOSE.
AND I KNOW IT'S A VERY COMPLEX ISSUE AND THAT THE COMMUNITY IS, YOU KNOW, SUFFERING BECAUSE OF THIS.
I'M NOT SURE, EVEN IF THE LANDING FEES WERE IMPOSED, THAT WOULD REDUCE THE NUMBER OF FLIGHTS.
UH, I KNOW THAT'S WHAT, WHAT'S HOPEFUL, UM, THAT THAT MAY IN, UH, REDUCE THE NUMBER OF FLIGHTS GOING OVER, BUT I'M NOT SURE THAT WOULD HAPPEN.
IT'S NOT AN EASY ONE, BUT HOPEFULLY, UM, YOU KNOW, THE AIRPORT HAS HEARD YOUR INPUT.
AND, UM, HOPEFULLY THERE CAN BE SOME REMEDIATION AT THE END OF ALL THIS.
SO, JUST TO REMIND EVERYBODY, THIS WAS AN INFORMATIONAL ITEM REQUESTED BY OUR COUNCIL REPRESENTATIVE.
UH, IT'S NOT AS INDICATED EARLIER, WE'RE NOT IN A POSITION HERE TO TAKE ANY ACTION.
WE'RE HERE TO OBVIOUSLY LISTEN TO YOU FOLKS, HEAR A PRESENTATION FROM STAFF.
UM, WITH THAT, IF THE DIRECTOR CAN KIND OF INDICATE WHAT THE NEXT STEPS MIGHT BE UPON RECEIVING THIS INFORMATION.
IT IS REALLY UP TO, UP TO THE COMMISSION IF, IF THERE IS A DESIRE TO, UM, UH, DO A LETTER OR RESPOND IN A MEMO BACK TO THE COUNCILWOMAN ON THE FINDINGS AND CONVERSATION OF THIS
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AFTERNOON.COMMISSIONER LARSON, DID YOU WANNA YES, I ALSO WANTED TO THANK THE STAFF, UM, FOR THEIR INPUT AS WELL.
UM, THANK YOU VERY MUCH SANER FOR ORGANIZING YOUR THOUGHTS SO WELL AND PUTTING FORTH ALL THE DIFFERENT ISSUES THAT WE CAN ADDRESS, AT LEAST LISTEN TO TODAY ON THE LANDING FEES.
SO I LIVE IN DISTRICT FOUR, I AM ON THE APPROACH, MAINLY COMMERCIAL.
I GET THE, THE CORPORATE JETS AND I DO GET SOME OF THE GA AS WELL.
AND WE HAVE TO PAUSE OUR TELEVISION, STOP OUR TALKING AS WELL.
I HAVE VISITED WITH FRIENDS IN CAL HEIGHTS.
I HAVE CERTAINLY HEARD WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
AND I UNDERSTAND, AND I HOPE THAT WE AS A COMMISSION, WE CAN MAKE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS MM-HMM
ON MOVING FORWARD AND FIND WHAT THE EQUITY IS WITHIN THE RULES WITHOUT LOSING OUR NOISE ORDINANCE AS WELL.
SO, UM, AGAIN, THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH.
YOU KNOW, WE ARE HERE NINE TIMES A YEAR TOO, SO PLEASE COME WHEN THERE'S OTHER OPTIONS, OTHER TOPICS AS WELL.
I THINK OUR CHAIR CAN AGENDIZE, UH, UH, ACTION ON A RECOMMENDATION, NOT, DON'T GET YOUR HOPES UP.
RECOMMENDATION FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION.
YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY COULD MAKE A MOTION.
YOU CAN MAKE A MOTION, FOR EXAMPLE, TO HAVE THIS ITEM RETURNED TO US FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION.
AND RESPOND TO SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WERE PRESENTED THIS EVENING IS FROM US AS WELL AS THE RESIDENTS, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WOULD DESIRE.
WE HAVE A MOTION,
UM, WE, WE, WE ACTUALLY CAN'T EX EXCUSE ME, UH, TAKE A MOTION ON A NON AGENDIZED ITEM.
YOU CAN ASK STAFF TO, THIS WOULD BE A SUBSTITUTE MOTION, IF I RECALL.
'CAUSE WE ALREADY HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR, UH, TO RECEIVE AND FILE IS MY UNDERSTANDING.
WE, WE, WE HAVE, WE HAD A MOTION AND A SECOND TO RECEIVE AND FILE.
THAT'S THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR.
THE ONE BEING PRESENTED WOULD BE A SUBSTITUTE MOTION.
YOU CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT THAT'S WHERE I, I SIT RIGHT NOW CHAIR.
I THINK IF WE CAN'T DO THAT, WE CAN ASK THE CHAIR TO AGENDIZE.
YOU DO, YOU DO ESTABLISH THE AGENDA.
SO YOU CAN PUT IT ON THE AGENDA MM-HMM.
IS THAT, IS THAT ACCURATE? THAT IS CORRECT.
ANY OTHER COMMENT? VICE CHAIR, DID YOU WANNA COMMENT ON THAT? UH, YOU GOOD? NO, I'M GOOD.
SO WE'RE NOT GONNA GO WITH THE SUBSIDY MOTION, SO I'LL WITHDRAW THE MOTION AND YOU CAN JUST AGENDIZE IT.
SO FOR ALL OF YOU, IF YOU DIDN'T FOLLOW THAT, THERE WILL BE, UH, ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM.
FURTHER ON, IT'LL BE AGENDIZED AT SOME POINT, BUT FOR TONIGHT, WE'RE JUST GONNA RECEIVE AND FILE THE REPORT.
UM, WITH THAT, CAN I HAVE A ROLL CALL ON THAT? THAT MOTION? COMMISSIONER ARIA? YES.
UM, SO YOU ALL DON'T HAVE TO SIT THROUGH THE REST OF OUR AGENDA.
I'LL TAKE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK.
AND YOU'RE WELCOME TO LEAVE IF YOU LIKE.
[2. 26-55561 Recommendation to receive and file presentation regarding the LGB Business Partner Spotlight, featuring Sharif Faiz, Hertz General Manager. Suggested Action: Approve recommendation. ]
TO APPROVE THE RECOMMENDATION FOR ITEM NUMBER TWO.CAN WE HAVE THE PRESENTATION? YES.
CHAIR CHRISTOPH AND COMMISSIONERS.
I AM PLEASED, UH, FOR US TO PRESENT TO YOU ALL LONG BEACH AIRPORT'S BUSINESS PARTNER SPOTLIGHT TO THE COMMISSION.
UH, THIS MONTH'S SPOTLIGHT IS ON SHARIF FAIZ, GENERAL MANAGER AT THE LONG BEACH AIRPORT, HERTZ RENTAL CAR COMPANY
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AND PUBLIC AFFAIRS OFFICER DEREK LEE WILL PROVIDE THE REPORT.WE'RE PLEASED TO SHINE THIS MONTH'S BUSINESS PARTNER SPOTLIGHT ON MR. SHARIF FAIS, THE GENERAL MANAGER AT HERTZ OF LONG BEACH AIRPORT.
AS ONE OF THE AIRPORT'S VALUED PARTNERS, THE RENTAL CAR COMPANY HELPS PASSENGERS ENJOY A SMOOTH TRAVEL EXPERIENCE.
AND MR. FAIS LEADERSHIP PLAYS A HUGE ROLE IN THIS.
HE STARTED WORKING WITH HERTZ AT JOHN WAYNE AIRPORT, WHERE HE MANAGED OPERATIONS WHILE GROWING INTO THE LEADER HE'S BECOME TODAY, FAYE SAYS HE'S GRATEFUL TO HERTZ FOR THE OPPORTUNITIES THAT THE COMPANY HAS PROVIDED TO HIM.
AND NOW AS A GENERAL MANAGER WITH HERTZ AT LONG BEACH AIRPORT, HE WORKS WITH AIRPORT LEADERSHIP TO PROVIDE A RELIABLE AND SEAMLESS PROCESS THAT ALIGNS WITH LGB HIGHEST OPERATIONAL STANDARDS.
MR. FAYE SAYS HE ENJOYS WORKING AT LONG BEACH AIRPORT BECAUSE NO TWO DAYS ARE THE SAME.
AND HE AND HIS TEAM ARE MOTIVATED BY KNOWING THAT THEIR WORK CONTRIBUTES TO THE OUTSTANDING REPUTATION OF LONG BEACH AIRPORT.
OUTSIDE OF WORK, HE ENJOYS SPENDING TIME WITH HIS FAMILY, ENCOURAGING HIS SONS AS THEY PURSUE THEIR PASSION FOR SPORTS.
WE REGRET THAT MR. FAYE COULDN'T BE HERE WITH US TODAY, BUT WE INVITE YOU TO JOIN US IN SHINING OUR SPOTLIGHT AND SHARING THE APPRECIATION FOR SHARIF AND THE ENTIRE HERTZ TEAM.
THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF IN THIS PRESENTATION? ANY COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC? SEEING NONE, COULD WE HAVE A ROLL CALL VOTE ON THAT.
[4. 26-55563 Recommendation to receive and file Monthly Airport Staff Reports for July 2026. Suggested Action: Approve recommendation. ]
CAN YOU READ INTO THE RECORD ITEM FOUR? ITEM NUMBER FOUR IS A RECOMMENDATION TO RECEIVE AND FILE MONTHLY AIRPORT STAFF REPORTS FOR JULY, 2026.CAN WE HAVE THE PRESENTATION PLEASE? YES.
UH, WE ARE GOING TO JUMP RIGHT INTO OUR, OUR UPDATES.
UH, CERTAINLY, UH, THERE IS CONTINUING TO BE A LOT GOING ON THE AIRPORT WHILE WE'RE ROBUST IN OUR CONSTRUCTION, UH, AS WELL AS SEEING SOME DIFFERENT CHANGES IN AND AROUND.
AND I JUST WANNA POINT OUT THIS ONE THING BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN A, A RELIC AT THE AIRPORT FOR OVER 22 YEARS, WHICH IS THE MODULAR TRAILERS THAT USED TO BE AT THE, FOR THE RENTAL CAR COMPANIES.
AND, AND, UH, WE JUST WANTED TO MENTION THAT BECAUSE JUST THEY RECENTLY WERE REMOVED AND, AND THOSE RENTAL CAR COUNTERS ARE NOW IN THE HISTORIC TERMINAL ON THE FIRST FLOOR.
AND, AND THIS IS JUST WANTED TO MENTION THAT ONE BIG THING THAT HAS MADE A BIG DIFFERENCE, NOW YOU CAN SEE THE HISTORIC, UH, TERMINAL, UM, UNOBSTRUCTED WHEN YOU DRIVE, UH, DOWN, DOWN DONALD DOUGLAS DRIVE.
SO IT IS A BEAUTIFUL TERMINAL, AS WE ALL KNOW, UH, BUT CERTAINLY WANTED TO BRING THAT KEY, KEY FUN, FUN FACT AND CHANGE AT THE AIRPORT.
ALSO, UH, GOSH, UH, FIFA FEVER GOING ON.
AND SO, UM, MANY OF YOU KNOW THAT, UH, THE FINALS ARE HERE.
UM, NOT HERE IN LONG BEACH, BUT YOU KNOW, THEY'RE HERE THIS WEEKEND AS FAR AS, UH, JUST THE EXCITEMENT OVERALL.
AND, UH, WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO PROVIDE A GREAT PASSENGER EXPERIENCE DOING A LITTLE MINI SOCCER POPUPS.
AND I IMAGINE, UH, OUR PUBLIC AFFAIRS OFFICER DERRICK MIGHT MENTION IT A LITTLE BIT LATER IN HIS REPORT, BUT JUST SOME REALLY GREAT FEEDBACK, UM, THAT YOU'LL SEE, UM, ON THAT.
BUT WITH THAT, I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND PASS IT ON TO MONI CHA TO GIVE YOU THE FINANCIAL UPDATE.
UH, GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS, UH, IN YOUR PACKET.
THERE SHOULD BE THE COMMERCIAL FLIGHT ACTIVITY REPORT FOR MAY, 2026.
STARTING OFF THE TOP LEFT, WE SEE DELTA AIRLINES OPERATING, UH, WITH ABOUT 7,642 EMPLOYMENTS FOR THE MONTH OF MAY, UM, WHICH IS A SLIGHT, UH, DECLINE OF 3% COMPARED TO THE SAME PERIOD LAST YEAR.
WE ALSO SEE A, A HAWAIIAN AIRLINES OPERATING WITH ABOUT, UH, 10,490, UH, EMPLOYMENTS FOR THE MONTH OF MAY.
UH, THAT'S A 1% INCREASE FROM THE SAME PERIOD LAST YEAR, EVEN WITH THE SAME NUMBER OF LANDINGS THAT'S DUE TO THE INCREASED LOAD FACTOR IN THEIR FLIGHTS.
AND THEN WE HAVE, UH, SOUTHWEST AIRLINES ACCOUNTING FOR THE LION SHARE OF THE, UH, ACTIVITY FOR THE MONTH OF MAY WITH, UH, NEARLY 130,000 EMPLOYMENTS.
UM, UH, ACCOUNTED FOR IN TOTAL, THE AIRPORT SAW ABOUT A 9% DECLINE IN ACTIVITY, UM, LARGELY DUE TO SOUTHWEST AIRLINES DECLINE.
UM, MOVING ON TO THE AIR CARGO CARRIER SECTION, WE SEE THAT UPS OPERATED WITH A FEW LAST LANDINGS, UM, COMPARED TO LAST YEAR.
HOWEVER, CARGO TONNAGE ACTUALLY INCREASED, UH, ABOUT, UH, 14 UM, PERCENT, UH, TOTALING ABOUT 1,522, UH, METRIC TONS PROCESSED FOR THE MONTH OF MAY.
THAT'S, UH, THE, UH, INCREASE, UH, THAT WE'VE SEEN OVERALL, UH, SO FAR THIS YEAR, WHICH HAS LED TO ABOUT A 22% INCREASE IN THEIR ACTIVITY OVERALL YEAR TO DATE.
AND THAT CONCLUDES THIS PORTION OF THE REPORT.
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THANK YOU.NEXT WE HAVE OUR NOYCE REPORT BY OUR NOYCE OFFICER AND CAPACITY MANAGER, JUSTIN COOK.
SO WE'RE GONNA BE GOING OVER THE MONTHLY REPORT FOR MAY.
AND WE'RE GONNA TRY TO BREEZE THROUGH THIS A LITTLE BIT.
SO, UM, WHEN WE LOOK AT AIRLINE, UH, AIR CARRIER LATE NIGHT ACTIVITY BETWEEN THE HOURS OF 10:00 PM AND 11:00 PM WE HAD SIX TOTAL OPERATIONS, WHICH IS UP FROM THREE OF LAST YEAR.
UH, MOST OF THOSE WERE DUE TO MECHANICAL ISSUES DURING THAT TIMEFRAME.
UH, WE HAD ONE OPERATION FROM 11:00 PM TO 7:00 AM IT WAS ACTUALLY BETWEEN 11 AND 12.
THIS WAS, UH, IT WAS ACTUALLY A HAWAIIAN AIRLINES FLIGHT.
UM, AND THAT DID RESULT IN A VIOLATION.
MOVING ON TO VIOLATIONS, YOU'LL SEE THAT THAT IS, THAT ONE HAWAIIAN FLIGHT IS REFLECTED IN THIS TABLE.
ON PAGE FOUR, WE HAD SIX GENERAL AVIATION VIOLATIONS THAT'S DOWN FROM 12 OF LAST YEAR, UM, THAT RESULTED IN $619 IN FINES FOR THIS MONTH.
UM, AS MONI KIND OF MENTIONED, OVERALL ACTIVITY REMAINS DOWN CALENDAR YEAR TO DATE, ABOUT DOWN 27% ACROSS ALL AIRPORT KIND OF CATEGORIES.
UH, 23% MAY OVER MAY FOR GA, UM, DOWN AND AIR CARRIER ARE DOWN ABOUT 17%.
ON PAGE FIVE, YOU'LL SEE THE NOISE VIOLATORS LISTED THERE.
UH, SIX OF THOSE VIOLATIONS WERE ACOUSTICAL EXCEEDING THE MAXIMUM NOISE LIMITS.
ONE WAS A PROCEDURAL TOUCH AND GO VIOLATION.
UM, AFTER HOURS ON PAGE, UH, SIX, YOU'LL SEE OUR BREAKDOWN BETWEEN RUNWAY TWO SIX LEFT AND TWO SIX RIGHT.
LOOKING AT THE PERCENTAGES BETWEEN, UH, GA TURBO AND PROP, UM, ONLY, UH, YOU'LL SEE IT'S, IT'S ROUGHLY PRETTY CONSISTENT, UM, SINCE THE MONTH OF DECEMBER AROUND A 60 40 SPLIT IN TRAFFIC WITH TWO SIX LEFT GETTING, UH, MORE OF THE, THE MAJORITY.
UM, I'M GONNA SKIP OVER MY, MY FAVORITE TABLE.
THE NOISE MONITORING DATA AND GO TO NOISE CONCERNS.
UM, THERE WERE A TOTAL OF 22,639, UH, CONCERNS ISSUED IN MAY, UM, OF WHICH, UH, A LITTLE OVER 17,000 OR 91 HOUSEHOLDS, UM, FROM 9 0 8 0 7.
AND WITH THAT, I'LL CONCLUDE MY NOISE REPORT.
FINALLY, WE'LL HAVE OUR PUBLIC AFFAIRS OFFICER, MR. DEREK LEE.
UH, WITHIN ADVERTISING AND MARKETING, UH, WE'RE STILL CONTINUING TO MARKET OURSELF AS WE RECENTLY UNVEILED OUR NEWEST BILLBOARD ALONG INTERSTATE 4 0 5.
YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE ON THE FIRST PAGE THAT HIGHLIGHTS OUR GROWING CONNECTIVITY WITH NONSTOP SERVICE TO SEATTLE AND PORTLAND.
UH, WITHIN COMMUNITY OUTREACH IN JUNE, LONG BEACH AIRPORT HOSTED FOR TWO GROUP TOUR GROUPS TOTALING OVER 120 VISITORS, INCLUDING OUR USUAL MIX OF HOMESCHOOL STUDENTS, ELEMENTARY SCHOOL STUDENTS, UH, AND WE ALSO COORDINATED TRAINING WITH TSA FOR 50 DOGS FOR GUIDE DOGS FOR THE BLIND, TO HELP THEM AS THEY NAVIGATE LONG BEACH AIRPORT.
UH, MOST NOTABLY DURING JUNE, WE KICKED OFF THE FOURTH CONSECUTIVE YEAR OF OUR CAREERS TAKING FLIGHT EXTERNSHIP PROGRAM, UH, WITH THE FIRST COHORT BEGINNING, UH, OR GRADUATING IN JUNE 19TH.
AND THAT'S WHERE WE TAKE HIGH SCHOOLS STUDENTS FROM CABRILLO AND JORDAN HIGH SCHOOLS AND EXPOSE THEM TO AVIATION CAREERS.
UH, AND YOU SEE A PICTURE THERE OF A COUPLE OF ALUMNI THAT WERE GRADUATES OF THAT PROGRAM BECOMING SUMMER INTERNS AT LONG BEACH AIRPORT, GAINING VALUABLE WORK EXPERIENCE.
AND WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO BEGINNING OUR SECOND COHORT, UH, IN AUGUST.
MOVING ON TO CUSTOMER EXPERIENCE AS PART OF OUR ONGOING EFFORTS TO ENHANCE THE CUSTOMER EXPERIENCE, THE AIRPORT RECENTLY INSTALLED NEW CAR RENTAL SIGNS IN THE BACKSIDE OF THE HISTORIC TERMINAL.
ADDITIONALLY, THE AIRPORT HOSTED A FUN SERIES OF CONCOURSE POPUPS, AS THE DIRECTOR HAD MENTIONED, UH, OVER NINE, ALTHOUGH THROUGHOUT THE COURSE, UH, OF JUNE, THREE OF THOSE FEATURING, UH, SOCCER POPUPS, ENGAGING IN, PROVIDING A NICE, FUN ATMOSPHERE AS PEOPLE CELEBRATE, UH, THE WORLD CUP.
AND WE ALSO CELEBRATED, UH, THE LONG BEACH COAST INTRODUCTION OF THEIR MASCOT.
DEREK THE PARROT AT THE AIRPORT WITH A POPUP AND CELEBRATED NATIONAL SUNGLASSES DAY AS WELL BY PASSING OUT HUNDREDS OF FLEE FREE SUNGLASSES OF TRAVELERS AS THEY PASSED THROUGH ADDING A LITTLE EXTRA SUNSHINE TO THEIR DAY WITHIN MEDIA.
WE HAD RECORDED 216 EARNED MEDIA PLACEMENTS, DRIVEN LARGELY BY SEVERAL TOPICS OF INTEREST, INCLUDING THE INSTALLATION
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OF SIX EV SOLAR CHARGERS ON OUR AIRFIELD, UH, AS WELL AS THE PREPARATIONS I MENTIONED ACROSS THE REGION FOR THE FIFA WORLD CUP, UH, AND FEATURING LONG BEACH AIRPORT AS A CONVENIENT SIDE OF TRAVEL AS PEOPLE ARE GOING TO THE GAMES OR TO WATCH THE GAMES.UH, AND WITHIN SOCIAL MEDIA, THE AIRPORT SHARED A VARIETY OF STORIES ACROSS OUR COMMUNICATIONS CHANNELS, INCLUDING, UH, ENCOURAGING PASSENGERS TO HELP PROTECT OUR AIRPORT BY NOT FEEDING THE WILDLIFE.
HIGHLIGHTING OUR PARTNERSHIP WITH THE LONG BEACH COAST.
WELCOME OUR FUTURE GUIDE DOGS TRAINING, AND THEN AGAIN HIGHLIGHTING OUR CAREERS TAKING FLIGHT YOUTH PROGRAM.
UH, SOME STATS WITHIN OUR, OUR PRIMARY PLATFORMS, UH, THREADS WENT DOWN A LITTLE BIT.
WE LOST A FEW FOLLOWERS IN JUNE, BUT WE HAD ABOUT 68 VIEWS, UH, ON, ON THAT PLATFORM FOR THE MONTH.
FACEBOOK WAS UP TO 30,000 FOLLOWERS AND AN INCREASE WITH 30 SINCE THE LAST TIME WE REPORTED, UH, X IS STILL GOING DOWN SLIGHTLY.
WE LOST 10 FOLLOWERS LAST MONTH.
WE STILL HAVE ABOUT 16,000 FOLLOWERS.
AND, UH, INSTAGRAM WAS UP TO 17,000 FOLLOWERS WITH 200 ADDITIONAL IN JUNE WITH OUR MOST POPULAR POSTS BEING ONE OF A COLLABORATIVE BETWEEN PORTLAND AIRPORT AND LONG BEACH AIRPORT.
AS, UH, WE HIGHLIGHTED, UM, THE ROUTES FOR PORTLAND AND SEATTLE.
AND WITH THAT, UH, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT CONCLUDES STAFF'S REPORT.
ARE THERE ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FROM MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS? SEEING NONE, CAN WE HAVE A ROLL CALL ON THE MOTION, PLEASE? COMMISSIONER ARIA? YES.
[PUBLIC COMMENT Opportunity to address the Airport Advisory Commission on non-agenda items. Each speaker is limited to three minutes to make their comments unless extended by the Chair.]
DO HAVE, UM, FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, I HAVE TWO REMAINING CARDS.IS ROBIN JOHNSTON HERE OR CLARICE LEE CORDLESS? YES.
HEY, EVIDENTLY I'M THE ONLY ONE WHO FOLLOWS THE RULES.
UM, I HAVE BEEN INVOLVED WITH THE AIRPORT IN TERMS OF THE INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT WHEN WE WERE FIGHTING THAT.
AND, UM, THEY THANKED ME AT THE DAAS AT THE END.
SO THE REASON I WAS SO INVOLVED IN THAT IS I LIVED AND WORKED WITHIN A MILE OF LAX FOR 30 YEARS.
MY DAD WORKED AT DELTA, SO I WAS ALL OVER THE AIRPORT WORLD.
AND I WAS SMART ENOUGH WHEN I MOVED TO LONG BEACH TO NOT BUY ON THE FLIGHT PATH.
I LIVE ON THE EAST SIDE OVER BY EL DORADO PARK.
THOSE AIRPLANES ARE NOW FLYING OVER MY HOUSE AND I FEEL INVADED.
I MEAN, IT'S JUST, I FEEL LIKE I JUST LOST MY PROPERTY THE OTHER DAY.
I WAS TAKING FILMS OF A BUTTERFLY THAT WAS EMERGING FROM A CHRYSALIS.
AND WHEN I WENT BACK TO PLAY IT, I HEARD AIRPLANE ENGINES IN THE BACKGROUND.
I MEAN, I DID NOT BUY A PROPERTY TO HAVE TO SIT IN MY BACKYARD AND HEAR PLANES FLYING OVER.
AND WHEN I HEAR YOUR REPORT, YOU JUST DID.
AND YOU SAY THERE WERE 22,639 NOISE CONCERNS.
IS THAT NOT A PROBLEM? AND WHAT PART ARE YOU PLAYING AND FIXING IT? WHAT IS A COMMISSION? WHAT IS YOUR JOB? IS YOUR JOB JUST TO DEFLECT FOR THE COUNCIL? I MEAN, I'M REALLY BOTHERED BY HOW MUCH MONEY IS SPENT ON COMMISSIONS IN THIS CITY, AND I'M WONDERING WHAT WE GET FOR IT.
SO WHAT I'M ASKING OF YOU, I I WORKED IN AEROSPACE AS A MANAGER FOR 20 YEARS, AND ONE OF OUR CEOS THAT CAME IN, HE WANTED TO DEFINE WHAT IT IS TO BE A SUCCESSFUL MANAGER.
AND WHAT HE PUT ON, ON OUR, UH, PAPERWORK WAS, CAN THIS PERSON FIND A WAY? AND HE SAID, YOU'RE NOT ALWAYS GONNA HAVE THE AUTHORITY.
YOU'RE NOT ALWAYS GONNA HAVE THE MONEY.
YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE THE BUDGET, YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE THE MANPOWER.
YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE THE LAWS.
CAN THIS PERSON FIND A WAY? AND THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING OF YOU.
CAN YOU FIND A WAY TO INFLUENCE THIS? BECAUSE SO FAR IT LOOKS LIKE NOT, YOU HAVEN'T.
AS A MANAGER IN AEROSPACE FOR 20 YEARS, I, I ACTUALLY WAS IN CHARGE OF TRAINING FOR BUYERS AND SUBCONTRACT ADMINISTRATORS FOR ALL OF BOEING AT ONE POINT.
AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT SOLUTIONS ARE USUALLY FOUND IF YOU MOVE CLOSEST TO THE PEOPLE WHO ARE EXPERIENCING THE PROBLEM.
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AND YOU BRING IN THE STAKEHOLDERS AND YOU LET 'EM SIT AND LOOK EACH OTHER IN THE EYE, THE FIGHT GOES OUT OF IT AND THEY START LOOKING FOR A SOLUTION TOGETHER.AND YOU NEED TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
THE SITUATION HERE IS OPPOSITIONAL.
YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE BOTH SIDES COME IN AND READ TO YOU, AND YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO SORT IT OUT.
YOU NEED TO BRING THEM TOGETHER AND HA YOU KNOW, THE PEOPLE WHO ARE UNDER THAT FLIGHT PATH, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE LOTS OF IDEAS ABOUT SOLUTIONS.
THE PEOPLE WHO ARE MANAGING THESE, THESE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE FLIGHT GROUPS, THE FLIGHT TRAINING GROUPS, THEY KNOW HOW TO FIX THIS.
SO ALL I'M SAYING IS I WOULD, IF YOU CAN DO NOTHING MORE THAN RECOMMEND, RECOMMEND AN OFFSITE.
AND WHO YOU DON'T INVITE IS THE EXISTING MANAGEMENT.
THE EXISTING MANAGEMENT ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE ENTRENCHED IN THE AS IS SYSTEM.
THEY'RE ALWAYS THE OPPOSITIONAL TO MAKING CHANGE.
SO HELP US OUT HERE, WOULD YOU, I MEAN, THOSE AIRPLANES ARE FLYING ON THE EAST SIDE NOW.
THAT CONCLUDES THE, UH, PUBLIC COMMENT.
I'LL BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION.
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FINAL COMMENTS OTHER THAN A PERSONAL WELCOME AND YOU PICKED A HECK OF A MEETING TO START YOURBUT, UH, ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSIONERS? SEEING NONE, UM,
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THIS MEETING IS CONCLUDED.