Jul 28, 2026 Cultural Heritage Commission

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GOOD

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[CALL TO ORDER]

MADAM CLERK, PLEASE

[ROLL CALL]

COMMISSIONER BODEK PRESENT.

COMMISSIONER HUNTER PRESENT.

COMMISSIONER PADILLA PEREZ PRESENT.

COMMISSIONER PISO PRESENT, COMMISSIONER PRYOR, VICE CHAIR GFE PRESENT AND CHAIRMAN GU PRESENT, WE HAVE QUORUM.

THANK YOU FOR THE RECORD.

COMMISSIONER PRYOR IS EXCUSED FROM TONIGHT'S MEETING.

ARE THERE ANY OBJECTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? IF THERE ARE NONE, UM, WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE EVERYONE STAND.

[PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE]

COMMISSIONER VICE CHAIR.

UM, SFI WILL LEAD THE READY BEGIN I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO REPUBLIC REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS.

ONE NATION, ONE NATION UNDER GOD IN INVISIBLE LIBERTY JUSTICE FOR ALL.

THANK YOU.

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MADAM CLERK, PLEASE READ OUR FIRST ITEM.

[1. 26-55694 Recommendation to receive and file Director’s Report.       Suggested Action: Approve recommendation. ]

MAY I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND ON THIS ITEM? THE MOTION WAS MOVED BY COMMISSIONER HUNTER AND SECOND BY COMMISSIONER BODAK.

I WILL TURN THINGS OVER TO STAFF.

GOOD EVENING, CHAIR AND COMMISSIONERS.

UM, WE WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW ABOUT AN UPCOMING COMMUNITY WORKSHOP THAT'S BEING HOSTED BY THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT ABOUT THE HISTORIC VIP RECORDS SIGN.

THE LANDMARK SIGN.

UH, THIS IS A WORKSHOP TO GET COMMUNITY INPUT ON THE DESIGN OF A NEW PUBLIC SPACE THAT WILL CONTAIN THE HISTORIC VIP RECORDS SIGN AT THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF MARTIN LUTHER KING, JR.

AVENUE AND PACIFIC COAST HIGHWAY.

THE INTENTION OF THAT, UH, NEW COMMUNITY AND PUBLIC SPACE IS TO HONOR THE CULTURAL LEGACY AND THE IMPACT OF VIP RECORDS.

SO THIS INITIAL WORKSHOP WILL BE ABOUT, UM, SHARING MEMORIES AND STORIES OF VIP RECORDS, PROVIDING FEEDBACK ON EARLY DESIGN CONCEPTS FOR THAT NEW PUBLIC SPACE, UM, AND HELPING, UH, GET FEEDBACK ON, UH, MAKING SURE THAT THAT PUBLIC SPACE REFLECTS THE COMMUNITY'S HISTORY AND VISION.

SO THAT WORKSHOP WILL BE HELD ON THURSDAY, AUGUST 13TH, FROM SIX TO 7:30 PM AT THE MARTIN LUTHER KING JR COMMUNITY CENTER.

THAT'S, UH, 1950 LEMON AVENUE.

AND AGAIN, THAT'S THURSDAY, AUGUST 13TH AT 6:00 PM AND I'LL HAND IT BACK TO ALLISON FOR THE REST OF THE DIRECTOR'S REPORT.

OKAY.

THANK YOU MARISSA, FOR THAT UPDATE.

UM, AND NEXT I WANT TO MOVE ON TO, UM, A VERY, UH, IMPORTANT MOMENT OF RECOGNITION THIS EVENING IS, UH, COMMISSIONER TASHA HUNTER'S LAST MEETING ON THE CULTURAL HERITAGE COMMISSION.

UM, I THINK YOU MAY BE AWARE THAT COMMISSIONER HUNTER HAS SERVED, UH, ON THIS COMMISSION SINCE JANUARY OF 2018.

AND ALTHOUGH SHE HAS TERMED OUT, UH, HER IMPACT WILL, UH, CONTINUE TO BE HERE.

UH, WE REALLY APPRECIATE ALL YOU'VE DONE IN SERVING, UH, THIS COMMISSION AND THE PUBLIC AND HELPING UPLIFT AND EXPAND THE IMPORTANCE OF CULTURAL PRESERVATION, UM, AND CELEBRATION HERE IN THE CITY.

UM, YOU'VE BEEN AN INCREDIBLE PARTNER AND LEADER IN CONTRIBUTING TO PRESERVING LONG BEACH'S HISTORIC RESOURCES AND EXPANDING WHAT WE THINK OF, UM, AS THOSE RESOURCES AND YOUR LEADERSHIP HAS TRULY STRENGTHENED THE WORK HERE.

UM, ON A PERSONAL NOTE, IT'S BEEN LOVELY TO GET TO WORK WITH YOU OVER THESE LAST MANY YEARS, AND YOU'LL BE, UH, GREATLY MISSED, BUT NOT FORGOTTEN AS YOU CONTINUE TO CONTRIBUTE HERE, UH, LOCALLY AND REGIONALLY.

SO, THANK YOU SO MUCH, COMMISSIONER HUNTER, UM, UH, JUST WANNA RECOGNIZE YOU AND WE HAVE A CERTIFICATE OF RECOGNITION THAT WE'LL SHARE WITH YOU, UH, WHEN THESE REMARKS CONCLUDE AS WELL.

CHRISTOPHER? YEAH.

AND, UM, COMMISSIONER TASHA, I JUST WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE.

YOU KNOW, I'VE SPENT LESS TIME WITH YOU ON THIS COMMISSION, BUT I'VE SPENT LOTS OF TIME WITH YOU OVER THE YEARS, WHETHER IT WAS YOUR EARLIER WORK ON ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND REALLY HELPING, UM, FOLKS SEE THEIR BUSINESSES GROW AND PROSPER, WHETHER IT'S BEEN WORK ON CULTURAL INSTITUTIONS AND, UM, HOW THE CITY THINKS ABOUT THAT AND, AND MOVES FORWARD WITH, UM, YOU KNOW, TELLING SOME OF THOSE STORIES.

UM, AND, AND JUST, YOU'VE ALWAYS BEEN APPROACHABLE AND KIND AND NICE.

AND I'VE REALLY, UM, ENJOYED THE TIME TOGETHER.

AND I KNOW YOU'RE NOT GOING AWAY.

YOU'RE NOT GONNA DISAPPEAR.

SO REALLY LOOK FORWARD TO, UM, MORE TIMES TOGETHER INTO THE FUTURE.

COMMISSIONER HUNTER, I WANNA SAY IT'S BEEN A PLEASURE TO SERVE WITH YOU ON THIS COMMISSION.

UH, YOU PLAYED A PIVOTAL ROLE IN THE VISIONING PROCESS FOR THE AFRICAN AMERICAN CULTURAL CENTER, THE CAMBODIAN AMERICAN CULTURAL CENTER, AND CO-CHAIRED THE VISIONING AND REZONING PLAN FOR NORTH LONG BEACH.

YOU'VE BEEN A DEDICATED IN THE SERVICE TO REFLECT YOUR BOARD MEMBERSHIP AND APPOINTMENTS, INCLUDING THE LONG BEACH NAVY HERITAGE TRUST, THE INSTITUTE FOR INNOVATION AND ENTER ENTREPRENEURSHIP, THE KNIGHT FOUNDATION, AND HAS SPENT NINE YEARS ON THE ARTS COUNCIL OF LONG BEACH, INCLUDING THREE YEARS AS PRESIDENT.

YOU WERE ALSO HONORED IN 2024 BY THE US REPRESENTATIVE NANETTE, WITH THE COMMUNITY ACTIVIST AWARD FOR CONTRIBUTIONS TO SOCIETY, A MOTHER OF THREE, WITH ASPIRATIONS TO RETURN BACK TO SCHOOL TO EARN HER DOCTORATE DEGREE IN SAVING THE WORLD.

ONE MORE ITEM BEFORE YOU LEAVE.

HAVE YOU COMPLETED YOUR ANNUAL CODE OF CONDUCT AND ETHICS TRAINING?

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THANK YOU.

AND ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS WOULD LIKE TO WISH THEIR THANK YOU? UH, YES.

UH, IN THE WORDS OF CHRISTOPHER KOONS, UH, COMMISSIONER TASHA , I JUST WANNA THANK YOU FOR, UM, BEING A FRIEND AND BEING A MODEL, UH, OF, UM, WHAT IT MEANS TO STAND UP FOR EQUITY AND DIVERSITY AND TO TEACH OTHERS, UH, WHO ARE ALSO ON THAT JOURNEY AND TO SUPPORT THOSE WHO STILL HAVE, UH, ROOM TO GROW.

UH, AND YOU DO IT WITH SUCH GRACE AND INTEGRITY, AND I ALWAYS APPRECIATE, UH, THAT WE SHARE THOSE COMMON INTERESTS, BUT C CLEARLY COME FROM, UH, DIFFERENT SPACES IN HOW WE OPERATE, AND THAT WE ARE ABLE TO FIND SHARED INTERESTS WITH THAT.

AND THAT IS BECAUSE YOU ARE GENUINELY A KIND PERSON, AND THAT IS SO IMPORTANT, UH, IN SOCIETY TODAY.

AND I AM PROUD TO KNOW YOU AND I WILL CONTINUE TO BE PROUD TO KNOW YOU.

UH, AND THANK YOU.

OH, THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK AT THIS? YES, I WOULD.

COMMISSIONER HUNTER, IT HAS BEEN SUCH AN HONOR TO SERVE WITH YOU, EVEN THOUGH I'VE ONLY BEEN ON THIS COMMISSION WITH YOU FOR A SHORT TIME.

BUT I GREATLY AND DEEPLY APPRECIATE EVERYTHING THAT YOU'VE DONE FOR OUR COMMUNITY IN THE PAST, WHAT YOU CONTINUE TO DO PRESENTLY.

AND I KNOW WHAT YOU WILL DEFINITELY CONTINUE TO DO IN THE FUTURE.

'CAUSE YOU JUST CAN'T HELP YOURSELF.

YOU'RE JUST THAT KIND OF LADY.

SO I APPRECIATE IT VERY MUCH AND I LOOK FORWARD TO SPENDING MORE TIME OUT IN, IN THE WILD WITH YOU NOW THAT WE'RE NOT ON THE COMMISSION TOGETHER.

, UH, I, I'D ALSO LIKE TO SAY IT HAS BEEN, IT IS BEEN REALLY GOOD WORKING WITH YOU.

I DIDN'T PREPARE ANYTHING, BUT I, I HAVE APPRECIATED, THERE WERE CERTAIN, UM, THINGS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT THAT YOU, YOU BROUGHT SO MUCH LIGHT TO THAT, THAT I DON'T THINK, UH, ANY, ANYBODY ELSE WOULD AS THE WAY YOU WERE ABLE TO.

SO WE, I, I APPRECIATE ALL THE TIME AND I'M SURE WE'RE GONNA BE SEEING YOU IN OTHER THINGS BECAUSE YOU'RE ALWAYS, YOU ALWAYS SEEM TO BE INVOLVED IN SOMETHING.

SO THANKS FOR YOUR, ALL, ALL OF YOUR HARD WORK.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER HUNTER.

I, I GUESS I'M THE LAST ONE.

SO, UH, , WE HAVEN'T HAD THE HUGE OPPORTUNITY OF A, A LONG TERM, UH, 'CAUSE I HAVEN'T BEEN ON THE COMMISSION QUITE, NOT EVEN HALF AS LONG AS YOU HAVE.

AND I'M QUITE IMPRESSED BY THE LONGEVITY AND THE AMOUNT YOU'VE SERVED AND HOW YOU'VE AFFECTED SO MANY PEOPLE.

UM, AND YOU'VE GIVEN SO MUCH, UM, TO THE COMMISSION AND TO LONG BEACH.

AND SO THANK YOU.

AND I WISH YOU ALL THE BEST ON EVERYTHING YOU'RE GONNA DO.

'CAUSE I KNOW YOU'LL DO A LOT.

SO, UM, ALL THE BEST FOR THE FUTURE.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH.

UM, I'M NOT USED TO ALL THIS.

UM, SO I DO APPRECIATE IT.

AND I WANNA THANK ALL OF MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS, UM, PAST AND PRESENT, AND FOR THE STAFF FOR THANK YOU FOR WELCOMING ME.

UM, I'M THE ARTIST.

I'M THE CREATIVE, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT THE ARCHITECT, SO I'VE LEARNED SO MUCH FROM YOU ALL ABOUT RIBBON, DRIVEWAYS AND, AND VINYL WINDOWS AND ALL OF THE WONDERFUL THINGS.

I'VE LEARNED SO MUCH.

AND I'VE BEEN ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, REALLY UNDERSTAND OUR CITY AND THE APPRECIATION THAT I HAVE FOR LONG BEACH.

AND ALSO WANNA THANK THE COMMUNITY PEOPLE THAT COME HERE WEEKLY TO UPHOLD THIS HISTORY OF OUR LONG BEACH.

AND I DO APPRECIATE THAT.

UM, I THINK THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT.

IT'S, IT'S BEEN A WONDERFUL JOURNEY.

I LOVE THE WORK THAT I DO.

I LOVE CULTURE.

I LOVE LONG BEACH.

AND, UM, MY NEXT PROJECT IS THE LARGEST PROJECT IN THE WORLD, AND I'M SO VERY HAPPY TO BE ABLE TO CONTINUE TO SERVE, UM, LONG BEACH IN THAT WAY.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

AND CONGRATULATIONS.

PERHAPS IF WE COULD JUST INVITE THE COMMISSION DOWN FOR A QUICK PHOTO WITH TASHA ON HER CERTIFICATE.

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ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THE DIRECTOR'S REPORT, PLEASE LINE UP AT THE PODIUM REGARDING THIS ITEM ON THE DIRECTOR'S REPORT.

YES, IF THERE ARE NONE VIRTUALLY, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO PROVIDE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM, PLEASE USE THE RAISE HAND FEATURE.

NOW.

IF DIALING IN TELEPHONICALLY, PRESS STAR NINE NOW.

SEE NONE.

THAT CONCLUDES PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM.

THANK YOU.

UH, MADAM CLERK, PLEASE CALL FOR THE VOTE.

MOTION IS CARRIED.

THANK YOU, MADAM CLERK, PLEASE READ THE NEXT ITEM.

ITEM NUMBER TWO

[2. 26-55695 Recommendation to approve the minutes for the Cultural Heritage Commission meeting of Tuesday, June 30, 2026.       Suggested Action: Approve recommendation. ]

MAY I HAVE A, A MOTION AND A SECOND PLEASE? MOTION HAS BEEN MOTION BY COMMISSIONER PADILLA PEREZ AND SECOND BY COMMISSIONER PIZO.

ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING THE MINUTES FROM THE JUNE 30TH MEETING? CITY COUNCIL? MAY I ASK A QUESTION AS I WAS NOT THERE? SHOULD I ABSTAIN OR I HAVE REVIEWED THEM? IF YOU'VE REVIEWED, THEN YOU'RE ABLE TO VOTE.

THANK YOU.

ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? WE'LL NOW TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT.

ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THE MINUTES FROM THE MEETING? JUNE 30TH, 2026.

PLEASE LINE UP AT THE PODIUM IF THERE ARE NONE VIRTUALLY.

IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO PROVIDE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM, PLEASE USE YOUR RAISE HAND FEATURE.

NOW.

IF DIALING IN TELEPHONICALLY, PRESS STAR NINE NOW.

SEE NONE.

THAT CONCLUDES PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM.

THANK YOU.

UH, MADAM CLERK, PLEASE CALL FOR THE VOTE.

COMMISSIONER HUNTER.

THANK YOU.

MOTION IS CARRIED.

THANK YOU.

UH, MADAM CLERK, PLEASE READ THE NEXT ITEM.

ITEM NUMBER THREE IS A

[3. 26-55697 Recommendation to receive and file a presentation of the draft Objective Design Standards for Accessory Dwelling Units on historic properties.       Suggested Action: Approve recommendation. ]

MAY I HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND ON THIS ITEM? IT'S BEEN MOVED BY COMMISSIONER BODAK AND SECOND BY COMMISSIONER PEZO.

I'LL TURN THINGS OVER TO STAFF FOR THE PRESENTATION.

THANK YOU, CHAIR AND COMMISSIONER.

SO, UM, AS WE NOTED LAST MONTH, WE'RE IN A PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD FOR ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE FEEDBACK ON THE DRAFT OBJECTIVE DESIGN STANDARDS, UM, THAT STAFF HAVE DEVELOPED, UM, FOR, UM, HISTORIC PROPERTIES.

UM, AND WANTED TO BRING BEFORE YOU A STUDY SESSION TO HELP GIVE YOU A LITTLE MORE CONTEXT ON THE, UM, UM, THE REGULATORY FRAMEWORK AND WHAT OUR OPTIONS ARE WITHIN THAT.

UM, AS WELL AS TO GO OVER THE DRAFT STANDARDS WHILE WE'RE HERE IN THE, UM, COMMENT PERIOD.

SO I WILL PASS IT OVER TO OUR SENIOR PRESERVATION PLANNER,

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UH, GOOD EVENING CHAIR, UH, VICE CHAIR AND COMMISSIONERS.

I'M HERE TO PRESENT, UH, THE, UH, DRAFT OBJECTIVE DESIGN STANDARDS, UH, FOR ADUS.

OKAY.

UM, SO THERE IS A LOT OF INFORMATION IN HERE, SO, SO PLEASE BEAR WITH US.

UH, WE ARE GONNA GO OVER QUITE A BIT, UH, BUT, UH, WE WILL TRY TO PRESENT IT AS CLEARLY AS WE CAN TONIGHT.

UM, SO THE MAIN PURPOSE TONIGHT, UH, IS TO PRESENT, UH, THE OBJECTIVE DESIGN STANDARDS.

UH, THESE RELATE SPECIFICALLY TO ADUS FOR HISTORIC PROPERTIES.

SO THAT COULD BE AN HISTORIC LANDMARK PROPERTY, OR IT CAN BE AN HISTORIC DISTRICT PROPERTY.

UH, THE COMMISSION IN SOME WAY, SHAPE OR FORM, HAS, UH, SEEN ADUS, UM, OVER THE LAST 10 YEARS, UH, TO SOME DEGREE.

UH, BUT THAT LAW OR THOSE LAWS AND AMENDMENTS, UH, HAVE CHANGED, UH, PRETTY FREQUENTLY OVER TIME.

AND SO PART OF THE REASON THAT WE'RE HERE IS TO CREATE A STUDY SESSION, UH, TO GO OVER A LOT OF THIS INFORMATION TONIGHT.

AND WITHIN, WITH A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL, UH, AS PART OF THE STUDY SESSION, WE DO INVITE, UH, PUBLIC COMMENT AS WELL AS THE COMMISSION'S PUBLIC COMMENT.

UH, SO RIGHT NOW, I'LL JUST POINT OUT THAT FOR THE PUBLIC, UH, YOU CAN LOOK AT THE DRAFT OBJECTIVE DESIGN STANDARDS, WHICH ARE ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE@LONGBEACH.GOV SLASH ADU.

HISTORIC.

UH, THE LINK IS ALSO, UH, IN THE, UH, SLIDE THERE.

UH, THE DRAFT STANDARDS HAVE BEEN, UH, ON THE WEBPAGE, UH, FOR A LITTLE OVER A MONTH NOW.

I THINK THEY WERE POSTED, UH, IN LATE JUNE.

UH, COMMON DEADLINE ENDS JULY 31ST.

UH, SO FOR THAT, UH, WE INVITE THE PUBLIC TO REACH OUT, UH, TO THE CITY.

THEY CAN REACH OUT TO CITY STAFF.

UH, ALSO THERE IS AN EMAIL ON THE WEBSITE WHERE THEY CAN DIRECT, UH, THOSE COMMENTS.

UH, AS MENTIONED, UH, IT IS REALLY IMPORTANT AS PART OF THE STUDY SESSION TO GET, UH, THE PUBLIC'S FEEDBACK AS WELL AS THE COMMISSION'S FEEDBACK, UH, WHICH WILL BE CONSIDERED AS PART OF THE REVISION PROCESS BEFORE THE ORDINANCE GETS BROUGHT BACK, UH, FOR ADOPTION.

OKAY.

UM, JUST TO KIND OF ADD A LITTLE BIT MORE FRAMEWORK HERE, UM, WE REALLY WANT TO GO OVER WHAT THE BACKGROUND IS FOR A DU LAWS, THE IMPACT THAT IT HAS ON THE LOCAL REVIEW PROCESS HERE, UH, FOR PROPERTIES IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS.

UH, WE ALSO WANT TO GIVE AN OVERVIEW AND EXPLAIN WHAT THOSE DESI, UH, DE DESIGN STANDARDS, UH, WILL LOOK LIKE.

UH, WE ALSO, AS MENTIONED, WANNA PROVIDE MORE INFORMATION ON WHERE THEY CAN BE REVIEWED, UH, BY THE PUBLIC.

AND AGAIN, WE ARE SOLICITING COMMENTS, UH, AS PART OF THIS PROCESS.

OKAY.

UM, THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA HAS PASSED SEVERAL HOUSING LAWS OVER THE LAST 10 YEARS, UH, REALLY INTENDED TO STREAMLINE LOCAL APPROVAL FOR HOUSING, DEVELOP DEVELOPMENTS THAT IS REALLY THE MAIN OBJECTIVE, UH, WITH LAWS RELATED TO EDS, AS WELL AS MANY OTHER LAWS, UH, RELATING TO THE HOUSING CRISIS.

UM, SO THAT IS REALLY THE INTENT WITH THIS, UH, WITH THESE LAWS HERE.

AND THAT RELATES TO US AT A LOCAL LEVEL, UH, BECAUSE THEN WE HAVE TO FOLLOW UP WITH WHERE THE LAW SORT OF STANDS AND WHERE IT CHANGES OVER TIME.

UH, JUST TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE TIMELINE, LONG BEACH HAS GONE WHEN ADUS FIRST STARTED TO ESSENTIALLY ZERO, UH, 10 YEARS AGO TO A CURRENT RATE OF ABOUT 700 TO 800 DU.

UH, WHICH IS PRETTY REMARKABLY HIGH IN A LARGE NUMBER, UH, THAT THE CITY APPROVES EVERY YEAR.

UH, STATE LAW, UM, PERMITS THE CITY TO ADOPT A LOCAL A DU ORDINANCE.

SO IT IS IMPORTANT THAT, UH, THE STATE DID GRANT SOME FLEXIBILITY, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING, UH, IS THE INTENTION TO ADOPT A, A LOCAL A DU ORDINANCE TAILORED TO LONG BEACH.

SO, AGAIN, A LITTLE BIT MORE BACKGROUNDING CONTEXT.

UH, THE CITY AT SOME POINT IN TIME IN 2017, UH, DID HAVE, UH, AN IDEA ORDINANCE IN PLACE.

UM, BUT DUE TO DIFFERENT CHANGES IN LAW, EXCUSE ME, UM, LARGE PART OF THAT LOCAL ORDINANCE IS NO LONGER, UH, VALID OR OR VOID IN THIS CASE.

SO THAT IS REALLY SORT OF THE BIG PICTURE.

THE CITY IS PREPARING A LARGER LOCAL A DU ORDINANCE THAT'S GOING TO BE INCORPORATED INTO THE CITY'S MUNICIPAL CODE, AND IT'LL APPLY CITYWIDE.

SO WHAT THIS COMMISSION IS LOOKING AT TONIGHT IS REALLY SPECIFIC DESIGN STANDARDS, UH, FOR HISTORIC PROPERTIES THAT WILL BE INCORPORATED INTO THE LARGER, UM, A DU ORDINANCE OF BEING PROPOSED FOR THE MUNICIPAL.

AND JUST, UH, AS PART OF THE, UH, AS PART OF THE EFFORT, THE CITY'S PREPARED THE DRAFT OBJECTIVES, UH, WHICH YOU CAN, OR EXCUSE ME, THE DRAFT OBJECTIVE DESIGN STANDARDS, UH, WHICH ARE IN YOUR PACKET, UH, AS ATTACHMENT A.

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UH, SO WE MENTIONED A LOT ABOUT STATE LAW HERE.

THAT HAS HAPPENED, UH, EXTENSIVELY.

WE AS A CITY HAVE SUMMARIZED A LOT OF THAT INFORMATION IN THE BULLETIN PZ DASH 0 0 1.

UH, RIGHT NOW, THAT IS WHAT THE CITY IS CURRENTLY WORKING FROM.

UH, IT IS A BULLETIN THAT'S, UH, AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC, UH, THAT THE PUBLIC CAN USE TO, TO PREPARE ANY PROJECT, TO PREPARE ANY ED SPECIFICALLY IN AN HISTORIC PROPERTY.

UH, WHICH GIVES YOU A SUMMARY OF THE STATE LAWS AS THEY CURRENTLY, UH, SIT TODAY.

UH, THOSE STANDARDS ARE VERY SPECIFIC.

UH, SO THE OUTLINE, THE NUMBER, THE TYPE SIZE OF PERMITTED ADU, HEIGHT LIMITS, SETBACKS, UH, ALL THE DIFFERENT DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS THAT YOU WOULD TYPICALLY FIND, UH, IN A ZONING CODE ARE SUMMARIZED IN, IN THIS DOCUMENT HERE.

AND JUST OVER TIME, AGAIN, UH, THOSE LAWS CHANGE.

SO WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE FOLLOW UP AND MAKE SURE THAT WE OR, UM, INCLUDE THOSE CHANGES INTO EITHER FUTURE ORDINANCE OR INTO THAT BULLETIN.

LET'S SEE.

SO AS MENTIONED, YEAH, IT HAS CHANGED OVER TIME.

UM, OUR FIRST INITIAL ORDINANCE WAS IN 2017.

UH, THIS GIVES YOU KIND OF A LITTLE TIMELINE OF WHEN THINGS HAPPENED, UM, AT STATE LEVEL AND HOW THE CITY RESPONDED IN THAT TIMELINE.

UH, AS MENTIONED, DUE TO THE MULTIPLE CHANGES, UH, THE LOCAL ORDINANCE BECAME, UH, NULL AND VOID.

UM, A LOT OF THOSE, WHILE THERE ARE STILL COMPONENTS TO IT, UH, THERE ARE THAT ARE IN, IN THE BOOKS.

THE INTENTION, AGAIN, IS TO REPLACE IT WITH SOMETHING THAT IS COMPLIANT WITH STATE LAW.

UH, TO JUST GO INTO A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL ABOUT, UM, TIMING.

UH, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT FOR ANY PROJECT APPLICANT, AN OWNER, A DESIGNER, AN ARCHITECT, UH, OR AN ENGINEER THAT IS WORKING ON A PROJECT, UH, TO DO AN A DU IN THE CITY, UH, THEY ARE REQUIRED TO BE DONE IN A, IN A QUICK TIMELINE HERE.

UM, SO HERE FOR US, UH, THE CITY HAS TO MAKE A DETERMINATION ON WHETHER AN APPLICATION IS COMPLETE.

AND WHAT THAT MEANS IS, IS THAT WE HAVE ALL OF THE INFORMATION, UH, THAT THE CITY NEEDS IN ORDER TO REVIEW, UH, A PROJECT.

AND THAT'S WHAT WE MEAN BY COMPLETE IN THIS LANGUAGE HERE.

SO THAT HAS TO BE DONE WITHIN 15 DAYS.

ONCE WE DETERMINE THAT THE APPLICATION IS COMPLETE, THEN WE HAVE 60 DAYS, UH, FOR PROCESSING ALL NECESSARY PERMITS AND PLAN APPROVAL.

UM, AS YOU KNOW, UH, OR MAYBE, MAYBE DON'T KNOW, ADUS ARE REQUIRED BY STATE LAW TO BE APPROVED ADMINISTRATIVELY.

UH, SO THAT MEANS, UH, NO HEARINGS, NO ENTITLEMENTS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

UM, ALL RIGHT.

SO, YOU KNOW, JUST TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND ON WHAT OUR CURRENT A DU PROCESS LOOKS LIKE.

UM, WHEN WE TAKE IN AN APPLICATION, IT'S, IT'S CURRENTLY REVIEWED UNDER A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.

UH, THE PLANNING BUREAU REVIEWS EVERYTHING FOR COMPLIANCE WITH, UH, THE AD DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS.

UH, AND WE MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS BASED ON THE DESIGN GUIDELINES.

UH, SO AS THIS COMMISSION KNOWS, UM, THE CITY DOES HAVE DESIGN GUIDELINES, UH, WHICH ARE SEPARATE, AND WE'LL GO INTO A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL, UH, LATER IN THIS PRESENTATION.

BUT RIGHT NOW, WE MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS, UH, ONLY BASED ON THE DESIGN GUIDELINES, WHICH GIVE YOU MORE INFORMATION ABOUT, UM, YOUR HISTORIC ARCHITECTURAL, UM, BUILDING THE STYLE, WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE, WHAT YOU WOULD FIND IN, FOR EXAMPLE, A CRAFTSMAN STYLE BUILDING OR SOMETHING SIMILAR.

UH, AS MENTIONED, THERE IS A TIMELINE FOR APPROVAL WITH THESE, UH, PROJECTS.

UH, THEY'RE ALL PRESCRIBED BY STATE LAW, AND BY AND LARGE, THE CITY CANNOT DENY OR PREVENT, UH, AUTOMATIC APPROVAL OF A DU, UH, FOR ISSUES RELATED TO CONFORMANCE, UH, WITH THE DESIGN GUIDELINES.

SO, UH, WE'VE KIND OF SUMMARIZED A LOT OF THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS.

UM, AND, UH, RIGHT NOW, STAFF PROPOSES THAT A LOCAL, UM, EDU ORDINANCE ESTABLISH, UH, SORT OF A SEPARATE, UM, SORT OF CLEARANCE.

SO WE'RE CALLING IT ADMINISTRATIVE CLEARANCE, UH, FOR AN EDU AND HISTORIC DISTRICT.

SO WHAT THAT'LL MEAN, IT'LL BE SOMETHING DIFFERENT, UH, THAT GETS REVIEWED AGAINST, UH, THE OBJECTIVE DESIGN STANDARDS ONCE THOSE GO INTO, UH, THE MUNICIPAL CODE.

AND WE'LL GO THROUGH A CLEARANCE PROCESS, UM, AT STAFF LEVEL.

UM, IF, FOR EXAMPLE, UM, HOPEFULLY YOU'VE BEEN ABLE TO KIND OF SEE MOST OF THE DESIGN GUIDELINES.

IT'LL REALLY ESSENTIALLY BE DESIGN STANDARDS.

I APOLOGIZE.

UH, IF YOU ESSENTIALLY MEET ALL THOSE DESIGN STANDARDS, IT'S ALMOST LIKE A CHECKLIST, UH, FOR CITY STAFF.

SO WE REVIEW THEM, WE MAKE SURE THAT IT MEETS THOSE, UH, IF FOR WHATEVER REASON IT DOES NOT, UH, THEN IT'S ALMOST LIKE A, A ZONING CODE, UH, TYPE OF, UM, REGULATION WHERE WE'RE ABLE TO THEN ISSUE, UH, CORRECTIONS IF NEEDED.

SO WE WILL, UM,

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UM, SO IN FACT, I THINK WE HAD, UH, TWO VERY RECENTLY THAT WENT TO THIS COMMISSION WHERE THERE IS A CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW STRUCTURE OR AN ADDITION THAT'S GREATER THAN 250 SQUARE FEET.

ALL OF THAT STUFF STILL REQUIRES, UH, CHC APPROVAL.

UH, BUT THERE ARE GONNA BE PROJECTS THAT STILL INCLUDE AN A DU, UH, AND FOR EXAMPLE, A NEW GARAGE OR ANOTHER ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, UH, WHICH THE COMMISSION WILL CONTINUE TO SEE.

HOWEVER, ADUS, AGAIN, WILL STILL GO UNDER THE OBJECTIVE DESIGN STANDARDS.

AND WILL YOU BE APPROVED SEPARATELY? OKAY.

UM, SO THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN DESIGN GUIDELINES AND OBJECTIVE STANDARDS, UM, SO YOU'VE HEARD ME ALLUDE TO IT A LITTLE BIT HERE, UH, IN THIS PRESENTATION.

BUT THE DESIGN GUIDELINES, UH, WHICH ARE, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE HAVE NOW THAT WERE DONE, UH, ROUGHLY 10 YEARS AGO, UH, THOSE ARE BASED ON THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS.

AND AS THIS COMMISSION KNOWS, WELL, THE STANDARDS ARE A NATIONAL, UH, GUIDELINE THAT ARE USED BY HISTORIC PRESERVATION CONSULTANTS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY.

UM, IT'S BUILT OVER MANY, MANY YEARS.

SO THE GUIDANCE, UH, IS BASED ON PAST EXAMPLES, DEMONSTRATIONS ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

UH, WHERE IT GETS TRICKY AND WHERE IT IS DIFFERENT FROM A DESIGN STANDARD, UH, IS THAT THE GUIDELINES USE WORDS SUCH AS ENCOURAGED, SHOULD NOT RECOMMENDED.

UH, SO THEY'RE NOT REALLY OBJECTIVE AND OR QUANTIFIABLE STANDARDS UNDER STATE LAW.

UM, YOU KNOW, A REALLY GOOD EXAMPLE OF, UM, SORT OF THE DIFFERENCES IS, UM, WITH THE ZONING CODE, FOR EXAMPLE, YOU MIGHT HAVE TO BUILD A NEW HOUSE THAT HAS A DISTANCE OF ABOUT FOUR FEET TO THE SIDE PROPERTY LINE.

UH, SO IT'S, ONE WAY TO THINK OF IT IS IT'S EITHER FOUR FEET OR IT'S NOT.

IF IT'S FOUR FEET, UH, YOU'RE IN COMPLIANCE.

UH, AND IF IT'S LESS THAN FOUR FEET, THEN IT'S OUTTA COMPLIANCE.

OKAY? HERE IS WHAT CALIFORNIA GOVERNMENT CODE, UH, SAYS SPECIFICALLY, OR DEFINES, UH, OBJECTIVE DESIGN STANDARDS AS, UH, SO IT SAYS THE FOLLOWING, THIS IS A DESIGN STANDARD THAT INVOLVES NO PERSONAL OR SUBJECTIVE JUDGMENT BY A PUBLIC OFFICIAL, AND IS UNIFORMLY VERIFIABLE BY REFERENCE TO AN EXTERNAL AND UNIFORM BENCHMARK OR CRITERION AVAILABLE AND NOBLE BY BOTH DEVELOPMENT APPLICANT OR PROPONENT AND THE PUBLIC OFFICIAL BEFORE SUBMITTAL OF AN APPLICATION.

SO IT'S REALLY THE INTENT, UH, THAT YOU, IT'D BE VERY, VERY CLEAR WHEN YOU START A PROJECT BEFORE YOU GO TO THE CITY, UH, WHAT THOSE REQUIREMENTS ARE.

UM, PART OF THE CHALLENGE WITH US AT STAFF LEVEL IS, IS THAT, UM, SOME OF THOSE THINGS, UH, WITH THE DESIGN GUIDELINES THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE ARE A LITTLE BIT CHALLENGING.

AND YOU DON'T KNOW UNTIL YOU MEET, UH, WITH SOMEBODY AT CITY STAFF, OR IF YOU HAVE SOMEONE, UH, WHO'S EXPERIENCED KNOWLEDGEABLE, UH, WORKING ON YOUR PROJECT TO GUIDE THAT PROJECT IN TERMS OF WHETHER OR NOT THAT WILL MEET, UM, THE CRITERIA.

SO THIS, IN CONTRAST IS VERY CLEAR, IT'S VERY DECISIVE, AND IT'S IN THE CODE.

SO YOU HAVE THE OBJECTIVE OF SAYING, IF WE MEET ALL OF THE CRITERIA, IT'S IN THOSE OBJECTIVES, WE SHOULD GET AN APPROVAL.

SO THAT IS THE SORT OF THE WHOLE GOAL HERE.

UM, SO AGAIN, FOLLOWING UP ON, ON THE OBJECTIVE DESIGN STANDARDS, UH, THEY'VE GOTTA BE QUANTIFIABLE, CLEAR, PREDICTABLE, FIXED, UM, THAT IS REALLY KIND OF THE GOAL WITH THESE THINGS.

UM, IT REALLY ALSO, AGAIN, HELPS REMOVE ANY JUDGMENT OR SUBJECTIVITY FROM PUBLIC OFFICIALS.

UM, SO AGAIN, IT WAS AN EXAMPLE I GAVE WITH THE ZONING CODE, UH, SETBACK REQUIREMENT.

BUT, UH, IN THE HISTORIC WORLD, I MEAN, IT COULD BE ANYTHING LIKE, UM, AS AN EXAMPLE, UM, WOOD SIDING ON A BUILDING.

UM, IF YOU'RE TRYING TO FIX IT, UM, YOU KNOW, WHETHER OR NOT IT'S, HOW IT'S APPLIED, IS IT SHIPLAP, UH, IS IT CLAPBOARD, UH, WHAT THE SIZE OF IT IS.

UH, SO THERE ARE VERY UNIQUE THINGS ABOUT A BUILDING THAT, UH, WE WOULD TYPICALLY GUIDE YOU ON, UH, BUT THAT YOU MAY NOT KNOW, UM, GOING INTO A PROJECT UNTIL YOU ACTUALLY SPEAK TO CITY STAFF.

OKAY.

UH, I KNOW THAT WAS A LOT OF WORDS, A LOT OF SLIDES, AND I KNOW WE'RE GOING THROUGH THEM QUICK, SO I APOLOGIZE.

WE DO HAVE SOME GRAPHICS HERE.

UH, WE DO HAVE SOME, SOME MORE INTERESTING STUFF HERE THAT WILL HOPEFULLY HELP EXPLAIN THINGS, UH, A LITTLE BIT MORE IN DETAIL HERE.

UM, ALRIGHT.

SO THIS IS ONE EXAMPLE THAT WE HAVE OF THE SEPARATION REQUIREMENT.

UM, SO WE MADE SOMETHING HERE THAT WE BELIEVE IS QUANTIFIABLE OBJECTIVE THAT, UH, SOMEBODY SHOULD BE ABLE TO DETERMINE AS A DESIGN PROFESSIONAL, UH, VERY CLEARLY AND COME INTO THE COUNTER AND HAVE A PLAN THAT CAN BE APPROVED.

UH, SO THE SEPARATION REQUIREMENT IS REALLY A

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UH, SO THE NADU AT THE FAR CORNER THERE, UH, THAT IS THE PROPOSED A DU OR NEW A DU.

THE E HOUSE IS A EXISTING HOUSE THERE, AND E GARAGE IS THE EXISTING GARAGE THERE.

SO WE LOOKED AT, UM, LOT SIZES AND, UM, HISTORIC DISTRICTS.

AND SO WE CAME UP WITH A FUNCTION OF USING SORT OF, UM, SORT OF A VERY STANDARD LOT SIZE, WHICH IS ABOUT A HUNDRED FEET.

UH, MOST OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICTS NOT ALL, UH, HAVE STANDARD OR HAVE LOT SIZES THAT ARE BY AND LARGE, UH, A HUNDRED FEET.

AND THAT'S, THAT'S THE SIZE THAT YOU'LL COMMONLY FIND IN EACH OF THOSE DISTRICTS.

UM, SO IN THIS EXAMPLE HERE, IT SAYS LOTS GREATER THAN OR EQUAL TO A HUNDRED FEET IN DEPTH.

UH, WE'LL HAVE A MINIMUM SEPARATION OF 10 FEET BETWEEN THE PRIMARY BUILDING AND THE A DU.

SO IF YOUR LOT IS OVER A HUNDRED FEET, UH, YOU'LL HAVE TO HAVE AT LEAST A MINIMUM SEPARATION OF 10 FEET BETWEEN YOUR A DU AND YOUR HOUSE.

UH, GIVEN THAT WE HAVE SOME LOTS, UH, THAT ARE LESS THAN A HUNDRED FEET IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS, WE ALSO HAVE A STANDARD THERE.

UH, SO LOTS LESS THAN A HUNDRED FEET IN DEPTH.

UH, WE'LL HAVE A MINIMUM SEPARATION OF 10% OF THE LOT DEPTH, UH, BETWEEN THE PRIMARY BUILDING AND THE EDU.

SO IN THIS CASE, THIS LOT OR THE SECOND LOT DOWN BELOW, UH, IS A 75 FOOT DEEP LOT.

UH, SO THAT WOULD BE ABOUT, UH, 7.5, UH, FEET WOULD BE THE MINIMUM REQUIRED SEPARATION.

SO WE MENTIONED, UH, THAT WE DID TAKE A LOOK AT LO DEPTH, UM, IN SOME OF OUR HISTORIC DISTRICTS.

UH, THIS SLIDE SHOWS A COUPLE OF, UM, HISTORIC DISTRICT PROPERTIES OR, UM, NEIGHBORHOODS AND DISTRICTS.

UH, SO THE MORE VERTICAL ONE IS DRAKE WILMORE.

UH, THE ONE TO THE RIGHT IS BELMONT HEIGHTS.

UH, THE LEGEND, IF YOU CAN SEE IT, UH, IS THE LAVENDER COLOR.

THERE ARE PROPERTIES ARE A HUNDRED FEET IN LENGTH, UM, EXACTLY.

UH, AND, UH, THE BEIGE, I GUESS WE'LL SAY IS, UM, PROPERTY IS GREATER THAN A HUNDRED FEET IN LENGTH.

AND THE GRAY ONES ARE THE ONES, UH, THAT ARE LESS THAN A HUNDRED FEET.

UM, SO YOU CAN KIND OF SEE MOST OF THE BEIGE, UM, SORT OF COVERS MOST OF THOSE TWO MAPS.

UH, SO THAT'S A LOT OF THE REASON THAT WE WENT, UH, WITH, UH, 100 FEET IS, IS THE STANDARD.

WE'LL SHOW A COUPLE MORE HERE.

UH, THIS IS THE SUNRISE BOULEVARD, UH, HISTORIC DISTRICT, UH, ON THE LEFT AND THE HOLMAN STREET CRAFTSMAN VILLAGE, UH, HISTORIC DISTRICT ON THE RIGHT.

UH, AGAIN, YOU SEE THE BULK OF IT IS LOTS THAT ARE A HUNDRED FEET OR MORE.

OKAY.

UH, THIS IS, UH, AN EXAMPLE THAT WE HAVE, UM, AGAIN FOR BUILDING SEPARATION.

UH, WHERE THERE IS A PROJECT, UH, THAT AS AT THE VERY BACK THERE, IT'S, UM, CONFIGURATION IS SORT OF, UM, ON A WIDE SORT OF PROPORTION AS OPPOSED TO THE LONG VERSION THAT THE HOUSE IS THERE.

UM, BUT THE SEPARATION HERE, WE HAVE A HUNDRED FOOT LOT.

UM, SO IN THIS CASE, THEY PROPOSED A LITTLE LESS THAN EIGHT FEET, WHICH WAS ALLOWED UNDER THE CODE.

UM, RIGHT NOW, THE ADUS, AND THIS IS SORT OF THE OTHER TRICKY PART, IS, IS THAT WE DO HAVE STILL ZONING CODE REQUIREMENTS THAT THEY STILL HAVE TO MEET.

UH, SO RIGHT NOW THIS IS ALLOWED, THEY ARE PROPOSING AN EIGHT FOOT SETBACK IN THIS CASE.

UH, SO THIS, SO THE OBJECTIVE DESIGN STANDARDS WOULD THEN, IN THIS CASE, REQUIRE, UH, 10 FEET OF SEPARATION BETWEEN THE TWO STRUCTURES, BECAUSE A LOT IS A HUNDRED FEET.

UM, PREVIOUSLY THERE WAS NOT A SPECIFIC, UH, STANDARD IN THE DESIGN GUIDELINES THAT, UM, SET ANY, UM, CRITERIA FOR HOW SEPARATE TWO BUILDINGS NEEDED TO BE.

OKAY.

UH, THIS SLIDE HERE IS, UH, AN EXAMPLE OF THE HEIGHT STANDARD AND THE OBJECTIVE AND THE DRAFT, UM, OBJECTIVE DESIGN STANDARDS HERE.

AND I APOLOGIZE, THIS IS, UH, I KNOW IT LOOKS VERY SIMILAR TO THE, THE PAST EXAMPLE HERE.

UM, BUT, UM, THIS IS MORE OF A PROFILE VIEW.

UH, SO IF YOU'RE, UM, STANDING AND LOOKING AT A, LOOKING AT A CORNER LOT, OR IF YOU'RE LOOKING OVER YOUR, UH, NEIGHBOR'S FENCE, UH, YOU, THIS IS BASICALLY A VIEW FROM THE SIDE OF THE PROPERTY WHERE YOU SEE BOTH THE HOUSE, UH, AND IN THIS CASE, UH, IN A DU.

UM, SO HEIGHT UNDER THE PROPOSED, UH, UH, DESIGN STANDARDS, UH, LOTS GREATER THAN EQUAL TO OR EQUAL TO A HUNDRED FEET IN

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THE A DU MAY BE UP TO 20 FEET TALL.

UM, SO HERE, UH, WE ARE REALLY SORT OF ENCOURAGING A LOT OF THE LARGER HEIGHT, UH, TO BE 20 FEET, BUT FURTHER BACK FROM THE PRIMARY BUILDING.

SO THE IDEA IS THAT YOU'RE PUSHING THE MASS BACK, UH, TOWARDS THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY, UH, SO THAT IT'S, UH, FURTHER AWAY, UH, FROM THE PRIMARY, UH, DWELLING ON LOTS THAT ARE LESS THAN A HUNDRED FEET.

UH, THERE'S A MINIMUM SEPARATION.

UH, THE EDU SHALL NOT EXCEED THE HEIGHT OF THE PRIMARY, UH, BUILDING.

SO IN THIS CASE HERE, UH, IF YOU DO HAVE A SMALLER LOT, IT JUST CANNOT, UM, EXCEED THE HEIGHT OF THE PRIMARY, UH, DWELLING UNIT.

UM, A LOT OF OUR HISTORIC BUILDINGS, UH, CAN RANGE IN HEIGHT, UM, BUT, UH, THOSE ARE USUALLY BETWEEN LIKE, I DUNNO, 18 TO 22, UH, FEET, OR MAYBE LOWER THAN THAT, BUT 18 TO 20.

UM, SO YOU STILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO STILL BUILD AN A DU.

UM, IT JUST, IT'S A MATTER OF SORT OF ADJUSTING, UM, SORT OF THE MASS AND WHERE YOU PLACE IT ON THE PROPERTY.

ALEJANDRO? YES.

CAN I ASK A QUESTION? YES.

OR SHOULD WE WAIT TILL THE END? YEAH, WE CAN ASK A QUESTION THERE.

JUST ABOUT THAT LAST, WHAT, WHAT IS YOUR BASELINE FOR THE HEIGHT? SO TYPICALLY, I THINK YOU GUYS USE THE CURB HEIGHT.

SO IS THAT THE SAME FOR THE, FOR THE SECOND A DU? BECAUSE THE, THE DIAGRAM INDICATES THAT IT'S LIKE SORT OF THE GRADE, RIGHT? RIGHT OUTSIDE THE Y YES, THAT'S, THAT'S CORRECT.

SO IT'LL STILL BE, UH, TOP OF CURB, UH, AND THE HEIGHT, UH, WILL BE MEASURED TO, UH, THE MIDPOINT OF THE ROOF.

AND WE HAVE TO MAKE A DIAGRAM SIMPLE 'CAUSE THAT'S HOW DIAGRAMS WORK.

BUT I'LL JUST SAY THERE'S LIKE 12 DIFFERENT EXCEPTIONS TO HOW HEIGHT IS MEASURED.

IF THE LOT IS ON A HILL AND THERE'S MORE THAN FIVE FEET IN GRADE CHANGE, UM, CERTAIN, UM, CIRCUMSTANCES IF THE GRADE OF THE LOT IS SIGNIFICANTLY DIFFERENT THAN THE GRADE OF THE CURB.

BUT WE'RE TRYING TO SHOW YOU JUST IN GENERAL HOW IT'S GONNA WORK NINE TIMES OUTTA 10.

AND THEN THERE'S ALL OF THOSE EXCEPTIONS THAT MAKE PLANNING FUN, .

OKAY.

UH, LET'S SEE.

UH, OKAY.

UH, SO THIS IS JUST KIND OF ILLUSTRATING THE LAST EXAMPLE SAID IN PLAN VIEW.

UH, AGAIN, UH, THIS IS A VIEW OF THE SIDE, UH, AND WHAT, UM, WHAT STRUCTURES WOULD ESSENTIALLY LOOK LIKE HERE IN THIS CASE HERE.

UH, SO IN THIS CASE, LET'S SEE, THE FRONT BUILDING, WHICH IS A BLUE ONE.

UH, THE ONE THAT'S CLOSEST TO THE STREET IS ABOUT 19 FEET, 10 INCHES.

AND THE NEW STRUCTURE IS RIGHT WITHIN THAT HEIGHT, UM, BUT ALSO, UH, PRETTY CLOSE TO ONE ANOTHER.

IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY.

THIS ONE WAS ALSO, UH, LESS THAN 10 FEET OF SEPARATION AS WELL.

UH, SO IN THIS ONE WE JUST KIND OF WANTED TO SEE, SHOW YOU AND ILLUSTRATE TO YOU WHAT SOMETHING LIKE THIS WOULD LOOK LIKE, UH, WITH A REAL SET OF DRAWINGS AND PLANS.

OKAY.

A LOT OF THE STANDARDS WERE REALLY, THAT WE JUST DISCUSSED, WERE REALLY ABOUT PLACEMENT, UH, BUILDINGS, UH, ON THE PROPERTY, UH, PLACEMENT OF, UM, HEIGHT AND WHERE YOU CAN PLACE THE HEIGHT AT.

UM, THE OTHER PART OF THIS IS, UH, ROOF FORM AND MATERIALS.

UH, SO A LOT OF WHAT THIS COMMISSION, UH, LOOKS AT AND DEALS WITH, AND A LOT OF CITY STAFF, UH, ALSO LOOK AT AS WELL, UM, ARE MAKING SURE THAT A BUILDING JUST IN SHAPE, IN FORM, UH, AND FOOTPRINT, UM, ARE STILL REALLY COMPATIBLE, UH, WITH THE HISTORIC BUILDING.

SO ANYTIME YOU HAVE NEW CONSTRUCTION, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THINGS ARE STILL COMPATIBLE, UH, IN A WAY THAT THEY COMPLIMENT ONE ANOTHER, UH, BUT NOT BE AN EXACT MATCH.

UH, SO, UH, THE PART OF THE REGULATION HERE IS, IS THAT, UM, OR THE PROPOSED IS THAT ROOF FORMS MUST BE A HIP OR A GABLE.

UH, YOU CAN DO A FLAT WHEN THE PRIMARY BUILDING, UM, IS FLAT.

SO IF YOU HAVE A SPANISH STYLE HOUSE, UH, AND THERE IS A FLAT ROOF ON THAT BUILDING, THEN YOUR NEW, UH, A DU CAN ALSO HAVE A, A FLAT ROOF.

UM, ROOF MATERIALS, UH, HAVE TO BE EST TILE, UH, REC, CLEAR TILE ROOF, OR A COMPOSITION SHINGLE, UH, OR ROLLED, UH, ROOFING AS WELL.

UH, WALL CLADDING MUST MATCH, UH, THE PRIMARY BUILDINGS.

UH, WINDOWS MUST HAVE SILL TRIMS AND WINDOW RECESS.

UH, WINDOWS MUST BE DOUBLE HUNG, SINGLE HUNG ENC CASEMENT FIXED OR HOPPER OR ON STYLE.

UM, I THINK THE COMMISSION ALL KIND OF ALREADY KNOWS THIS PART, BUT WHY IS THIS IMPORTANT? IT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE IT'S ACTUALLY BEING WRITTEN INTO THE CODE NOW.

SO IT'S ACTUALLY WRITTEN IN, UH, AS A STANDARD THAT

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I THINK THIS IS WHAT THIS COMMISSION, UH, INTUITIVELY KNOWS WHAT TO LOOK FOR BECAUSE OF YOUR EXPERIENCE, UM, YOUR BACKGROUND PROFESSIONALLY, OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE.

UH, BUT AGAIN, THIS IS NOT FAMILIAR TO A LOT OF, UH, FOLKS.

UH, SO MAKING IT STANDARDIZED, UM, IN A WAY THAT IT, WE JUST KIND OF LOOK AT IT AS A CHECKLIST, MAKES LIFE EASIER FOR EVERYBODY, AND, UH, IS INTENDED TO STREAMLINE THIS, THIS PROCESS HERE.

OKAY.

UM, SO NEXT STEPS.

UM, THE DRAFT, UH, DESIGN STANDARDS, UH, ALIGN WITH STATE LAW FOR PURPOSES OF STREAMLINING APPROVAL.

UM, THAT'S REALLY SORT OF THE GOAL.

UH, THE PUBLIC COMMENT AS MENTIONED, UH, ENDS JULY 31ST.

UH, STAFF WILL CONSIDER ALL PUBLIC, UH, AND CHC COMMENTS DURING CHC STUDY SESSION AND WRITTEN COMMENTS, UH, RECEIVED BY THE DEADLINE.

UH, THE LOCAL EDU ORDINANCE, UH, WITH THE OBJECTIVE DESIGN STANDARDS WILL, WILL EVENTUALLY BE PRESENTED AS THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL IN LATE FALL OR WINTER.

UH, ALL COMMENTS DURING THESE HEARINGS, UH, WILL ALSO BE CONSIDERED AS PART OF THIS PROCESS.

UH, LASTLY, HCD, UH, IS HOUSING COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT IS, UH, A STATE AGENCY THAT, UH, REGULATES, UH, ADUS AND IS THE ONE WRITING AND CHANGING, UH, THE LAWS RELATED TO, UH, THIS SUBJECT.

UH, SO ANY ADDITIONAL CHANGES IN REVISIONS THAT THEY HAVE WILL ALSO BE, UH, INCORPORATED AS WELL.

OKAY.

UH, THAT CONCLUDES, UH, STAFF'S PRESENTATION.

UH, WE ARE OPEN FOR QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU FOR THAT PRESENTATION AT THIS TIME.

WOULD OPEN UP FOR THE COMMISSIONERS IF THEY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING THE, THE CURRENT PROJECT COMMISSIONER PERILLA PEREZ.

I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS.

UM, PRIMARILY MY CONCERN IS, UM, IN SECTION 21 POINT 16.535 DETACHED ADUS AS WELL AS SECTION 21 POINT 16.545 CONVERSION ADUS.

UM, ITEM NUMBER TWO ALLOWS FOR AN A DU TO BE CONSTRUCTED IN A FRONT YARD IF THE REAR OR SIDES, UM, DO NOT PROVIDE FOR ENOUGH OPEN SPACE FOR AN A DU TO BE CONSTRUCTED.

UM, MY ASSUMPTION IS THAT THAT'S GONNA BE LIKE A VERY, VERY LAST CASE SCENARIO.

AND THAT IT'S, IT'S, IT'S IF, IF A A DU WAS PRESENTED THAT WAY IN THE FRONT YARD WITHOUT TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION THE SPACE IN THE REAR AND THE SIDE THAT STAFF'S INTENTION IS THAT IT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN, THEY'RE, THAT THEY'RE GONNA BE ASKED TO CONFORM TO THE REAR OR THE SIDE.

I JUST WANT IT TO BE CLEAR, UM, THAT THAT'S, THAT THAT IS THE INTENTION.

UM, I MEAN, I, I'M ASSUMING THAT'S BEING ALLOWABLE BECAUSE OF STATE LAW, WHICH ISN'T REALLY MUCH WE CAN DO ABOUT THAT, I'M ASSUMING.

SO, UM, THAT, DO YOU WANT ME TO LIST OFF JUST THE, AND YOU CAN ADDRESS 'EM ONE BY ONE, OR DO YOU WANT ME TO JUST GIVE YOU TIME TO RESPOND? YEAH, I'M, I'M HERE NODDING.

BUT YES, THE INTENTION IS TO, UM, UH, DISINCENTIVIZE AND, AND, UH, UH, DISCOURAGE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, UH, LOCATION IN THE FRONT YARD.

WE KNOW UNDER THE STATE AND A DU ORDINANCE, THAT WOULD BE AN OPTION, BUT THE IDEA IS TO MAKE THAT THE LAST, UH, POSSIBLE OPTION WHENEVER WE CAN.

OKAY.

UM, MY OTHER QUESTION IS IN TERMS OF WINDOWS, IT IS VERY CLEAR WHAT TYPES ARE ALLOWABLE AND THAT THERE HAS TO BE A SETBACK, BUT IT DOESN'T MENTION ANYTHING ABOUT MATERIALITY.

WILL THAT CONTINUE TO DEFER TO DESIGN GUIDELINES, OR IS THAT GONNA JUST BE ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS, OR HOW DOES THAT WORK? THERE'S A SPECIFIC PROHIBITION ON VINYL WINDOWS.

OTHER WINDOW MATERIALS WOULD BE PERMITTED.

OKAY.

SO BASICALLY EVERYTHING IS ALLOWABLE EXCEPT FOR VINYL.

THAT'S CORRECT.

WHETHER IT'S LIKE, LIKE IF SOMEONE'S PROPOSING ALUMINUM, BUT IT'S A CRAFTSMAN STYLE, A DU, IS THAT STILL PERMISSIBLE OR WILL THERE BE KIND OF LIKE A, A, A PUSH TO MAYBE DO FIBERGLASS INSTEAD? OR WOULD THE ONLY PROHIBITION THAT'S WRITTEN INTO THE DESIGN STANDARDS CURRENTLY IS FOR VINYL WITH THE INTENTION THAT THERE ARE NUMEROUS OTHER WINDOW MATERIALS THAT ARE ECONOMICAL AND CAN BE COMPATIBLE WITH THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, WITH THE ADDITION OF WINDOW TRIM, THE RECESS AND A SILL, UH, AND THE STYLE OF WINDOW, UH, SORT OF CONSISTENT WITH HISTORIC ARCHITECTURAL STYLES.

OKAY.

BECAUSE I SEE FOR THE DOORS YOU'VE PRESENTED SPECIFIC

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IS THERE GONNA BE SOME KIND OF LIST PROVIDED FOR SPECIFIC WINDOW PRODUCTS THAT ARE ACCEPTABLE TO HELP THE PUBLIC TO MAKE THOSE COSTS? UH, DETERMIN AND STYLE DETERMINATIONS, OR, I THINK WE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO WRITE SPECIFIC PRODUCTS INTO THE MUNICIPAL CODE.

UH, WE COULD CONSIDER A SIMILAR FIGURE MM-HMM .

TO THE DOOR STYLES THAT WE'VE SHOWN, UH, TO PROVIDE SOME EXAMPLES OF THE WINDOW TYPES THAT ARE PERMITTED.

WE CAN THINK ABOUT THAT AS A, AS AN ADDITION.

OKAY.

UM, UM, COMMISSIONER PADILLA PARIS, UH, JUST TO FOLLOW UP TOO, UM, UH, REGARDING, UH, YOUR, YOUR COMMENTS, UH, FOR WINDOWS, UM, WHAT WE HAVE WRITTEN IN HERE IS ALSO, UH, COMPATIBLE OR, OR IN CONJUNCTION WITH, UH, THE SUBSTITUTE MATERIALS ORDINANCE MM-HMM .

UH, SO THAT'S PART OF THE REASON THAT IT'S, IT'S WRITTEN THAT WAY CURRENTLY RIGHT NOW UNDER THAT, UM, UNDER THAT RULE.

UM, YOU CAN DO THAT WITH ANY NEW DETACHED CONSTRUCTION.

YOU CAN USE SUBSTITUTE MATERIALS.

UH, I, WE CANNOT MAKE, UM, FOLLOWING UP ON THE DOORS TOO.

UH, WHILE WE CAN'T MAKE, UH, OR ANY RECOMMENDATIONS FOR ANY SPECIFIC MATERIALS, UH, WE KNOW THAT LONG BEACH HERITAGE ALSO HAS A, A LIST OF, UM, FOLKS, UH, THAT, UM, ARE SPECIALIZED AND HAVE EXPERIENCE IN THIS TYPE OF WORK.

SO WE CAN ALWAYS ADVISE THEM TO GO SEE LONG BEACH HERITAGE.

OKAY.

AND I THINK THOSE WERE MY ONLY QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU.

IF I COULD PIGGYBACK ON THAT, THIS IS COMMISSIONER PIZZA.

UM, THOSE ARE VERY GREAT QUESTIONS 'CAUSE THEY WERE SIMILAR TO SOME OF MINE, BUT JUST TO KIND OF FOLLOW UP ON, UM, SOME OTHER THINGS THAT, UM, CAME TO MIND.

NOW, FIRST OF ALL, I DO LIKE THE IDEA OF THE DIAGRAM, A DIAGRAMS FOR THE WINDOWS AS WELL AS YOU'VE DONE FOR THE DOORS, BECAUSE I THINK, YOU KNOW, A LAYPERSON MAYBE DOESN'T KNOW WHAT A DOUBLE HUNG WINDOW EVEN LOOKS LIKE.

AND ON A CRAFTSMAN, MAYBE A DOUBLE HUNG WINDOW IS MORE DECORATIVE THAN A DOUBLE HUNG WINDOW ON A DIFFERENT STRUCTURE.

SO JUST SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT.

UM, I ALSO NOTICED ON THE DOORS, IT'S NOT CLEAR IF THERE'S GLASS IN TENSION IN THEM, UM, NOTHING'S NOTED.

SO IT JUST LOOKS LIKE MAYBE IT'S A PANEL DOOR, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THE INTENTION IS THAT GLASS WOULD BE ALLOWED AT A FRONT DOOR, UM, IN ONE OF THE LIGHTS, LIKE THE UPPER ONE IN THE MIDDLE, UM, ET CETERA.

SO THOSE ARE THINGS THAT COULD BE HELP MORE HELPFUL, UM, FOR PEOPLE.

UM, I ALSO, UM, IN TERMS OF THE, WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE FRONT, UH, A DU VERSUS THE SIDE AND THE BACK, UM, IT SEEMS THAT IF IT WERE TO GO ON THE FRONT OF A ATTACHED A DU THAT WOULD DESTRUCT PART OF THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE.