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RIGHT HERE.HOW'S IT GOING? OH, COMMISSIONER DE BENEDICTUS IS ONLINE.
LET'S, IF I'M GETTING A NEW ONE.
PHILIP, CAN WE, UH, CALL TO, OR
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ABSOLUTELY.UM, CAN WE DO ROLL CALL PLEASE?
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COMMISSIONER NOVE? HERE.HERE WE HAVE QUORUM FOR TODAY'S MEETING.
COMMISSIONER D BENEDICTUS IS PARTICIPATING REMOTELY AND WE'RE NOW READ A STATEMENT, UH, PURSUANT TO GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 5 4 9 5 3 8 3, SECTION C TWO.
I HAVE JUST CAUSED CIRCUMSTANCES AUTHORIZING MY REMOTE PARTICIPATION IN THIS PUBLIC MEETING.
UH, I HAVE A CONTAGIOUS ILLNESS AND NO ONE UNDER THE AGE OF 18 AGE OR OLDER, NO ONE 18 YEARS OF AGE OR OLDER IS IN THE ROOM WITH ME.
THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER DEAN BENEDICTUS, AND WE, UH, HOPE THAT YOU FEEL BETTER SOON.
UM, MOVING ON TO THE AGENDA RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE
[1. 26-55819 Recommendation to approve the minutes for the Ethics Commission meeting of Wednesday, June 10, 2026. Suggested Action: Approve recommendation. ]
THE MINUTES OF THE ETHICS MEETING OF WEDNESDAY, JUNE 10TH, 2026.MAY I GET A MOTION FOR THIS ITEM? SO, MOVE.
MAY I HAVE A SECOND? WE HAD TO TAKE A VERBAL BECAUSE OF THE HYBRID, SO WE HAD A MOTION BY, UH, I BELIEVE IT WAS, UH, VICE CHAIR EATON.
AND THEN WE'LL USE THE SECOND, UH, FROM COMMISSIONER GILLETTE.
UM, IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM? SEEING NONE, WE WILL NOW TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT AT THIS TIME, IF THERE ARE ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, PLEASE APPROACH THE PODIUM.
IF THERE ARE ANY, UH, MEMBERS, UH, OF THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM IN THE ZOOM CONFERENCE, PLEASE JUST RAISE YOUR HAND OR USE THE DIAL NINE FEATURE IN THE CALL.
SEEING NONE, WE CAN MOVE TO A VOTE.
COMMISSIONER D BENEDICTUS AYE.
[2. 26-55820 Recommendation to receive and file a biannual update from the Office of Ethics and Transparency’s Public Records Act Program. Suggested Action: Approve recommendation. ]
AND FILE A BIANNUAL UPDATE OF FROM THE OFFICE OF ETHICS AND TRANSPARENCY PUBLIC RECORDS ACT PROGRAM.THAT WAS A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER NOVE AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER GILL.
UM, IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER NOVE AND SECONDED BY, UH, COMMISSIONER GILL.
UM, IS THERE A REPORT ON THIS ITEM? HI, CHAIR.
SO, AS, UM, THE CHAIR WAS SAYING, THIS IS OUR BIANNUAL UPDATE, SO WE DO THIS IN FEBRUARY AND AUGUST.
UM, SO WE'RE JUST GONNA PICK UP WHERE WE LEFT OFF SIX MONTHS AGO.
JUST A REMINDER, UM, FOR ALL OF US, OUR PROCESS, UM, IS COORDINATED BY THE OET, OF COURSE, IN PARTNERSHIP WITH ALL OF OUR CITY DEPARTMENTS.
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SO OUR UPDATE TODAY IS GONNA PROVIDE, UH, CURRENT PRA WORKLOAD TRENDS SINCE OUR LAST REPORT.DEPARTMENTAL IMPACTS CONTEXT ON WHY SOME REQUESTS REMAIN OPEN, LONGER ONGOING STRATEGIES TO IMPROVE TRANSPARENCY AND EFFICIENCY THAT THE OET, UM, HAS PUT INTO PLACE.
AND, UH, JUST TO SHARE THAT THE DATA RE REFLECTS A SNAPSHOT AS OF AUGUST 7TH, 26TH.
SO OUR PROCESS, JUST A QUICK HIGH LEVEL OVERVIEW.
UH, THERE'S AN INITIAL DETERMINATION ISSUED WITHIN THE STATUTORY TIMEFRAME.
THAT'S THE 10 DAYS TO, UM, DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT RECORDS EXIST.
UH, WE DO THE RECORD SEARCH, REVIEW, AND REDACTIONS, UH, RECORDS ARE RELEASED EITHER, UM, A SINGLE PRODUCTION OR ON A ROLLING BASIS FOR THE LARGER MORE COMPLEX REQUESTS.
AND THEN THE REQUEST IS CLOSED ONCE ALL RESPONSIVE RECORDS ARE RELEASED.
I DO WANNA HIGHLIGHT THAT SOME DEPARTMENTS ARE CURRENTLY OPERATING UNDER EXTENDED RELEASE TIMELINES.
THIS IS DUE TO A HIGH VOLUME OF REQUESTS THAT KEEP, UH, THE TREND CONTINUES TO GO UP WITH LIMITED STAFFING.
SO, UM, A LOT OF US, INCLUDING THE CITY MANAGER'S DEPARTMENT, WE'RE QUOTING RELEASE DATES 90 DAYS OUT.
AND THIS INCLUDES THE ROLLING RELEASES.
UM, AND THIS IS SOMETHING I'VE SHARED OVER THE LAST SEVERAL MONTHS.
SO, AN OVERVIEW OR CONTINUED OVERVIEW, WE USE GOV QA, UM, AS OUR TRACKING SYSTEM.
SO DATA OVERVIEW PENDING PRAS CITYWIDE.
THIS IS NON-POLICE DEPARTMENT.
AS WE KNOW, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, UH, MANAGES THEIR OWN PRA PROGRAM AND NON-MEDICAL.
THEN WE HAVE 60 TO 89 DAYS, 90 TO 180 DAYS, AND THEN 181 PLUS THE STATUS OF AGE PRAS DEPARTMENTAL IMPACTS MULTI-DEPARTMENTAL AND HIGH PROFILE REQUESTS.
SO A SNAPSHOT AGAIN AS OF AUGUST 7TH.
RIGHT NOW WE HAVE 481, UH, 30 TO 59 DAYS OLD, 94 60 TO 89 DAYS OLD, 44 90 TO 180 23.
EACH OPEN REQUEST IS COUNTED ONCE BASED ON ITS CURRENT AGE.
AGAIN, THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE MEDICAL RECORDS REQUESTS, WHICH ARE ALSO HANDLED IN GOV QA.
SO MULTI-DEPARTMENT AND HIGH PROFILE REQUESTS.
THESE ARE TYPICALLY MANAGED THROUGH THE CITY MANAGER'S DEPARTMENT THROUGH OUR RECORDS COORDINATOR IN THE OFFICE OF ETHICS AND TRANSPARENCY.
WE'VE GOT, UH, A TOTAL OF 203 PRAS THAT, UH, FIT THAT PROFILE.
30 TO 59 DAYS, 50 60 TO 89 DAYS.
AND THEN OVER 180, WE HAVE NINE.
SO, FACTORS CONTRIBUTING TO LONGER RUNNING.
PS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE.
OPEN PRA REQUESTS MAY REFLECT DIFFERENT STAGES OF PROCESSING AND DO NOT NECESSARILY INDICATE DELAY OR INACTIVITY.
SOME COMMON REASONS FOR REQUESTS REMAINING OPEN INCLUDE, UM, THE RECORDS DO EXIST, BUT ARE BEING REVIEWED FOR FUTURE SCHEDULED RELEASE DATE, UH, RECORDS PREPARATION OR ROLLING RELEASE IN PROGRESS.
AGAIN, THIS IS FOR MOST OF THE TIME THE BIGGER, UM, MORE VOLUMINOUS REQUESTS, AND THAT'S WITH PROJECTED OR UPDATED RELEASE DATES, UM, THAT WE PROVIDE THROUGHOUT THAT WHOLE PROCESS.
IT ALSO DEPENDS ON THE COMPLEXITY OF THE REQUEST.
UM, LARGE RECORD VOLUMES, COMPLEX REDACTIONS, REDACTIONS TAKE CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF TIME, UM, OR COORDINATION ACROSS MULTIPLE DEPARTMENTS.
SO IT'S ONE THING TO BE RETRIEVING RECORDS FROM ONE DEPARTMENT, BUT THEN WHEN WE'VE GOT FIVE DEPARTMENTS THAT MY TEAM, UM, IS NAVIGATING AND TRYING TO PULL ALL OF THAT TOGETHER, THAT CAN TAKE SOME TIME.
UM, SOME REQUESTS AREN'T VERY CLEAR, SO WE, UH, HAVE TO ASK REQUEST CLARIFICATION OR WE HAVE FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS.
SO AT THAT POINT, WE'RE AT THE REQUESTERS MERCY, IF YOU WILL, UM, TO GET BACK TO US FINAL NOTIFICATION THAT NO ADDITIONAL RECORDS WERE LOCATED OR SYSTEM CLOSURE AFTER RECORDS HAVE ALREADY BEEN RELEASED.
UM, AND THEN WE HAVE VACANCIES AND STAFF COVERING OTHER DUTIES A LOT, MOST OF THE TIME.
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WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE OFFICE OF ETHICS AND TRANSPARENCY, THIS PRAS TEND TO BE, UM, OTHER DUTIES AS ASSIGNED FOR MOST STAFF.UM, AND THAT IS USUALLY, UM, NOT NECESSARILY KIND OF FIGHTING FOR A PRIORITY ON SOMEONE'S TO-DO LIST.
SO THIS OF COURSE AFFECTS RELEASE DATES AND THEN OVERDUE RELEASES ARE RARE, AND WE ARE ACTIVELY MONITORING IN THIS INSTANCE, REQUESTER WILL BE PROVIDED WITH AN UPDATED RELEASE DATE.
A QUICK COMPARISON, UM, 2024, WE HAD A TOTAL OF 3,687.
UM, WE CLOSED 3,687 PRAS AND 3,814 WERE SUBMITTED.
AND AS OF AUGUST 7TH OF THIS YEAR, UH, WE'VE CLOSED 30 ALMOST, OR 3,112 WITH A SUBMISSION OF 3,600.
SO WITH THOSE NUMBERS, UM, IT WERE PROJECTED TO SURPASS LAST YEAR'S NUMBERS.
DEPARTMENTAL IMPACTS, I'VE SPOKEN ABOUT THIS A LITTLE BIT, UM, JUST A FEW MINUTES AGO.
UH, CERTAIN DEPARTMENTS CONTINUE TO BE MORE IMPACTED BY THE VOLUME OF PRAS RECEIVE VERSUS OTHERS.
SO OUR TOP FOUR, UH, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT RECEIVES THE MOST.
THEY'RE ABOUT 30% OF THE TOTAL, UM, REQUESTS, UH, RIGHT NOW, UH, OPERATIONAL, WHAT WE'RE CALLING BOTTLENECKS.
SO THE LIAISON IN THAT DEPARTMENT IS TRANSITIONING TO ANOTHER ROLE.
UM, SO THEY NOW HAVE TWO JOBS RIGHT NOW.
SO THAT DUAL ROLE STRAIN CAN CAUSE DELAYS AND BACKLOGS.
UM, OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT, THAT'S 21% OF TOTAL REQUESTS, UH, HIGH PRA VOLUME PLUS UNTRACKED, AMBULANCE MEDICAL RECORDS.
UH, SO ACTUAL WORKLOAD EXCEEDS OFFICIAL PRA STATISTICS.
AND THEN THE CITY MANAGER, UH, WE'RE AT 18%.
UH, WE GET, UM, ROUGHLY 723 REQUESTS A YEAR.
SO WE MANAGE HIGH PROFILE, WE MANAGE MEDIA AND WE MANAGE THE LEGISLATIVE DEPARTMENT'S.
UM, AS YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD A VACANCY FOR SEVERAL MONTHS.
UH, SO WE ARE DOING THAT OVER THE LAST SEVERAL MONTHS, UH, WITH A VACANCY.
SO THAT TENDS TO ADD TO, UH, PS SOMETIMES TAKING A LITTLE BIT LONGER TO RELEASE.
UM, WE'VE GOT THE HIGH PROFILE.
SOMETIMES THOSE ARE MORE LEGALLY COMPLEX.
AND THEN, UH, LABOR INTENSIVE, INTENSIVE.
N-A-P-R-A TAKES A LOT OF WORK TO, TO GET READY FOR RELEASE.
THERE ARE NUMBER FOUR WITH ABOUT 295 REQUESTS A YEAR.
UM, THEY ARE TRANSITIONING TO A NEW LIAISON.
THIS IS THE THIRD LIAISON, I BELIEVE, WITHIN THE LAST YEAR.
UM, SO A LOT OF BACKTRACKING, UM, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO GET THE NEW LIAISONS UP TO SPEED.
AND OF COURSE, THIS LIAISON, THIS IS NOT THEIR ONLY JOB IN THAT DEPARTMENT.
SO, UM, MULTITASKING LIMITS BANDWIDTH.
ERIC, THE CLICKER'S NOT WORKING.
SO, PRA CHALLENGES, SOLUTIONS AND NEEDS.
UM, SO OUR CHALLENGES, WE HAVE TWO PERSON, UH, RECORDS COORDINATOR OFFICE THAT WE MANAGE CITYWIDE, UH, PRA OVERSIGHT.
AGAIN, WE'VE HAD A VACANCY FOR SEVERAL MONTHS, UM, WHICH HAS BEEN FILLED.
AND I'LL TALK ABOUT THAT MORE IN MY, UM, EO REPORT WE'VE RELIED ON.
SO IN THE MEANTIME, WE'VE RELIED ON TEMPORARY COVERAGE, AND THAT WAS PRIMARILY FOR PHONES AND, UH, WALK-INS.
WE DO HAVE A NEW ASSISTANT, UM, AMANDA, THAT I'LL TALK ABOUT IN MY EO REPORT, TRAINING DEMANDS WITHOUT ADDED CAPACITY.
UM, AND AGAIN, WE DON'T HAVE AN INDEPENDENT BUDGET AS YOU KNOW, FOR PRA TOOLS, BUT WE CONTINUE, UM, TO DO WHAT WE CAN WITH WHAT WE GOT, WHICH I BELIEVE WE'RE DOING A GOOD JOB.
UM, AND THEN INCREASING REQUEST VOLUME, I'VE SAID IT BEFORE, IT CONTINUES TO GO UP.
UM, SHORT TERM SOLUTIONS, WE HAVE AN SOP, UM, A DRAFT SOP THAT SHOULD BE FINALIZED NEXT MONTH.
UM, EXTENDED PROCESSING TIMES, WHICH WE'VE DONE ENCOURAGING ROLLING BASIS RELEASES, UM, WHICH MOST DEPARTMENTS ARE STARTING TO DO THAT AS NEEDED.
UM, WE'VE REALLY FOCUSED A LOT OF ENERGY AND EFFORT INTO OUR MICRO TRAININGS.
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OUR LUNCH AND LEARNS AND OFFICE HOURS, INCREASED TARGETED DEPARTMENTS.UM, WE'VE UPDATED AND CREATED A LOT OF RESOURCES.
AND THEN OUR NEWSLETTER, UM, STILL CONTINUES TO BE A PRIMARY, UH, COMMUNICATION TOOL, LONG-TERM NEEDS.
THAT'S NOT JUST FOR THE OET, THAT'S CITYWIDE, UM, INCREASED BUDGET TRAINING CAPACITY.
AND THEN, UM, JUST CAPACITY ALIGNED WITH REQUEST VOLUME AND COMPLEXITY.
AND THEN RECORDS RETENTION HAS COME UP DURING THE LAST SEVERAL PRESENTATIONS.
SO THIS IS JUST A QUICK SNAPSHOT, UM, OF WHERE WE LANDED LAST YEAR IN 2025.
UM, WE HAD A DESTRUCTION OF 438 BOXES OF RECORDS AND TRANSFERRED 220.
AND THAT'S THE END OF THAT BIANNUAL UPDATE.
UM, SO I KNOW THAT YOU, UH, I KNOW THAT OET HAS BEEN SHORT STAFFED, AND I HEAR YOU ON THE STAFFING CHALLENGES IN THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS WHERE THERE, FOR EXAMPLE, IN COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, UM, WE STARTED SEEKING UPDATES ON PRA STATUS BECAUSE WE HAD THE SAME SITUATION WHERE PRAS JUST WEREN'T A PRIORITY IN A NUMBER OF DEPARTMENTS.
UM, YOU DID A LOT OF WORK
I FEEL LIKE WITH THE BUDGET CHALLENGES COMING UP FOR NEXT YEAR, WE'RE SETTING OURSELVES UP FOR DETERIORATION, FURTHER DETERIORATION, UM, AM I WRONG? IS, I MEAN, WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS RELATIVE TO ADEQUATE STAFFING SO THAT WE CAN RESPOND ON A, ON A TIMELY BASIS AND THE THE NUMBERS DON'T GO FURTHER SOUTH? WELL, GIVEN THE BUDGET CRISIS THAT WE'RE IN NOW, IT'S NOT GONNA GET MUCH BETTER.
UM, WE'RE DEFINITELY NOT DOING A LOT OF HIRING.
UM, SO IT'S STILL GONNA BE A LOT OF WORK FOR ALL ASSIGNED FOR STAFF ASSIGNED TO PRAS.
UM, WE JUST CONTINUE WHAT WE'RE DOING.
I MEAN, WE'VE GOT THE TOOLS, THE RESOURCES THAT WE HAVE FOR THE TOOLS THAT WE'RE USING RIGHT NOW.
THEY'RE WORKING, THEY MAY NOT BE WORKING AS FAST AS WE ALL WANT.
UM, BUT I, I CAN'T PREVENT, YOU KNOW, NUMBERS GOING HIGHER WHERE WE WANT THEM TO GO LOWER, ET CETERA.
UM, WE JUST KEEP DOING THE BEST WE CAN WITH WHAT WE HAVE.
AND THEN HOPEFULLY BY FY 28, THE BUDGET WILL BE A LOT MORE, UH, FORGIVING.
HOPEFULLY NO ONE WILL SUE THE CITY FOR FAILURE TO COMPLY WITH THE PUBLIC RECORDS ACT.
THAT, THAT, THAT'S ALWAYS OUR HOPE.
MELISSA? ONE THING, UM, I WOULD SAY IS IF YOU LOOK AT THE, UH, THE GRAPH THAT HEATHER WENT THROUGH THE LAST FEW YEARS, AS YOU CAN SEE, THE RATE OF, UH, PRAS THAT ARE INCOMING, OF COURSE IS INCREASING, BUT OUR RATE OF CLOSURE IS, IS VERY HIGH.
SO WE ALREADY HAVE CLOSED, UH, OVER 3,100 THIS YEAR.
SO, UM, I MEAN, I, I GET THAT THERE'S, THERE ARE OLDER PRAS, AGAIN, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT LIKE THE COMPLEXITY, A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT REASONS FOR THOSE.
BUT IN TERMS OF THAT ACTUAL RATE OF CLOSURE, IT'S STILL VERY HIGH.
AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE, WE'RE ON TRACK TO HAVE A LOT MORE CLOSURES THIS YEAR THAN IN THE PAST TWO YEARS.
SO I DO THINK A LOT OF THE WORK THAT HEATHER, UM, AND OUR PRA TEAM IS DOING ACROSS DEPARTMENTS, THE ACCOUNTABILITY WORKING TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S, UM, YOU KNOW, EFFORTS TO LOOP IN MANAGERS WHEN NEEDED TO, YOU KNOW, REALLY FOCUS ON THE LONGER OUTSTANDING PRAS.
A LOT OF THOSE EFFORTS ARE HELPING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE RESPONSIVE TO THE ONES THAT ARE, UM, RELATIVELY QUICK AND EASY TO RESPOND TO.
AND THEN, YEAH, I MEAN, THE, THE CHALLENGE WITH THE LONGER ONES IS A LOT OF TIMES THAT THAT'S OUT OF OUR HANDS IN TERMS OF JUST THE COMPLEXITY OF A PRA IS DETERMINED BY WHO'S REQUESTING IT A LOT OF THE TIME.
UM, BUT I DO WANT TO JUST REITERATE,
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I THINK THE, THE RATE OF CLOSURE IS STILL VERY HIGH AND THE NUMBER JUST CONTINUES TO INCREASE EVEN WHEN WE'RE FACING SOME OF THE CH STAFFING CHALLENGES.UM, I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE STILL IN A GOOD TRACK.
UM, OVERALL, IS THERE A TREND IN TERMS OF THE TYPES OF DOCUMENTS THAT PEOPLE ARE ASKING FOR? IN OTHER WORDS, ARE, ARE PE IS THERE SOME SORT OF GROUP WHERE PEOPLE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE WAY THE CITY IS DEALING WITH, UM, UH, UH, HOMELESSNESS CHALLENGES OR WITH DRUG AREAS, OR, YOU KNOW, THINGS LIKE THAT? IS THERE SOME KIND OF TRENDS WHERE WE CAN SEE PEOPLE ARE CONCERNED IN A WHOLE SUBJECT AREA AND MAYBE WE CAN ADDRESS THAT SEPARATELY, YOU KNOW, THE CITY CAN ADDRESS IT SEPARATELY TO GET A LOT OF INFORMATION OUT THERE ABOUT WHAT'S BEING DONE? YEAH, AND THAT'S ONE OF THE TOOLS THAT WE USE IN, UM, OUR, ARE REALLY FOCUSING ON IN OUR TRAININGS AND INTERACTIONS WITH DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS.
SO, FOR EXAMPLE, HOMELESSNESS, THERE IS A LOT OF CURIOSITY ABOUT SPECIFIC THINGS RELATED TO HOMELESSNESS.
SO, UM, COINCIDENTALLY WE'RE WORKING WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY AND THE, UM, APPROPRIATE DEPARTMENTS TO IDENTIFY WHAT DOCUMENTS WE CAN PUT UP PUBLICLY AND YEAH.
AND, AND SO SEND FOLKS SIMILAR TO WHAT WE'VE DONE WITH THE OLYMPICS.
UM, SO YES, THAT'S DEFINITELY ONE OF THE TOOLS THAT WE USE, UM, AND ARE DOING MORE, UH, TO EMPHASIZE.
AND THEN I JUST WANTED TO PIGGYBACK ON SOMETHING TYLER HAD SAID.
UM, IN OUR SOP, WE HAVE AN ESCALATION PROCESS, SO THAT'S HELPING US.
UM, IF WE'RE NOT GETTING, UM, IF WE'RE BEHIND SCHEDULE ON SOMETHING OR, OR NOT GETTING THE RESPONSES THAT WE NEED, THERE IS AN ESCALATION PROCESS INVOLVED WHERE, YOU KNOW, KYLER AND I GET INVOLVED, THE WHOMEVER SUPERVISOR GETS INVOLVED.
AT SOME POINT, THE CITY MANAGER GETS NOTIFIED.
SO THERE IS, WE ARE UTILIZING, UM, THOSE TYPES OF RESOURCES TO HELP US GET INTO COMPLIANCE.
COMMISSIONER JULIET, THANK YOU FOR THAT PRESENTATION.
I WAS WONDERING, UM, WHAT IS OUR DATA, IF ANY, ON R RATES OF MANDATE RELATING TO PRA? UH, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE THAT DATA READILY AVAILABLE.
UM, I DON'T, I DON'T REMEMBER THE LAST TIME.
I MEAN, I DON'T, I, I, IT HAPPENS EVERY SO OFTEN.
UM, BUT I, AGAIN, I I DON'T HAVE THAT NUMBER FOR YOU RIGHT AWAY.
I IMAGINE IT'S PROBABLY PRETTY RARE BECAUSE IT'S SUCH A COMPLEX PROCESS.
UH, THE SECOND QUESTION I HAVE IS RELATING TO REQUESTS FROM THE MEDIA.
IS THAT HANDLED VIA PRA PROCESS OR IS THERE A SEPARATE DEPARTMENT COMMUNICATIONS, PUBLIC RELATIONS THAT DEAL WITH THOSE QUESTIONS? 'CAUSE SOMETIMES THEY'RE FAIRLY STRAIGHTFORWARD AND, UH, YOU KNOW, THEY JUST NEED IT FOR AN ARTICLE.
OR IF THAT'S PROCESSED THROUGH THE PRA AS WELL.
IF, IF THEY COME TO US THROUGH THE PUBLIC RECORDS REQUEST PORTAL, THAT IS MANAGED AS A PUBLIC RECORD, UM, IF IT'S JUST INFORMATION PER SE THAT THEY'RE SEEKING, THEY WOULD EITHER BE REDIRECTED TO OUR COMMUNICATIONS TEAM.
UM, MOST OF THE MEDIA KNOWS WHEN TO GO TO THEM VERSUS WHEN TO COME TO US.
BUT THAT, UM, ANY RECORDS THAT, THAT THE PRESS IS SEEKING, THAT'S MANAGED BY MY TEAM.
UH, HEATHER, THANK YOU FOR THAT.
AND I HOPE YOU'RE HAVING A NICE SUMMER.
UM, IF I CAN DIRECT YOU TO SLIDE, UH, NUMBER SEVEN, THE LONGER RUN IN PRAS.
UM, HOW MUCH OF THE BACKLOG OF THE LONG RUN IN PRAS IS ATTRIBUTABLE TO CAPACITY AND STAFFING, UH, VERSUS THE COMPLEXITY REQUESTS? DO YOU HAVE A BREAKDOWN OF THOSE NUMBERS? I MEAN, MAYBE NOT OFFHAND, BUT IS THAT POSSIBLE TO INCLUDE? I DON'T KNOW.
OUR RECORDS COORDINATOR TO SEE, UM, IF THAT'S SOMETHING WE COLLECT, BUT OKAY.
MORE TIMES THAN, THAN NOT, IT'S USUALLY THE COMPLEXITY OKAY.
NOT TO SAY THAT THERE ISN'T HUMAN ERROR INVOLVED OR HUMANNESS INVOLVED, IF YOU WILL.
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IN MY EXPERIENCE, IT'S TYPICALLY THE VERY LARGE COMPLEX, UM, REQUESTS.I JUST THOUGHT IT WOULD BE AN INTERESTING, UM, DISTINCTION TO KNOW, BUT THANK YOU.
ONE THING I'LL ADD IS THIS IS AN, THE PUBLIC RECORDS ACT VOLUME OF REQUESTS IS NOT A ISSUE UNIQUE TO LONG BEACH.
IT'S HAPPENING TO EVERY STATE AND LOCAL AGENCY ACROSS THE STATE.
UM, AND WHENEVER WE GET IN, GET TOGETHER IN CONFERENCES, THIS IS WHAT WE TALK ABOUT.
UM, OFTENTIMES, ESPECIALLY THE INCREASING AMOUNT OF AI GENERATED PUBLIC RECORDS ACT THAT, UM, MAY NOT CITE ACCURATE LAW OR MISSTATE THE LAW, UM, OR AI SPITS OUT, UM, LEGAL INFORMATION THAT'S JUST LIKE NOT ACCURATE.
UM, SO THIS IS ALSO A CHALLENGE WE'RE FACING.
UM, I HAVE ONE, UH, IF THERE'S, IF NO OTHER COMMISSIONERS HAVE QUESTIONS, I HAVE A, UH, ONE FINAL ONE IS, AND I DON'T EXCUSE MY IGNORANCE HERE, I'M NOT AS FAMILIAR ON THE LAW AROUND THE PS, BUT IS THERE A METHOD WHICH I RECENTLY WAS OUT AT A COMMUNITY EVENT IN MY DISTRICT, AND PS CAME UP.
UM, AND WHAT I HEARD THERE WAS THAT WHAT THEY'RE GET, WHAT THEY'RE RECEIVING BACK ISN'T REALLY WHAT THEY WERE ASKING FOR NECESSARILY.
UM, AND LIKE I, I TALKED TO ONE PERSON KIND OF ON THE SIDE AND THEY WERE LIKE, WELL, I KIND OF MADE IT BROAD 'CAUSE I DIDN'T REALLY KNOW HOW TO WORD IT.
AND SO THEY GOT A BUNCH OF STUFF BACK.
UM, BUT THEY DIDN'T REALLY RECEIVE WHAT THEY WERE LOOKING FOR.
AND SO WHAT IT DAWNED ON ME IN KNOWING THE AGENDA WAS, IS THERE A, IS THERE A WAY? I KNOW KIND OF RIGHT NOW IT'S A STANDARD, WE'RE WORKING ON YOUR REQUEST AND WE WILL GET BACK TO YOU.
THIS WOULD OBVIOUSLY BE A UPFRONT LIFT, BUT I WONDER IF IT COULD NARROW THE, THE SEARCH IF WE COULD KIND OF AT THE BEGINNING MAKE CONTACT WITH THE PERSON ASKING OR MAKING THE PRA REQUEST, UM, TO SEE, WELL, WHAT ARE YOU REALLY LOOKING FOR? UM, AND BE ABLE TO THEN PROVIDE THAT.
HAS THAT BEEN TRIED IN THE PAST? AND IF SO, YOU KNOW, WAS IT A GOOD RESULT OR, OH, YEAH, WE DO IT ALL THE TIME.
IF THE REQUEST IS BROAD OR IF THERE'S SOMETHING WE DON'T UNDERSTAND.
SO IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, OUT OF THE ALMOST 4,000 REQUESTS THAT WE GET A YEAR, IT SOUNDS LIKE PROBABLY WE THOUGHT WE WERE GIVING, WE THOUGHT WE UNDERSTOOD THE REQUEST.
UM, BUT IN YOUR SPECIFIC CASE, THAT PERSON WOULD'VE OR SHOULD HAVE CIRCLED BACK AND, AND WHICH IS WHAT HAPPENS.
I MEAN, IT'S NOT THAT THIS HAPPENS, SOMETIMES THEY JUST CIRCLE BACK AND SAY, NO, NO, NO, THIS, SORRY, THIS ISN'T WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR.
THIS IS ACTUALLY WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR.
UM, SO YEAH, THAT'S ONE OF THE CHALLENGES THAT WE HAVE IS IF WE DON'T UNDERSTAND A REQUEST AND WE COMMUNICATE THAT TO THE REQUESTER, NOW WE'RE WAITING FOR THE REQUESTER TO GET BACK TO US.
UM, SOMETIMES THEY DO, SOMETIMES THEY DON'T.
SO THEN THAT REQUEST STAYS OPEN.
UM, BUT YEAH, THE LINES OF COMMUNICATION CONTINUE TO STAY OPEN.
UM, AND THAT'S DONE THROUGH THE GOV QA PORTAL TYPICALLY, JUST SO WE CAN TRACK AND KEEP A RECORD OF EVERYTHING THAT'S GOING ON.
UH, THE OTHER THING IS REQUESTERS WILL ASK FOR INFORMATION, AND WE WILL DO OUR BEST TO CLARIFY THAT WE'RE, THIS IS A REQUEST FOR RECORDS.
WE DON'T PROVIDE INFORMATION, WE'LL PROVIDE YOU RECORDS THAT CONTAIN THAT INFORMATION, BUT AN OUTRIGHT QUESTION ABOUT INFORMATION DOES NOT GO THROUGH THE PRA UH, PROCESS.
AND SO WHAT HAPPENS IS STAFF WILL RELEASE RECORDS THAT MAY CONTAIN INFORMATION THAT THE REQUESTER IS ASKING FOR OR IS RELATED TO WHAT THE REQUESTER IS ASKING FOR.
UM, BUT THE SPECIFIC PIECE OF INFORMATION THEY WANT IS SO SPECIFIC THAT IT'S, UM, IT CAN BE A BIT CHALLENGING TO FIND A RECORD THAT WOULD PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION OR PERHAPS THE RECORD.
THERE'S NOT AN EXISTING RECORD THAT HAS THAT INFORMATION.
SO THAT'S WHY WE DO COMMUNICATE WITH THE REQUESTER ON AN ONGOING BASIS.
TO CLARIFY RELATED, UM, I THINK THAT ACTUALLY GETS BACK TO THE MEDIA QUESTION AS WELL.
SO THERE IS OFTEN A LOT OF BACK AND FORTH TO DETERMINE WHETHER A PRA IS THE BEST MECHANISM TO GET WHAT THEY'RE ASKING.
UM, AND IN A LOT OF CASES WITH MEDIA REQUESTS, GIVEN THE SHORT TURNAROUND TIME, PRAS AREN'T NECESSARILY, YOU KNOW, THE BEST APPROACH.
UM, BUT THERE MIGHT BE INFORMATION THAT THEY'RE SEEKING OR A STATEMENT OR
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SOME KIND OF A RESPONSE THAT WE CAN GIVE MUCH QUICKLY, UM, MUCH QUICKER THROUGH THE COMMS TEAM.AND THEN IF THEY ARE DOING A LONGER KIND OF INVESTIGATION OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT REQUIRES ACTUAL PUBLIC RECORDS, THAT'S WHEN WE WOULD DIRECT IN THE PRA, BUT SIMILAR KIND OF DISTINCTION THAT MILLICENT WAS JUST TALKING ABOUT.
COMMISSIONER GILLETTE, I HAVE SEVERAL QUESTIONS.
UM, REMIND ME, DO WE PRODUCE RECORDS DIGITALLY OR HARD COPY? GENERALLY DIGITALLY, BUT I MEAN, WE CAN DO HARD COPY.
UM, IN THOSE SITUATIONS WHERE CLARIFICATION LETTERS ARE SENT OUT TO THE REQUESTER, AND I UNDERSTAND THEY DON'T ALWAYS RESPOND RIGHT AWAY, UH, I HEARD THAT THEY STAY OPEN UNTIL YOU GET THE CLARIFICATION.
IS THERE EVER A POINT WHEN YOU DON'T RECEIVE A RESPONSE? AND THE CITY KIND OF INDICATES IN SUBSEQUENT CORRESPONDENCE MM-HMM.
THE REQUEST ARE THAT THIS IS, WE DIDN'T HEAR FROM YOU.
THIS IS OUR UNDERSTANDING OF THE REQUEST.
THIS IS WHAT WE WILL BE POOLING FOR YOU AND WE'LL BE PRODUCING.
IS THAT A PROCESS THAT WE DO? IT COULD, YES.
THAT'S ONE WAY, OR DEPENDING ON WHAT INFORMATION WE'RE WAITING FOR.
WE, AND I'D HAVE TO CONFIRM THIS WITH MEGAN, BUT WE WOULD EVENTUALLY CLOSE OUT THE PRA AND MILLICENT MAY JUMP INTO IF SHE KNOWS FOR SURE, BUT WE DON'T DO THAT ENOUGH THAT I'M INVOLVED IN THAT PROCESS THAT I JUST, I'M NOT QUITE SURE AT WHAT POINT THAT DOES, BUT I CAN COME BACK WITH THAT INFORMATION.
AND THEN MY OTHER QUESTION IS, OFTENTIMES THE PUBLIC JUST UNDERSTANDS, UH, HEARS THAT, OH, I CAN REQUEST RECORDS.
BUT AS WE KNOW, AND AS HAS BEEN MENTIONED HERE, THEY DON'T FULLY UNDERSTAND THE LIMITATIONS OF THE PRA REQUEST.
SO FOR INSTANCE, IT IS ONLY RELATING TO RECORDS, SO NOT INFORMATION.
UM, IT IS ALSO, UH, ONLY RELATING TO EXISTING RECORDS IN OUR CONTROL, UH, RECORDS THAT, UM, WE ARE NOT REQUIRED TO CREATE RECORDS TO RESPOND TO WHAT, WHAT IT IS THAT THEY'RE SEEKING.
UM, I WONDER WOULD IT KIND OF STREAMLINE THE PROCESS IF, AND, AND THE REQUEST FOR PS ON THE WEBSITE, AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S ALREADY THERE, BUT IS IT, WOULD IT STREAMLINE THE PROCESS IF WE HAVE SOME SORT OF BULLET POINTS AS TO THIS IS WHAT WE CAN DO.
IT'S ONLY RECORDS IN OUR POSSESSION.
AND, UM, IT'S ONLY FOR RECORDS, NOT INFORMATION.
I MEAN, OUR WEBSITE DOES A GOOD JOB OF EXPLAINING THAT, BUT WE'LL, WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AND REFRESH AS NECESSARY.
'CAUSE THERE IS QUITE A BIT OF INFORMATION ON THAT WEBPAGE.
ARE THERE ANY FURTHER COMMENT BY THE COMMISSIONERS? UM, SEEING NONE, ARE THERE ANY COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC? IF THERE'S ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, PLEASE APPROACH PODIUM.
UH, AS THERE ARE NO MEMBERS IN THE ZOOM AT THIS TIME, THERE IS NO PUBLIC COMMENT.
UM, CAN WE GET A ROLL CALL PLEASE? COMMISSIONER NOVE? AYE.
COMMISSIONER D BENEDICTUS? AYE.
THANK YOU FOR TO THE TEAM FOR THAT LAST, UM, ITEM, ITEM NUMBER THREE, RECOMMENDATION TO DISCUSS THE COMMISSION'S JUNE 10TH, 2026 STUDY SESSION, INCLUDING A REVIEW OF THE KEY POINTS RAISED AND CLARIFICATION AND IDENTIFICATION OF POTENTIAL
[3. 26-55821 Recommendation to discuss the Commission’s June 10, 2026 study session, including a review of key points raised, and clarification and identification of potential action items, and if appropriate, take action on next steps for Commission activities for the next year. Suggested Action: Approve recommendation. ]
I ACTION ITEMS AND IF APPROPRIATE, TAKE ACTION ON NEXT STEPS FOR COMMISSION ACTIVITIES FOR THE NEXT YEAR.I MOVE, MAY I HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND.
IT'S BEEN MOVED BY COMMISSIONER P*****K.
IT'S BEEN SECONDED BY VICE CHAIR EATON.
COMMISSIONERS CHAIR, IF I MAY THOUGH.
UM, JUST TO KIND OF GET EVERYONE THINKING BACK TO TWO MONTHS AGO.
SO THIS WAS A JUST A QUICK DISCUSSION THAT THE CHAIR AND I HAD ABOUT REVISITING THE JUNE 10TH MEETING, SPECIFICALLY THE STUDY SESSION THAT YOU DID ON, UM, WHAT WAS THE THREE YEAR LOOK AHEAD?
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I BELIEVE IT WAS THREE YEARS.UM, JUST TO REVISIT THE DISCUSSION POINTS THAT WERE MADE DURING THAT STUDY SESSION.
AND THEN, UM, KIND OF TALK ABOUT WHAT NEXT STEPS YOU WANT TO, TO TAKE TO START ADDRESSING SOME OF THE ACTION ITEMS, UM, THAT YOU WANNA PURSUE.
SO THE, THE ATTACHMENT THAT YOU GOT WITH THAT AGENDA ITEM IS REALLY A SUMMARY OF THE JUNE 10TH STUDY SESSION.
AND THOSE DISCUSSION POINTS WERE WHAT WAS DISCUSSED AT THAT MEETING.
THERE'S, UM, SO TO MAYBE HELP FACILITATE, UM, THIS DISCUSSION, WE CAN ALSO PUT IT BACK ON THE AGENDA FOR NEXT YEAR OR NEXT WEEK, NEXT MONTH IF, UM, COMMISS COMMISSIONERS NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME TO WORK WITH THE, UM, DOCUMENTS.
UM, SOME OF THE KEY POINTS THAT WE WENT OVER AT OUR RETREAT, UM, WERE THE DISCUSSION BETWEEN WHAT SHOULD KIND OF BE SOME OF THE RESPONSIBILITIES FOR OET OR WHAT WERE THE LINES BETWEEN WHAT OET SHOULD BE KIND OF, UH, DRIVING OR VERSUS WHERE SHOULD THE COMMISSION BE DRIVING.
UM, WE WANTED TO LOOK THROUGH THE, UH, PREVIOUS HARVEY ROSE AUDIT, BUT ALSO LOOK AT WHAT MARCOLA DID.
AND, AND NOW THAT WE'VE, YOU KNOW, BEEN, YOU KNOW, A YEAR OR SO INTO IT, UM, WHAT ARE THE PRIORITIES FOR THIS COMMISSION AS CURRENTLY CONSTITUTED? AND PERHAPS WHAT ITEMS DO WE THINK THAT WERE MAYBE LONGER TERM OR MEDIA TERM, DO WE AS A COMMISSION WANT TO, UM, PUSH FORWARD FOR, UH, TO BE KIND OF WITH THOUGHT WITHIN THE NEXT YEAR ALONGSIDE, UM, OBVIOUSLY THE GUIDANCE FROM THE, FROM HEATHER AND THE REST OF OET, UM, AND THEN ALSO KIND OF FIGURE OUT WHAT OUR TOP PRIORITIES FOR THIS COMING YEAR WERE.
UM, SO THAT WAS SOME OF THE DISCUSSION.
WE ALSO, AS A DISCUSSION OF THOSE TOP PRIORITIES, UM, WE DISCUSSED HOW TO, HOW THE OFFICE, UM, AND THE COMMISSION COULD BE BETTER APT ON, UM, BOTH ENGAGING THE PUBLIC, BUT ALSO, UH, AND, AND THAT LOOKED IN SEVERAL WAYS, WHETHER IT WAS SOCIAL MEDIA, UM, OR KIND OF GETTING AHEAD OF TOPICS THAT WE KNEW, UH, WERE GOING TO BE MORE PRESSING, SUCH AS WHEN THERE'S AN ELECTION.
UM, THERE'S ALWAYS THINGS RUNNING THE ELECTION, THE BUDGET HAS JUST COME OUT.
UM, AND SO, YOU KNOW, PERHAPS THAT COULD HAVE BEEN AN AREA THAT WE COULD HAVE, YOU KNOW, BEEN ON MOVING FORWARD.
UM, AND A FEW YEARS, AND I'M, I'M JUST THROWING OUT EXAMPLES HERE.
IN A FEW YEARS, REDISTRICTING WILL COME UP AGAIN, UM,
UM, AND, YOU KNOW, WE'LL NEED TO, WE WILL BE THE COMMISSION THAT HELPS FACILITATE THAT.
UM, AND SO ALSO THINKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, JUST WHEN THERE'S AN ITEM THAT WE KNOW WILL BE IMPORTANT, HOW DO WE KIND OF GET IN FRONT AND BE, HELP THE CITY BE TRANSPARENT? UM, AND SO THOSE WERE SOME OF THE TOUGHIES THAT WE DISCUSSED, UM, AT OUR RETREAT.
UH, IF IT'S HELPFUL, IT SOUNDS LIKE THE COMMISSION MIGHT WANT MORE.
UM, I AM AMENABLE TO, UM, DISCUSSING THIS ANOTHER MONTH.
UH, BUT, UM, I APOLOGIZE FOR NOT BEING AT THE LAST, UH, MEETING.
UM, I'M GOING BY THE SUMMARY THAT HEATHER PREPARED AS THE, UM, AUDIO ON THE JUNE 10TH MEETING WAS REALLY HARD TO HEAR.
UM, SO THE, THE, THE ISSUES THAT WERE BROUGHT UP REGARDING, UH, PUBLIC PERCEPTION, UH, UM, MIXED RESULTS REGARDING PSAS AND SOCIAL MEDIA, AND THEN THE IDEA OF, OF A TARGETED
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TIMELY EDUCATIONAL VIDEOS.I THINK WE SHOULD GIVE, UM, I'M JUST, I'M GROUPING THESE TOGETHER.
JUST, UM, I THINK WE SHOULD GIVE THESE, OR THE COMMUNICATIONS OR THIS WHOLE, UH, AREA A LOT OF WEIGHT.
UM, INSTEAD OF LOOKING AT, UM, OUR OUTREACH OR COMMUNICATION VIA IT BEING A SOCIAL MEDIA PROBLEM, UH, WE SHOULD ASK OURSELVES, HOW DO WE DEMONSTRATE THE COMMISSION'S VALUE AND MAKE OUR OUTCOMES MORE VISIBLE TO THE PUBLIC? ALSO, WE PROBABLY SHOULD, SORRY, I CAN'T REALLY REPEAT MY NOTES.
CONTINUE TO KEEP OUR FOCUS ON THE COMMISSION'S COMMISSION SUBSTANTIVE ETHICS WORK, UH, POLICY, UM, INVESTIGATIVE ENFORCEMENT FRAMEWORK, ETHICS EDUCATION.
UM, WE DON'T WANNA LOSE SIGHT THAT THAT'S THE ONE OF THE PRINCIPLE REASONS WHY THIS COMMISSION, UM, IS HERE.
BUT I DO THINK WE NEED TO GIVE THIS WHOLE COMMUNICATION SOCIAL MEDIA, UM, PSA VIDEOS A LOT MORE WEIGHT.
UM, I AGREE WITH POINT NUMBER FOUR THAT WE SHOULD, WE NEED TO IDENTIFY TOP PRIORITIES.
UM, I WOULD ALSO AGREE THAT WE NEED TO BE SPECIFIC, UH, TO ONE YEAR PRIORITIES.
AND IN TERMS OF THE CONVERSATION, UM, WHERE THERE WAS THE ROADMAP LACKS DATES, UH, THE TIMELINE CONFUSION, UM, I, I THINK, UH, I THINK WE SHOULD KIND OF LOOK AT THAT DIFFERENTLY BECAUSE IF THE PUBLIC READS THAT IT, IT, IT, IT, THE IMPRESSION COULD BE THAT THE COMMISSION IS NOT VERY WELL ORGANIZED.
UM, BUT MAYBE WE SHOULD LOOK AT THE ROADMAP THAT IT GIVES, UH, THE ROADMAP GIVES US SHORT AND LONG TERM PATHWAYS, AND WE JUST NEED A MORE SPECIFIC TIMELINE WITH MILESTONES SO THE COMMISSION CAN, UM, CAN MONITOR.
THAT WOULD BE FOR NUMBER THREE.
UM, ONE THING FOLLOWING ON FROM COMMISSIONER A NOVA'S POINTS, UM, I WORRY ABOUT THE FAIR ACT.
THE CITY IS SPENDING THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS FOCUSED ON BUDGET.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A DATE FOR THE FAIR ACT TO GO BACK TO THE CITY COUNCIL.
IT SEEMS TO ME THOUGH, THAT THAT IS EVIDENCE OF SOMETHING THAT THE ETHICS COMMISSION HAS BEEN WORKING ON AND THE CITY STAFF HAS BEEN WORKING ON.
AND I WOULD LOVE TO BE MORE OUT IN THE PUBLIC TO ENSURE THAT IT'S READY TO GO TO THE COUNCIL, BECAUSE THE COUNCIL WILL RECOGNIZE THAT THERE IS PUBLIC SUPPORT FOR THE FAIR ACT.
AND I BELIEVE THERE WOULD BE IF PEOPLE WERE MORE EDUCATED ABOUT THE FACT THAT IT'S, IT'S THERE, IT'S IN DRAFT, IT'S READY, IT'S GONE TO THE CITY COUNCIL ONCE IT'S COMING BACK TO THE CITY COUNCIL FROM THE GOVERNMENT OPERATIONS AND EFFICIENCY COMMITTEE.
UM, BUT WHAT CAN WE DO? HOW DO WE APPROACH, UM, THE PUBLIC, UH, TO ADDRESS THAT AS A, A, A, AN ACCOMPLISHMENT OF THE ETHICS COMMISSION, A PRIORITY OF THE ETHICS COMMISSION, AND SOMETHING THAT WE THINK IS A, IS A, AN APPROPRIATE PRIORITY FOR THE CITY.
UH, CHAIR, UH, COMMISSIONER DEBEES HAS THEIR HAND RAISED.
UM, I AGREE WITH, UH, MOST ALL THE COMMENTS.
UM, I, I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'D LIKE TO SEE IS THIS MIGHT BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO ACTUALLY, AFTER BEING THROUGH THIS A COUPLE OF YEARS, I THINK WE'RE AT A STAGE WHERE WE CAN IDENTIFY, UM, KEY REPORTS, KEY INFORMATION THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY STATE THAT WE ARE ACTIVELY INVOLVED, YOU KNOW, THAT WE ARE MONITORING, THAT WE ARE ACTUALLY DOING, UH, 'CAUSE I FEEL THAT'S, AND IT'S NOT A REFLECTION ON OUR, HOW WE'VE HANDLED THESE THINGS IN THE PAST, BUT RATHER, UM, I THINK WE'VE REFINED WHERE WE, WHAT WE DO DO IN TERMS, BUT WE'VE NEVER ARTICULATED WHAT IT IS.
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THE, THE PRAS, UM, HEATHER'S HOTLINE REPORTS, ET CETERA.I THINK THAT WE CAN GO AHEAD AND I THINK WE'LL ALWAYS HAVE THESE BLURRED AREAS UNTIL THAT GETS REFINED, THE BLURRED RESPONSIBILITY AREAS.
BUT I THINK WE'VE REALLY GOTTEN TO A POINT WHERE, UM, AS COMMISSIONER AVE SAID, POLICY PROCEDURES, WE HAVE CERTAIN EXPECTATIONS AT THIS POINT.
AND I THINK, UH, COLLECTIVELY, IF WE WERE TO IDENTIFY WHAT THOSE ARE, UM, WE CAN MAKE IT A LITTLE MORE CONCISE WHAT IT IS THAT THE COMMISSION HAS BEEN DOING, UH, FOR THE LAST COUPLE YEARS AND WHAT WE WOULD LIKE AT A MINIMUM TO SEE GOING FORWARD.
AND I THINK THAT WOULD KIND OF MAKE A, I DON'T KNOW IF IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO HEATHER, BUT MAYBE A MORE CONCISE ROADMAP FOR HER.
AND THEN WE WORK ON THE AREAS, UM, AND I AGREE COMPLETELY MONITORING THE FAIR ACT AND COMMUNICATIONS, BUT I THINK THERE'S, UM, WE SHOULD BE GETTING A LITTLE BANG FOR OUR BUCK ON THE, ON THE ACTIVITIES THAT WE HAVE BEEN DOING, AND THAT WE EXPECT TO CONTINUE TO MONITOR AND ARTICULATE THOSE IN ONE, ONE SET PLACE.
UM, 'CAUSE I THINK THE EXPECTATION FROM THE PUBLIC IS THAT WE ARE DOING THESE THINGS AND I'D LIKE TO BE ABLE TO SAY, YES, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE THE 10 KEY, UM, UH, METRICS, REPORTS, ET CETERA THAT WE SEE ROUTINELY AND THAT THEY'RE IMPORTANT TO US.
UM, SO THOSE ARE JUST MY COMMENTS.
THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER DE BENEDICTUS.
UM, WE, WE TALKED ABOUT COMMUNITY MEETINGS, NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS, THAT SORT OF THING.
UM, I KNOW HEATHER, YOU, YOUR OFFICE HAS PARTICIPATED IN A LOT OF NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION MEETINGS.
UM, UH, DOES IT MAKE SENSE FOR INDIVIDUAL COMMISSIONERS TO ALSO TALK TO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS? I THINK WE'VE PROBABLY GOT SEVERAL DISTRICTS, REP NEIGHBORHOODS, ET CETERA, REPRESENTED ON THE COMMISSION.
UM, DOES IT MAKE SENSE FOR US TO PUT TOGETHER A, A, YOU KNOW, THREE SLIDE PRESENTATION AND TAKE IT OUT TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS AND WE COULD TALK ABOUT THE FAIR ACT, WE CAN TALK ABOUT THE OTHER THINGS THAT WE'VE BEEN DOING.
WE CAN TALK ABOUT THE LIMITATIONS ON OUR AUTHORITIES, UM, SO PEOPLE RECOGNIZE WE DON'T INVESTIGATE.
BUT THEN, YOU KNOW, I COULD ALWAYS SEGUE TO THE INVESTIGATIONS PROTOCOL, WHICH IS LATER ON THE AGENDA.
UM, BUT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE ARE WORKING ON AND THAT I THINK, UH, WE COULD TALK ABOUT AS WELL.
UM, IT'S A PROTOCOL NOT FOR US, BUT FOR, FOR CITI STAFF.
SO, UH, I'D BE INTERESTED TO KNOW WHAT PEOPLE THINK ABOUT US GOING TO OUR OWN NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS OR, OR, OR OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS, BUT JUST SEEMS EASIER COM UH, COMMISSIONER GI, UH, COMMISSIONER GI.
SO, UM, I THINK, UH, COMMISSIONER MCC CARLICK, THAT'S A, A PRETTY GOOD IDEA.
UM, AS LONG AS IT WAS, UM, SHORT, YOU KNOW, I, UH, WHEN I, I LIVE IN THE LOS CERRITOS NEIGHBORHOOD, AND WHEN WE DO OUR GENERAL MEETINGS, WE TEND TO HAVE POLICE, OF COURSE, WE HAVE THE COUNCIL MEMBER, WE HAVE POLICE, WE HAVE, UM, PARKS AND REC WILL HAVE TREES, UH, AND YEAH, WE'RE ALWAYS LOOKING FOR SOME FIVE OR 10 MINUTE ADDITIONAL THING.
UM, AS LONG AS IT WAS SHORT AND, UM, FOCUSED ON THE CITIZENRY OUT THERE WITH, UM, EXACTLY WHAT'S GOING ON, UM, DOES IT HELP WITH OUR POLITICIANS? DOES IT, YOU KNOW, HOW'S IT HELPING THE PUBLIC? THINGS LIKE THAT SOME, BUT JUST SOMETHING THAT IS, AS YOU SAY, THREE SLIDES AND, AND VERY FOCUSED.
I THINK THAT WOULD WORK WELL IN, UM, AT LEAST, YOU KNOW, MY ASSOCIATION'S GENERAL MEETING, UH, COMMISSIONER GILLETTE.
I, I ALSO LIKE THE IDEA OF, OF GOING TO NEIGHBORHOODS.
I WONDERED THOUGH IF IT WOULD BE BETTER, UH, TO, I, I RECOGNIZE THAT SEVERAL OF US ARE PROBABLY FROM DIFFERENT COUNCIL DISTRICTS.
UH, IF IT WOULD BE BETTER TO THE EXTENT THAT WE'RE ABLE TO HAVE MORE THAN ONE PERSON, UH, PRESENT, JUST TO KIND OF INTRODUCE US AS A COMMISSION RATHER THAN KIND OF BLURRED THE LINE OF, ARE YOU SPEAKING AS A, YOU KNOW, MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC OR AS A COMMISSIONER.
UH, THE OTHER THING TOO IS I, I, WHEN I ATTEND THE BLUFF PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS, UH, NO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION MEETINGS, WE TYPICALLY
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DON'T HAVE A LOT OF, UM, UH, TECHNICAL, IT'S, IT'S MEANING YOU MENTIONED A SLIDE, UH, I JUST, IT'S USUALLY JUST KIND OF SPEECHES OR SOME, SOME SORT OF FLYERS.SO I THINK WE MAY HAVE THAT LIMITATION THERE AS WELL.
COMMISSIONER NORE, UM, THANK YOU, UH, COMMISSIONER P*****K FOR THAT SUGGESTION.
I WOULD BE OPEN, UM, TO VISITING A COUPLE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS IN MY DISTRICT.
UM, AND I BELIEVE MY COUNCIL MEMBER, RICKS OTI ATTENDS, UH, SEVERAL OF THOSE.
SO SHE'S ALSO, SHE SITS ON THE GO, UH, COMMITTEE.
UM, I'M SURE SHE WOULD BE HAPPY TO, TO INVITE, TO INVITE ME OR INVITE US TO JUST GIVE A VERY FIVE, 10 MINUTE BRIEF EXPLANATION OF THE COMMISSION.
UM, SO I WOULD BE OPEN TO THAT IDEA.
UM, WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE IS PERHAPS JUST ONE CONCERN THAT I'M THINKING THROUGH IS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE, WE WOULD ONE, LIKELY NEED TO AUTHORIZE US ALL TO BE ABLE TO GO TO THESE DIFFERENT
SO IT, IT, WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE TO ME IS PERHAPS WE SHOULD MAKE AN AD HOC THAT KIND OF DRAFTS A POWERPOINT OR PRESENTATION SO THAT WE'RE CONSISTENT IN THAT MESSAGING, AND THEN WE BRING IT BACK TO A FULL COMMISSION AND KIND OF GO THROUGH IT TOGETHER AND MAKE, YOU KNOW, WE CAN MAKE EDITS TO IT.
UM, BUT I DO THINK IT IS IMPORTANT THAT WE ARE CONSISTENT AND THAT WHEN WE PROVIDE THAT GO FORTH AND CONQUER AUTHORIZATION, UM, THAT WE KNOW WHAT THE INDIVIDUAL MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION WILL BE PRESENTING ON.
UM, AND GENERALLY, UM, NOT THAT I DON'T TRUST ANYONE, BUT THAT WE ALL KINDA HAVE AN IDEA OF WHAT ASPECTS OF THE FAIR ACT ARE WE ALL GOING TO BE DISCUSSING.
UM, AND WHAT ASPECTS OF THE COMMISSION, UM, I THINK WE HAVE AN AGENDA ITEM TO CREATE NEW YES.
I JUST WANNA BE CLEAR ON WHAT OUR OBJECTIVE IS OR WOULD BE FOR THESE PRESENTATIONS.
AND THAT IS, UM, UH, TO DEVELOP A SCRIPT OF SORTS OR A PRESENTATION THAT INCREASES THE VISIBILITY FOR THE ETHICS COMMISSION, UH, INCREASES GREATER OR PROVIDES A GREATER UNDERSTANDING OF THE WORK THAT WE DO, UM, UH, IDENTIFIES, UH, KEY, UH, PROJECTS, UH, REPORTS AND THE LIKE THAT WE'VE WORKED ON.
I GET A LITTLE CONCERNED IF THERE'S, IF THERE IS OR WOULD BE TOO MUCH EMPHASIS ON THE FAR ACT PER SE, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW SORT OF HOW FAR, UH, WE CAN GO WITH WHAT MIGHT BE CONSIDERED ADVOCACY FOR OR ON BEHALF OF, OR IN FAVOR OF THE FAIR ACT, LIKE SORT OF WHAT THAT LINE IS.
AND I, I ASSUME WE COULD WORK THAT OUT IN THE DISCUSSIONS, UM, UH, AMONG THE FOLKS ON THE AD HOC, BUT I JUST, THAT, THAT IS ONE CONCERN I HAVE.
SO IS THAT ALL CORRECT, UM, IN TERMS OF WHAT THE OBJECTIVE IS OR WOULD BE WITH THIS? RIGHT.
COMMISSIONER OVER, UH, THANK YOU CHAIR.
UM, ANOTHER THING I, WE SHOULD BE MINDFUL OF IS IF WE'RE GONNA HAVE THE SAME PRESENTATION FOR ALL NINE DISTRICTS, OR SIX, SEVEN OF THEM, WHATEVER, WE SHOULD KNOW WHO OUR AUDIENCE IS, RIGHT? AND OUR AUDIENCE CHANGES FROM DISTRICT.
THE MAKEUP OF THE AUDIENCE IS CHANGES.
SO IF WE'RE GONNA HAVE ONE PRESENTATION, WE SHOULD REALLY KEEP IT, WE SHOULD BE MINDFUL THAT ANYONE FROM DISTRICT ONE CAN UNDERSTAND IT TO DISTRICT THREE CAN UNDERSTAND IT.
SO WE HAVE TO, BECAUSE WE'LL LOSE PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE.
AND IF THERE'S TOO MUCH INFORMATION, WE'LL LOSE PEOPLE.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING I THINK SHOULD THINK ABOUT.
UM, SOUNDS LIKE WE HAVE A, UH, AD HOC TO GET TO LATER IN THE AGENDA.
UM, IS THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS BY THE COMMISSION ON THIS AGENDA ITEM? UM, AND, UH, WE'RE HAPPY TO BRING THIS ITEM BACK, UM, FOR, THIS IS A KIND OF A LARGER ITEM.
AND SO I THINK ACTUALLY MOVING FORWARD, BREAKING IT UP INTO SMALLER PIECES MIGHT BE HELPFUL.
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ARE OUR PRIORITIES? UM, HOW DO WE, AS COMMISSIONER NORWAY STATED, UM, HOW ARE WE COMMUNICATING AND NOT SAYING IT'S A SOCIAL MEDIA, UM, PROBLEM, BUT, UM, MAKING OUR OUTCOMES MORE VISIBLE, EVEN IF THAT'S JUST WITH THE AD HOC ON, I'M THROWING IT OUT, COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK DIVIDING, UM, KIND OF THIS TOPIC UP MIGHT BE HELPFUL TO MAKE A MORE FOCUSED DISCUSSION IN THE UPCOMING MEETINGS.
UM, BUT ANY OTHER COMMENTS? YES, COMMISSIONER PARK? WELL, I, I THINK THERE WAS ALSO SOME DESIRE FOR MORE CLARITY ON A SCHEDULE RELATING TO THE ITEMS IN THE, THE REMAINING ITEMS FROM THE HARVEY ROSE AUDIT AND THE MARCOLA STRATEGIC ROADMAP.
UM, THAT IS TYPICALLY A SIX MONTH, EVERY SIX MONTH PRESENTATION TO THE COMMISSION.
UM, AND SO, UH, WE, WE OUGHT TO MAYBE WE, WE WANNA CHANGE THAT TIMELINE, OR WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WHEN IT DOES COME UP, UH, WE ARE FOCUSED ON WHAT ARE THE HIGHEST PRIORITIES WE'RE GOING TO BE.
I KNOW WE'RE GONNA BE HEARING OVER THE NEXT 12 MONTHS ABOUT THE, THE, UH, STAFFING NEEDS, UM, BECAUSE OF THE BUDGET.
AND SO MAYBE WE NEED TO ALSO BE GIVING, UM, THE THOUGHT TO WHAT ARE OUR PRIORITIES IN THERE AND, AND THEN PUTTING REAL DATES AGAINST SOME OF THOSE PRIORITIES.
UM, BUT WE, WE COULD TAKE THAT AS A SEPARATE CHUNK BECAUSE IT ALREADY IS A, A REGULARLY SCHEDULED PRESENTATION.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION? SEEING NONE.
CAN WE GET, UM, IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM? IF THERE ARE ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, PLEASE APPROACH THE PUB, UH, THE PODIUM.
IF THERE ARE ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC IN THE ZOOM THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, PLEASE RAISE, UH, USE THE RAISE HAND FEATURE OR DIAL STAR NINE NOW.
WE CAN MOVE TO A VOTE, PLEASE.
UM, ITEM NUMBER FOUR, RECOMMENDATION TO RECEIVE AND DISCUSS.
AND IF APPROPRIATE TO ACT, TAKE ACTION ON THE UPDATED DRAFT INVESTIGATION PROTOCOL RECOMMENDATION THAT INTEGRATES THE FEEDBACK RECEIVED FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY, CITY AUDITOR, AND THE DEPARTMENT
[4. 26-55822 Recommendation to receive and discuss, and if appropriate, take action, on the updated draft investigation protocol recommendation that integrates the feedback received from the City Attorney, City Auditor, and the Department of Human Resources. Suggested Action: Approve recommendation. ]
OF HUMAN RESOURCES.MAY I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND PLEASE? SO MOVED.
IT HAS BEEN MOVED BY, UH, COMMISSIONER P*****K, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER NOR BAY.
UM, THERE'S NO REPORT ON THIS ITEM.
WE, IS IT, UM, I, I, I CREATED A DOCUMENT OH, YES.
WITH THE, UH, COMMENTS THAT WE'VE RECEIVED OVER SINCE 2023 OR MAYBE EVEN GOING EARLIER THAN THAT FROM VARIOUS DEPARTMENTS.
UM, AND I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A VERBAL REPORT IF I COULD.
UM, SO IT WAS A GOOD EXERCISE FOR ME TO BE GOING BACK AND TRYING TO PUT ALL OF THE COMMENTS INTO A SINGLE DOCUMENT BECAUSE SOME OF THEM WERE CONTRADICTORY TO ONE ANOTHER.
UM, SOME OF THEM WERE COMMENTS OFF TO THE SIDE, ET CETERA.
SO IT WAS A GOOD EXERCISE AND, AND WHAT I WANTED TO PRESENT.
SO WITHOUT GOING BACK INTO ALL THE REASONS THAT THE COMMISSION FELT AN INVESTIGATION PROTOCOL WAS AN IMPORTANT PRIORITY AT THE TIME, IT WAS, IT, IT CAME OUT OF THE HARVEY ROSE AUDIT, BUT, UM, AND, BUT, BUT IT WAS ALSO A PRIORITY FOR THE COMMISSION FOR A VARIETY OF REASONS.
UM, IT, IT, AND LOOKING BACK AT IT, THERE ARE THINGS IN THERE THAT MAY NOT BE NECESSARY OR APPROPRIATE.
UM, IT WAS FILLING AN ABSOLUTE VOID AND VACUUM.
UM, BUT FROM THE COMMENTS, I CAME UP WITH SOME AREAS WHERE THERE SEEMED TO BE GENERAL AGREEMENT
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AMONG CITY STAFF.PUTTING ASIDE FOR A MOMENT, THE, A MOST RECENT HR RECOMMENDATION THAT THE COMMISSION STEP BACK AND SIMPLY HAVE CITY STAFF WORK, THIS CITY STAFF COULD HAVE WORKED THIS FOR THE LAST THREE AND A HALF YEARS SINCE WE FIRST TOOK IT UP AND DID NOT.
UM, SO I FEEL LIKE WE SHOULD CONTINUE TO WORK IT.
UM, BUT A BUT HERE'S THE AREAS WHERE THERE SEEMS TO BE AGREEMENT AMONG CITY STAFF.
NUMBER ONE, INVESTIGATORS SHOULD HAVE THE TRAINING AND THE TIME TO CONDUCT THE INVESTIGATION PROPERLY.
DECISIONS THAT AN INVESTIGATION IS NOT MERITED SHOULD BE DOCUMENTED.
THERE SHOULD BE A CASE MANAGEMENT SYSTEM, ALTHOUGH IT'S NOT CLEAR THAT THERE'S AGREEMENT AS TO WHETHER IT'S ONE CITYWIDE CASE MANAGEMENT SYSTEM OR MULTIPLE CASE MANAGEMENT SYSTEMS. BUT EVERYONE CONDUCTING AN INVESTIGATION SHOULD BE WORKING WITH A CASE MANAGEMENT SYSTEM.
AND THAT, A, AN ABSOLUTE TIMEFRAME TO COMPLETE INVESTIGATIONS IS NOT REALLY WORKABLE, GIVEN THE NA THE VAST DISPARITY OF THE TYPES OF INVESTIGATIONS THAT ARE, ARE, UM, ENCOUNTERED.
BUT THAT GOALS MAY BE APPROPRIATE FOR WHEN THE, THE INVESTIGATION SHOULD BE COMPLETED.
UM, THE, UH, CITY AUDITOR PROPOSED TO ASSIGN RESPONSIBILITIES FOR VARIOUS CATEGORIES OF INVESTIGATIONS TO SPECIFIC ORGANIZATIONS.
UM, THE COMMISSION WHEN WE FIRST CONSIDERED THE INVESTIGATION PROTOCOL DECIDED THAT WE WOULD NOT TAKE THAT ON, THAT IT WAS NOT OUR PLACE TO TELL HR THAT THEY HAD TO CONDUCT INVESTIGATIONS IN CERTAIN CATEGORIES, AUDITOR IN OTHER CATEGORIES, ET CETERA.
UH, UM, I, I, I, I THOUGHT THE CITY AUDITORS ASSIGNMENT OF RESPONSIBILITIES MADE A LOT OF SENSE.
UM, BUT I THINK THAT HAS TO COME FROM CITY STAFF, NOT FROM THE COMMISSION.
UM, SO I WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE THAT WE HAVE ANOTHER AD HOC THAT TAKES WHAT WE HAVE, WHERE THERE'S A LOT OF AREAS OF AGREEMENT.
AND, UM, AND REDO THIS FROM THE START.
AND I WOULD INCLUDE WITH THAT THE AUDITOR'S RECOMMENDATION ON ASSIGNMENT OF RESPONSIBILITIES FOR CITY STAFF TO COMMENT AS TO WHETHER THEY AGREE WITH THAT SUPPOSE PROPOSED ASSIGNMENT OR IF THERE'S SOMETHING MISSING FROM THAT, OR, OR IF THEY DISAGREE FROM, FROM DIFFERENT AREAS.
UM, AND, UH, AND WE HAVE ANOTHER GO AT IT.
COMMISSIONER EATON OR VICE CHAIR.
UM, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER P*****K.
I, I, UM, WHOLEHEARTEDLY AGREE WITH THE PROPOSAL TO START FROM THE BEGINNING, START FRESH, BUT UNDERSTANDING OR, OR WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT WE WOULD INCORPORATE AREAS OF AGREEMENT THAT MAKES SENSE TO ME.
UM, I, UH, IN MY WORK, UH, IN MY PROFESSIONAL WORK, I CONDUCT INVESTIGATIONS.
THIS IS REALLY SORT OF THE BREAD AND BUTTER OF, OF MY WORK OVER THE COURSE OF MY CAREER.
AND, UM, THERE ARE, THERE IS A STRUCTURE THAT WE CAN EMPLOY THAT, THAT MAKES SENSE, THAT I THINK WOULD BE HELPFUL TO THE CITY.
UM, A PROCESS MAP, IF YOU WILL, THAT WOULD BE, UM, PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD.
UH, CERTAINLY A LOT LESS CONFUSING THAN WHAT'S REFLECTED IN THE DRAFT DOCUMENT HERE.
UH, AND THAT I THINK WOULD BE HELPFUL TO CITY STAFF, UH, IN, IN, UM, ACCOMPLISHING THEIR INVESTIGATORY RESPONSIBILITIES.
SO I'D BE HAPPY TO PARTICIPATE AS A PART OF THE AD HOC COMMISSIONER GILLETTE.
I, I AGREE WITH THE CASE MANAGEMENT SYSTEM AND THE NEED FOR IT.
I DO BELIEVE, THOUGH, THAT WHEN THERE ARE VARIOUS UMBRELLAS OF INVESTIGATIONS, DIFFERENT ARMS, UH, TO A POINT WHERE SOME ARE IMPLICATED AND THEY CAN'T TOUCH IT, I WOULD, UH, I THINK IT SHOULD BE, UH, SEPARATE CASE MANAGEMENT SYSTEM SO THAT THOSE WHO ARE IMPLICATED DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE ACCESS TO THOSE TYPES OF INVESTIGATIONS.
UM, I ALSO DO INVESTIGATIONS AT WORK OR HANDLE INVESTIGATIONS, SO I'D LOVE TO BE
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A PART OF THAT AD HOC TOO.COMMISSIONER DE BENEDICTUS, SAME, UH, SAME SUPPORT, UH, LEVEL OF SUPPORT.
ALSO WOULD LIKE TO OFFER MY, UM, EXPERTISE IN INVESTIGATIONS, UH, INCLUDING WRITING MANY POLICIES AND, AND HELPING THEM WITH CROSS-FUNCTIONAL TYPES OF CONCERNS WHEN YOU HAVE THESE KINDS OF INVESTIGATIONS.
'CAUSE I DO THINK THERE ARE A LOT OF TURF ISSUES, UH, UH, THAT WE CAN EXPECT.
UM, WHERE THERE HASN'T BEEN ANYTHING EXPLORED UP UNTIL THIS POINT.
MY ONE CONCERN ABOUT THE DOCUMENT WHEN IT FIRST CAME UP WAS I WASN'T SURE WHO WAS THE OWNER.
UH, SINCE STAFF IS OWNER, I'D LIKE TO HEAR BACK FROM STAFF, UM, IF THERE'RE OPEN TO THIS IDEA OF POSSIBLY AN AD HOC OR IF NOT, UH, PREPARED TO GIVE OUR MY RECOMMENDATIONS TO THIS DOCUMENT AS IT STANDS.
BUT I THINK IT'S, UH, IT'S A GREAT IDEA TO START FRESH.
COMMISSIONER NOR THANK YOU CHAIR.
UM, I AGREE WITH THE CASE MANAGEMENT, UH, SYSTEM OR PROCESS.
MY ONLY CONCERN IS WHO WOULD OWN THE PROCESS.
UM, BUT I GUESS WE COULD TALK ABOUT THAT.
BUT WHO WOULD OWN THE PROCESS? UH, MY SECOND COMMENT IS WHEN YOU READ THE SUBJECT LINE DRAFT INVESTIGATION PROTOCOL RECOMMENDATION, IF YOU READ THE, THE ENTIRE DOCUMENT, UH, THE PRESENTATION IS MORE OF AN OVERVIEW OF LIKE CAMPAIGN ACCOUNTS, UH, POLITICAL SPENDING ACCOUNTS FOR LONG BEACH ELECTED OFFICIALS.
IT HAS CANDIDATE ACCOUNTS, OFFICE HOLDER ACCOUNTS, UH, UH, DIVIDE BY NINE, UH, A REFERENCE TO DIVIDE BY NINE AND DISCRETIONARY OFFICE OPERATING ACCOUNTS.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF WE WOULD CONSIDER REWORDING, UM, THIS ITEM 'CAUSE IT'S JUST NOT INVESTIGATION PROTOCOL.
UM, JUST THROWING THAT OUT THERE.
UM, COMMISSIONER VE I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, UM, THAT WE'RE ON THE CORRECT DOCUMENT THAT YOU'RE REVIEWING THAT, UH, UH, IS FOR ITEM NUMBER FIVE, UM, THE DISCRETIONARY IN ITS DISCUSSING THE SOCIAL MEDIA, UM, OR TRANSITION ITEMS. UM, I'M ON THE RIGHT ONE.
THERE'S NO DISCUSSION OF ACCOUNTS IN THIS DRAFT AT ALL.
UM, WHILE WE REVIEW THAT, UM, I THINK COMMISSIONER DE BENEDICTUS DID, UH, HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE STAFF.
UM, AND COMMISSIONER DE BENEDICTUS, PLEASE DON'T LET ME MISQUOTE YOU.
UM, BUT IT WAS WHETHER THERE WAS, UM, A, UH, THE STAFF HAVE HAD A VIEW ON WHETHER THERE SHOULD BE AN AD HOC, UM, THAT WOULD REVIEW THIS DRAFT AND PER, UH, IN INVESTIGATION PROTOCOL, UM, AT ALL.
COMMISSIONER DEAN MANIC AS I SAW YOU ON MUTE, DID YOU HAVE MORE TO ADD? NO, I DON'T HAVE MORE TO ADD.
THAT'S EXACTLY, UH, MY CONCERN.
I, UH, SINCE IT IS A STAFF DOCUMENT AT THIS POINT MM-HMM
AS I UNDERSTAND IT, AND, UH, I THANK, UH, COMMISSIONER P*****K FOR, UH, REFINING IT FOR US TO MAKE IT AN EASY READ.
UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT WE, WE HAVE A LOT TO OFFER AND TO SHARE, YOU KNOW, GIVING THEM FEEDBACK.
IT'S REALLY A MATTER OF HOW DOES STAFF WANT TO APPROACH THIS AND HOW WE CAN BEST SERVE THEM.
IT'S A COMMISSION DOCUMENT, SO.
UM, I'M HEARING THAT WE HAVE A THUMBS UP TO KEEP GOING.
SORRY, UH, CHAIR, I JUST WANNA CLARIFY, COMMISSIONER DE BENEDICTUS IS, THIS IS A COMMISSION DOCUMENT.
THIS, THE DRAFT WAS PUT TOGETHER IN 2023 ISH, MAYBE EVEN 2022.
YEAH, IT WAS KIND OF GOING ON WHILE I WAS COMING ON BOARD.
UM, SO I'M HAPPY TO SUPPORT AN AD HOC, BUT I JUST WANNA CLARIFY THAT THIS IS COMPLETELY A COMMISSION DOCUMENT, UH, THAT HAS STAFF FEEDBACK.
AS WE'VE BEEN HAVING THIS DISCUSSION, I'VE BEEN WONDERING
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WHETHER, WELL, SO WE'LL CREATE AN AD HOC COMMITTEE TO, UM, BASICALLY REDO THIS, UM, UH, SCRAP IT AND START FRESH, UH, SCRAP THE INVESTIGATIONS PROTOCOL AS DRAFTED AND START FRESH, UM, UH, WITH, IDEALLY WITH A, UM, WORK PRODUCT THAT, UH, UH, SETS FORTH A, UM, USER-FRIENDLY, IF YOU WILL, BROADLY APPLICABLE INVESTIGATIONS PROTOCOL.AND BY BROADLY APPLICABLE, COULD BE USED BY MULTIPLE DIVISIONS OR UNITS WITHIN THE CITY OF LONG BEACH.
UM, UH, UH, I AM WONDERING, WE, WE WILL PUT FORTH THIS MODEL, UH, UM, I THINK I WOULD LIKE TO GIVE SOME THOUGHT TO WHAT HAPPENS WITH THAT MODEL AND HOW, UM, WE COULD OR SHOULD, UH, BE THINKING ABOUT ENCOURAGING THE UNITS TO ADOPT IT, BECAUSE I, UH, WOULD BE CONCERNED ABOUT PUTTING A LOT OF EFFORT INTO DEVELOPING AN INVESTIGATIONS MODEL OR PROTOCOL AS WE'VE, UM, BEEN CALLING IT.
BUT, UH, AN INVESTIGATIONS MODEL THAT DOESN'T GO ANYWHERE.
AND SO I, I JUST WOULD WANT US TO GIVE SOME THOUGHT TO THAT.
MAYOR P*****K, DID YOU HAVE, OH, SORRY.
UM, I THINK THAT WE MIGHT BE ADDING AN AD HOC, BUT IT ALSO MIGHT BE HELPFUL TO GO BACK AND THINK ONCE THAT AD HOC IS CREATED, UM, TO VICE CHAIR EDEN'S POINT, WHAT IS THE OUTCOME THAT WE ARE TRYING TO ACHIEVE, UM, BY THE CREATION? UM, AND IF IT WILL GO THROUGH ANOTHER ROUND OF MARKUPS BY THE CITY ATTORNEY, CITY AUDITOR, AND DEPARTMENT OF HUMAN RESOURCES WITHOUT A NECESSARILY ENACTMENT, UM, IF THAT IS A BEST USE OF THE RESOURCES OF THE COMMISSION, UM, BUT, UH, THINK THAT WE SHOULD, IT IS STILL WORTH STANDING UP, WHICH WE CAN DO AT A LATER ITEM.
UM, IF THERE'S NO FURTHER COMMENT BY THE COMMISSION, DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM? IF THERE ARE ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM IN PERSON, PLEASE APPROACH PODIUM.
THERE ARE ANY MEMBERS IN ZOOM THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, PLEASE USE THE RAISE HAND FEATURE OR DIAL STAR NINE NOW.
SEEING NONE, WE CAN MOVE TO A VOTE.
COMMISSIONER D BENEDICTUS? AYE.
ITEM NUMBER FIVE, RECOMMENDATION TO RECEIVE AND FILE A MONTHLY UPDATE FROM THE AD HOC COMMITTEE ON SOCIAL MEDIA AND CAMPAIGN ACTIVITY.
MAY I GET A MOTION FOR THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONER GILL MOVED.
MAY I HAVE A SECOND? COMMISSIONER GILLETTE HAS BEEN MOVED BY COMMISSIONER GILL AND, UH, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER GILLETTE.
UM, I BELIEVE COMMISSIONER GILL, YOU WILL BE PRESENTING ON THIS ITEM? YES.
[5. 26-55823 Recommendation to receive and file monthly update from the Ad Hoc Committee on Social Media and Campaign Activity. Suggested Action: Approve recommendation. ]
UH, THANK YOU.UM, SO WE CONTINUE TO, THE AD HOC CONTINUES TO, UM, MOVE FORWARD ON THIS, UH, EFFORT.
THE FOCUS IS ON SOCIAL MEDIA BASED ON TO MAKE SURE THERE'S GOOD DEFINITION AND SEPARATION BETWEEN CAMPAIGN AND, UH, OFFICIAL BUSINESS.
ALSO, UH, UH, UH, WE'VE PUT A LOT OF FOCUS IN ON WHAT HAPPENS TO THE CONTACT LISTS WHEN THEY GO AS THEY TEND TO FROM THE CAM, UH, THE CANDIDATE'S CAMPAIGN, CAMPAIGN CONTACT LIST, AND THE CANDIDATE.
IF AND WHEN THEY WIN, THEY OFTEN WILL, UH, COMMINGLE THAT LIST IN WITH ADDITIONALLY, UM, ADDED TWO CONTACTS THAT MIGHT HAVE USED CITY RESOURCES TO ADD TO THOSE.
SO, UM, WE'VE COME UP WITH SOME ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE FOR THAT IN CONVERSATION AND BRAND MEETINGS.
WE'VE ALSO, UH, ADDED A CONCEPT OF A GRANDFATHERED IN SO THAT PEOPLE ARE NOT, UH, ELECTED THAT ARE IN OFFICE TODAY ARE NOT SURPRISED BY THIS.
IT WAS UN MIGHT HAVE BEEN UNEXPECTED, WHEREAS FOR THEN THOSE WHO THEN WOULD COME ELECTED IN
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THE FUTURE, IT WOULD BE A KNOWN, UH, SO THEY WOULD BE, THEY COULD BE IF THEY WANTED TO BE MUCH MORE CAREFUL WITH THEIR CONTACT LIST.UH, WE'VE ALSO HAD CONVERSATION AND ADDED, UM, SOME THOUGHTS AROUND ENFORCEMENT AND THAT THIS NEEDS TO BE AN ORDINANCE.
UM, BECAUSE BEING JUST A POLICY OF BEING CENSORED WHEN YOU'RE OUT THE DOOR WOULD HAVE, UH,
SO THIS, UH, WE BELIEVE DOES NEED TO BE AN ORDINANCE, AND THAT'S IN THE ENFORCEMENT SUGGESTION DOWN BELOW, UH, AT THE VERY END OF THE DOCUMENT.
UH, AND THAT'S, UH, I THINK WE'RE MOVING THIS PRETTY FAR ALONG AND, UH, OPEN FOR COMMENTS.
ARE THERE ANY, UH, VICE CHAIR? I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT I APPRECIATED THE WORK THAT WENT INTO, UM, THIS, UH, EFFORT.
UM, UH, IT WAS, UH, INCREDIBLY HELPFUL THAT MATERIALS THAT WERE PREPARED WERE INCREDIBLY HELPFUL IN HELPING ME SORT OF UNDERSTAND WHAT THE PROBLEM WAS.
AND THEN I, UM, UH, REALLY APPRECIATED THE, THE RECOMMENDATION, THE CLEAR AND CONCISE RECOMMENDATION.
I JUST WONDER SORT OF WHAT THE NEXT STEP IS OR WOULD BE HERE, UH, IS, UM, IS THE, UH, INTENT HERE TO CALL FOR A, UM, UH, VOTE ON APPROVING THE RECOMMENDATION? YES.
IF THERE ARE NO FURTHER ADDEDS, UM, TO THE DOCUMENT, THE CALL WOULD BE, UM, TO NOW PROVIDE THIS AS A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL AND MAYOR.
I DO WANT TO HIGHLIGHT, UM, THAT THERE WAS, UM, UH, REAL THOUGHT PUT IN, IN SEVERAL MEETINGS BY COMMISSIONER P*****K COMMISSIONER, UH, UH, YEAH, COMMISSIONER P*****K.
UH, COMMISSIONER P*****K, COMMISSIONER GILL, UM, AND MYSELF OF ADDRESSING SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT, UH, VARIOUS COMMISSIONERS, ESPECIALLY COMMISSIONER NOVE, I THINK YOUR POINTS THE LAST TIME THIS WAS RAISED WERE INCREDIBLY HELPFUL AND WE TRIED TO ADDRESS AS MANY AS, UM, WERE, UH, THAT WE COULD HERE.
UM, AND SO WE REALLY THANK THE COMMISSION FOR THE PROCESS.
UM, WE ALSO THANK, UM, MILLICENT, UM, FOR YOUR TIME AND, YOU KNOW, WALKING US THROUGH SOME OF THE LEGAL STANDARDS HERE AND ANSWERING OUR QUESTIONS AFTER THAT WE WERE BUGGING YOU WITH FOR A COUPLE DAYS IN A ROW TO TRY TO GET THIS ACROSS THE FINISH LINE.
UM, WE DO THINK THIS, UM, POLICY, UH, OR, OR RECOMMENDATIONS, SORRY, AS IT STANDS IS, UM, THE, UH, MOST COMPLETE VERSION WITHOUT KIND OF THE, WHAT WE HAVE DONE IN THE PAST OF CREATING A FULL, UH, KIND OF RECOMMENDATION WITH, UH, LANGUAGE THAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE IN THE ORDINANCE.
UM, IT PROVIDES REALLY, I THINK, A, A BIG STEP IN ALLOWING, UM, UH, UH, CITIZENS OF THE DISTRICTS AND OF THE CITY TO MAINTAIN THEIR ACCESS TO DO TO THEIR, UH, NORMAL, UH, WAYS THAT THEY WERE RECEIVING COMMUNICATIONS FROM PRIOR COUNCIL MEMBERS AND MAYORS.
UM, AND TO KNOW THAT THEY COULD STILL RECEIVE INFORMATION.
THE, UH, TOPIC THAT WE KEPT GOING BACK TO IN OUR COMMUNICATIONS WERE, UM, IF THERE IS A FLASH FLOOD, I KNOW THAT I CAN RELY ON, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, THE FACEBOOK OF MY OR OR INSTAGRAM OF MY COUNCIL MEMBER TO LET ME KNOW WHERE I CAN GET, UH, SANDBAGS AND HOW I CAN BEST PROTECT MYSELF.
UM, AND IF THAT ACCOUNT NO LONGER EXISTS, I WOULD, I, AND THE REST OF THE, UM, PEOPLE OF MY DISTRICT WOULD NOW HAVE TO GO AND TRY TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET THAT ACCESS.
UM, AND IT DOESN'T STOP THERE.
THERE ARE A VARIETY OF OTHER REASONS THAT, UH, A CONTINUANCE FROM ELECTION TO ELECTION, UM, MATTERS.
UM, AND WE REALLY DO THINK THAT THIS IS A SOLID RECOMMENDATION GOING FORWARD, UM, TO MAKE SURE THAT TRANSITIONS ARE SMOOTH, UM, THAT INFORMATION REMAINS INTACT, UM, AND THAT, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE OF LONG BEACH CONTINUE TO RECEIVE THE COMMUNICATIONS THAT THEY SO FORTH, UM, WOULD EXPECT.
COMMISSIONER NORRA, DID YOU HAVE YEAH.
UM, I DID NOTICE THAT SOME OF THE SUGGESTIONS OR COMMENTS THAT I MADE, UH, AND I BELIEVE IN MAY, UH, WERE, UM, CLARIFIED OR STRENGTHENED, UH, THE ENFORCEMENT PART, THE DIVIDE BY NINE, KIND OF AN EXPLANATION.
UM, UH, I KNOW STAFFING COSTS WEREN'T IN THERE, BUT I'M SURE THE AD HOC HAD A REASON.
AND, UM, AND MY, MY REMAINING CONCERN IS THE DEFINITION OF OFFICIAL BUSINESS
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THAT REMAINS, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S VERY CLEAR IN THIS DOCUMENT, THE DEFINITION OF OFFICIAL BUSINESS.WHAT IS OFFICIAL BUSINESS? UM, IT IS PURPOSELY NOT DEFINED.
THERE WAS CON THERE WAS CONVERSATIONS ABOUT IT.
UM, AND OKAY, WE ARE HAPPY TO EXPLAIN, BUT IT, IT IS, THERE WERE CONVER IT WAS NOT, UM, KIND OF TOSSED ASIDE GENTLY.
WE, WE DID HAVE CONVERSATIONS.
AND THEN IN TERMS OF THE, UM, GRANDFATHERING, YES.
UM, IS THERE GONNA BE A DATE OR YOU'RE LEAVING THAT OPEN FOR NOW? SO THE, AND I APOLOGIZE IF IT WASN'T AS CLEAR THERE.
SO THE, IT WOULD BE THE DATE THAT THE ORDINANCE IS ENACTED.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? LEMME JUST READ THIS.
SO ACTUALLY AS CURRENTLY WRITTEN, THIS DOES NOT ALLOW US TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION.
WOULD WE BE ABLE TO GET A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT OR WOULD WE NEED TO BRING THIS FOR THE NEXT? UH, UNFORTUNATELY NO.
IT'S A RECEIVE AND FILE AND THAT'S ALL, UH, THE COMMISSION CAN DO IS RECEIVE THE PRESENTATION, UM, AND REPORT.
SO THE NEXT STEPS WOULD BE TO AGENDIZE AN ITEM TO, UM, APPROVE THE REPORT OR, AND, OR SEND A LETTER, A RECOMMENDATION LETTER TO COUNCIL.
UM, IT'S PROBABLY EASIER TO STREAMLINE IT AND DO IT IN, IN ONE, UM, MEETING.
UM, WILL SOMEONE DO A FINAL REVIEW OF THIS BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME GRAMMAR ISSUES? SURE, I CAN, YES, I CAN SEND THEM.
UM, IF YOU WANT TO SEND THEM, HOW DID WE, HOW HAVE WE DONE THIS IN THE PAST? DO THEY SEND IT TO YOU? CAN THEY, IT'S JUST GRAMMAR.
UM, WE CAN RECEIVE IT DIRECTLY, RIGHT? YOU MEAN, UH, COMMISSIONER NORWAY? SENDING IT TO WHOM? DIRECTLY TO THE AD HOC? UH, IT WOULD, I WOULD RECOMMEND HE SEND IT TO STAFF AND THEN, AND STAFF CAN TRANSMIT IT.
SO PLEASE SEND IT TO HEATHER AND, UM, IF WE CAN GO FROM THERE.
UM, ANY OTHER, UM, UH, COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION? IF NOT, ANY COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC? THERE ARE ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM IN PERSON, PLEASE LINE UP AT THE PODIUM.
THERE ARE ANY MEMBERS IN THE ZOOM THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM.
PLEASE RAISE, UH, USE THE RAISE HAND FEATURE OR DIAL STAR NINE NOW.
COMMISSIONER D BENEDICTIS? AYE.
UM, MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER SIX.
UH, RECOMMENDATION TO RECEIVE AND FILE
[6. 26-55824 Recommendation to receive and file monthly update from the Ad Hoc Committee on Commission Responsibilities. Suggested Action: Approve recommendation. ]
MONTHLY UPDATE FROM THE AD HOC COMMITTEE ON COMMISSION RESPONSIBILITIES.UH, MAY I HAVE A MOTION? SO MOVED.
IT'S BEEN MOVED BY VICE CHAIR EATON.
SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER P*****K.
UM, IS THERE ANY REPORT FROM THE AD HOC CHAIR? THERE IS NO, YOU, YOU'RE CHAIR, THERE IS NO UPDATE FROM THIS AD HOC.
THE INTENT WOULD BE TO SCHEDULE A FOLLOW UP MEETING, UH, AND WE WILL DO THAT SHORTLY.
IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM? IF THERE ARE ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, PLEASE APPROACH THE PODIUM.
IF THERE ARE ANY MEMBERS IN THE ZOOM CHAT THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, PLEASE USE THE RAISE HAND FEATURE OR DIAL STAR NINE NOW.
SEEING NONE, WE CAN MOVE TO A VOTE.
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COMMISSIONER D BENEDICTUS? AYE.COMMISSIONER GI? COMMISSIONER GILLETTE.
[7. 26-55825 Recommendation to discuss anticipated Ad Hoc Committees for upcoming projects; and, if appropriate, take action to dissolve, create or reauthorize Ad Hoc Committees. Suggested Action: Approve recommendation. ]
RECOMMENDATION TO DISCUSS ANTICIPATED AD HOC COMMITTEES FOR UPCOMING PROJECTS.AND IF APPROPRIATE, TAKE ACTION TO DISSOLVE, CREATE OR REAUTHORIZED AD HOC COMMITTEES MAY HAVE A MOTION FOR THIS ITEM.
IT'S BEEN MOVED BY COMMISSIONER, UH, COMMISSIONER P*****K, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER DE BENEDICTUS.
UM, IT SEEMS LIKE FROM OUR DISCUSSION TODAY THAT WE HAVE TWO AD HOCS THAT WE ARE CONSIDERING.
THE FIRST BEING THE AD HOC ON COMMUNITY OUTREACH.
AND THE SECOND BEING AN AD HOC ON INVESTIGATIVE PROTOCOL, IT WOULD LIKELY MAKE SENSE TO TAKE VOTES ON THEM SEPARATELY.
SO FOR THE FIRST ONE, UM, WOULD WE, I THINK I WOULD NEED A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT HERE, RIGHT? A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT TO, TO AUTHORIZE, AUTHORIZE THE ESTABLISHMENT OF A SPECIFIC YES.
AND WE NEED THE NAMES OF THE EACH, UH, THE NAMES OF EACH COMMISSIONER AT EACH AD HOC.
SO WE SHOULD DISCUSS THAT BEFORE.
UM, SO FOR THE AD HOC ON COMMUNITY OUTREACH, ARE THERE INDIVIDUALS THAT WOULD LIKE TO JOIN THAT CONTEMPLATED AD HOC? I WILL, I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN MYSELF IN BEING INVOLVED IN IT.
THEN THE SECOND AD HOC THAT WE ARE CONTEMPLATING IS THE AD HOC ON, UM, THE INVESTIGATIVE PROTOCOL.
UM, ARE THERE INDIVIDUALS THAT WOULD LIKE TO BE INVOLVED IN THAT? UH, I'M COUNTING ON OTHER PEOPLE SINCE I JUST SIGNED UP FOR COMMUNITY.
I'LL SEND YOU A SOFT COPY AND THROW IT OUT.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD BE INTERESTED IN JOINING THE AD AD HOC HEARING? NONE.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A FRIENDLY ADMIN AMENDMENT TO, UH, ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, WHICH WOULD BE TO CREATE THE AD HOC ON COMMUNITY OUTREACH, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE, UM, COMMISSIONER COLEMAN AND P*****K AND AS WELL AS CREATE THE AD HOC ON AN INVESTIGATIVE PROTOCOL, WHICH WOULD BE, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE VICE CHAIR, EATON AND GILLETTE.
UM, THE MOTION WAS MADE BY COMMISSIONER P*****K.
WOULD YOU ACCEPT MY FRIENDLY AMENDMENT? I ACCEPT THE FRIENDLY AMENDMENT.
IT WAS ALSO, IT WAS SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER DIE BENEDICTUS.
WOULD YOU ALSO ACCEPT MY FRIENDLY AMENDMENT? I DO.
SO WOULD WE NOW BE ABLE TO TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT OR DO WE NEED TO TAKE A VOTE ON THAT? YOU NEED TO TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT.
IF THERE ARE ANY MEMBERS IN THE ZOOM, UH, CHAT THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, PLEASE USE THE RAISE HAND FEATURE OR DIAL STAR NINE NOW.
SEEING NONE, WE CAN MOVE TO A VOTE NOW AS AMENDED.
COMMISSIONER, OR I'M SORRY, VICE CHAIR EATON.
ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, RECOMMENDATION TO RECEIVE
[8. 26-55826 Recommendation to receive and file a monthly update from the Ethics Officer. Suggested Action: Approve recommendation. ]
AND FOUL A MONTHLY UPDATE FROM THE ETHICS OFFICER.MAY I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND? SO MOVED.
IT'S BEEN MOVED BY COMMISSIONER P*****K AND SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER, UH, UH, GILLETTE.
UM, HEATHER, DO YOU HAVE A REPORT? YES.
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THANK YOU CHAIR.WELCOME BACK FROM SUMMER BREAK.
UM, I MENTIONED AMANDA EARLIER, SO WE DID FILL, UM, OUR FTE VACANCY FOR OUR NEW CLERK TYPIST.
UH, SHE'LL JOIN US NEXT MONTH AT THIS MEETING.
UM, I'M SURE YOU CAN UNDERSTAND HER ATTENTION IS FOCUSED ON, UH, LEARNING ALL THINGS PRA RIGHT NOW.
UM, JIMMY AND FRANKIE, SO FRANKIE'S HERE WITH US, THEY'LL BE WRAPPING UP THEIR INTERNSHIP SOON AT THE END OF THIS MONTH.
UM, AT THE SAME TIME, WE'RE CURRENTLY ONBOARDING TWO NEW INTERNS THROUGH OUR PARTNERSHIP WITH LONG BEACH CITY COLLEGE.
UH, WE'VE DONE A FEW UPDATES THAT HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED, UH, TO ORGAN ORGANIZATIONAL DEVELOPMENT, UM, UH, FRAMEWORK MICRO TRAINING THAT WILL BE ATTACHED TO THE CODE OF CONDUCT ANNUAL TRAINING.
WE'VE ALSO DONE SOME UPDATES TO THE ACTUAL CODE OF CONDUCT TRAINING ON THE LEARN PLATFORM.
UM, I DON'T MAKE THOSE UPDATES ANYMORE.
I, WE RELY ON THE ORG DEVELOPMENT TEAM, SO THEY HAVE ALL OF THAT, UH, JUST WAITING FOR THAT TO, TO GET UPDATED.
UM, ALSO DESIGNED AND RELEASED, UM, A FRAMEWORK MICRO PACKET THAT WILL BE INCLUDED WITH THE NEW, UM, ELECTED OFFICIALS ONBOARDING PACKET, UH, THAT WILL BE DELIVERED TO OUR NEW OFFICIALS AT THE END OF THIS YEAR.
HAD QUITE A FEW COMMISSION VISITS, UH, THIS SUMMER.
UM, WE'VE SPENT A LOT OF TIME THIS SUMMER ON, UH, OUR PRA TRAINING LIBRARY, HAVE DONE QUITE A FEW TARGETED TRAININGS.
OUR OFFICE HOURS CONTINUE TO GET, UM, A LOT OF PARTICIPATION.
UH, NEXT MONTH WE WILL BE KIND OF GOING BACK TO BASICS, UM, AND OFFERING A GENERAL PRA TRAINING CITYWIDE TIME SHEETS.
SO WE'RE FINALLY MOVING TO AN ELECTRONIC FORMAT NEXT MONTH.
UM, SO ONCE THAT, ACTUALLY, THERE'S A LOT OF TRAINING AND STUFF GOING ON NOW, BUT ONCE THAT ACTUALLY HAPPENS, UM, I'LL BE IN CHARGE OF PUTTING IN YOUR TIME, UM, INTO THIS SYSTEM.
SO YOU WILL HAVE ZERO RESPONSIBILITY, UM, WHEN IT COMES TO TIME SHEETS.
SO AGAIN, WORD ON THE STREET IS THAT IS TO HAPPEN NEXT MONTH.
UM, AND THEN I JUST WANTED TO END THE REPORT BY TALKING A LITTLE BIT, UM, ABOUT THE FY 27 BUDGET.
UM, AS WE KNOW, I IMAGINE YOU GUYS ARE ALL READING, UH, THE CITY FACES A $58.2 MILLION STRUCTURAL DEFICIT GOING INTO THIS NEXT FISCAL YEAR.
UM, AND IN ORDER TO BALANCE THE $4 BILLION PROPOSED BUDGET, UH, CITY OFFICIALS OR THE CITY MANAGER PROPOSAL, UM, INCLUDES ELIMINATING 413 POSITIONS.
UM, SOME OF THOSE ARE VACANCIES, BUT 263 OF THOSE ARE ACTUAL PEOPLE.
UH, SO I JUST WANT TO SHED SOME LIGHT ON THAT, THAT, UM, THE BUDGET STRUGGLES ARE REAL, UM, AND HAVING A VERY HUMAN IMPACT.
UM, SINCE THE CIVIL SERVICE RULES ARE SENIORITY BASED, UM, A POSITION REDUCTION IN ONE DEPARTMENT HAS THE POTENTIAL TO AFFECT AN EMPLOYEE IN A DIFFERENT DEPARTMENT.
UM, SO UNTIL THE BUDGET IS, UM, APPROVED AND PASSES, NO, NOT EVERYONE KNOWS, UM, IF THEY'LL BE LOSING, UH, THEIR JOB IN THE NEXT MONTH OR SO.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF ANXIETY, A LOT OF STRESS.
UM, OUR CITY MANAGER HAS BEEN A HUNDRED PERCENT TRANSPARENT AND COMMUNICATIVE WITH ALL THE DIFFERENT, UM, THINGS THAT GO INTO, YOU KNOW, THE HARD STUFF THAT GOES INTO, UM, THESE BUDGET DECISIONS.
JUST WANTED TO SHARE THAT SOME OF THE SUPPORTIVE RESOURCES THAT THE CITY HAS IN PLACE.
SO WE HAVE A, WHAT'S CALLED A REDUCTION IN FORCE EMPLOYEE PORTAL.
UM, HR HAS WEEKLY OFFICE HOURS.
UM, WE HAVE EXISTING ALREADY, UM, OUR EMPLOYEE ASSISTANCE PROGRAM.
SO THIS INCLUDES PROFESSIONAL COUNSELING, STRESS MANAGEMENT RESOURCES, FINANCIAL CONSULTATION AND TRANSITION GUIDANCE.
AND AGAIN, THIS IS ALWAYS AVAILABLE TO ALL EMPLOYEES, BUT DEFINITELY DOING A LOT OF PROMOTION OF THAT RIGHT NOW.
AND THEN AGAIN, THE PORTAL HAS ALL KINDS OF FACT SHEETS AND, UM, INQUIRY FORMS, ET CETERA.
UM, I DID WANNA TALK ABOUT, UM, I KNOW I, I TALKED WITH A COUPLE OF YOU.
I APPRECIATE YOU REACHING OUT.
UH, THERE WAS SOME CONCERN THAT THE OET WAS LOSING THE ETHICS OFFICER POSITION.
UM, SO IT REMAINS FULLY IN PLACE.
I KNOW THAT I'VE TALKED THOSE THAT YOU THAT REACHED OUT, I'VE CONFIRMED THAT THAT POSITION IS REMAINING FULLY IN PLACE.
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IT WAS JUST, UM, SO WE HAVE A ROUTINE BUDGETING STEP.IT WAS MISTAKENLY LEFT CODED UNDER SPECIAL PROJECTS OFFICER IN OUR FM SYSTEM.
SO THAT'S BEING CORRECTED FOR THE ADOPTED BUDGET FOR PUBLIC FACING MATERIALS.
UM, WE HAVE AN ARCHAIC SYSTEM.
SO THE WAY IT'S SET UP RIGHT NOW, IT, THERE'S A PERSON THAT ACTUALLY HAS TO GO IN EVERY YEAR AND, UM, CODED ACTUALLY FOR MY POSITION.
SO THE ETHICS OFFICER, IT IS A, IT HAS ITS OWN LINE ITEM, UM, ET CETERA.
SO I JUST WANTED, JUST WANTED TO CONFIRM THAT THE OET, UM, WILL BE OPERATING AT ITS NORMAL, UH, FORCE.
WELL OPERATING IN ITS NORMAL FORCE, ALTHOUGH WE ONLY HAVE ONE THIRD OF THE PERSON WHO'S THE ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER FOR ETHICS, UM,
SO, UM, I, I JUST DON'T WANNA FORGET THE, THE OLYMPICS WILL BE OVER SOMEDAY AND THAT IS A FULL-TIME POSITION.
ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER, ETHICS IN THE BUDGET.
AND I JUST WANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT THAT REALLY NEEDS TO BE A FULL-TIME POSITION.
IT'S NOT GONNA BE A FULL-TIME POSITION IN 27, BUT THAT SHOULDN'T BE SEEN AS A PERMANENT SITUATION.
AND TYLER'S ALREADY GONE, BUT IT'S ON THE RECORD.
ANY, UM, OTHER COMMENT? IF NOT, I JUST WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU FOR YOUR REPORT.
UM, WE'RE VERY EXCITED THAT YOU'RE NOT GOING ANYWHERE.
UH,
I SAW IT AT LIKE 7:00 PM I WAS LIKE, WHAT'S GOING ON?
AND SO WE ARE VERY THANKFUL THAT, UM, WE HAVE YOU IN THIS ROLE.
I WAS READY TO, TO GO TO WAR IF, IF ANYTHING WAS HAPPENING.
SO
NINE, OH, I HAD SOME PEOPLE I WAS GONNA CALL US
UM, DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC I, UH, COMMENT ON THIS ITEM.
IF THERE ARE ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, PLEASE LINE UP AT THE PODIUM.
NOW, IF THERE ARE ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM IN THE ZOOM, PLEASE RA, USE THE RAISE HAND FEATURE OR DIAL STAR NINE NOW.
SEEING NONE, WE CAN MOVE TO A VOTE.
COMMISSIONER D BENEDICTIS? AYE.
AYE COMM, UH, VICE CHAIR EATON AYE.
ITEM NUMBER NINE, RECOMMENDATION TO
[9. 26-55827 Recommendation to discuss potential agenda items for future Commission meetings. Suggested Action: Approve recommendation. ]
DISCUSS POTENTIAL AGENDA ITEMS FOR FUTURE COMMISSION MEETINGS.DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMISSIONER COMMENT ON THIS? OH, WE NEED TO TAKE A MOTION.
IT'S BEEN MOVED BY COMMISSIONER P*****K.
IT'S BEEN SECONDED BY VICE CHAIR EATON.
UM, DO WE HAVE ANY COMMISSIONER COMMENT ON THIS ITEM? SCENE NONE.
DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC ON THIS ITEM? IF THERE ARE ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, PLEASE LINE UP AT THE PODIUM.
NOW, IF THERE ARE ANY MEMBERS IN THE ZOOM THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, PLEASE USE THE RAISE HAND FEATURE OR DIAL STAR NINE.
IF THERE ARE ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT,
[PUBLIC COMMENT Opportunity to address the Ethics Commission on non-agenda items. Each speaker is limited to three minutes to make their comments unless extended by the Chair.]
PLEASE APPROACH THE PODIUM NOW.COMMISSIONERS, UH, FOR YOU, THOSE OF YOU DON'T KNOW, MY NAME IS ERIC MAITLAND, LBTV.
UH, SIX MONTHS AGO AT THE FEBRUARY MEETING, I GAVE YOU ALL PACKETS ON, UH, BASICALLY WHAT I THINK IS A CLEAR EXAMPLE OF FORGERY AND FRAUD DONE BY MY DEPARTMENT.
AND WHAT I WANTED TO DO TODAY IS GIVE YOU A SIX MONTH UPDATE.
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SO IN THE SIX MONTHS, THE AUDITOR DID CALL ME ONCE.UH, I, I DID GET SOME FEEDBACK FROM THEM, BUT SINCE THEN I'VE HAD NO CONTACT IN THE PROCEEDING.
TWO MONTHS LATER, MY COWORKER MADE THE SIMILAR ALLEGATION TO ME.
SAME THING THAT HAPPENED TO ME, HAPPENED TO HIM SO FAR, NOTHING FROM THE CITY AUDITOR TO HIM.
SO IT'S INTERESTING THAT YOU GUYS ARE HAVING THAT CONVERSATION EARLIER ABOUT WHO'S INVESTIGATING WHAT, WHY HAVEN'T THEY CALLED HIM? UH, TO US.
IT SEEMS TO BE THEY DON'T WANNA TOUCH IT, BUT IF THAT'S NOT THE CASE, WE WOULD LOVE TO HAVE HIM BE CONTACTED.
I ALSO TALKED TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
THEY TOLD ME THAT THEY NEED TO WAIT TILL THEY GET SOME SORT OF FEEDBACK FROM THE AUDITOR.
SO IT'S KIND OF LIKE A FEEDBACK LOOP.
UM, WHAT WAS INTERESTING IS MY UNION REP REACHED OUT TO THE DEPARTMENT, UH, OR ACTUALLY REACHED OUT TO HR ABOUT MY ALLEGATION ABOUT THE TWO DOCUMENTS THAT WERE, UH, POLICY DOCUMENTS OR, UH, NOT POLICY DOCUMENTS, FINANCIAL DOCUMENTS BUMPING US UP.
AND THEY ASKED THEM, CAN WE SEE THE DOCUMENT? THEY WOULDN'T LET ME SEE IT.
SHE ASKED COULD SHE SEE IT? WOULDN'T LET HER SEE IT.
THEN HER NEXT QUESTION WAS, WELL, CAN YOU GUARANTEE US THAT THOSE WERE WET SIGNATURES? THEIR RESPONSE WAS, WE NEED TO TALK TO THE DEPARTMENT ABOUT SIGNING SIGNATURES WITHOUT KNOWLEDGE.
SO I WOULD HOPE THAT THE AUDITOR WILL TAKE IT SERIOUS.
I WOULD HOPE THAT THE AUDITOR WILL AT LEAST INVESTIGATE HOW MANY OTHER PEOPLE THIS HAPPENED TO IN MY DEPARTMENT.
'CAUSE I DO NOT THINK I WAS THE ONLY ONE.
UM, WE'RE REALLY FRUSTRATED THAT THERE'S NO ACCOUNTABILITY.
UM, I WOULD SUGGEST MAYBE BRINGING THEM BACK IN FOR AN ITEM AND SAYING, WHY IS THIS, WHY ARE YOU GUYS TAKING, UH, DOCUMENTS WITH NO WHITE SIGNATURES? THAT IS A STANDARD HR POLICY.
YOU CAN'T TAKE A DOCUMENT WITHOUT THAT.
UM, I'D ALSO, I WONDER IF YOU GUYS COULD BRING IN I, YOU KNOW, THE TI DEPARTMENT.
I ALSO FOUND OUT SUBSEQUENTLY THAT THE POLICY VIOLATION THAT HAPPENED TO ME ALSO HAPPENED TO HEALTH DEPARTMENT.
THEY IGNORED A, A AR SAYING THIS IS WHAT THE MONEY IS FOR TRAVEL.
THEY TOLD THEM THAT IT'S ONLY 50, THE SAME THING, 10 50, 25.
AND SO THEY GOT PUSHED BACK FOR THE SAME REASON.
AND SO IF YOU HAVE TWO DEPARTMENTS DOING THIS, HOW WIDESPREAD IS IT? AND THE THE BIGGEST THING TO ME IS WHY IS THERE NOT ANY KINDA TRAINING TO SECRETARIAL STAFF ON HANDLING THESE KIND OF DOCUMENTS? BECAUSE IF, IF YOU'RE BEING DIRECTED BY MANAGEMENT TO TAKE A DOCUMENT, MAKE A NEW DOCUMENT, AND AND THEN CUT AND COPY SOMEBODY'S SIGNATURE ON IT, THAT'S, I MEAN, THAT'S A CRIME.
WHY THEY SHOULD KNOW BETTER AND THE MANAGEMENT SHOULD KNOW BETTER TO TELL 'EM TO DO IT.
AND SO IT'S FORGE RAIN FRONT TO US AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE DON'T, CAN'T BRUSH ASIDE.
IF THERE ARE ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC IN THE ZOOM CHAT THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, PLEASE USE THE RAISE HAND FEATURE OR DIAL STAR NINE NOW.
IF YOU'RE CALLING IN, WE HAVE ONE CHIEF OR CHAIR.
HOPEFULLY MY MICROPHONE IS WORKING OKAY FOR YOU FOLKS.
MY NAME IS, UH, DAVID D KOWSKI.
LAST NAME IS KILO ALPHA ROMEO, NOVEMBER, OSCAR WHISKEY SIERRA KILO IN INDIA.
UM, THANK YOU TO THE COMMISSION AND FOR YOUR WORK.
UM, I WAS PLEASANTLY SURPRISED TO SEE THAT YOU GUYS DID AN ENTIRE PRESENTATION ON PRAS THIS AFTERNOON AS, UM, THAT'S KIND OF WHY I'M ACTUALLY ATTENDING.
I'M ALSO GRATEFUL FOR THE TECHNICAL STAFF FOR PROVIDING THE STREAMING SERVICES AS WELL.
UM, I AM AN INDEPENDENT AI RESEARCHER AND DEVELOPER AND I'VE HAD PROJECTS IN THE LAST, UM, ABOUT 10, 12 MONTHS THAT HAVE STRETCHED INTO CIVIC, UH, ENGAGEMENT CIVIC DATA AND INTO PRA REQUESTS SPECIFICALLY.
UM, SO I WANTED TO OFFER SOME EXPERIENCE THAT I'VE HAD AND OBVIOUSLY A LITTLE BIT OF A SHORT TIME HERE.
BUT, UM, I AM ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE THAT FILED A REQUEST TO THE CITY FOR RECORDS, UM, THAT WAS IN THE LONG CATEGORY THAT HAS NOT BEEN RESPONDED TO YET.
UM, THIS IS SPECIFICALLY, UM, C 0 2 7 4 51 DASH 26 25.
UH, SO IT'S BEEN ABOUT 290 DAYS.
UM, OCTOBER 26 IS WHEN I ORIGINALLY FILED IT.
UM, I DID FOLLOW UP WITH THE CITY THROUGH THE OFFICIAL PORTAL SEVERAL TIMES IN THE MONTH OF NOVEMBER, AND THEN AGAIN IN JUNE OF THIS MONTH.
UM, MY EXPERIENCE DOES NOT ALIGN WITH THE EXPERIENCE WHERE I'VE HAD ANY OTHER COMMUNICATION FROM THE CITY.
UM, UNTIL, UM, EARLY JULY WHEN I CAME INTO THE CITY HALL, I WAS ABLE TO TALK TO SOMEBODY FROM THE CITY, UH, MANAGEMENT OFFICE AS WELL AS ANOTHER REPRESENTATIVE I THINK FROM THE ETHICS OFFICE.
THEY'RE WORKING WITH HEATHER, ONE OF THE ASSISTANTS IN THERE.
AND THEY, UM, TOLD ME THE EMPLOYEE THAT THE PRA HAS BEEN PLACED UNDERNEATH, UM, ALEX GARCIA, I BELIEVE, UNDER THE INNOVATION AND TECHNOLOGY DEPARTMENT.
UM, SO I JUST HAVE SOME QUICK QUESTIONS AND I'M HOPING MAYBE
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THE COMMISSION CAN THINK ABOUT THESE QUESTIONS.UM, I'M CURIOUS ABOUT THE FUNDING MECHANISMS THAT ARE LIMITING LABOR THAT ARE ALLOWING THE PRA REQUESTS TO BE RESPONDED TO.
UM, IT SOUNDS LIKE CITY BUDGETS ARE OBVIOUSLY STRESSED.
UM, BUT I I TELL YOU, I AM GRATEFUL FOR THE PHILOSOPHY THAT I HEARD EARLIER IN THE PRESENTATION ABOUT THE FACT THAT PRA RESPONSIVENESS IS LEGAL COMPLIANCE, UH, SPECIFICALLY WITH STATE LAW.
UH, IT'S NOT JUST SOME KIND OF THING THAT THE CITY GETS TO DO OR NOT DO.
SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE, AS THE CITY IS IN THE MIDST OF PRIORITIZATION OF BUDGETARY WOES, UM, THAT THEY CONSIDER THIS LEGAL REQUIREMENT TO COMPLY AND PROVIDE DOCUMENTS AS REQUESTED IN A TIMELY LENGTH.
UM, SO I'M CURIOUS ABOUT WHO IS ULTIMATELY RESPONSIBLE FOR THE TIMELY DELIVERY OF PUBLIC RECORDS AT THE CITY OF LONG BEACH, AS WELL AS IS THE CITY ADEQUATELY FUNDING BOTH THE OFFICE OF ETHICS AND TRANSPARENCY ALONG WITH RESPONSIBLE LIAISONS AND DEPARTMENTS THAT ARE FULFILLING THE REQUESTS? UM, DO YOU AS COMMISSIONERS THINK THAT NINE MONTHS IS TOO LONG FOR A MUNICIPALITY TO RESPOND TO A PIO REQUEST? UM, I'M ALSO CON CONCERNED ABOUT PRIVACY FILTERING IN THE RECORDS THAT ARE COMING OUT OF THE CITY.
UM, SOME OF THE RECORDS THAT I REQUESTED ENDED UP BEING CONTRACTOR PHOTOS FROM THE GRAFFITI SERVICES FOR 3 1 1 SERVICE CALLS.
UM, THESE ARE THE GRAFFITI CLEANUP PHOTOS FROM THE CONTRACTOR.
UH, THEY INCLUDED IMAGES OF CHILDREN WITH THEIR MOTHERS AND STROLLERS, UM, HOMELESS PEOPLE, SLEEPING ON SIDEWALKS, UM, THE KIND OF THINGS THAT ARE DATA SENSITIVE.
I THINK THIS CONCLUDES YOUR TIME.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT.
UM, DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENTS? OKAY.
UM, ARE THERE ANY ANNOUNCEMENTS FROM COMMISSIONERS?
[ANNOUNCEMENTS]
SEEN NONE.UM, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY THANK YOU ALL FOR BEARING WITH ME ON MY, UH, FIRST MEETING, UM, THAT COULD NOT IMAGINE DOING THIS WITH A BETTER GROUP OF PEOPLE.
UM, SO THANK YOU ALL AND THANK YOU FOR CITY STAFF AS WELL.
UM, AND EVERYONE WHO MAKES THIS MEETING RUN AND RUN SO SMOOTHLY.
UM, WITH THAT, IF THERE'S, IF THERE IS NO OBJECTION, I DECLARE THE
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MEETING ADJOURNED.