* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:02] ALL RIGHT. MY WATCH SHOWS FOUR O'CLOCK, SO I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND CALL TO ORDER, [CALL TO ORDER] UM, THE AIRPORT ADVISORY COMMISSION MEETING HERE FOR SEPTEMBER 17TH. AND COULD WE FIRST DO THE ROLL CALL [ROLL CALL] CYNTHIA. AND THEN WE'LL HAVE THE INTRODUCTION. SO COULD I HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? COMMISSIONER ZARN? HERE. COMMISSIONER THOMAS. HERE. COMMISSIONER MOSQUERA. HERE. COMMISSIONER LARSON? HERE. COMMISSIONER BROWN. HERE. COMMISSIONER ARIA HERE. VICE CHAIR GALES HERE. CHAIR CHRISTOFFEL HERE. WE HAVE A QUORUM. THANK YOU. AND BEFORE WE GET STARTED, UH, THE AIRPORT DIRECTOR WOULD LIKE TO MAKE AN ANNOUNCEMENT REGARDING A LITTLE CHANGE IN STAFF TODAY. YES. YES. THANK YOU. UH, COMMISSIONER CHAIR. UM, I DO WANNA START OUT BY JUST SAYING A FEW REMARKS BECAUSE AS YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A DIFFERENT STAFF HERE FROM CITY CLERK OFFICE COMING TO ASSIST US. UM, SOME OF YOU KNOW THAT MR. KEN MASON, WHO WAS UM, JUST SO INVOLVED AT THIS AIRPORT FOR MANY, MANY YEARS, HAS SINCE RETIRED. AND HE SERVED AS SECRETARY TO THE COMMISSION, AS WELL AS EXECUTIVE ASSISTANT TO THE AIRPORT DIRECTOR AND MANY OTHER ROLES WITHIN THE CITY OF LONG BEACH. AND SO, UM, UH, WE HAVE WISHED HIM WELL AND, AND HONORED HIM IN HIS RETIREMENT. UH, AND MAGGIE AND MATTHEW HAVE SO GRACIOUSLY, UM, AGREED TO STEWARD OUR COMMISSION MEETINGS, UH, HOPEFULLY THROUGH THE REST OF THE YEAR. OKAY. I PUT THEM ON THE SPOT, , BUT . BUT, BUT THEY ARE, UM, HERE TODAY TO, TO FACILITATE, UM, KEN'S ROLES FROM BEFORE. AND SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT INTRODUCTION. AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE, AS, AS YOU MAY KNOW, VALERIA GARCIA FROM OUR TEAM WHO'S ALSO ASSISTING. UH, SHE'S OUT THERE AT THE TABLE TODAY, BUT SHE'S ALSO ASSISTING THE COMMISSION MOVING FORWARD. THAT'S IT. THANK YOU. SO, TO PUT SOME PERSPECTIVE, KEN HAD BEEN WITH THE CITY FOR, GOSH, 20 SOME ODD YEARS. 24, 24 YEARS. UM, WHEN YOU COME TO THE LONG BEACH AIRPORT, THE VOICE THAT YOU HEAR THAT SAYS, DO NOT PARK HERE, DO NOT STOP HERE. AND WELCOME TO THE CITY OF LONG BEACH. THAT'S KEN MASON. YOU GUYS . SO EVEN THOUGH HE IS NOT WITH US ANYMORE AS AN EMPLOYEE, HIS VOICE WILL STILL BE WITH US'. BE AIRPORT. HIS VOICE WILL STILL BE THERE. YES. GREAT MAN. SO, UM, JUST A REMINDER FOR EVERYBODY THAT'S HERE, IF YOU'RE PLANNING ON SPEAKING IN, ON, ON AN ITEM, IT'S REALLY HELPFUL IF YOU CAN FILL OUT ONE OF THE SPEAKER CARDS IF YOU HAVEN'T DONE IT YET. THERE ARE SOME AVAILABLE RIGHT HERE. IT'LL HELP ME LATER TO KIND OF BRING YOU UP. SOME OF YOU WHO WERE FOR THE LAST HEARING KNOWS IT WORKS KIND OF BETTER IF I CAN CALL YOU UP AND A LITTLE BIT AT A TIME. UM, SO WITH THAT, WE'D [1. 26-56056 Recommendation to approve the minutes from the meeting of the Airport Advisory Commission on July 16, 2026.       Suggested Action: Approve recommendation. ] LIKE TO MOVE ON TO THE, UH, REGULAR AGENDA. ITEM ONE, PLEASE. ITEM ONE IS RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM THE MEETING OF THE AIRPORT ADVISORY COMMISSION ON JULY 16TH, 2026. GO AHEAD. SO MOVED. I HAVE A MOTION. I'M LOOKING FOR A SECOND. SECOND, AND I HAVE A SECOND. SECOND. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION. AND SECOND. UM, IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THE MINUTES? IS THERE ANY COMMENT FROM THE PUBLIC? I WILL STATE FOR THOSE WHO ARE LOOKING AT THE MINUTES, WHO ATTENDED THE LAST MEETING, THEY ARE NOT VERBATIM. UH, THE CITY RECORDS THEM AND THE RECORDING IS AVAILABLE. WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO DO IS HIGHLIGHT THE INDIVIDUALS BY NAME, WHO ACTUALLY CAME UP AND SPOKE. SO I KNOW THE FIRST TIME YOU LOOK AT A SET OF MINUTES LIKE THAT, I GO, WELL, THERE'S A WHOLE LOT MISSING. 'CAUSE THAT WAS A LONG DISCUSSION LAST TIME. THAT'S HOW THEY DO IT. SO IT IS AVAILABLE IF YOU NEED THE, THE FULL RECORDING. SO, UM, ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE MINUTES? SEEING NONE, COULD WE HAVE A ROLL CALL? VOTE ON THE MINUTES, PLEASE. COMMISSIONER ZARN? YES. COMMISSIONER THOMAS? YES. COMMISSIONER MOSQUERA? YES. COMMISSIONER LARSON? YES. COMMISSIONER BROWN? YES. COMMISSIONER ARIA? YES. VICE CHAIR GALES? YES. CHAIR CHRISTOFF? YES. MOTION IS CARRIED. THANK YOU. CAN YOU READ INTO THE [2. 26-56057 Recommendation to receive and file presentation regarding the LGB Business Partner Spotlight, featuring Andy Fuentes, CEO, of SoCal Jet Services.       Suggested Action: Approve recommendation. ] RECORD ITEM NUMBER TWO, PLEASE? ITEM NUMBER TWO, RECOMMENDATION TO RECEIVE AND FILE PRESENTATION REGARDING THE LGB BUSINESS PARTNER SPOTLIGHT FEATURING ANDY FUENTES, CEO OF SOCAL JET SERVICES. GO AHEAD. MAY I HAVE A MOTION? AND I I NEED A MOTION. I'M SORRY. SO NEED A MOTION? SO MOVED. SECOND. THANK YOU. OKAY, NOW WE CAN GO FORWARD WITH IT. SORRY. GOOD EVENING. THIS MONTH'S BUSINESS PARTNER SPOTLIGHT IS THE CEO OF SOCAL JET SERVICES, MR. ANDY FUENTES. ASIDE FROM PROVIDING STELLAR MAINTENANCE AND FABRICATION SOLUTIONS FOR THE AVIATION INDUSTRY, UH, SOCAL JET SERVICES HAS BEEN A FANTASTIC PARTNER WITH THE LONG BEACH AIRPORT, AS WE DO OUR BEST TO INSPIRE YOUTH TO LEARN MORE ABOUT AVIATION AND AEROSPACE. [00:05:01] SO WITHOUT FURTHER ADO, I INTRODUCE TO YOU, MR. FUENTES. THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON, ANDY FUENTES. I WANT TO THANK YOU, UH, UH, CHAIR, VICE CHAIR, AND MEMBERS OF THE, UH, THE COMMISSION AND AIRPORT STAFF FOR HAVING ME HERE TODAY. I APPRECIATE THE INTRODUCTION AND THE OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE A BIT ABOUT OUR JOURNEY. LONG BEACH AIRPORT ISN'T JUST WHERE I WORK, IT'S WHERE I'VE SPENT MY ENTIRE 30 YEAR AVIATION CAREER. I'M PROUD TO SAY THAT MOST, ALMOST 20 OF THOSE YEARS HAVE BEEN RIGHT HERE IN LONG BEACH AS THE FOUNDER AND CEO OF SOCAL JET SERVICES BEYOND AIRCRAFT MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONAL SUPPORT OF OUR TEAM IS DEEPLY COMMITTED TO INVESTING BACK INTO THE LONG BEACH COMMUNITY. WE REGULARLY PARTNER WITH THE L-B-U-S-D AND LOCAL YOUTH PROGRAMS, INCLUDING LGB CAREER, TAKING FLIGHT EXTERNSHIP TO OPEN OUR HANGAR DOORS TO STUDENTS. WE WANT LOCAL KIDS TO SEE THAT THERE ARE HIGH PAYING REWARD, REWARDING CAREERS AND AVIATION RIGHT IN THEIR OWN BACKYARD. WE ALSO WORK CLOSELY WITH NON-PROFIT ACROSS THE LONG BEACH, LIKE THE LOCAL HEARTS FOUNDATION TO ENSURE OUR GROWTH HERE TRANSLATES INTO TANGIBLE SUPPORT FOR LOCAL FAMILIES. AS LONGTIME TENANT, WE KNOW THAT OPERATING A SUCCESSFUL AIRPORT BUSINESS MEANS BALANCING OPERATIONAL NEEDS WITH OUR COMMUNITY, UH, HARMONY, WE VALUE BEING GOOD NEIGHBORS AND STRONG STAKEHOLDERS MOVING FORWARD. SOCAL JET SERVICES WOULD LOVE TO EXPLORE WAYS WHY WAYS WE CAN GET MORE INVOLVED WITH THE AIRPORT ADVISORY COMMISSION, WHETHER THAT'S PARTICIPATING IN DISCUSSION AROUND FACILITY NEEDS, LEASE POLICIES, OR OPERATIONAL STANDARDS TO HELP KEEP LONG BEACH THRIVE FOR EVERYONE LOOKING AHEAD, APRIL, 2027 MARKS A MAJOR MILESTONE FOR SOCAL JET SERVICES 20TH ANNIVERSARY AT LONG BEACH AIRPORT. WE ARE THROWING A CELEBRATION EVENT AND WOULD LOVE TO EXTEND A, A PERSONAL INVITATION TO ALL OF YOU TO JOIN US. WE ARE HONORED THAT MAYOR MAX RICHARDSON AND COUNCILWOMAN MEGAN KERR HAVE ALREADY CONFIRMED THEIR ATTENDANCE. WE ARE HONORED THAT, I'M SORRY. WE ARE PARTNERING DIRECTLY WITH LOCAL HEARTS FOUNDATION FOR THE EVENT. WE'LL BE HOSTING A SILENT AUCTION AND RAFFLES A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE PROCEEDS. WE'LL GO DIRECTLY TO LOCAL HEARTS FOUNDATION TO SUPPORT THEIR WORK IN THE COMMUNITY. THANK YOU AGAIN FOR THIS BUSINESS PARTNER SPOTLIGHT FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP ON THE COMMISSION, AND FOR YOUR CONTINUED SUPPORT OF LOCAL BUSINESSES LIKE OURS. I LOOK FORWARD TO CONTINUING, UH, TO PARTNER WITH ALL OF YOU TO KEEP LONG BEACH AIRPORT, THE GYM OF OUR CITY. GUYS, I WANNA SAY THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I LONG BEACH, STRAIGHT OUTTA HIGH SCHOOL. UH, I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY, UH, TO RECEIVE A SCHOLARSHIP TO GO TO A MP SCHOOL TO BE A MECHANIC. AND I'VE BEEN HERE, I'VE BEEN FACTORY TRAINED. I WAS WITH THE CITATION SERVICE CENTER FOR 10 YEARS AND NOW 20 YEARS ON MY OWN. I LOVE LONG BEACH. MM-HMM . THANK YOU GUYS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, ANNIE. IT'S GREAT HAVING YOU PART OF THE AIRPORT FAMILY. UH, ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FROM MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS? SEEING NONE, ANY COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC? SEEING NONE, COULD WE HAVE THE ROLL CALL VOTE ON THIS ITEM, PLEASE? YES. COMMISSIONER ZARN? YES. COMMISSIONER THOMAS? YES. COMMISSIONER MOSQUERA? YES. COMMISSIONER LARSON? YES. COMMISSIONER BROWN? YES. COMMISSIONER ARIA? YES. VICE CHAIR GALES? YES. CHAIR CHRISTOFFEL? YES. MOTION IS CARRIED. CAN YOU GO AHEAD AND READ INTO THE RECORD ITEM [3. 26-56058 Recommendation to receive and file presentation responding to questions from the July 16, 2026 meeting of the Airport Advisory Commission regarding Long Beach Airport landing fees.       Suggested Action: Approve recommendation. ] NUMBER THREE, PLEASE? ITEM NUMBER THREE, RECOMMENDATION TO RECEIVE AND FILE PRESENTATION. RESPONDING TO QUESTIONS FROM THE JULY 16TH, 2026 MEETING OF THE AIRPORT ADVISORY COMMISSION REGARDING LONG BEACH AIRPORT LANDING FEES. AND BEFORE WE GET STARTED, DO YOU HAVE ANY CARDS TO GIVE ME? OKAY, I'M LOOKING FOR A MOTION TO APPROVE. SO MOVED. SECOND. WE HAVE A FIRST AND A SECOND DIRECTOR. THANK YOU. CHAIR CHRISTOFF AND COMMISSIONERS. UH, THIS ITEM, AS YOU KNOW, IS TO RECEIVE A FILE, RECEIVE AND FILE A PRESENTATION ON THE RESPONSE TO QUESTIONS FROM THE GA LANDING FEES PRESENTATION, UH, LAST MONTH OR JULY 16TH, UH, 2026. WE HAVE OUR FINANCIAL SERVICES OFFICER, MONNIE [00:10:01] CHE HERE BEHIND ME, AS WELL AS OUR NOISE. AND, UH, AIRPORT CAPACITY MANAGEMENT MANAGER, JUSTIN COOK. YOU HAVE THE FLOOR. UH, GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS. UH, THE DOCUMENT PROVIDED YOU TODAY TITLED GENERAL AVIATION LANDING FEES. RESPONSE TO QUESTIONS SERVES AS A FOLLOW UP TO THE PRESENTATION GIVEN IN OUR LAST A A C MEETING, THERE WERE ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS, INFORMATION REQUESTED, WHICH WE HAVE LISTED AND PROVIDED RESPONSES FOR. TO SUMMARIZE THE FEE STRUCTURE BETWEEN AIRPORTS CAN VARY GREATLY AS IT IS INFLUENCED BY THE COST BASIS ALLOCATION, METHODOLOGY, APPLICATION, AND COLLECTION OF THE FEE AMONG MANY OTHER VARIABLES AT AN AIRPORT. OUR EXISTING LANDING FEE IS ASSESSED TO SPECIFIC TYPES OF COMMERCIAL LANDINGS AT THE AIRPORT AND IS NOT ASSESSED TO TOUCH AND GO OPERATIONS. UH, OPERATING COSTS OF AN AIRPORT, INCLUDING CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS AND ENVIRONMENTAL MITIGATION EXPENSES THAT AN AIRPORT IS OBLIGATED TO PAY FOR COULD BE FACTORED INTO THE FEES THAT ARE ASSESSED TO USERS OF THE AIRPORT. THE ALLOCATION OF COSTS AND DEVELOPMENT OF FEES NEED TO BE FAIR AND REASONABLE AND COMPLY WITH ALL APPLICABLE FEDERAL REGULATIONS. THERE ARE SOME AIRPORTS THAT ASSESS LANDING FEES TO GA OPERATIONS, AND THERE ARE SOME AIRPORTS THAT DON'T. OF THOSE AIRPORTS THAT CHARGE GA OPERATIONS. THE FEES AND THE APPLICATION OF IT AND EXEMPTIONS THRESHOLDS THAT, UH, APPLY TO IT, UH, COULD VARY GREATLY. SOME AIRPORTS USE THIRD PARTY VENDORS TO ADMINISTER AND COLLECT THE FEES, AND THERE ARE SOME AIRPORTS THAT SELF-ADMINISTER. REGARDING FUEL FLOWAGE FEE. THE AIRPORT CURRENTLY CHARGES 12 CENTS PER GALLON AT THE AIRPORTS WE LOOKED AT. THAT IS LISTED IN THE DOCUMENT. UH, THE FEES RANGE FROM 5 CENTS TO OVER 20 CENTS. THE AIRPORT CHARGES GA OPERATORS FUEL FLOWAGE FEES IN LIEU OF LANDING FEES. REVENUES FROM LANDING FEES COULD SUPPLANT ALL OR A PORTION OF THE FUEL FLOWAGE FEE REVENUES. REGARDING THE PRESENTATION GIVEN AT THE LAST A A C MEETING IN JULY, 2026, THE DATA THAT WENT INTO THE PRESENTATION STEMS SOME, A VARIETY OF SOURCES FROM THE CITY'S FINANCIAL SYSTEM TO ONLINE ARTICLES AND GOVERNMENT WEBSITES. THE INFORMATION WAS PREPARED BY AIRPORT STAFF, CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, AND RACA CONDUCTING A VALUE ANALYSIS FOR IMPLEMENTING GA LANDING FEES WOULD BE A COMPLICATED STUDY THAT COULD TAKE OVER SIX MONTHS TO PRODUCE A PROFESSIONAL CONSULTING FIRM WOULD NEED TO BE HIRED TO HELP CONDUCT THE STUDY. REGARDING FCA, THEY ARE A CONSULTING FIRM DEDICATED TO THE AIRPORT SECTOR AND HAVE SUPPORTED THE AIRPORT SINCE 2007. FCA PERFORMS WORK FOR MANY AIRPORTS ACROSS THE COUNTRY AND OCCASIONALLY PERFORMS WORK FOR NON-AIR AIRPORT ENTITIES SUCH AS AIRLINES, FBOS, AND OTHER GOVERNMENT AGENCIES. FCA DOES NOT HAVE ANY PRIVATE SECTOR CLIENTS OUTSIDE OF AVIATION. AND I'LL NOW PASS IT OVER TO JUSTIN COOK TO SPEAK ON SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION IN THE DOCUMENT. ALL RIGHT, THANKS MONI. UM, JUST WANTED TO KIND OF SUMMARIZE SOME OF THE ADDITIONAL NOTES PORTION OF OUR DOCUMENT RESPONSE. UM, AS WE MENTIONED IN THE LAST PRESENTATION, LANDING FEES CANNOT BE IMPLEMENTED FOR THE PURPOSES OF REDUCING NOISE. UM, IN THAT SECTION, WE, WE INCLUDED A NUMBER OF KEY FEDERAL, UH, LEVEL CONSIDERATIONS PERTAINING TO AIRCRAFT NOISE THAT I THINK, UH, WARRANT YOUR ATTENTION. UM, SOME OF THOSE INCLUDE FA, A REVIEW OF THEIR, THEIR NATIONAL NOISE POLICY, UH, WHICH IS STILL ONGOING. UM, THERE'S A LOT OF RESEARCH THAT ARE STILL, UM, BEING CONDUCTED IN, UM, AS WELL AS, UH, FORMATION OF AN AIRCRAFT NOISE ADVISORY COMMITTEE OR ANAC ON A NATIONAL LEVEL THAT WILL INCLUDE, UM, A NINE DIFFERENT STAKEHOLDERS. UH, MULTIPLE. TWO OF THOSE SEATS WILL BE COMMUNITY REPRESENTATIVES, AND THEIR JOB IS TO, UH, REVIEW ALL THE RESEARCH, REVIEW ALL THE DATA REGARDING THE NATIONAL NOISE POLICY, AND HELP THE FAA, UM, ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, UPDATE ITS POLICY. UM, THAT'S, THAT ANAC HAS BEEN, UM, I GUESS THE FORMATION IS BEING LOOKED AT. UH, THERE WAS A CALL FOR PEOPLE TO, UM, REGISTER TO BE PART OF THAT, UM, AND THAT HAS CONCLUDED, BUT WE HAVEN'T FOUND OUT WHO'S ACTUALLY GONNA BE ON IT YET. UM, AS WELL AS THE FA A'S MODERNIZATION OF PART 1 41 PILOT SCHOOLS INITIATIVE, UM, WHICH I HIGHLIGHTED IN THAT DOCUMENT FOR YOU. AND THAT'S ALL. UH, CYNTHIA. THANK YOU. SO THIS CONCLUDES, UH, STAFF PRESENTATION ON HAS BEEN IN RESPONSE TO COUNCILWOMAN S REQUEST ON MAY 13TH, 2020 TO THE COMMISSION. UH, REALLY JUST TO PROVIDE AN OVERVIEW OF [00:15:01] HOW MANY FEES ARE ASSESSED AT LONG BEACH AIRPORT. AND THE CONSIDERATIONS INVOLVED IMPLEMENTING GENERAL AVIATION FEES. AND SO, AS YOU HEARD TODAY, AND ALSO IN THE PREVIOUS MEETING, STAFF HAS ADDRESSED, UH, QUESTIONS AND HAS REAFFIRMED THAT THE EXISTING FEE STRUCTURE, WHICH HAS BEEN IN PLACE FOR NEARLY TWO DECADES, UH, IS IN COMPLIANCE WITH FEDERAL REGULATIONS AND REMAINS APPROPRIATELY AND ACCEPTABLE WHILE ALTERNATIVE MODELS EXIST. AS YOU HEARD OF DIFFERENT AIRPORTS, IMPLEMENTING A NEW STRUCTURE WOULD REQUIRE SIGNIFICANT TIME, INTRODUCE ADDITIONAL COMPLEXITIES IN RISKS, AND CANNOT BE THE REASON NO, CANNOT BE THE REASON FOR FEE PER SAA REGULATION AND, AND THESE BASIS FOR SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT WE'VE HEARD, UH, IN THE LAST SEVERAL MONTHS. UH, BUT IT REALLY IS TRULY A CONCERN THAT WE'VE HEARD FROM THE COMMUNITY. BUT AGAIN, INCREASING CANNOT BE FOR CONTROLLING NOISE IN NUMBER OF OPERATIONS. SO FOR THESE REASONS, STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND REVISING THE CURRENT COST ALLOCATION MODEL AT THIS TIME. BUT SHOULD SUBSTANTIAL CHANGES IN AIRFIELD COSTS OCCUR IN THE FUTURE, AND RESTRUCTURING MAY BE CONSIDERED. AND SO I WANTED TO HAVE THOSE INPUT AS WELL. AND THIS CONCLUDES THAT PRESENTATION. OKAY. WITH THAT, I'LL BRING UP FIRST BACK TO MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS. IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU'D LIKE TO ASK OF STAFF RELATED TO THE MATERIAL THAT WAS PROVIDED OR PRESENTED TONIGHT, UH, WE'LL START WITH COMMISSIONER ZARN OVER THERE. YES, THANK YOU. AND THANK YOU FOR THE WORK ON THIS. UM, SO IN LIGHT OF THIS REPORT, I KIND OF GET A SENSE THAT THERE AREN'T GOING TO BE ANY LANDING FEES VERY SOON. AND, UH, THEREFORE ONE OF THE ALTERNATIVES, I THINK TO THE NOISE IS THE FLY FRIENDLY PROGRAM. AND I WANTED TO KNOW IF JUSTIN CAN TALK ABOUT THAT AND HOW YOU GO ABOUT EDUCATING THE FLIGHT SCHOOLS AND GETTING, UM, COMPLIANCE. I MEAN, I KNOW YOU CAN'T FORCE IT, BUT I KNOW IT'S AN ATTEMPT TO TRY TO REDUCE SOME OF THE NOISE, SO ABSOLUTELY. AND I WOULD ALSO LIKE JUSTIN TO ALSO RESPOND ON SOME OF THE THINGS THAT AIR TRAFFIC CONTROL OFFICE AND TOWER IS DOING AS WELL. SURE. UH, NO PROBLEM. UM, YOU KNOW, THE FLY FRIENDLY PROGRAM IS OBVIOUSLY A VOLUNTARY INITIATIVE, RIGHT? IT'S THINGS THAT, UM, OUR OFFICE IN WORKING WITH VARIOUS, UH, STAKEHOLDERS, TENANTS AT THE AIRPORT ARE TRYING TO ACHIEVE WITH, UM, THROUGH EDUCATION AND OUTREACH. IT'S A, UH, CONSTANT EFFORT, UH, BY OUR OFFICE TO, UH, REACH OUT AND ENGAGE THOSE INDIVIDUALS. AND THAT HAS TO DO WITH JUST THE, THE NATURE OF FLIGHT SCHOOLS AND, UH, TURNAROUND OF PILOTS AND, AND INSTRUCTORS, UH, THAT ARE KIND OF, KIND OF CONSTANTLY EVOLVING THROUGH THEIR, THEIR SCHOOLS. UM, SO IT'S A, IT IS AN EDUCATION PROCESS THAT WE TAKE SERIOUSLY. UM, WE HOLD A VARIETY OF QUARTER, WHAT WE HAVE QUARTERLY MEETINGS WITH THEM. UM, BUT THAT DOESN'T STOP US. WE, WE CALL THEM WHENEVER THERE'S ISSUES. WE DO WHEN, WHEN WE DO RECEIVE, UH, EMAILED CONCERNS, THERE ARE MANY CONCERNS THAT GO INTO SOME, SOME DETAIL OVER THOSE. IT WASN'T, IT, THEY AREN'T NECESSARILY, UM, RELATED TO ENFORCEMENT OF THE ORDINANCE. MORE OF THAT THEY ARE OF ANNOYANCE FACTOR. UM, WE WILL SHARE THOSE WITH THE FLIGHT SCHOOLS AND WE WILL GO OVER THEM WITH THEM. UM, THAT'S NOT TO SAY THAT THEY ARE SUDDENLY GOING TO CHANGE EVERYTHING THAT THEY DO. UM, IT IT'S AN EDUCATION PROCESS AND WE ARE, WE'RE TRYING OUR BEST TO, UM, HAVE THEM, UM, I GUESS, YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF BEING A GOOD NEIGHBOR, FLY FRIENDLY, UM, YOU KNOW, WHICH COULD BE A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT THINGS, RIGHT? IT COULD BE, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY THEIR, THEY'RE THEIR JUST, JUST THEIR NOISE LEVEL. IT'S, IT'S THE NUMBER OF OPERATIONS IS THE RIGHT, THE FREQUENCY WHERE THEY'RE FLYING, THE, THE, UM, THAT THEY'RE NOT AS DISPERSED PERHAPS OVER THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THESE ARE ALL THINGS THAT WE HEAR FROM THE COMMUNITY AND, AND THAT WE GO OVER WITH THEM. UM, AS PART OF THOSE MEETINGS. TOWER IS, UH, PARTICIPATING. UH, WE HAVE ALSO MEETINGS WITH TOWER, UH, SEPARATELY. UM, AND THEY'VE BEEN, UM, REALLY MORE WILLING TO, UM, LISTENED TO VARIOUS THINGS OF, YOU KNOW, POTENTIAL THINGS THAT [00:20:01] CAN BE DONE. UM, OBVIOUSLY THEY'RE OPERATING A VERY COMPLEX, UH, AIRSPACE. UM, THERE'S, UH, A LOT OF OPERATIONS, RIGHT? THERE'S A LOT OF OPERATIONS IN THE PATTERN AS WELL AS OUR COMMERCIAL OPERATIONS. SO, UH, IT IS COMPLEX AND THEY HAVE THEIR REGULATIONS AND THINGS THAT THEY HAVE TO DO. UM, BUT THAT'S NOT TO SAY THAT THEY, UM, CAN'T BE, UM, YOU KNOW, HAVE THE CERTAIN OF CERTAIN MINDSET, UM, WHEN THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, ISSUING DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS OR IF THEY HAVE THE OPTION TO DO VARIOUS THINGS, CAN THEY GET, CAN THEY DO THAT? YOU KNOW, AND I'M NOT GONNA GO INTO ALL THE VARIETY OF, OF POSSIBLE THINGS, BUT, YOU KNOW, MAKING THEM AWARE OF THE COMMUNITY CONCERNS IS ALSO SOMETHING VERY IMPORTANT TO US. BECAUSE TOWER IS, IS TOWERS ARE UNIQUE IN THAT THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, A LOT OF FOLKS THINK THEY'RE, THEY ARE PART OF THE AIRPORT. THEY, THEY ARE, THEY'RE ON THE AIRPORT, BUT IT'S THE F THEY'RE RUN BY THE FAA AND SO THEY DON'T ALWAYS GET THAT FEEDBACK, COMMUNITY FEEDBACK OF WHAT'S GOING ON. SO OUR GOAL IS TO TRY TO BRIDGE THAT GAP AND, AND MAKE THEM UNDERSTAND. UM, THAT'S NOT TO SAY THAT THEY'RE GOING TO SOLVE ALL THE PROBLEMS EITHER, BUT IT, IT'S TO INFORM THEM. COMMISSIONER THOMAS? OH, YES. THANK YOU. UH, LAST MEETING WAS A WEE BIT OF AN EYEOPENER, I WILL SAY. AND IT WAS A GOOD ONE. UM, AS A, A NEWER MEMBER, IT DID CAUSE ME TO GO AND DO SOME DIGGING AND, AND LOOKING. I CAN SAY THAT EVERY MONTH THAT WE MEET, UM, THE NOISE DEPARTMENT, UH, STEPPED UP. THEY PROVIDE A LOT OF DATA THERE. THE NOISE MONITORS ARE EVERYWHERE. WHAT I PERSONALLY HAVE SEEN IN GOING THROUGH THE NUMBERS IS THAT THE NUMBERS ARE REDUCING IN JUST ABOUT EVERY CATEGORY. I HAVEN'T SEEN WHERE THEY HAVE INCREASED, UM, UNLESS THERE ARE MORE FLIGHT SCHOOLS OPERATING THAN DID BEFORE. SO I WAS STRUGGLING WITH WHERE, WHERE THAT INCREASE IS COMING FROM. GRANTED, THERE'S SMALL INCREMENTAL DECREASES THAT MAY NOT BE SATISFACTORY TO THOSE FOLKS LIVING RIGHT UNDER. SO I THINK IT'S SOMETHING WE STILL HAVE TO WORK ON. AND I'M, I'M GLAD TO HEAR THAT WE'RE WORKING WITH THE MULTIPLE AGENCIES, BRINGING THEM TOGETHER ON THE NOISE ISSUE. I DO KNOW COMING FROM AN EMPLOYEE OF JOHN WAYNE AIRPORT, THAT THEY HAVE HAD ALMOST IDENTICAL COMPLAINTS AND CONCERNS. UM, AND IT'S ALWAYS A PUSH PULL WITH THE GOVERNMENT AGENCIES, ESPECIALLY FAA THAT MANAGES THE SKIES AND THE AIRPORT THAT DOES ITS JOB TO BE THE BEST LANDING FACILITY, UH, FOR AND SAFEST. SO IT, IT'S A TOUGH ISSUE. UM, ONE THAT I KNOW AS A COMMISSIONER, I'M GONNA CONTINUE TO, TO REVIEW AND LOOK AT THE NUMBERS. UM, AND IF THERE'S ANY WAY, BUT I DID HAPPEN TO READ THAT THERE IS THIS ISSUE OF ENFORCING THINGS THAT ARE REQUIRED IN THE NOISE AGREEMENT. I READ THROUGH THE NOISE AGREEMENT, AND THERE'S A TERM CALLED TAXI BACK, AND THERE WAS THE CLAIM MADE THAT, THAT FLIGHT SCHOOLS ARE USING TOUCH AND GO, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, ALLOWED AT CERTAIN HOURS. AND THEN AFTER THAT TIME, GOING WITH A TAXI BACK. DO WE MONITOR THAT? IS THERE ANY WAY THAT, THAT THE AIRPORT HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT THAT? OR IS THAT REALLY MORE OF A TOWER, UM, OPERATION? SO THAT WOULD BE MY QUESTION, JUSTIN . SURE. UM, THAT, THAT'S OUR OFFICE, OF COURSE. YES. UM, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE DO, UH, DAILY. AS FOLKS IN THE COMMUNITY HAVE HEARD ME SAY IN VARIOUS EMAILS AND THINGS. UM, WE GO THROUGH THOSE OPERATIONS, UH, ONE BY ONE. UM, THE NOISE MONITORING LIMITS, UM, IS, IS MORE OF A STRAIGHTFORWARD PROCESS, RIGHT? IT'S JUST WHETHER YOU EXCEEDED IT OR NOT. AND WE ISSUE A VIOLATION. THE OPERATION'S A LITTLE BIT MORE COMPLEX BECAUSE, UM, IT, IT'S NOT JUST WHERE THEY, THEY ARE FLYING IN TERMS OF DID THEY, DID THEY DO A TOUCH AND GO? DID THEY, DID THEY LAND TAXI BACK AND TAKE OFF AGAIN? UM, THOSE, THOSE REQUIRE LOOKING AT THOSE IN A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL AS WELL AS SOMETIMES LISTENING TO, UH, AIR TRAFFIC COMMUNICATION, BECAUSE SOMETIMES THERE'S A REASON FOR WHAT THEY DID. UM, IT'S NOT TO [00:25:01] EXCUSE THEM, BUT IT, IT'S, IT'S HELPFUL TO KNOW SO THAT, UM, WE COULD HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS, RIGHT? IF, IF TOWER FOR EXAMPLE, UM, ALLOWS THEM TO DO A TOUCH AND GO DURING PROHIBITED HOURS, UM, ONE COULD SAY, WELL, THE TOWER TOLD ME TO DO THAT, THEREFORE IT SHOULD BE OKAY. UM, BUT IT'S STILL A VIOLATION. AND SO THEY STILL RECEIVE A, A VIOLATION. AND THEN IT'S MY JOB TO THEN HAVE A DISCUSSION WITH TOWER SAYING, WHY, WHY, WHY DID THAT HAPPEN? UM, AND THERE'S, THERE'S REASONS FOR THAT TOO. THERE, THERE'S NEW STAFF IN THE TOWER RIGHT NOW, UM, SO THAT IT'S A LEARNING PROCESS THERE AS WELL. UM, BUT IT'S OUR JOB TO REVIEW ALL OF THOSE OPERATIONS AS THEY OCCUR. UM, AND, AND THAT'S THROUGH LOOKING AT THE RADAR DATA THAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE. UM, AND, AND, YOU KNOW, GOING THROUGH AND WITH THE FINE COMB ON WHETHER THAT OCCURRED OR NOT. OKAY. THANK YOU. YEAH, YOU'RE WELCOME. COMMISSIONER ARIA? YES. SORRY. UM, I HAVE, I STILL HAVE MULTIPLE QUESTIONS. THANK YOU, FIRST OF ALL FOR THE, THE REPORT AND ANSWERING THE QUESTIONS. UM, BUT I STILL HAVE, I'M STILL HAVING TROUBLE WRAPPING MY HEAD AROUND ALL THE DETAIL, YOU KNOW, NOT BEING A AERONAUTICS AVIATION PROFESSIONAL. UM, SO IF I COULD JUST TAKE ONE SECTION AT A TIME ON THE FIRST QUESTION WHERE WE SAY THAT TOUCH AND GO OPERATIONS HAVE LESS PHYSICAL IMPACT ON AN AIRFIELD, UH, THAN TRADITIONAL FULL STOP, FULL STOP LANDINGS. WHAT ABOUT THE NON-PHYSICAL RESOURCES THAT ARE IMPACTED BY TOUCH AND GO, WHAT, WHAT MIGHT THOSE BE? PEOPLE TIME TOWER. SURE. YEAH. YOU WANT TO, YEAH, I MEAN, DEFINITELY I THINK FROM THIS CONTEXT, WE WERE, AND MONIQUE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, WE WERE FOCUSED ON THE PHYSICAL ASPECT JUST BECAUSE WE'RE, IN TERMS OF LANDING FEES, YOU'RE TRYING TO RECOVER THE, THE, THE ACTUAL COST OF THE USE OF THE, THE AIRPORT ITSELF AND THE INFRASTRUCTURE, WHICH INCLUDES THE RUNWAY AND TAXIWAYS, ET CETERA. BUT YEAH. OKAY. AND THEN ON ON NUMBER TWO, QUESTION NUMBER TWO. UM, WHAT ABOUT FREQUENCY OF USE VERSUS WEIGHT? UM, AS AN ISSUE? BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE, ACCORDING TO OUR OWN DATA THAT GENERAL AVIATION IS ABOUT 87% OF AIRPORT FLIGHT OPERATIONS, BUT FUEL FLOWAGE FEES GENERATE ABOUT LESS THAN 1% OF OUR TOTAL REVENUE. IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THERE'S AN IMBALANCE THERE. SO, UH, THERE'S A NUMBER OF, UH, FACTORS THAT GO INTO DETERMINING, UM, THE COST OF THE AIRFIELD, UM, AND HOW IT'S ALLOCATED. UH, FOR EXAMPLE, THE, UH, MAJOR AIRLINES, THE LARGER AIR CARRIER AIRCRAFT HAVE A MUCH LARGER DEMAND ON THE AIRFIELD. AND SO THAT PLAYS A BIG FACTOR IN HOW COST IS ALLOCATED, BECAUSE THE ENTIRE AIRFIELD IS DESIGNED TO MEET THE STANDARDS OF COMMERCIAL AIRLINES. UM, IF THE AIRPORT WERE A SIMPLE GA AIRPORT WITHOUT COMMERCIAL SERVICES, THE COST OF THE AIR BILL, THE INFRASTRUCTURE, ALL THAT, UH, WOULD BE MUCH LOWER. AND SO THE COST, UH, CHARGE TO GA OPERATORS WOULD BE MUCH LOWER IN THOSE, UH, INSTANCES. AND SO, UH, AS THE AIRPORT IS, UH, A MIXED USE, UH, AIRPORT, WE HAVE TO FACTOR THAT IN, UH, CONSIDERATION IN ADDITION TO FREQUENCY AND, UM, IMPACT ON THE PAVEMENT. AND SO ALL THAT IS FACTORED IN, UH, THAT IS WHY THE, UH, CURRENT COST, UH, RECOVERY BETWEEN THOSE TWO, UM, IS APPLIED THAT WAY. SO WE DO, AND COMMISSIONER, LET ME JUST ALSO ADD TO THAT, THE OTHER CHARGES THAT WE RECEIVE ON GENERAL AVIATION IS FROM OUR LAND RENTS AS WELL. SO THERE IS A FUEL FLOWAGE FEE, AND THEN WE ALSO OBTAIN REVENUE FROM, UH, FOR THOSE AIRCRAFT THAT, THAT ARE STATIONED AT THE AIRPORT AND DWELL AT THE AIRPORT. WE DO COLLECT A FEE. IT'S THROUGH A MASTER TENANT AGREEMENT, BUT, BUT THAT TRICKLES ON UP TO THE AIRPORT AS WELL, AND THAT'S MORE THAN 1%. OKAY. AND THAT KIND OF LEADS ME TO THE NEXT QUESTION, AND I FORGET WHICH NUMBER IT WAS IT WAS ON, BUT AIRPORT, THE, THE NOISE ISSUE ASIDE, I'M, I'M STILL BOTHERED BY THE FAIRNESS ISSUE AND THE REASONABLE ISSUE WITH OUR FEE STRUCTURE. UM, IF THE, IF, IF, SEE, [00:30:01] HOW CAN I PUT THIS? DO WE KNOW WHICH OR THE NUMBER OF GENERAL AVIATION FLIGHTS THAT DO NOT FUEL UP, DO NOT USE OUR, OUR FUEL? DO WE KNOW, YOU KNOW, HOW MANY COME FROM TORRANCE? HOW MANY COME FROM, UH, FULLERTON, FULLERTON ALREADY FUELED UP TOUCH AND GO TOUCH AND GO TOUCH AND GO LEAVE US, AND NEVER, WE NEVER HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO, TO GAIN ANY KIND OF REVENUE FROM THEM? DO WE HAVE LIKE A PERCENTAGE? IS IT, IS IT JUST A TRICKLE? IS IT 50%? DO WE KNOW? UH, SO THE, THE, THE LONG BEACH AIRPORT DOES NOT SELL FUEL DIRECTLY. UH, THE FBOS AND FUEL FARMS RIGHT, ARE TYPICALLY THE ONES THAT SELL. AND SO THEY'RE, UH, CLIENTS ARE TYPICALLY PRIVATE INFORMATION PRI, UH, YOU KNOW, CONFIDENTIAL TO THOSE ENTITIES. AND SO WE DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO WHO EXACTLY IS FUELING HERE. UM, AND, UM, JUSTIN, ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD? NO, YEAH, I HAVE NOTHING TO REALLY ADD. YEAH. AND COMMISSIONER, THERE ARE TIMES WHERE WE MIGHT HAVE AN AIRCRAFT FROM A DIFFERENT LOCATION IN THE REGION, WE'LL COME INTO OUR AIRSPACE OR FA A'S AIRSPACE FLY INTO OUR PATTERN, NEVER LAND AND, AND MOVE ON TO, TO SOMEWHERE ELSE. SO THERE'S SO MANY DIFFERENT VARYING CONDITIONS ON INDIVIDUAL AIRCRAFT, BUT, BUT THAT CAN HAPPEN AS WELL. YEAH. BUT I'M JUST, I'M JUST REFERRING TO THE GENERAL AVIATION TOUCH AND GO FLIGHTS. UM, SO WE DON'T, WE, WE DON'T TRACK THAT, OR WE DON'T HAVE A WAY OF TRACKING IT. UH, YEAH, WE DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO THAT DATA, AND WE DON'T TRACK THAT IN TERMS OF THE FUEL BEING SOLD TO, IN TERMS OF THE FUEL. WE DO TRACK THE OPERATIONS THAT ARE HERE AT THE AIRPORT. THAT'S, SO I WANNA MAKE SURE IT'S CLEAR. THAT'S CORRECT. SO IN TERMS OF THE OPERATIONS, WE KNOW, UM, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY WHICH ONES ARE BASED HERE AND WHICH ONES ARE COMING FROM, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE ORIGIN AND DESTINATION FOR ALL THOSE, THOSE OPERATIONS. SO YES, WE, WE, BUT WE CAN'T TRACK LIKE WEB, LIKE THE FUEL PART OF IT, CORRECT? CORRECT. BUT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO TRACK THE OPERATIONAL ASPECT OF IT. OKAY. BUT WE COULD GET A PERCENTAGE THEN IF WE CAN TRACK THEM, WE COULD GET A PERCENTAGE YES. COULD FIGURE THAT OUT. WE, WE COULD. YES, WE COULD. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. UM, I THINK I HAVE MORE QUESTIONS, BUT I'LL, I'LL GO AHEAD AND I CAN COME BACK TO YOU DIFFER. OKAY, THANKS. SO LOOKING TO MY LEFT, UH, SEE IF WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. COMMISSIONER LARSON? I DO. THANK YOU. UM, ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, IF THE AIRPORT DID A VALUE ANALYSIS, UM, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT. SO I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE NEXT STEP IS OR HOW WE ADVANCE THAT. DO YOU WANT WANT ME TO ANSWER THAT? MAYBE ELABORATE ON IT A LITTLE BIT? YEAH. UM, YEAH, SO, UH, IF, UH, THE AIRPORT WERE BE TO BE DIRECTED TO CONDUCT A VALUE ANALYSIS, UH, THE INITIAL STEP WOULD TO BE DEVELOP THE SCOPE, UH, BECAUSE WE WOULD HAVE TO GO OUT, UH, FOR A PROCUREMENT, UH, TO BRING ON PROFESSIONAL SERVICES TO HELP US CONDUCT THAT VALUE ANALYSIS. AND, UH, AS IT MENTIONS IN THE DOCUMENT, THERE'S SEVERAL STEPS THAT WOULD ENCOMPASS, AND THEN, UM, IT COULD TAKE UP TO SIX TO 12 MONTHS TO CONDUCT A, UH, THOROUGH VALUE ANALYSIS AND BRING BACK, UM, THE REPORT. AND THE PURPOSE OF THE STUDY WOULD BE TO UNDERSTAND, UH, WHAT THE BENEFITS WOULD BE OF IMPLEMENTING A FEE. IS THAT WHAT YOU MEAN BY VALUE ANALYSIS? YEAH. SO, UH, DEPENDING ON WHAT THE, UH, SCOPE ENTAILS, UM, UH, IT COULD BE, UH, TO GEN TO REVIEW THE POTENTIAL VALUE THAT IS GENERATED. IF THE, UM, GA LANDING FEES WERE TO BE IMPLEMENTED AT LONG BEACH AIRPORT, DO IT. THANK YOU. AND HOW DO WE MOVE THAT FORWARD? SO, STAFF, GO AHEAD. SO STAFF IS, IS, DOESN'T RECOMMEND MOVING FORWARD AT THIS TIME AS FAR AS WE'VE HAD OUR FRESCO, OUR CONSULTANTS, AND ALSO, UM, OUR, OUR OWN TEAM AND OTHERS REVIEW WHERE WE ARE TODAY TO PROVIDE THE ANALYSIS TO THE COMMISSION. IF WE WERE TO MOVE FORWARD, WE WOULD NEED TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS OF PREPARING AN RFQ OR P, MORE LIKELY A P, AND THEN GETTING THAT OUT ON THE STREET THROUGH THE CITY PURCHASING DEPARTMENT, THAT DOES TAKE SOME QUITE TIME TO DETERMINE WHAT THE SCOPE IS, WHAT YOU KNOW, SO ON AND FORTH, SO FORTH, TO DO THAT PROCESS. AND THEN WE WOULD GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS AND THEN GO BACK TO CITY COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL FOR THE CONTRACT. THAT'S THE TYPICAL, TYPICAL PROCESS, [00:35:03] IF THAT WAS THE DIRECTION THAT THE CITY WANTED US TO, TO MOVE FORWARD IN. AND WHEN YOU SAY THE CITY, I KNOW YOU SAID STAFF IS NOT RECOMMENDING IT, NORRIS CORRECT? AT THIS POINT, OF COURSE NOT. CORRECT. BUT WHO HAD, WHO AT THE CITY WOULD DIRECT THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT WOULD BE HAVING CONVERSATIONS WITH OUR CITY MANAGER, OUR CITY COUNCIL ON WHETHER OR NOT, UH, THEY RECOMMEND US TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE ENTIRE VALUE ANALYSIS AND STUDY ON IMPLEMENTING GA LANDING FEES. OKAY. I FEEL LIKE WE'RE GOING IN A CIRCLE. YOU TOTALLY ARE. YOU ARE GOING IN A CIRCLE MARK AS, AS A, I DON'T KNOW IF, AS A COMMISSIONER, AS A RESIDENT, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT STUDY, BUT I KNOW, I UNDERSTAND COMPLETELY THAT IT'S COMPLEX, IT'S TIME CONSUMING. I GET THAT. SO, FINE. DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONER? COMMISSIONER, MASCARA? YEAH. A COUPLE QUESTIONS ON FRASCA AND ASSOCIATES. UM, THEY'VE BEEN WITH THE CITY CLOSE TO 20 YEARS, AND IT SEEMS LIKE EVERY TIME WE HAVE THESE ISSUES COME UP, WE GO TO THE ONE CONSULTANT AND WE GET THE SAME ANSWER BACK. ARE THERE OTHER CONSULTANTS OUT THERE THAT WE CAN PING AND GET, YOU KNOW, A, A DIFFERENT ANSWER OR A, A MORE NUANCED ANSWER? I WASN'T PLEASED WHEN HE SPOKE LAST WEEK. YEP. PROBABLY PICK THAT UP BECAUSE IT WAS JUST A LOT OF CIRCULAR TALK. UM, SO I'D LIKE, UM, MORE CONSULTING PEOPLE TO LOOK AT IT RATHER THAN THE ONE FOR 20 YEARS WHO HAS A CONTRACT COMING UP NEXT YEAR. YEP, YEP. YEP. LET'S, LET'S WAIT UNTIL WE GET, GIVE YOU A TIME TO COMMENT. GIVE THE COMMISSIONER A CHANCE HERE, YOU GUYS. THANK YOU. YEAH, NO, I JUST THINK IT'S PRUDENT FOR US TO DO THAT. WE'VE BEEN ASKING THE SAME QUESTION FOR 20 YEARS. YOU ASK THE SAME PERSON, THE SAME THING COMES BACK TWO WEEKS LATER WITH THE SAME ANSWER HE GAVE YOU THREE YEARS AGO. SO THERE'S, THERE'S, THERE'S NO MEAT. AND SO I'D LIKE TO SEE MORE MEAT INTO A EFFORT, INTO A DIFFERENT CONSULTANT, UM, DIFFERENT EYES ON IT. SO I THINK WE JUST OWE THAT TO THE COMMUNITY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM YOU? COMMISSIONER? ARE YOU DONE? OKAY. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE, BECAUSE I GOTTA GO BACK TO COMMISSIONER. YOU HAD ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS, EVERYBODY? YEAH. OKAY. I, UM, I STILL THINK WE NEED AN OPPORTUNITY TO DISCUSS, TO LEARN MORE ABOUT THE ISSUES. I STILL, AS I SAID, I AM NOT A PROFESSIONAL. I NEED TO GET MY HEAD WRAPPED AROUND THE ISSUES, AND WE AS A, AS AN ADVISORY COMMISSION CAN MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL. THAT'S PART OF OUR SCOPE, PART OF OUR, OUR ROLE. I, WE WOULDN'T DO THAT WITHOUT GOING THROUGH THE, THROUGH STAFF. UM, BUT I'M NOT SURE WE'RE READY TO DO THAT UNTIL WE LEARN A LITTLE BIT MORE. SO MY FEELING IS THAT WE NEED AN AD HOC COMMITTEE THAT CAN DISCUSS THIS ISSUE IN A LESS FORMAL, UM, ENVIRONMENT WHERE WE CAN HAVE MORE BACK AND FORTH, UH, DISCUSSION, MORE LEARNING, UH, IN ORDER TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION. BUT IT IS OUR ROLE TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE STAFF AND TO THE CITY COUNCIL MM-HMM . SO WE COULD DO THAT, BUT I'M NOT SURE WE'RE READY TO DO THAT WITHOUT FURTHER INFORMATION. SO MY SUGGESTION IS THAT WE SET UP AN AD HOC COMMITTEE TO MEET, TO WORK WITH STAFF, AND THEN MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE COMMISSION, WHICH WOULD THEN MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL OR THROUGH STAFF. UM, ANYWAY, BUT WE CAN'T DO THAT UNLESS WE HAVE AN ACTION ITEM ON THE AGENDA. WE CANNOT FORM AN AD HOC COMMITTEE WITHOUT IT BEING IZED. AND SO I THINK IN OUR LAST MEETING, I ASKED FOR AN ACTION ITEM SO THAT WE COULD DISCUSS HAVING AN AD HOC, UH, COMMITTEE. OR MAYBE I DIDN'T QUITE SAY IT THAT WAY, BUT THAT'S WHAT I WAS HOPING WE COULD DO. COMMITTEE. MM-HMM . YEAH. LIKE WE HAVE THE SUSTAINABILITY, RIGHT? RIGHT. BUT IT WOULD BE JUST A SHORT TERM, SO IT'S NOT A, AN ONGOING COMMITTEE. IT WOULD BE AN AD HOC COMMITTEE. BUT ANYWAY, THAT WOULD BE MY SUGGESTION. OKAY. ANY OTHER, WOULD YOU GO AHEAD, COMMISSIONER. GO. UH, FIRST I'D LIKE TO THANK THE, UH, AIRPORT STAFF OR YOUR DILIGENCE IN COMING UP WITH THE REPORT LAST, UH, DURING LAST MEETING. AND THE QUESTIONS HERE, UM, I DO WANNA MAKE A COMMENT THAT EVEN IF WE DO DO THE VALUE ANALYSIS, THAT THOSE FEES STILL CAN'T BE USED FOR NOISE REDUCTION AS, AS THEY IMPLEMENT IMPLEMENTED, OR AS AS WE'VE BEEN TOLD. AND, UM, SO I THINK THAT WE NEED TO BE SURE OF THE PURPOSE OF DOING THE VALUE ANALYSIS, UH, NOT [00:40:01] JUST FOR DOING IT. UH, IF WE'RE IMPLEMENTING GA LANDING FEES, IT'S FOR, FOR WHAT PURPOSE? UH, SOME MONEY. LET HIM FINISH, PLEASE. UH, IF, IF IT'S TO MAKE MONEY FOR THE AIRPORT, FANTASTIC. UM, BUT AT, AT WHAT COST? MM-HMM . UH, SO THAT'S WHAT I WOULD WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE KNOW THE PURPOSE OF WHY WE'RE WE'RE DOING IT, BECAUSE NOISE REDUCTION CANNOT BE IT. UM, THAT'S IT. SO, UH, YEAH. THANK YOU CHAIR. OKAY. SEEING NO OTHER COMMENTS OR COMMISSIONER MAR, DID YOU HAVE ANOTHER COMMENT? YEAH, I, I HAVE A COMMENT. UM, YEAH, UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE ARE COMPLEXITIES WITH THE, THE REGULATIONS THAT WE HAVE WITH THE AIRPORT, NO NOISE AND THE GRAND ASSURANCES. UM, AND YOU KNOW, YOU'RE RIGHT, WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T CHARGE A FEE THAT IS, UH, BASED ON NOISE. BUT AGAIN, IT GETS BACK TO MY COMMENT ON THE, THE CONSULTANTS. ARE THERE CREATIVE WAYS, ARE THERE WAYS TO DO THIS WHERE WE ARE NOT IN JEOPARDY OF THE GRANT INSURANCES OR THE AIRPORT NOISE ORDINANCE MM-HMM . AND HOW CAN WE DO THAT IN A WAY? UM, AND I DON'T WANNA SAY WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA BE CHEATING, BUT WE'RE NOT. WE, WE NEED TO MAKE A, MAKE AN EFFORT TO, TO REDUCE THE NOISE SOMEHOW WITHIN THE CONSTRAINTS WE HAVE WITHIN THE GRAND ASSURANCES AND THE AIRPORT NOISE ORDINANCE. OKAY. COMMISSIONER. AND WE OWE THAT TO THE COMMUNITY. YEP. YES. COMMISSIONERS ARE, YES. AND I TOO WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF HAVING A SUBCOMMITTEE. I THOUGHT THAT MIGHT BE A WAY THAT WE COULD DISCUSS THIS FURTHER, UM, AND THEN BRING IT BACK AND MAKE SOME RECOMMENDATION. I MEAN, IT IS A COMPLEX ISSUE AND, AND IT'S DIFFICULT TO DO IT IN THIS SETTING. SO I THINK IT WOULD BE WELL ADVISED FOR THE COMMITTEE TO HAVE A, THE SUBCOMMITTEE, THE COMMISSION TO HAVE A SUBCOMMITTEE AND THEN COME BACK TO THE WHOLE AND MAKE THE STATEMENT, BECAUSE A LOT OF THIS IS, UM, PRETTY COMPLEX. MM-HMM . SO I, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT HAPPEN TOO. OKAY. ALRIGHT. WITH THAT, UM, I'D LIKE TO BRING IT TO YOU, I'LL, AND I WON'T, I'LL DO, IS I'LL CALL YOU UP BY INDIVIDUAL NAME FOR THOSE THAT CAME LATER. IF YOU DIDN'T FILL ONE OUT, I WILL GIVE YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO TALK. BUT I WANNA GO FIRST THROUGH THOSE INDIVIDUALS THAT FILLED OUT A CARD. SO THE FIRST NAME I HAVE IS MIKE, COME ON FORWARD. WE'RE NOT GONNA TRY TO , UM, TRY TO LIMIT YOUR COMMENTS TO THREE MINUTES SO THAT WE ALL HAVE A OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE. IF YOU CAN. THANK YOU. MY NAME'S MIKE LARA, AND I'M A WRIGLEY RESIDENT FOR, I DON'T KNOW, 25 YEARS. UH, AND I'M, MY CONCERNS THAT I WANT TO SPEAK TO, OBVIOUSLY THE NOISE IS THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM, BUT WE CAN'T TALK ABOUT THAT. AND THESE CONCERNS ARE MORE ON PERSONAL EXPERIENCE WITH, UH, ACQUAINTANCES. I USED TO PLAY BASKETBALL WITH A BUNCH OF GUYS THAT WORKED FOR BOEING AND FOR FAA AND THE FAA GUYS WERE NOT REAL. THEY, THEY WOULD OFTEN TALK ABOUT THE COMPLEXITY AND CHALLENGES OF DEALING WITH THE GENERAL AVIATION. THEY SAID DEALING WITH COMMERCIAL WAS EASY. THE GENERAL PART REALLY TOOK A DISPROPORTIONATE AMOUNT OF THEIR ENERGY. SO ALONG THE SAME LINES, I HAVE A COUPLE FRIENDS WHO ARE RETIRED, UH, COMMERCIAL PILOTS, AND THEY SAID THE SAME THING. THEY REFERRED TO THEM AS THE GNATS FLYING AROUND, BUT , UH, THAT WAS THEIR PERSONAL BIAS. BUT I UNDERSTAND THAT MAYBE THE PHYSICAL IMPACT ISN'T THAT GREAT ON THE RUNWAY AND THINGS OF THESE SMALL PLANES, BUT IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THEY PROBABLY DO CONSUME A LOT OF ENERGY OF THE TOWER OF AIR TRAFFIC CONTROL. AND THEY ARE A SOURCE OF CONCERN FOR THE COMMERCIAL PILOTS. AND IT SEEMS TO ME KIND OF INEQUITABLE THAT COMMERCIALS BEARING ALL OF THE BURDEN OF THE LANDING FEES. IT SEEMS LIKE THE GENERAL AVIATION OBVIOUSLY NOT AT THE SAME RATE, BUT SHOULD BE PITCHING IN TO SOME EXTENT TO HELP DEFER THESE THINGS. YEAH, THAT'S ABOUT IT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MIKE. UH, TARA, I'M DELIBERATELY PICKING PEOPLE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROOM, RIGHT? ? UH, SO MY NAME IS TARA CUMINS. UM, FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU TO THE AIRPORT STAFF FOR PUTTING TOGETHER THE INFORMATION TO ANSWER THE COMMITTEE'S QUESTIONS REGARDING LANDING FEES. UM, ANY OBJECTION OR ISN'T AN INDICATION OF [00:45:01] MY APPRECIATION OF YOUR WORK. UH, ALSO WOULD LIKE TO THANK THE, THE COMMITTEE FOR THE ROBUST, ROBUST CONVERSATION ABOUT NOISE. AND I HOPE YOU'LL HOLD A SEPARATE MEETING ON THAT TOPIC SO THAT THAT CAN BE ADDRESSED IN THE CORRECT FORMAT. WITH THAT, WHAT'S MISSING FROM THE QUESTIONS THAT WERE ASKED TODAY AND IS ANY JUSTIFICATION OF WHY THE AIRPORT DOESN'T NEED ADDITIONAL REVENUE IN LONG BEACH AIRPORT'S OWN FISCAL YEAR BUDGET FOR 2026, THE AIRPORT SAYS, AND I QUOTE, AIRLINES ARE REVISING PROJECTIONS DOWNWARD IN RESPONSE TO AIRCRAFT SUPPLY CONSTRAINTS AND A SOFTER ECONOMIC OUTLOOK. IT GOES ON TO SAY, AND I QUOTE, A PRIMARY FOCUS OF THE AIRPORT IS BALANCING REVENUE STREAMS TO ENSURE A STRONG FINANCIAL PERFORMANCE AS THE INDUSTRY ENTERS AN INCREASED PERIOD OF CHALLENGES. WHY THE AIRPORT WOULD CHOOSE TO INCREASE FEES LIKE PARKING FEES, BUT NOT EVEN CONSIDER LANDING FEES. BOGGLES MY MIND. IN 2026, THE AIRPORT REPORTED AN EXPECTED DECREASE IN REVENUE OF $2.2 MILLION, BUT SAID IT WAS PLANNING TO RECOVER 1.7 MILLION OF THOSE DOLLARS THROUGH ADDITIONAL AIRLINE CHARGES, WHICH OF COURSE GETS PASSED ON TO COMMERCIAL PASSENGERS IN THE FORM OF INCREASED TICKET FEES. SO I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, WHO IS THE AIRPORT PROTECTING FAA GRANT ASSURANCES 22 REQUIRES THAT THE AIRPORT BE AVAILABLE WITHOUT UNJUST DISCRIMINATION, AS WE'VE DISCUSSED TO ALL CLASSES OF THE AERONAUTICAL ACTIVITY, CHARGING A CHARGING ONE CLASS, AN AVERAGE OF $744 A LANDING AND A SECOND CLASS, NOTHING. WHILE THAT SECOND CLASS FLIES 91% OF THE TRAFFIC ADDING TO THE COMPLEXITY THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED OF THE AIRSPACE, THE BURDEN IT SHOULD BE ON THE AIRPORT TO PROVE WHY IT DOESN'T NEED TO BALANCE ITS BOOKS. IN LIGHT OF INCREASED OIL FEES, SOFTENING ECONOMY AND OPERATING DEFICITS, THE BURDEN SHOULD BE ON THE AIRPORT TO EXPLAIN TO COMMERCIAL PASSENGERS WHY THEY PAY HIGHER TICKET PRICES. THE BURDEN IS NOT ON THE COMMUNITY TO JUSTIFY ITS ASK THAT THE AIRPORT IMPLEMENT EQUITABLE LANDING FEES TO REDUCE ITS UNSUSTAINABLE OPERATING COSTS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UH, GLENYS. HELLO, I'M GLENNIS DOLCE FROM CAL HEIGHTS AND SANER. THE STAFF SAYS THAT A FULL VALUE ANALYSIS TAKES SIX TO 12 MONTHS AND HAS TO, UH, REVIEW THE ENTIRE AIRPORT'S COSTS. LET'S NOT MAKE THIS HARDER THAN WE NEED IT TO BE. GENERAL AVIATION IS 91% OF GBS OPERATIONS. LGB IS UNIQUE IN THAT IT HAS TWO RUNWAYS THAT SERVE GENERAL AVIATION EXCLUSIVELY. NO STUDY IS NEEDED FOR THAT. LGB IS SPENDING $27 MILLION THIS YEAR TO REBUILD A TAXIWAY F THE APRON SERVING 26 LA RUNWAY GENERAL AVIATION USES EXCLUSIVELY. HMM. THAT'S A BONDED COST CENTER. THE AIRPORT CAN ALREADY ISOLATE USING VERIFIABLE OPERATIONAL DATA. LANDING FEES, TIERED ON WEIGHT, ALREADY SCALE WITH WEAR AND TEAR, AND IT USES THE EXISTING WEIGHT-BASED BILLING SYSTEM. LGB ALREADY RUNS FOR COMMERCIAL AIRLINES AND SUCCESSFUL TIERED MODELS ABOUND. THE FACT IS THE REQUEST FOR LANDING FEES ASKS ONLY GA ONLY GA TO PAY A SHARE OF THE COSTS THAT, UH, TO RUN AND MAINTAIN THE AIRFIELD THAT THE AIR, UH, THAT THE AIRFIELD, UH, AIRPORT IS LOSING MONEY ON EVERY YEAR. A GA REVENUE PROPOSAL BUILT ON THAT SHOULDN'T TAKE A YEAR. IT SHOULD TAKE THREE MONTHS. LONG BEACH IS DEPENDENT ON COMMERCIAL FEES. AIRPORT DIRECTOR CYNTHIA GOODRICH TOLD CITY COUNCIL THAT S SCHEDULED AIRLINE SERVICE IS LIKELY TO DROP 15% IN 2006. COMMERCIAL FLIGHTS BRING IN ROUGHLY 80% OF AIRPORT REVENUE, BUT FLY ONLY ABOUT 9% OF OPERATIONS. STAFF SUGGESTS THAT TOUCH AND GOES SHOULD PAY LESS OR NOTHING BECAUSE IT ONLY TOUCHES THE RUNWAY WHILE [00:50:01] A FULL STOP LANDING ALSO USES THE TAXIWAYS. JUST LIKE THE OVER ROCK COST ANALYSIS SUGGESTION, THIS MAKES EVERYTHING MORE COMPLICATED THAN IT NEEDS TO BE. FOR ONE, IT MEANS BUILDING AN ENTIRELY NEW BILLING SYSTEM WITH ADDITIONAL COSTS SIMPLY TO CREATE A CARVE OUT FOR THE MAJORITY OF AIRPORT USERS. I COULD ONLY FIND ONE EXAMPLE OF AN AIRPORT THAT EXEMPTS SUCH TOUCH AND GOES, THANK YOU. YOUR TIME HAS CONCLUDED. GO, GO AHEAD AND FINISH. THANK YOU. IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE ALMOST THERE. , UM, AT A MIXED USE AIRPORT, THAT AIRPORT CHARGES COMMERCIAL FLIGHTS, $8 AND 67 CENTS PER 1000 POUNDS. THAT'S $2 AND 67 CENTS PER 1000 POUNDS. MORE THAN LONG BEACH CHARGES 67% OF THE GENERAL AVIATION OPERATIONS AT LGBR PATTERN WORK. AND THAT'S ABOUT 218,000 OF 325,000 ANNUAL GA OPERATIONS. EXEMPTING TWO OUT OF EVERY THREE OPERATIONS ISN'T A ROUNDING ERROR, IT'S AN IRRESPONSIBLE REVENUE LOSS. GIVING A CARVE OUT TO A SINGLE CLASS OF USERS IS DISCRIMINATORY, UH, TO EVERY OTHER USER. THAT'S NOT EITHER. THAT'S NOT EASIER OR FAIRER. THAT'S PROTECTIONIST AND IT'S A BRAND NEW ADMINISTRATIVE BURDEN WITHOUT PURPOSE, WEIGHT-BASED FEES ARE ALREADY IN PLACE, UH, AND WEIGHT DIFFERENCES ARE WITHOUT ADMINISTRATIVE BURDEN. USE THE SYSTEM THAT WORKS THE WAY THAT IT WORKS, THAT'S EQUITABLE AND FAIR TO ALL AIRPORT USERS. OKAY, THANK YOU. UM, STEWART, GOOD AFTERNOON. YOU'VE PROBABLY SEEN ME BEFORE BY VIRTUE OF MY HAIRY UPPER LID . UM, MY NAME IS STUART GALLOWAY AND I LIVE IN BIXBY KNOLLS. UM, MY ROOF ACTUALLY HAS RUBBER TIRE MARKS, I THINK FROM THE HEIGHT OF THE BRAINS FLYING OVER THE TOP OF IT. BUT I WILL CONTINUE ON WITH, UH, THE SER PRESENTATION 'CAUSE I'M A MEMBER OF THAT GROUP AS WELL. STAFF RAISES A RED FLAG ABOUT THE SO-CALLED LEGAL DANGERS OF IMPLEMENTING LANDING FEES AND REFERRED TO ANOTHER AIRPORT CALLED FALCON FIELD. BUT ANY COMPARISON TO FALCON FIELD IS MORE OF A RED HERRING THAN A RED FLAG. FALCON FIELD IS AN AIRPORT WITHOUT COMMERCIAL AVIATION, AND THEY ARE NOT ALREADY IMPLEMENTING LANDING FEES. THE CASE AGAINST FALCON FIELD ALSO CLAIMS THAT FALCON FIELD MANUFACTURED A FINANCIAL NEED IN ORDER TO JUSTIFY LANDING FEES. BUT LONG BEACH AIRPORT ISN'T MANUFACTURING ANY FINANCIAL NEED. IT'S IN BLACK AND WHITE. WE HAVE A $10.6 MILLION OPERATING LOSS, $101 MILLION IN DEBT, $8.6 MILLION A YEAR JUST GOES IN DEBT SERVICE. THE REDUCED COMMERCIAL AIR TRAFFIC DUE TO A SOFTENING ECONOMY IS GONNA MAKE THAT WORSE. LGB CARRIES AN EXPOSURE. FALCON FIELD DOESN'T HAVE GRANT ASSURANCE. 22 ECONOMIC NON-DISCRIMINATION. THIS AIRPORT ALREADY BILLS ONE CLASS OF USER COMMERCIAL AIRLINES, AN AVERAGE OF $744 PER LANDING AND BUILDS A SECOND CLASS. GENERAL AVIATION EXACTLY ZERO. FALCON FIELD SITUATION IS ENTIRELY UNRELATED TO LONG BEACH AIRPORTS. BESIDE HELPING THE AIRPORT CLOSE A GAP ON ITS 10 MILLION 2025 OPERATING LOSS, INCREASED LANDING FEES COULD EVEN POTENTIALLY REDUCE THE PRICES. COMMERCIAL PASSENGERS PAY BY MORE SUITABLY, OH, SORRY, MORE EQUITABLY DISTRIBUTING THE COSTS OF OPERATING AND MAINTAINING THE FIELD ACROSS ACTUAL USERS. THIS COMMISSION NEEDS TO DIRECT STAFF TO COME BACK WITH A PROPOSAL TO IMPLEMENT FAIR NON-DISCRIMINATORY LANDING FEES. THANK YOU. UM, KRISTY. SO, UM, MY NAME IS KRISTY WHITE AND I'VE LIVED IN MY LITTLE HOUSE ON LEMON AVENUE SINCE 1992. SO I'VE BEEN HERE FOR A LONG TIME. CONTINUING WITH THE CENTER PRESENTATION. UM, EVERY BUSINESS HAS COSTS, BUT WHY THE AVIATION BUSINESSES AND PRIVATE PILOTS SHOULD BENEFIT FROM THE GENEROSITY OF TAXPAYERS, COMMERCIAL PASSENGERS, AND ALL OF THAT IS SOMETHING THAT THE AIRPORT SHOULD REALLY ADDRESS [00:55:01] WITH SPECIFIC NUMBERS FOR US. BUT IF THIS ADVISORY COMMISSION IS LOOKING FOR A WAY TO EASE COST CONCERNS FOR THE WEALTHY PILOTS, THEN WE HAVE A SUGGESTION. LOWER THE FUEL FLOWAGE FEES. FUEL FLOWAGE FEES ARE MOSTLY PAID BY LOCAL USERS AND THE LONG BEACH FUEL FLOWAGE FEES ARE ON THE HIGHER SIDE OF OTHER AIRPORTS. LONG BEACH CHARGES 12 CENTS A GALLON THAT'S HIGHER THAN BURBANK, SACRAMENTO, ONTARIO, WHO ALL CHARGE FIVE. IT'S EVEN HIGHER THAN JOHN WAYNE'S 6 CENTS A GALLON. AS ELECTRIC AIRCRAFT COME ONLINE, FUEL FLOWAGE FEES WILL BE LESS PRACTICAL AS A FUNDING SOURCE. IF LONG BEACH WANTS TO BE AN AVIATION LEADER, THEN IT SHOULD ALSO LEAD WITH FISCAL SUSTAINABILITY. LANDING FEE REVENUE COULD, ACCORDING TO THE STAFF REPORT, SUPPLANT ALL PROPORTION OF THE FUEL FLOWAGE FREE FEE REVENUE DONE CORRECTLY. LANDING FEES COULD MEAN LOWER FUEL COSTS, AND A FAIR MORE STABLE FUNDING SOURCE FOR THE AIRPORT. LOWER FEES FOR COMMERCIAL CUSTOMERS AND LOWER FUEL COSTS FOR LOCAL CLAIMS. UH, JEAN. HI, MY NAME IS JEAN YOUNG BIXBY KNOWS RESIDENT AND SANER, UM, MEMBER. UM, A DEFENSIBLE LANDING FEE MUST BE WEIGHT AND IMPACT BASED. THAT STANDARD IS ALREADY SUCCESSFULLY IMPLEMENTED AT LONG BEACH. LONG BEACH AIRPORT CURRENTLY CHARGES $6 PER THOUSAND POUNDS TO COMMERCIAL FLIGHTS, EXTENDING THE SAME RATE TO OTHER AIRCRAFT, IS CLEAN, NON-DISCRIMINATORY, AND ADDRESSES THE DIFFERENT STRESSES PLACED ON THE AIRFIELD BY THE AIRCRAFT. LET'S REMEMBER, THE AVERAGE LANDING FEE FOR A COMMERCIAL FLIGHT LAST YEAR WAS $744 UNDER THE SAME RATE OF $6 PER THOUSAND POUNDS. A CESSNA 1 72, A TYPICAL TRAINER AT 2,550 POUNDS, PAYS ABOUT $15 A LANDING. A MID-WEIGHT JET, LIKE A CITATION XLS AT 18,700 POUNDS PAYS ABOUT $112 A LANDING. THAT'S NOT DISPROPORTIONATE OR DISCRIMINATORY. THAT'S THE WEIGHT-BASED IMPACT BASED ALLOCATION. APPLIED FAIRLY WEIGHT-BASED LANDING FEES DON'T NEED BIG STUDIES. THEY ALREADY SCALE, WEAR AND TEAR, AND THEY ARE PROVEN LEGALLY SOUND. IF LONG BEACH WANTS EXAMPLES, IT DOESN'T EVEN NEED TO BE INNOVATIVE. THE ANSWERS EXIST AT OTHER AIRPORTS WITH SIMILAR PROFILES AS LONG BEACH. WHY THE STAFF REPORT LEAVES OUT THIS SUCCESSFUL IMPLEMENTATIONS OF LANDING FEES IS CURIOUS. BUT LET'S LOOK AT JUST ONE OF THEM, WHICH IS ONTARIO INTERNATIONAL. IT'S AN AIRPORT WITH BOTH COMMERCIAL AND GENERAL AVIATION. JUST LIKE LONG BEACH, ONTARIO CHARGES A TIERED WEIGHT-BASED LANDING FEE WITH NO EXEMPTIONS AND EXCEPTIONS, THE FEE STRUCTURE HAS NEVER BEEN CHALLENGED. LET'S LOOK AT IT. SO ALL AIRCRAFT UNDER 12,500 POUNDS ARE CHARGED 31 TO 38 CENTS PER LANDING AIRCRAFT BETWEEN 12,501 AND 25,000 POUNDS. 59 TO $74 PER LANDING AIRCRAFT OVER 25,000 POUNDS, $2, $2 AND 50 CENTS PER THOUSAND POUNDS. OKAY. AS MENTIONED, ONTARIO DIDN'T NEED TO SQUEEZE FUEL PRICES TO FUND ITS AIRFIELD FAIRLY, IT JUST CHARGES A FAIR LANDING FEE TO ALL OPERATIONS. NOTABLY, UH, LONG BEACH'S 2025 OPERATING LOSS IS OVER 10 MILLION WHILE ONTARIO'S 2025 OPERATING LOSS WAS 672,000. UH, LONG BEACH'S OPERATING LOSS IS 14 TIMES THAT OF ONTARIO'S. IF ONTARIO RUNS THIS MODEL CLEAN FOR YEARS WITH NO LEGAL FIGHT, LONG BEACH CAN STUDY THAT EXAMPLE INSTEAD OF HIDING BEHIND ARIZONA AIR FIELDS THAT REALLY DON'T APPLY HERE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND LISA? DONE. HELLO EVERYBODY. MY NAME'S LISA DUNN AND CONTINUATION OF OUR PRESENTATION. MM-HMM . WE ASKED STAFF A DIRECT QUESTION IN JULY. WHAT SPECIFIC LGB DATA PRODUCED TWO CONCLUSIONS FROM THE JULY PRESENTATION THAT A GA LANDING FEE WOULD BE REVENUE [01:00:01] NEUTRAL. AND THAT QUOTE, HEADWINDS ARE RISING STAFFS ANSWER NAMED SOURCES, THE CITY MUNIS ACCOUNTING SYSTEM, PUBLIC, FAA AND CITY CODE WEBSITES, ONLINE ARTICLES, LEGAL FILINGS THAT TELLS US WHERE GENERAL AVIATION OR GENERAL INFORMATION LIVES. IT IS NOT THE CALCULATION REVENUE NEUTRAL AND HEADWINDS RISING WERE THE TWO REASONS THIS COMMISSION WAS GIVEN FOR NOT MOVING FORWARD WITH LANDING FEES. IF LBS OWN NUMBERS ACTUALLY SUPPORT THOSE CONCLUSIONS, THE MATH SHOULD TAKE AN AFTERNOON TO PRODUCE AND ONE PAGE TO SHARE. THE FACT IS, TWO MONTHS LATER, WE STILL SEE NO LEGAL OR MATHEMATICAL SOURCE FOR KEEPING THINGS STATUS QUO. WE'RE ASKING FOR ARITHMETIC. SHOW THE NUMBERS OR STOP CITING UNVERIFIED CONCLUSIONS WITH DATA NOT SPECIFIC TO LONG BEACH AIRPORT. WE'RE ASKING THE COMMISSION FOR THREE THINGS TONIGHT. ONE DIRECT STAFF TO RETURN WITHIN THREE MONTHS WITH A GENERAL AVIATION LANDING FEE REVENUE PROPOSAL, NOT A SIX TO 12 MONTH WHOLE AIRPORT STUDY A REVENUE PROPOSAL USING THE WEIGHT-BASED SYSTEM. LGB ALREADY RUNS AND THE OPERATIONS DATA. THE TOWER ALREADY REPORTS TO THE FAA EVERY MONTH. TWO, IF STAFF WANTS A CONCESSION FOR SMALL, LOCALLY BASED OPERATORS, MAKE THE FUEL FLOWAGE IN LINE WITH OTHER AIRPORTS IN SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA. THIS PROVIDES A BENEFIT FOR LOCAL OPERATORS WITHOUT JEOPARDIZING GRANT ASSURANCES. THREE, IF LONG BEACH BELIEVES CHARGING COMMERCIAL AIRLINES $744 A LANDING WHILE CHARGING GENERAL AVIATION ZERO IS FAIR AND NOT UNJUSTLY DISCRIMINATORY UNDER FEDERAL LAW, AND THAT IT CAN'T BENEFIT FROM REVENUE TO CLOSE ITS OPERATING LOSS, THE AIRPORT SHOULD PROVE IT IN PUBLIC WEIGHT-BASED COST ANALYSIS. THANK YOU. OKAY. I KNOW SEVERAL INDIVIDUALS CAME IN LATE. IS THERE ANYBODY WHO WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS US THAT DID NOT FILL OUT A CARD? I'D LIKE TO COME ON FORWARD PLEASE, AND, SORRY, I TWISTED MY CALL. AND, AND STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD. CINDY MILLETTE. OKAY. UM, I DON'T HAVE ANY KIND OF PRESENTATION PRESENTED, BUT THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS, I HEARD THE AIRPORT DIRECTOR REALLY FIGHT AGAINST WANTING TO STREAM, STREAMLINE THE PROCESS, AND SHE MAKES IT LIKE IT'S A BIG ORDEAL, WHEREAS THE MEMBERS OF SANER JUST LAID IT OUT VERY SIMPLY OF WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE. IT'S NOT COMPLICATED. IT'S A FORMULA THAT THEY ALREADY USE AND DON'T TRY TO PUT IT PAST US. THEY'RE SMART PEOPLE. THEY'VE DONE THEIR RESEARCH AND YOU'VE SEEN IT TOO, AND YOU'VE HEARD IT. SO PLEASE FOLLOW THEIR CONCLUSIONS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE? IF NOT, UM, I JUST HAVE A QUICK QUESTION. OKAY. WELL, BUT YOU NEED TO COME UP TO THE MICROPHONE PLEASE, AND GO AHEAD AND PLEASE TELL US YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD. UH, MY NAME IS GEORGE MENDOZA. I LIVE IN CAL HEIGHTS AND I'M A HORRIBLE PUBLIC SPEAKER, , BUT I'LL GIVE IT A SHOT. SO BEAR WITH ME. UM, I DON'T HAVE AN AGENDA, BUT JUST BASED ON WHAT I'VE HEARD TODAY AND WHAT I CAME FOR IS MORE THE MONEY, NOT THE NOISE. AS MY NEIGHBORS HAVE STATED, UH, SEVERAL FACTS. TWO OF THE MOST CONCERNING THINGS THAT I CAME ACROSS TONIGHT IS WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, UH, WONDERFUL, UH, AIRPORT STAFF THAT'S SMART, PREPARED, AND HAS TONS OF RESOURCES, YET THEY DON'T HAVE DATA FOR VALID KEY QUESTIONS. AS, UH, COMMISSIONER IDS POINTED OUT VALID QUESTIONS THAT WOULD REALLY, UM, YOU KNOW, TAKE US TO THE MONEY. AND, UH, SECONDLY, AS COMMISSIONER MUSCU HAS STATED, WE'VE BEEN USING THE SAME FIRM FOR 20 YEARS AND NOBODY'S BOTHERED TO QUESTION THAT. YOU KNOW, WE, IT, IT CAN KEEPS COMING BACK WITH THE SAME ANSWER, YOU KNOW? MM-HMM . SO SOMEBODY'S BENEFITING FROM THIS. AND IT'S CERTAINLY NOT THE COMMUNITY. SO IF WE'RE IN IT FOR THE MONEY, I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF OUR CREATIVE WAYS TO, UH, MOVE FORWARD. OTHERWISE, UM, I WOULD SUGGEST CHANGING AMERICA'S COOLEST AIRPORT TO AMERICA'S, UH, FREE FOR ALL AIRPORT OR ALMOST FREE FOR ALL. IF YOU'D LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT, PLEASE DO SO IN THE MICROPHONE. THANK YOU. AND JUST STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD. HELLO, MY NAME'S DIANA SALA. I LIVE ON LIME IN THE 3,700 BLOCK. I'VE BEEN THERE SINCE 82. UH, I LIVED IN GUNDRY BEFORE THAT, [01:05:01] SO I KIND OF AM VERY FAMILIAR WITH WHAT THE AIRPORT HAS BEEN LIKE FOR US AS A COMMUNITY TO DEAL WITH. I USED TO SIT OUT IN MY BACKYARD AND I USED TO READ MY PAPER, AND I CAN'T DO THAT ANYMORE BECAUSE IT IS JUST WAY TOO NOISY WHERE WE ARE. I'M VERY CONCERNED. FIRST OF ALL, I HAVE ONE QUESTION. HOW MANY OF YOU ACTUALLY LIVE NEAR THE AIRPORT AND ITS OPERATIONS? WELL, OKAY, SO HALF DO AND THEN HALF OF YOU DON'T. SO THE OTHER HALF WHO DON'T NEED TO RELY UPON THOSE OF US WHO DO LIVE IN THIS COMMUNITY AND AREN'T EXPOSED TO THIS ALL THE TIME, I'M VERY CONCERNED AS A NURSE THAT NOISE IS NOT EVEN BEING CONSIDERED. IT'S ALL ABOUT THE MONEY AND BOTTOM LINE. I UNDERSTAND THAT HOWEVER, HEALTHCARE COSTS IN THE UNITED STATES ARE CLIMBING AND THEY'RE GETTING WORSE AND HEALTH AND NOISE AND LEAD EXPOSURE, THOSE ARE TWO HUGE THINGS THAT IMPACT OUR HEALTH AND OUR COMMUNITY. IT'S ALL VERY LONG TERM. NOT SHORT TERM, JUST LIKE BOTTOM LINE. PAYING FOR AN ANNUAL BUDGET IS, BUT IT'S GOING TO INCREASE WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN TO US. AND JUST NOW WHAT HAPPENED WITH OUR EPA LAWS THAT HAVE JUST BEEN, THAT WE'RE GOING TO OUR HOSPITAL IS GOING TO BE HUGELY IMPACTED WITH ALL THIS. WE ALREADY HAVE BEEN, I WORKED AT LONG BEACH MEMORIAL FOR 44 YEARS AS AN RN. I SAW THIS IN THE COMMUNITY. SO I'M ASKING YOU TO PAY ATTENTION. PAY ATTENTION TO US, PLEASE. THIS IS SERIOUS. THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE? SEEING NONE. UM, I WOULD APPRECIATE FOR THE COMMISSION IF WE COULD HAVE OUR LEGAL STAFF GET TO A MICROPHONE AND I WOULD LIKE HER ADVICE AS TO WHAT WE CAN AND CAN'T DO AS A COMMISSION AT THIS POINT IN TERMS OF RECOMMENDATIONS. SO ARE YOU ASKING IN TERMS OF WHAT, WHAT AUTHORITY THE COMMISSION HAS TO TAKE CERTAIN ACTION IN TERMS, IN TERMS OF THE ACTION THAT COULD BE TAKEN TODAY. SO THE ACTION TAKEN TODAY, SPECIFICALLY THE AGENDIZED ITEM IS A RECEIVING FILE. SO THAT'S WHAT THE COMMISSION CAN DO TONIGHT. IF IT WANTS TO AGENDIZE A DIFFERENT ITEM FOR A DIFFERENT MEETING, IT CERTAINLY HAS THE ABILITY TO DO THAT. SO SPECIFICALLY FOR WHAT ACTIONS CAN BE TAKEN TONIGHT, IT'S WHAT'S ON THE AGENDA, WHICH TONIGHT HAPPENS TO BE A RECEIVING FILE. BUT IF SOMETHING ELSE IS IZED IN THE FUTURE, THEN UM, THAT ACTION CAN BE TAKEN. SO I THINK YOU HEARD THIS EVENING THERE WAS AN INTEREST IN FORMING AN AD HOC COMMITTEE FROM YOUR SIDE, WHAT WOULD BE THE ACTION TO BE TAKEN BY THIS COMMISSION IN ORDER TO ESTABLISH AN AD HOC COMMITTEE, UM, TO AGENDIZE THAT ITEM FOR A FUTURE MEETING? OKAY. AND THAT WOULD BE DONE AND THAT WOULD BE DONE VIA MOTION AND SECOND, AND THEN CONFIRMED BY THE FULL COMMISSION. AND THAT'S REQUIRED ACTUALLY UNDER THE LAW THAT THE ITEM NEEDS TO BE AGENDIZED, UM, IN ORDER FOR THE, UM, BOARD TO CON OR THE COMMISSION TO CONSIDER IT. OKAY. AND THE PURPOSE NEEDS TO BE CLARIFIED NOW, OR CAN IT BE CLARIFIED AT THE TIME THE AGENDA ITEM IS PRESENTED? UM, BUT WHEN THE AGENDA ITEM IS CONSIDERED. OKAY. SO I, I MEAN, THE AGENDA ITEM NEEDS TO BE CLEAR ENOUGH SO THAT THE PUBLIC HAS NOTICE ON WHAT THE, UM, COMMISSION IS GOING TO CONSIDER, UM, SIMILAR TO THIS IS LIKE A RECEIVE AND FILE AND SO THAT THERE'S ENOUGH, UM, NOTICE FOR THE PUBLIC TO COME IF THEY ARE INTERESTED IN, UM, COMMENTING ON THE MATTER. AND THEN IF, IF THERE'S ANY PORTION THAT'S UNCLEAR THAT CAN BE DISCUSSED, UM, AT THE MEETING. SO WE WOULD PROCEED FORWARD. THERE CURRENTLY IS ON THE FLOOR A RECOMMENDATION TO RECEIVE AND FILE THAT WAS MOVED IN, SECONDED. ONCE THAT'S HEARD, A COMMISSIONER COULD THEN INTRODUCE THE SECOND MOTION TO HAVE AN AGENDA ITEM PLACED FOR NEXT MEETING. CORRECT. I'M TRYING TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS WHAT YOU'RE TELLING US TO DO. SO THE AGENDA ITEM WOULD HAVE TO BE A DISCUSSION WITH YOU AS THE CHAIR BECAUSE YOU DECIDE WHAT GOES ON THE NEXT AGENDA. SO THERE'S NOT A MOTION TONIGHT TO HA HOLD AN AD HOC COMMITTEE BECAUSE THAT, AGAIN, THAT, THAT NEEDS TO BE AN ACTUAL AGENDA ITEM. SO IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THIS COMMISSION WANTS TO TAKE UP AT THE NEXT MEETING, IT CERTAINLY CAN, IT JUST NEEDS TO BE AGENDIZED. SO WE COULD HAVE A DISCUSSION ON THE GENERAL INTEREST LEVEL TO DO SO THOUGH. CORRECT. UM, IT'S REALLY OUTSIDE THE [01:10:01] SCOPE OF THIS RECEIVING FILE, SO IT SHOULD BE AGENDIZED FOR THE NEXT MEETING IN TERMS OF WHETHER YOU WANT TO HOLD, OR FOR EXAMPLE, THERE'S BEEN DISCUSSION ABOUT HAVING AN AD HOC COMMITTEE OR CREATING AN AD HOC COMMITTEE. MM-HMM . SO THAT WOULD BE THE AGENDA ITEM AT THE NEXT MEETING OR WHATEVER FUTURE MEETING IF THERE IS INTEREST FOR THAT. AND THEN THERE COULD BE A DISCUSSION REGARDING WHETHER OR NOT YOU WANT TO MOVE FORWARD. SO THAT WOULD BE THE MOTION AND THEN THERE WOULD BE A VOTE ON IT IN TERMS OF YES, WE SHOULD MOVE FORWARD, UM, HAVING AN AD HOC COMMITTEE, OR NO, WE DON'T. THAT WOULD BE WHAT THE COMMISSION, UM, WOULD BE VOTING ON. DO YOU VOTE ON IT NOW? THAT WOULD ACTUALLY BE A BROWN ACT VIOLATION TO, UM, TO VOTE ON HAVING AN AD HOC COMMITTEE AT THIS MEETING. 'CAUSE IT'S NOT BEEN PROPERLY AGENDIZED. SO UNFORTUNATELY THAT CAN'T BE DONE AT THIS MEETING, BUT IT CERTAINLY COULD BE DONE AT A FUTURE MEETING. OKAY. I JUST WANTED THAT CLARIFIED FOR YOU FOLKS AND THE COMMISSION AS WELL. SO COMMISSIONER ZARN, I THINK IT'S CLEAR THAT WHAT WE NEED TO DO AT THE NEXT MEETING IS PUT IT ON THE AGENDA. MM-HMM . THAT WE'RE GONNA FORM AN AD HOC COMMITTEE AND AT THAT POINT, UM, THE PUBLIC CAN MAKE COMMENT ABOUT THAT, BUT WE WON'T BE COMING BACK WITH ANY KIND OF RECOMMENDATION UNTIL THAT COMMITTEE MEETS MM-HMM . SO MY BELIEF IS WE CAN'T PUT IT ON AN AGENDA NOW, BUT WE WILL DO THAT AT OUR NEXT MEETING IN OCTOBER. OKAY. CORRECT. AM I RIGHT? EXCUSE ME. EXCUSE ME. THEY CAN ASK RIGHT NOW. I'M SORRY. I'M ASKING YOU LEGALLY THEY CAN ASK RIGHT NOW FOR THE NEXT MEETING TO PUT ON THE AGENDA THAT WE WANT TO DISCUSS THIS. AND THAT'S ALL IT IS, IS DISCUSSING . GO AHEAD AND ANSWER THE QUESTION. OKAY. UM, TECHNICALLY THE, I THINK THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD IS CLOSED. IS CLOSED, SO, BUT I, I WOULD LIKE EVERYBODY TO BE CLEAR ON THIS TOPIC BEFORE WE LEAVE, SO, OKAY. UH, I, AS A CHAIR, I'LL ASK YOU THE SAME QUESTION. YES. UM, MAKE IT REALLY CLEAR, WE CANNOT, AS A COMMISSION, MAKE A RECOMMENDATION THIS EVENING TO HAVE AN AD HOC COMMITTEE. THAT'S THE ONLY THING CAN HAPPEN IS THAT THE CHAIR, BASED ON THE COMMENTS I'VE RECEIVED TONIGHT, CAN ASK THE DIRECTOR TO PUT IT ON THE AGENDA FOR OUR NEXT MEETING. THAT IS CORRECT. UH, PURSUANT TO THE BROWN ACT, THERE NEEDS TO BE NOTICE ABOUT WHAT THE COMMISSION IS ACTUALLY, UM, GOING TO VOTE ON OR TAKE POTENTIAL ACTION ON, OR, UM, WHATEVER, UH, TOPIC THEY ARE GOING TO BE DISCUSSING OR VOTING ON. AND BECAUSE THAT'S NOT BEEN AGENDIZED, UM, IT, IT CAN'T BE VOTED ON TONIGHT. ALRIGHT. OKAY. I APPRECIATE THE CLARIFICATION. WE'LL LET THE COMMISSION DISCUSS IT AT THIS POINT. SO, ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS? JUST, JUST A COMMENT ON THE AD HOC, UH, COMMITTEE. WHAT, WHAT'S THE MAKEUP OF THAT? IS THAT THE COMMISSION? IS IT THE PUBLIC? HOW, HOW IS THAT? NO, TYPICALLY AN AD HOC WOULD BE LESS THAN A, A QUORUM. SO THERE WOULD HAVE TO BE LIMITED NUMBER OF US THAT WOULD BE AVAILABLE TO DO THAT. UM, OTHERWISE WE RUN INTO BROWN ACT ROLL AND OTHER ITEMS THAT WOULD BE ASSOCIATED WITH IT. SO ASSUMING WE DO PUT IT ON THE AGENDA AND WE DISCUSS IT, UH, WE'LL GO INTO MORE DETAIL AS TO HOW IT'S FORMED AND HOW THAT WOULD WORK. THERE'S ANY OTHER COMMENTS? UM, WE DO HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND ON THE FLOOR, AND I'M SEEING NO OTHER COMMENTS FROM MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS. COULD WE HAVE A ROLL CALL ON THE RECEIVE AND FILE, PLEASE? COMMISSIONER ZARN? YES. COMMISSIONER THOMAS? YES. COMMISSIONER MOSQUERA? YES. COMMISSIONER LARSON? YES. COMMISSIONER BROWN? YES. COMMISSIONER ARIA? YES. VICE CHAIR GALES? YES. CHAIR CHRISTOFFEL? YES. MOTION IS CARRIED. AND FOR THE PUBLIC, FIRST OF ALL, I WANNA THANK YOU FOR COMING. I APPRECIATE YOU ALL COMING OUT. UM, SECOND OF ALL, THERE'S A HIGH LIKELIHOOD THAT THIS MAY COME BACK AS YOU TALK. UH, IF YOU WOULD LIKE THE AD HOC COMMITTEE TO ADDRESS ANYTHING SPECIFIC OTHER THAN WHAT YOU SHARED TONIGHT. WE DO HAVE THAT ON THE RECORD. PLEASE GO AHEAD AND SEND THAT TO THE AIRPORT STAFF SO THE DIRECTOR HAS THAT INFORMATION AS WELL AS SHE CAN SHARE IT WITH MYSELF. SO I'D APPRECIATE THAT. SO, AND WITH THAT, CAN [4. 26-56059 Recommendation to receive and file Monthly Airport Staff Reports for September 2026.       Suggested Action: Approve recommendation. ] YOU GO ON TO THE NEXT ITEM, PLEASE? ITEM NUMBER FOUR, RECOMMENDATION TO RECEIVE AND FILE MONTHLY AIRPORT STAFF REPORTS FOR SEPTEMBER, 2026. IS THERE A PRO MOTION TO APPROVE THE RECOMMENDATION? SO MOVED. SECOND. OKAY. WE HAVE A FIRST AND A SECOND. CAN WE HAVE THE STAFF REPORT PLEASE? THANK YOU, CHAIR AND COMMISSIONERS. UH, WE HAVE A NUMBER OF UPDATES THIS AFTERNOON. FIRST, I WANT TO MENTION A COUPLE OF HIGHLIGHTS AT THE AIRPORT. UH, WE RECENTLY CELEBRATED WITH BOTH SOUTHWEST AIRLINES AND ALASKA AIRLINES, THE INAUGURAL FLIGHTS TO SEATTLE AND PORTLAND. UH, [01:15:01] THOSE TWO DESTINATIONS HAVE, HAVE, UH, BEEN QUITE SUCCESSFUL AS FAR AS THE INTEREST FROM THE PUBLIC. UH, THE CARRIERS AND THE AIRPORT TEAM, UH, REALLY HAD A GREAT TIME IN IN WISHING, UH, THE, THOSE FIRST TRAVELERS, UM, MOVING OUT AND COMING INTO THE AIRPORT, UM, WITH, UH, FUN GIFTS AND, AND CERTAINLY WITH, UM, HOPE HOPEFUL FOR A FUN EXPERIENCE HERE IN LONG BEACH. AND SO WE HOPE THAT THERE'S MUCH SUCCESS TO BOTH OF OUR CARRIERS, BUT WE CERTAINLY, UH, CELEBRATED THAT WELL WITH BOTH ALASKA AND SOUTHWEST. UH, SECONDLY, OUR CAREERS TAKING FLIGHT. THIS WAS OUR FOURTH YEAR AND LAST MONTH WE COMPLETED, UH, THE, THE SECOND COHORT OF STUDENTS, HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS FROM, UH, JORDAN HIGH AND CABRILLO HIGH SCHOOL. AND IN REALLY, UH, INTRODUCING AVIATION TO, TO THOSE STUDENTS. AND, AND REALLY WE WEREN'T SUCCESSFUL WITHOUT THE MULTIPLE PARTNERS, UH, STAKEHOLDERS AND BUSINESS PARTNERS AT THE AIRPORT. UH, THE GRADUATION THAT TOOK PLACE, UH, FOR THOSE, THOSE STUDENTS, UM, WAS WELL ATTENDED. WE HAD COUNCILWOMAN MEGAN KERR THERE, AS WELL AS THE LONG BEACH UNIFIED SCHOOL DISTRICT SUPERINTENDENT DAVID ZA, WHO SPOKE TO THE GRADUATES AND, AND GAVE THEM SOME, SOME REALLY GREAT REMARKS. AND I DO WANT TO DO A QUICK SHOUT OUT TO OUR PUBLIC AFFAIRS TEAM WHO REALLY HAS TAKEN ON THE LEAD WITH OUR CAREERS TAKING FLIGHT, UH, PROGRAM, UH, CURATING AN, AN UNFORGETTABLE EXPERIENCE FOR ALL, ALL THOSE HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS. SO REALLY PROUD TO SEE ANOTHER YEAR OF SUCCESS FOR, FOR THOSE CABRILLO AND JORDAN HIGH STUDENTS LONG BEACH COAST. UH, SPONSORSHIP WRAP, WRAP UP. WE ARE AT THE TAIL END OF THE BASEBALL SEASON FOR, FOR LONG BEACH COAST. UH, WE HAVE HAD, UM, JUST A REALLY GREAT TIME IN PARTNERING, PARTNERING WITH THEM AS THEIR FIRST YEAR OF KICKING OFF, UH, FOR BASEBALL. AND, AND SO THEY'RE IN THE PLAYOFFS, AND SO WE'RE REAL EXCITED FOR THEM. THEY'VE HOSTED A COUPLE OF AIRPORT, UH, EVENTS AT, AT THEIR GAMES, BUT THEY'VE ALSO HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO SMALL POPUPS AT THE AIRPORT AND REALLY TALK TO THE TRAVELERS COMING THROUGH, THROUGH OUR SPACE. AND, AND SO WE'RE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THEM, UH, MOVING FORWARD IN, IN THE PLAYOFFS. WE ALSO HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO DISPLAY THEIR INAUGURAL, UM, POSTER THAT THEY, UM, HAD SOME LOCAL ARTISTS CONTRIBUTE AND, AND CELEBRATED, UH, ONE OF THE WINNERS. AND SO, AND, AND FIRST AND SECOND PLACE. AND SO THAT ARTWORK IS IN OUR CONCOURSE, SO REAL EXCITED TO SUPPORT THEM IN THAT. NEXT I WILL HAVE MONI CHE, OUR FINANCIAL SERVICES OFFICER TO PROVIDE A FINANCE UPDATE. THANK YOU. UH, GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS AGAIN. UM, SO IN YOUR PACKET, THERE SHOULD BE THE COMMERCIAL FLIGHT ACTIVITY REPORT FOR JULY, 2026. STARTING OFF AT THE TOP LEFT FOR COMMERCIAL AIRLINES, WE SEE THAT DELTA AIRLINES HAD 90 LANDINGS, UM, IN JULY, 2026. UH, THAT'S SLIGHTLY LOWER THAN WHAT THEY OPERATE IN 2025. HOWEVER, UH, OVERALL THEIR EMPLOYMENT NUMBERS ARE UP, AND THAT'S DUE TO THEM FLYING, UH, A FEW LARGER AIRCRAFT, UH, FOR THAT MONTH. UM, IT'S, WHICH IS THE TREND THAT THEY'VE SEEN, UM, UH, THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. UH, THAT'S LED TO ABOUT A 16, UH, PERCENT INCREASE IN ACTIVITY, UH, IN TERMS OF EMPLOYMENTS, UH, FOR THE MONTH OF JULY FOR THEM. UH, HAWAIIAN AIRLINES, UH, COMP, UH, FLYING ROUGHLY THE SAME NUMBER OF LANDINGS COMPARED TO LAST YEAR. UM, HOWEVER, LOAD FACTOR ARE SLIGHTLY DOWN, AND SO THAT'S LED TO ABOUT A 1% DECLINE IN THEIR ACTIVITY. AND THEN SOUTHWEST, I'M SEEING SIGNIFICANT REDUCTION IN THEIR FLIGHTS, UM, AND THAT'S LED TO ABOUT A 14% DECLINE IN EMPLOYMENT NUMBERS FOR THEM. UH, HOWEVER WE SEE THAT, UH, FOR COMMER, UH, TOTAL COMMERCIAL, UH, EMPLOYMENT, THERE'S ABOUT 150,000, UM, EMPLOYMENTS FOR THE MONTH OF JULY. UH, EVEN THOUGH THE AVAILABLE SEATS IN THE MARKET IS DOWN 18%, UM, EMPLOYMENT NUMBERS ARE ONLY DOWN 12% BECAUSE THE FLIGHTS ARE, UH, HAVE HIGHER LOW FACTOR AND A LOT MORE FULL, UH, COMPARED TO TODAY, WHERE LAST YEAR, LOOKING AT THE YEAR TO DATE NUMBERS, WE SEE THAT, UM, SIMILAR TRENDS, UH, ARE OCCURRING, UM, FOR DELTA AIRLINES. THEY CONTINUE TO SEE SLIGHTLY HIGHER ACTIVITY AS THEY'VE, UH, FLOWN CONSISTENTLY FLOWN A FEW MORE LARGER AIRCRAFT COMPARED TO LAST YEAR, UH, HAWAIIAN AND AIRLINES SEEING ROUGHLY THE SAME AMOUNT OF ACTIVITY AND SOUTHWEST CONTINUING THEIR, UH, PULLBACK IN FLIGHTS. UM, AND SO THAT'S LED TO ABOUT A 9% DECLINE SO FAR THIS YEAR. UH, MOVING DOWN TO THE AIR CARGO CARRIER SECTION, WE SEE THAT UPS, UH, HAVING A 41 LANDINGS, UH, ONLY TWO MORE THAN LAST YEAR. HOWEVER, UH, TOTAL CARGO TONNAGE PROCESS WAS 17, 17% HIGHER, WHICH IS, UH, ABOUT 1500 COMPARED TO THE 1300 THAT THEY HAD LAST YEAR. UH, THAT'S THE TREND THAT, UH, CPS HAS SEEN THROUGHOUT THE YEAR THIS YEAR WITH, UH, THAT 20%, UM, UH, INCREASE, UH, SINCE, UH, THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR. MOVING ON TO THE NEXT REPORT, WE HAVE THE, UH, BUDGET PERFORMANCE REPORT FOR FISCAL YEAR 26, UH, COVERING QUARTER THREE. SO THAT'S ABOUT 75% THROUGH THE FISCAL YEAR. STARTING OFF AT THE TOP LEFT, WE SEE, UH, PER PASSENGER IN [01:20:01] EMPLOYMENTS FOR THE QUARTER. UM, CO QUARTER THREE SAW 11% DECLINE IN IN EMPLOYS COMPARED TO LAST YEAR. UH, HOWEVER, UH, WE DO SEE THAT TREND TO, UH, DECLINE LEADING TO ABOUT A 7% DECLINE OVERALL IN THE ENTIRE FISCAL YEAR. UM, BY THE END OF THIS YEAR, UH, WE SEE THAT THE SUMMER MONTHS HAVE PERFORMED WELL AND THAT TREND, UM, THAT GAP IS CLOSING WITH THE, UH, UH, DECREASE IN ACTIVITY. MOVING ON TO THE OPERATING REVENUES, WE SEE THAT, UH, QUARTER THREE PERFORMED WELL, UH, AS WE INCREASED FEES TO OFFSET THE DECLINE IN ACTIVITY, UM, BY THE END OF THE FISCAL YEAR. WE DO EXPECT TO END THE YEAR, UH, ROUGHLY THE SAME IN TERMS OF AIRLINE REVENUES COMPARED TO LAST YEAR, LARGELY DUE TO THE INCREASED FEES THAT WE SAW MIDYEAR, UH, UH, PARKING OPERATIONS AND OTHER PASSENGER DEPENDENT REVENUES. WE SEE THOSE, UH, PERFORMING WELL. ALSO, UH, WITH THE RATE INCREASES THAT WE SAW FOR PARKING, UH, THAT'S, UH, ROUGHLY, UH, LEADING TO ABOUT A 2% INCREASE. WE SEE CONCESSION SALES DECREASING, UH, BY ABOUT 9% BY THE END OF THE FISCAL YEAR. CAR, UH, RENTAL CAR REVENUES WILL, UH, HAS PERFORMED VERY WELL AS RENTAL CAR, UH, OPERATIONS HAVE MOVED INTO THE TERMINAL, THE HISTORIC TERMINAL. AND, UM, IN ADDITION TO THE PERFORMANCE, THAT'S LED TO ABOUT 11% INCREASE BY THE END OF THE FISCAL YEAR, GROUND TRANSPORTATION, ALSO SEEING, UH, SIZABLE INCREASE. AND THAT'S LARGELY DUE TO THE FEE INCREASE THAT WE SAW AT THE BEGINNING OF THE FISCAL YEAR. MOVING ON TO THE NON, UM, AIRLINE REVENUES, WE SEE, UH, AVIATION LAND RENTALS, UH, INCREASING ABOUT 3% BY THE END OF THE FISCAL YEAR. THAT'S THE TYPICAL RATE INCREASES WE SEE WITH FOR RENTS, UH, FUEL FLOWAGE FEE, SEEING A SIZEABLE INCREASE, EVEN THOUGH, UH, FUEL PRICES HAVE INCREASED, UH, THIS YEAR, WE HAVEN'T REALLY SEEN THE IMPACT ON DEMAND, UH, FOR FUEL AT THIS AIRPORT. AND SO THAT'S, UH, LEADING TO THESE, UM, NUMBERS HERE. AND THEN FOR NON-AVIATION LAND RENTALS, WE'RE SEEING A SIZABLE INCREASE AS OUR LEASING DIVISIONS HAS, UH, MADE THE MOST OF THE OPPORTUNITIES OF THE VACANT PROPERTIES THAT WE HAVE AND BEING ABLE TO SHORT TERM LEASE SOME OF THESE RENTALS. AND THAT'S LEADING TO ABOUT 11% DECLINE IN, UH, INCREASE IN REVENUES THIS YEAR COMPARED TO LAST YEAR. OVERALL, THE AIRPORT EXPECT TO GENERATE ABOUT 64, UH, POINT, UH, 64 AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS IN REVENUE, UH, COMPARABLE TO LAST YEAR. JUST ROUGHLY 2% INCREASE OVER, UH, MOVING DOWN, UM, DOWN TO OPERATING EXPENDITURES. WE SEE THAT SALARIES AND BENEFITS, UH, IS WHERE THE INCREASES ARE THIS YEAR, UH, WITH, UM, ABOUT 9% INCREASE IN, UH, EXPENDITURES FOR THE DIRECT, UH, WAGES THAT WE'RE PAYING HERE AT THE AIRPORT. THAT'S, UM, LARGELY TO THE RATE INCREASES WE'VE SEEN THIS PAST YEAR, UH, IN ADDITION TO FILLING VACANCIES. UM, AND SO THAT'S, UH, GONNA BE ABOUT AN 8% INCREASE, UH, BY THE END OF THIS FISCAL YEAR. UH, MOVING DOWN TO THE SERVICE AND SUPPLIES CATEGORY, UM, WE'RE EXPECTING ABOUT A 1% INCREASE, UM, BY THE END OF THE FISCAL YEAR. UH, THAT'S LARGELY TO THE, UH, REDUCTION, UM, EFFORTS THAT THE AIRPORT STAFF HAS TAKEN TO, UM, ADDRESS THE DECLINING PASSENGER ACTIVITY. AND SO A 1%, UM, INCREASE IN EXPENDITURES IN THIS CATEGORY IS FAR BELOW THE CPI, UM, THAT, UH, THE INDUSTRY IS SEEING. AND SO THAT'S A GREAT JOB ON THE AIRPORT STAFF ON, UM, CONTROLLING COSTS THERE. AND THEN CITY SERVICES SEEING ABOUT A 1% DECLINE IN, UM, COST THERE. OVERALL, THE AIRPORT EXPECTS TO HAVE ABOUT, UH, 52 AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS IN EXPENDITURE, UH, SLIGHTLY, UH, HIGHER THAN LAST YEAR, 2%. BUT THAT TRACKS WELL WITH THE OPERATING REVENUE INCREASES LEADING TO, UH, OPERATING RESULTS TO BE COMPARABLE TO LAST YEAR, ROUGHLY 12.2 MILLION BY THE END OF THE FISCAL YEAR. AND THAT CONCLUDES THIS PORTION. THANK YOU MONI. UH, OUR NEXT UPDATE IS, UH, JUSTIN COOK, OUR NOISE AND CAPACITY MANAGER MANAGEMENT OFFICER WITH THE JULY 26TH NOISE REPORT. THANK YOU, JUAN, UH, FOR YOUR FAVORITE REPORT OF ALL A NOISE REPORT. UM, WE'RE GONNA GO OVER THE AIR CARRIER LATE NIGHT ACTIVITY. UH, SO BETWEEN THE HOURS OF 10:00 PM AND 11:00 PM WE HAD A TOTAL OF, UH, 10 ARRIVALS OR 10 OPERATIONS, ACTUALLY IN JULY. UH, TWO FROM DELTA, ONE FROM ALASKA, SEVEN FROM SOUTHWEST AIRLINES. SO A LITTLE BIT, UH, AROUND, YOU KNOW, COMPARED TO LAST YEAR AT THIS TIME, DOWN 9%, UH, ROUGHLY JUST ONE DIFFERENCE ACTUALLY. UH, BETWEEN 11:00 PM AND 7:00 AM WE HAD, UH, TWO OPERATIONS THAT OCCURRED IN JULY. ONE FROM DELTA ISLAND, DELTA AIRLINES THAT RESULTED IN A VIOLATION AND ONE FROM SOUTHWEST AIRLINES. AND THAT'S JUST, THAT'S ACTUALLY UP ONE FROM THE PREVIOUS YEAR AT THIS TIME. GOING TO THE NEXT PAGE AND TALKING ABOUT NOISE VIOLATIONS, YOU'LL SEE THAT WE HAD THAT ONE DELTA LATE NIGHT, UH, VIOLATION. WE HAD SEVEN GENERAL AVIATION VIOLATIONS THAT RESULTED IN $639 IN SURCHARGES. UH, CALENDAR YEAR TO DATE FOR [01:25:01] AIR SURCHARGES ARE $4,970. UH, OPERATION TOTALS YOU'LL SEE DOWN BELOW. UM, YOU'LL SEE THE PERCENT CHANGES. UH, OVERALL, THEY'RE, THEY'RE IN THE NEGATIVE, UM, RANGING, YOU KNOW, AIR CARRIERS DOWN, UH, ABOUT 19% GENERAL AVIATION, ABOUT 15%, UH, AND MILITARY EVEN ABOUT ROUGHLY 2%. ON PAGE FIVE, YOU'LL SEE THE LIST OF NOISE VIOLATORS. UM, YOU KNOW, WE REG, WE PUT THE, THE OWNER INFORMATION, THE REGISTRATION NUMBER, UH, AND YOU'LL SEE THE VIOLATION TYPE. THESE WERE ALL ACOUSTICAL VIOLATIONS. SO YOU'LL SEE THE NOISE LIMIT, UH, AND THEN THE ACTUAL SNEL VALUE THAT THEY REGISTERED AT THE NOISE MONITOR, EITHER SITES, UH, NINE AND 10 IN THIS CASE. ON THE NEXT PAGE, UH, DOING A GA ANALYSIS FOR RUNWAYS, TWO SIX, RIGHT AND TWO SIX LEFT. YOU'LL SEE THAT IN JULY, WE, WE ROUGHLY HAD ABOUT THE SAME PERCENTAGE, SPLIT PERCENTAGE AS WE DID IN JUNE. IT'S ABOUT A 60 40, UH, SPLIT. UM, AND THAT YOU COULD SEE THE TRENDS, UH, FOR THE PAST COUPLE YEARS. ON THE NEXT PAGE, YOU'LL SEE OUR NOISE MONITORING DATA, UM, WITH OUR 18 NOISE MONITORS FOR THE PAST YEAR. UH, REALLY WHAT WE'RE LOOKING HERE IN TERMS OF THIS IS, IS NOT JUST THE LEVEL, BUT ALSO THE CONSISTENCY BETWEEN THIS. SOMETIMES THAT INDICATES THAT MAYBE THERE'S SOMETHING GOING ON IN THE, THE AMBIENT ENVIRONMENT, UH, THAT WE WANT TO DRILL DOWN AND LOOK AT MORE CLOSELY. UH, THAT COULD BE LIKE CONSTRUCTION, FOR EXAMPLE. UM, AND THEN OUR SYSTEM ALLOWS US TO, TO GO IN FURTHER AND, UM, VERIFY THOSE, THOSE INSTANCES. ON THE LAST PAGE, YOU'LL SEE OUR NOISE CONCERNS. UH, FOR THE MONTH OF JULY, WE HAD A LITTLE OVER 20,000, 20,008, UH, ROUGHLY ALMOST THE SAME AS JUNE. UM, AND A LITTLE BIT DOWN FROM MAY AT 22,000. UM, BELOW THE, THAT ACCOUNTS FOR ABOUT 124 HOUSEHOLDS RANGING FROM, UH, LA AREA TO REDONDO BEACH, ALL THE WAY DOWN TO HUNTINGTON BEACH WITH THE MAJORITY ON 9 9 0 8 0 7 79 HOUSEHOLDS, 16,211. UH, COMPLAINTS. AND THAT CONCLUDES THE JULY NOISE REPORT. THANK YOU, JUAN. ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU JUSTIN. AND OUR LAST UPDATE IS OUR PUBLIC AFFAIRS UPDATE WITH DEREK LEE, OUR PUBLIC AFFAIRS OFFICER. UH, GOOD EVENING. I'M DEREK LEE, THE PUBLIC AFFAIRS OFFICER AT LONG BEACH AIRPORT, UH, IN THE REALM OF ADVERTISING AND MARKETING. LONG BEACH AIRPORT CONTINUES TO MARKET ITSELF, AS WE RECENTLY UNVEILED OUR COLLABORATIVE DISPLAY IN THE NORTH CONCOURSE, UH, FEATURING THAT ARTWORK THAT THE DIRECTOR MENTIONED HIGHLIGHTING THE LONG BEACH COAST. IN THEIR INAUGURAL SEASON, WE HAD A POSTER CONTEST DEVELOPED IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE BASEBALL CLUB, AND THAT ARTWORK SITS AT GATE SEVEN. UH, THE ADULT WINNER WAS ARTIST STEPHANIE FARRA, AND YOUTH WINNER WAS REBECCA FAYE. AND SO WE CREATED PROMOTIONAL STICKERS AS WELL TO CELEBRATE THE LAUNCH OF OUR NEW NONSTOP SERVICE TO SEATTLE AND PORTLAND, PROVIDING A FUN AND VISIBLE WAY TO GENERATE EXCITEMENT AROUND THESE NEW ROUTES AND ENCOURAGE TRAVELERS TO CHOOSE LONG BEACH AIRPORT FOR THE NEXT TRIP. UH, IN COMMUNITY OUTREACH IN JULY AND AUGUST, UH, THE AIRPORT WELCOMED EIGHT TOUR GROUPS, TOTALING 107 VISITORS, INCLUDING STUDENTS, INTERNS, CITY EMPLOYEES, AND COMMUNITY ORGANIZATIONS. WE ALSO CONTINUED SUPPORTING OUR COMMUNITY THROUGH SPONSORSHIPS WITH THE LONG BEACH COAST BASEBALL TEAM, AS WELL AS, UH, TABLING AT SUMMER CONCERTS IN THE PARK AND THE PAC TWO SCHOOL EVENT AT SHERA PARK. AND THE AIRPORT RECENTLY CELEBRATED THE GRADUATION AND SECOND COHORT OF THE CAREERS TAKING FLIGHT EXTERNSHIP PROGRAM, UH, IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE LONG BEACH UNIFIED SCHOOL DISTRICT, THE 40 HOUR WEEK LONG PROGRAM CONNECTED STUDENTS FROM CAB AND JORDAN HIGH SCHOOLS WITH AVIATION AND AEROSPACE PROFESSIONALS, PROVIDING VALUABLE INSIGHT AND CAREER OPPORTUNITIES, AND WE'RE GRATEFUL TO OUR BUSINESS PARTNERS FOR SHARING THEIR TIME AND EXPERTISE. I'M PROUD TO REPORT THAT 82 STUDENTS HAVE COMPLETED THE PROGRAM SINCE ITS INCEPTION IN 2023, IN THE REALM OF, UH, CUSTOMER EXPERIENCE. AS PART OF OUR ONGOING EFFORT TO ENHANCE LONG BEACH AIRPORT, RECENTLY CELEBRATED SOUTHWEST AIRLINES INAUGURAL NONSTOP SERVICES, SEATTLE AND PORTLAND, WITH LIVE MUSIC GIVEAWAYS AND REFRESHMENTS. AND THE AIRPORT ALSO INSTALLED SOME, PLEASE DO NOT FEED THE BIRD SIGNS, BECAUSE IF YOU'VE BEEN THROUGH LONG BEACH AIRPORT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT SOME LITTLE AVIATORS THAT MAKE IT AN INTERESTING TIME THERE. BUT WE WANTED TO REMIND FOLKS THAT WILDLIFE FEEDING WILDLIFE CAN CREATE SAFETY CHALLENGES FOR BOTH ANIMALS AND AIRCRAFT. SO THAT SIGN THAT SUPPORTS OUR CONTINUING EFFORTS TO MAINTAIN A SAFE ENVIRONMENT AROUND THE TERMINALS AND THE ACTIVE AIRFIELD AREAS. IN JULY AND AUGUST, WE RECORDED 296 EARNED MEDIA PLACEMENTS DRIVEN BY SEVERAL TIMELY TOPICS, INCLUDING CONSTRUCTION, SUCH AS THE TAX BAY FOXTROT, UH, RENOVATION, UH, AS WELL AS OUR FITCH RATINGS POSITIVE OUTLOOK UPGRADE. [01:30:01] UH, AND THEN SUMMER TRAVEL FEATURES, HIGHLIGHTING THE AIRPORT'S CONVENIENCE AND EASE OF TRAVEL, INCLUDING THOSE NONSTOP ROUTES THAT I MENTIONED EARLIER. UH, AND FINALLY, WITHIN SOCIAL MEDIA, DURING JULY AND AUGUST, THE AIRPORT SHARED A VARIETY OF STORIES ACROSS OUR COMMUNICATION CHANNELS, INCLUDING PROMOTING THAT GAME NIGHT PARTNERSHIP WITH THE COAST, UH, AND HIGHLIGHT UNIQUE AIRCRAFT DELIVERIES THAT ARE VISITING, UH, THE AIRPORT, AS WELL AS CELEBRATING THOSE NONSTOP ROUTES WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER, A FEW STATS, UH, THAT POINT TO OUR SOCIAL MEDIA, UH, PROGRESS ON THREADS. WE'RE STILL, UH, PRETTY SLOW. WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF FOLKS JOINING US, UH, IN JULY, BUT IN AUGUST, WE EARNED ABOUT ANOTHER 188 PEOPLE ON THREADS. SO WE'RE GROWING SLOWLY IN THAT REGARD. FACEBOOK STILL REMAINS OUR LARGEST USED PLATFORM, UH, ONLY FOUR NEW FOLLOWERS IN JULY, BUT ANOTHER 30 IN AUGUST, BRINGING US TO ABOUT 30,908 FOLLOWERS AT THE YEAR REPORTS FACEBOOK, PAGE X SLASH TWITTER WAS DOWN, UH, SEVEN IN JULY AND DOWN ANOTHER 18 IN AUGUST. UH, BUT IF YOU ARE ON TWITTER, YOU KNOW THAT, THAT'S NO SURPRISE. UH, AND INSTAGRAM WAS UP 91 IN, UH, JULY AND 206 IN AUGUST, BRINGING OUR INSTAGRAM TOTAL TO EIGHT THOU 18,000, UH, AND 36 FOLLOWERS. THIS CONCLUDES THE PUBLIC AFFAIRS REPORT, PENDING YOUR QUESTIONS. THANK YOU, DEREK. UH, CHAIR CHRISTOFFEL. THAT CONCLUDES THE STAFF REPORTS. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSIONERS ON THE INFORMATION PROVIDED THIS EVENING? COMMISSIONER ARI? YES. UM, THIS IS FOR MONI. I, WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE, YOU KNOW, HOW WE HAVE THE COMMERCIAL FLIGHT ACTIVITY REPORT, VERY DETAILED REPORT. WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO HAVE A GENERAL AVIATION ACTIVITY REPORT? UH, WE OBVIOUSLY WOULDN'T HAVE A LOT OF THE INFORMATION, UH, YOU KNOW, LIKE IN PLACEMENTS, ET CETERA, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, BY PROVIDER, A LIST BY PROVIDER, AND THEN, UH, NUMBER OF LANDINGS, IS THAT POSSIBLE? UM, YEAH. SO, UH, IN THE NOISE REPORT, THERE ARE SOME, UH, ACTIVITIES THAT ARE REPORTED, UH, RELATED TO GENERAL AVIATION TALKING ABOUT THE, RIGHT, YEAH, THERE'S THE NUMBER OF PLANNINGS MM-HMM . AND SO , JUST, I KNEW THIS WAS GONNA COME BACK TO ME. YOU ALWAYS COME TO ME. I WAS, SORRY. UH, BEFORE THE MEETING, AFTER THE MEETING , UM, DID YOU, DO YOU WANT MORE OF, ARE YOU LOOKING FOR MORE LIKE A HISTORICAL TIMELINE OF TOTAL OPERATIONS OR BROKEN DOWN BY ARRIVALS, DEPARTURES, ET CETERA, OR, YES. AND THEN, AND THE NAMES OF THE COMPANIES, LIKE OH, THAT, I MEAN, HOW MANY PAGES DO OH, OKAY. DO YOU WANT, YEAH, REALLY, I MEAN, UM, THE, THE, THE CHALLENGING PORTION OF GA ACTIVITY AS EVERYONE IN THE COMMUNITY IS WELL AWARE, IS THAT THE OWNER INFORMATION ONE, UM, IT, UH, THERE'S MANY LLCS THAT THEY, THAT ARE FORMULATED FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS FOR, FOR THAT OWNERSHIP. SO YOU MAY HAVE, FOR EXAMPLE, ONE FLIGHT SCHOOL THAT HAS 20 LLCS. UM, AND SO IT BECOMES REALLY HARD TO, UH, TRY TO MANAGE THAT IN TERMS OF THAT. YEAH. COULD, COULD YOU MAKE LARGER CATEGORIES, YOU KNOW, OF LIKE THE FLIGHT SCHOOL? JUST THE FLIGHT SCHOOL? OKAY. I, I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. UM, IT, IT, IT'S, UH, POSSIBLE. IT, IT'S POSSIBLE. SO THERE, THERE'S CERTAIN, OBVIOUSLY WE KNOW WITH OUR BASED AIRCRAFT, WE KNOW, AND WE COULD DEFINE THOSE. UM, AND THEN THERE POTENTIALLY COULD BE ANOTHER BUCKET OF OUTSIDE FOLKS. I MEAN, I WOULD SAY, LET ME THINK ABOUT IT, RIGHT? AND LET ME, UM, OF COURSE, INVESTIGATE. I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO GET AT. SO LET ME, OKAY. LET ME GO BACK TO THE OFFICE AND TRY TO FIGURE OUT, NOT TONIGHT, . WELL, THANK YOU FOR THE, THANK YOU FOR THE, WELL, FOR THE INFORMATION AND THE CONVERSATION, WE'LL TAKE THAT BACK AND WORK. I, I, WE'LL WORK WITH THE TEAM TO SEE WHAT IS, WHAT IS POSSIBLE, AND, UH, BUT YOU GUYS GOT EVERYTHING YOU NEED. WE DO. YEAH. WE'LL TAKE THAT BACK. COMMISSIONER THOMAS. I WAS, THE PURPOSE OF THAT WOULD BE WHAT, WHAT WOULD YOU BE LOOKING FOR? JUST TO, TO GET A DEEPER LOOK AT THE ACTIVITY. THE, LIKE, THE ACTUAL LANDING OR TOUCH AND GO OR IT, THERE'S AN AWFUL LOT. OKAY. YEAH. YEAH. AND MAYBE IT'S JUST NOT, NOT DOABLE. I DON'T KNOW. WELL, IT SOUNDS LIKE STAFF WILL TAKE A LOOK AT IT. YEAH. MR. GUT, JUSTIN, UH, WELL FIRST ABOUT THE, THE BUDGET, THE FACT THAT WE ARE 7% DOWN IN, IN EMPLOYMENTS, BUT THE, UH, BUDGET WHERE 2% UP IS, UH, UH, KUDOS TO THE STAFF FOR ADJUSTING AND, UM, ANTICIPATING THAT, UM, JUST WHERE ARE, UH, IF YOU [01:35:01] KNOW OFFHAND THE RMTS NINE AND 10, THE TERMINAL'S NINE AND 10. YEAH. THEY'RE OFF THE DEPART. WELL, ONE'S ON THE ARRIVAL, AND THEY'RE BOTH OFF THE END OF RUNWAY 12 3 0. OKAY. ESSENTIALLY THEY'RE THERE, THEY'RE THE ENFORCEMENT SITES PER THE ORDINANCE. OKAY. WHEN I LOOK AT, UH MM-HMM . JUNE AND JULY, THE NOISE VIOLATORS, I'M LOOKING AT THE SURE. UM, ACOUSTICAL ONES. DO WE KNOW WHY, WHEN I LOOK AT, UH, THIS IS JUNE 10, OUT OF THE 11 HAPPENED BETWEEN THE HOURS OF ESSENTIALLY 10:00 PM AND 6:00 PM OR 5:00 PM UH, JULY, SEVEN OUT OF THE EIGHT WERE BETWEEN OH, 11:00 PM AND 5:00 AM IS IT ENVIRONMENTAL? IS IT, I KNOW FOG AND, AND DENSE FOG HELPS SOUND CARRY, DO WE KNOW WHY IT'S HAPPENING BETWEEN THE, THE SLEEP TIME HOURS, ? YEAH. UM, YES. UH, WELL, THE REASON WHY THEY'RE GETTING A VIOLATION, 'CAUSE THE NOISE LIMIT THERE AT THAT TIME IS THE MOST RESTRICTIVE AT 79, AND MOST AIRCRAFT CAN'T GET UNDER THAT LIMIT. RIGHT. AND THAT'S THE ORDINANCE TRYING TO, UH, I GUESS PROTECT THE COMMUNITY FROM, FROM NOISE. RIGHT? AND SO, UM, IF YOU FLY AT THAT TIME, YOU'RE MOST LIKELY TO VIOLATE THE NOISE ORDINANCE. GOT IT. OKAY. AND THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE, THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SAYING THERE. OKAY. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? GO AHEAD, COMMISSIONER BECK. YEAH. JUST LOOKING AT THIS, HOUSEHOLDS AND CONCERNS BY ZIP CODE, IS THAT NUMBER A RAW NUMBER OR IS IT SCRUBBED THE 20,008? IS THAT ALL THE COMPLAINTS FOR ALL THE COMPLAINTS, OR ARE THEY THE ONES THAT YOU ANALYZE FOR DUPLICATES AND ALL THE OTHER THINGS THAT GO INTO IT? THAT IS THROUGH EVERY MEANS THAT, UH, COMPLAINT COMES IN. SO THAT COULD BE, UH, THAT'S PHONE, WEB FORM, THE, THE BUTTON, UH, LITERALLY EVERYTHING COUNTED AS ONE. YEAH. AND, OKAY, SO IT'S PRE SCRUBBING AND PRE NOISE VIOLATION, YOU KNOW, CALCULATIONS AND ALL THAT OTHER STUFF YOU GO THROUGH. UH, CAN YOU, CAN YOU CLARIFY WHAT, WHAT YOU MEAN BY SCRUBBING ON? SO IF YOU HAVE A DUPLICATE MM-HMM . FROM, UH, A HOUSEHOLD OR TWO DIFFERENT HOUSEHOLDS, DOES THAT COUNT TO THIS AS TWO? OR IS IT COUNTING AS ONE? OH, SO IF YOU, FOR EXAMPLE, YOU HAVE THE, THE SAME LIKE TWO PEOPLE IN ONE HOUSEHOLD CLICKING, RIGHT? SO A PLANE'S FLYING OVER. OKAY. UHHUH A HOUSE ON WARDLOW HITS A BUTTON OR CALLS IT IN AND A HOUSE IF THE ACCOUNT IS SET DIFFERENTLY, UH, THIS IS JUST MY, I'M JUST TAKING A GUESS HERE, BUT I COULD CONFIRM IF THE COUNT IS SET SEPARATELY IN YOUR APP, FOR EXAMPLE, IT WOULD COUNT IT SEPARATELY. OKAY. SO THE AIRPORT WHEN YOU RECEIVED THAT? YES. HOW IS THAT CALCULATED? SO YOU'RE GETTING ALL THIS DATA, UHHUH, , OKAY. YEAH. SOME OF IT COULD BE DUPLICATE BECAUSE THE PLANE'S FLYING FROM POINT A TO POINT B, RIGHT. AND EVERYBODY'S HITTING THE BUTTON OR CALLING IT IN. ARE YOU COUNTING THAT AS FIVE SEPARATE INCIDENTS, OR IS IT ONE INCIDENT? FIVE SEPARATE. OKAY. FIVE COMPLAINTS, FIVE COMPLAINTS, CORRECT. YEAH. ONE, IT, IT COULD BE ONE AIRCRAFT COMPLAINT, FIVE INDIVIDUALS OR ONE HOUSEHOLD. YEP. YEP. RIGHT. BUT THEY'RE SEPARATE. AND WHEN YOU DO THE ANALYSIS ON NOISE IMPACT, ARE ALL OF THOSE INSTANCES TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION, OR DO YOU SCRUB 'EM TO MAKE ONE INSTANT? W WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT GENERAL CONCERNS AND, AND TRYING TO ADDRESS THE COMMUNITY CONCERNS, YEAH, WE'RE LOOKING BY INSTANCE. OKAY. I MEAN, WE COULD SEE TREND. UH, OBVIOUSLY THERE'S TRENDS IN THOSE, RIGHT? UM, GENERALLY SPEAKING, UM, I KNOW PEOPLE, FOR EXAMPLE, PREFER, UM, THE BUTTON. UM, BUT THE BUTTON HAS, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE'S ALSO SOME CHALLENGES TO THE BUTTON, RIGHT? MM-HMM . UM, AND WHAT I'LL SAY BY THAT IS THE BUTTON TAKES THE NEAREST AIRCRAFT TO YOU, AND IT ASSOCIATES THAT AS YOUR COMPLAINT, RIGHT? UM, WHEN YOU PUSH THE BUTTON IS, UM, REALLY IMPORTANT BECAUSE, UH, WITH THE NUMBER OF G GA OPERATIONS, RIGHT, IT COULD ACTUALLY END UP ASSIGNING IT TO AN AIRCRAFT THAT YOU WEREN'T INTENDING IT TO BE, UH, ASSIGNED TO. NOW, THAT'S NOT A BAD THING. I MEAN, IT, IT, YOU'RE, WE'RE STILL RECEIVING THAT AS [01:40:01] A CONCERN. I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT SOMETIMES THE BUTTON TECHNOLOGY, UM, IS, IS NOT THAT PRECISE. YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT THAT PRECISE, RIGHT? IT, IF YOU, FOR EXAMPLE, WAIT TWO OR THREE SECONDS TO PUSH THAT BUTTON, I MEAN, WHO KNOWS? IT COULD CORRELATE TO A DIFFERENT AIRCRAFT POTENTIALLY. SO, BUT WE ARE LOOKING AT THOSE INDIVIDUALLY, SO EVERY, EVERY PRESS OF THE BUTTON GETS LOOKED AT. AND SO IF THERE'S A VIOLATION FOR THAT ONE FLIGHT OVER MULT HIDDEN BY MULTI MULTIPLE BUTTONS, IS THAT GONNA BE MULTIPLE VIOLATIONS FOR THAT PLANE? NO. OR IS IT ONE VIOLATION? NO, NO, NO. IT'S, IT'S ONE VIOLATION FOR THAT, THAT INSTANCE. SO SAY WE BRING UP AN OPERATION THAT, UH, RESULTED IN A VIOLATION IN OUR SYSTEM AND WE PULL IT UP ON THE SCREEN, IT WILL ACTUALLY SHOW EVERY COMPLAINT FOR THAT OPERATION IN LIKE A YELLOW LIKE DOT. SO IT, IT CORRELATES ALL THOSE COMPLAINT INDIVIDUAL COMPLAINTS TO THAT OPERATION, BUT IN THE END, IT RESULTS IN ONE VIOLATION. OKAY. I THINK MAYBE TO ADD TO THAT, INDEPENDENT OF THE COMMUNITY, UH, INPUT, UH, IF THERE WAS NONE OF THAT, YOU WOULD STILL BE ABLE TO DETECT AND PURSUE A NOISE VIOLATION INDEPENDENT OF, OF ANY COMPLAINT, CORRECT? CORRECT. YEAH, I THINK THEY MAKE THAT CLEAR. SO WE'RE NOT FULLY DEPENDENT ON INDIVIDUALS REPORTING THE NOISE EVENT. YOU'RE ABLE TO DETERMINE THAT INDEPENDENTLY OF WHATEVER THE COMMUNITY MIGHT GIVE TO YOU? THAT'S CORRECT. THE, THAT'S CORRECT. THE, THE COMMUNITY CONCERNS ARE, UM, OBVIOUSLY THEY'RE THERE, THERE'S MANY REASONS WHY PEOPLE COMPLAIN. ANNOYANCE BEING THE, THE BIGGEST FACTOR, UM, THEY'RE THERE FOR US, FOR US, THE MOST VALUABLE ARE, UH, INSTANCES WHERE WE CAN DRILL DOWN AND, AND SEE IF THERE'S, THERE'S SOMETHING GOING ON, RIGHT? OPERATIONALLY WE'RE GOING TO, WE'RE GOING TO, UM, LOOK AT VIOLATIONS IN, REGARDLESS OF THE NUMBER OF COMPLAINTS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. COMPLAINTS AND VIOLATIONS ACTUALLY ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS IN OUR WORLD, BECAUSE EVEN IF THERE WERE NO COMPLAINTS IN OPERATION, WE'RE STILL GONNA VIOLATE THEM IF THEY VIOLATE THE OR ORDINANCE. SO HOPEFULLY THAT HELPS A LITTLE. NO, THAT I WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. SEEING NO OTHERS, UH, ANY COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC ON THE REPORT PROVIDED? COME ON FORWARD. STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE. I PROMISE NOT TO MAKE THIS LONG. I HAVE A QUESTION, AND I DON'T KNOW IF I SHOULD ASK THE COMMITTEE OR IF I SHOULD ASK THE STAFF. SORRY, TARA CUMINS. THANK YOU. OKAY, GO AHEAD AND ASK THE QUESTION. SO, UM, EARLIER WHEN HE, JUSTIN WAS ANSWERING QUESTIONS ABOUT THE NOISE ORDINANCE, AND SOMEONE ASKED ABOUT, UH, NOISE MONITORS NINE AND 10, AND JUSTIN CHARACTERIZED THEM AS THE, UH, NOISE MONITORS THAT, UH, ARE THE ENFORCEMENT SITES FOR THE NOISE ORDINANCE. MM-HMM. MY QUESTION IS, THAT MEANS NONE OF THE OTHER NOISE MONITORS ARE ENFORCEMENT SITES FOR THE NOISE ORDINANCE. YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND ANSWER THE QUESTION. OKAY. , THANK YOU, JIM. THANK YOU, JUSTIN. YEAH, NO PROBLEM. NO, THAT, THAT'S NOT WHAT I MEANT. OKAY. YEAH. UH, SITES 1, 2, 5, AND SIX ARE ALSO ENFORCEMENT SITES, SO THOSE ARE OFF THE END OF THE PARALLELS AS WELL. SO THOSE ARE TIED TO MAXIMUM NOISE LIMIT, UH, THINGS. AND THEN REGARDLESS OF ANY, UH, ALL OF OUR RUNWAYS HAVE OP OBVIOUSLY THE OPERATIONAL VIOLATION TYPE THINGS, UHHUH, THAT WE LOOK AT. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION. OH, YOU'RE WELCOME. ANOTHER QUESTION, UM, THE BUTTON, AIR NOISE. UH, MOST RECENTLY THERE WAS A NEW ANNOUNCEMENT ABOUT HOW TO COMPLAIN, UH, TO, TO, AND, AND, AND I'M, I'M WONDERING IF, IF THE AIR NOISE BUTTON HAS BEEN IMPACTED BY THAT NEW PROCESS, CAN YOU, SO WHY DON'T YOU, FOR THE BENEFIT EVEN THERE, WHAT IS THE BUTTON AND, YOU KNOW, HOW WAS IT OKAY. CURRENT FUNCTIONING? I, I WOULD LIKE TO FOLLOW. I THINK THAT'S A FOLLOW UP WITH THAT. YEAH. UM, WELL, I MEAN, , THEY, THEY'RE THE BEST PEOPLE TO EXPLAIN THE BUTTON. EXPLAIN, BUT, UH, UM, SURE. THE BUTTON IS A THIRD PARTY VENDOR, UH, THAT CREATED A BUTTON THAT, UH, KIND OF LIKE A, IT WAS INITIALLY LIKE THE AMAZON BUTTON WHERE YOU COULD CLICK AND YOU JUST ORDER STUFF AND IT SHOWS UP AT YOUR , YOUR DOORSTEP. UH, HE TIED THAT, HE PROGRAMMED THAT TO ALLOW FOR, UM, COMMUNITY MEMBERS TO, TO COMPLAIN THROUGH THAT BUTTON. SO THAT BUTTON, UH, COMMUNICATES WITH AN EXISTING WEB FORM THAT, THAT GENERALLY AIRPORTS HAVE TO, TO ISSUE COMPLAINTS, AND IT KIND OF FILLS IN THAT AUTOMATICALLY AND THEN SUBMITS [01:45:01] IT. OKAY. UM, MOST RECENTLY, PROBABLY WITHIN THE PAST, I THINK SIX MONTHS FROM WHEN I STARTED, SO THAT WAS ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF AGO, UM, WE MADE A CHANGE, UH, AN IMPROVEMENT TO WHERE IN WORKING WITH A BUTTON VENDOR, WE NOW HAVE AN API DIRECT, WHICH IS A, IT'S A BASICALLY AN APP APPLICATION INTERFACE WHERE HE, THE, THE VENDOR DOESN'T HAVE TO INPUT, LIKE, WORK WITH THE WEB FORM. IT GOES STRAIGHT INTO OUR SYSTEM. AND WHY THAT'S IMPORTANT IS BECAUSE IF SOMETHING HAPPENS ON THE WEB FORM, IF IT'S DOWN OR, OR LIKE OUR VENDOR CHANGES ONE FIELD OR SOMETHING, UM, IT, IT KIND OF MAKES IT WONKY. SO WE HAVE A DIRECT INTERFACE WITH THE BUTTON. SO, UM, IT ALLOWS FOLKS TO, TO PUSH THAT BUTTON AND CORRELATES TO THE NEAREST FLIGHT AND, AND THEN IT'S SUBMITTED INTO OUR, DIRECTLY INTO OUR SYSTEM. OKAY. SO FOR YOUR, FOR YOUR QUESTION, CAN YOU CLARIFY WHAT YOU MEAN BY LIKE, THE CHANGE? THE CHANGE, THERE WAS RECENTLY AN ANNOUNCEMENT THAT, THAT, THAT THE NOISE OFFICE WAS CHANGING THE WAY THAT THAT NOISE WERE COMPLAINTS COULD BE ISSUED. OKAY. I'M NOT SURE WHERE THAT COMPLETELY COMES FROM, BUT MAYBE, MAYBE YOU TWO COULD TALK AFTERWARDS ABOUT THAT SPECIFIC ADAM. OKAY. MAYBE. FAIR ENOUGH. OKAY. YEAH. ONE MORE QUESTION OR ONE MORE, ONE MORE. UM, OH, STATEMENT. I SWEAR THIS IS JUST A STATEMENT. , UM, SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF SANER, WOULD LIKE TO THANK THE COMMITTEE FOR THE ROBUST CONVERSATION AND ALSO, UM, SAY THAT WE WOULD SUPPORT THE FORMATION OF A SUBCOMMITTEE MM-HMM . AND, UH, OF COURSE ASK FOR COMMUNITY INPUT INTO THAT SUBCOMMITTEE OR PARTICIPATION IN ANY WAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD. STUART GALLOWAY. AGAIN, , I HAVEN'T HEARD THIS MENTION. WELL, I ACTUALLY, I HEARD IT MENTIONED ONCE TONIGHT ABOUT THE LEAD THAT IS FALLING ON ALL OF US FROM THE FUEL. I UNDERSTAND, AND WE ALL UNDERSTAND THAT, UH, THE FAA HAS SET A 2030 DATE FOR THE CESSATION OF USE OF LEAD FUEL, WHETHER OR NOT UNDER THE CURRENT ADMINISTRATION THAT EVER TAKES PLACE IS SUBJECT TO ANOTHER DIFFERENT, UH, PROBABLY NOVEMBER. BUT I, I WANT TO ASK THE COMMISSION, UM, IS WHAT STEPS HAVE YOU THOUGHT ABOUT OR DISCUSSED TO FOLLOW UP ON THE LEAD IMPACT ON THE COMMUNITY? THOSE PLANES FLY RIGHT OVER LONGFELLOW AND HUGHES. MM-HMM . UH, THEY HAVE TO CLOSE WINDOWS DURING THE DAY WHEN THE PLANES FLY OVER BECAUSE THEY CANNOT, UM, HEAR THE LESSONS BEING TAUGHT BY THE NOISE OF THE AIRCRAFT. AND I KNOW NOISE IS A SEPARATE OBJECT, A SEPARATE SUBJECT AS WELL, BUT THAT ALSO MEANS THAT THE LEAD IS FALLING ON THE ROOF. THAT LITTLE GRAY DUST THAT YOU GET ON ALL YOUR WINDOWSILLS, PARTICULARLY IF YOU LIVE IN 9 0 8, 0 7, LIKE MYSELF, MY HAIR IS NORMALLY WHITE, BUT IT GETS GRAY SOMETIMES DURING THE DAY. . UM, AND I WANT TO KNOW IF, AS A COMMISSION YOU HAVE ACTUALLY THOUGHT ABOUT THE HEALTH ASPECT OF IT. AND WE HAVE OUR OWN HEALTH DEPARTMENT IN THE CITY THAT HAS APPARENTLY NEVER DONE ANYTHING TO ADDRESS THE EXISTENCE OF THE AIRPORT AND THE LEAD FUEL. AND ALTHOUGH WE CALL OURSELVES THE COOLEST AIRPORT IN THE COUNTRY, WE ARE ALSO ONE OF THE DIRTIEST AIRPORTS IN THE COUNTRY BECAUSE OF ALL THESE LITTLE FLYING WHEELBARROWS THAT THEY CALL GENERAL AVIATION. SO I'D LIKE TO ASK THE COMMISSION TO ADDRESS THAT PARTICULAR ASPECT AND THE HEALTH ASPECT FOR ALL OF US. UM, THE LADY BEFORE MENTIONED EMOTIONALLY AND QUITE RIGHTLY, UH, HOW THE NOISE AFFECTS THE MENTAL CAPACITIES OF CHILDREN, BUT ALL OF US, IT'S A'S A RECORDED DETRIMENT TO US, TO ALL OF US, AND INCLUDING ALL THE COMMISSIONERS, ESPECIALLY THOSE OF YOU THAT LIVE WITHIN, UM, YOU KNOW, THE AIRPORT'S AMBIENT AREA. MM-HMM . UM, SO I'D LIKE TO ASK, WHAT HAVE YOU DONE? DO YOU INTEND TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT THE LEAD? I KNOW YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT THE TIMING OF IT, BUT WE CAN AT LEAST INVESTIGATE IT AND FIND OUT IF IN FACT, CHILDREN, I, I DON'T HAVE ANY CHILDREN THAT I'M AWARE OF, BUT THERE ARE YOUNG CHILDREN IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD AND I WANT TO KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENING TO THEM. OKAY. I'LL NEED YOU TO WRAP UP. SO, HMM. I NEED YOU TO WRAP UP. NO. SO THAT'S ABOUT IT. OKAY. THANK YOU. FOR THE RECORD FOR OUR MINUTES, [01:50:01] A NOTE THAT THE COMMENT WAS NOT RELATED TO THE AGENDA ITEM, WE'LL CONSIDER THAT COMMENT AS WHICH WE ACTUALLY HAVE ON THE AGENDA LATER COMMENTS NOT RELATED TO AN AGENDA ITEM ON. SO PLEASE NOTE THAT IN THE MINUTES. THANK YOU. UM, ANYTHING ELSE RELATED TO THE AGENDA ITEM? ? OKAY, WITH THAT, I'LL BRING IT BACK. UM, SEEING NOTHING ELSE, CAN WE HAVE A ROLL CALL ON THIS, PLEASE? TO RECEIVE AND FILE COMMISSIONER ZARN? YES. AND I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR CALLING ME FIRST BECAUSE WITH THE NAME ZARN, I USUALLY LAST COMMISSIONER THOMAS. YES. COMMISSIONER MOSQUERA. YES. COMMISSIONER LARSON. YES. COMMISSIONER BROWN. YES. COMMISSIONER ARIA? YES. AND I MISS BEING FIRST NOTED. VICE CHAIR GALES. YES. CHAIR CHRISTOPH? YES. MOTION IS CARRIED. OKAY. CAN YOU READ [5. 26-56060 Recommendation to review and update Commissioner assignments to City Councilmembers for the purpose of providing briefings to Councilmembers regarding activities of the Airport Advisory Commission.       Suggested Action: Approve recommendation. ] THE NEXT AGENDA? I AM INTO THE RECORD, PLEASE. ITEM NUMBER FIVE, RECOMMENDATION TO REVIEW AND UPDATE COMMISSIONER ASSIGNMENTS TO CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS FOR THE PURPOSE OF PROVIDING BRIEFINGS TO COUNCIL MEMBERS REGARDING ACTIVITIES OF THE AIRPORT ADVISORY COMMISSION. I'LL NEED SOMEBODY TO MOVE THE RECOMMENDATIONS SO WE CAN DISCUSS THIS ITEM. SO MOVED. SECOND. SECOND. OKAY. WE HAVE OUR FIRST AND A SECOND. SO WHAT WE HAVE BEFORE US IS A, UH, COMMISSIONER, COUNCIL DISTRICT ASSIGNMENTS, UM, PERIODICALLY WE UPDATED, UH, WE'VE HAD A FEW COMMISSIONERS WHO HAVE LEFT OUR COMMISSION AND WE HAVE A NEW ONE ON BOARD. SO SPECIFICALLY DISTRICT THREE IS NOW AVAILABLE. AND DISTRICT NINE, UH, LET ME OPEN IT UP TO OUR NEWEST COMMISSIONER. WOULD YOU LIKE TO BE ASSIGNED TO EITHER OF THOSE AT THIS POINT? SURE. ANY FOR PREFERENCE? DISTRICT, DISTRICT THREE OR DISTRICT NINE, YOU KNOW, KICKING OFF. ALL RIGHT. DISTRICT THREE. YOU GOT IT. . UH, IT ALSO GIVES THE OPPORTUNITY IF ANY OF OUR CURRENT ONES WOULD LIKE TO TRADE OR SWAP WITH ONE ANOTHER. IS THERE ANY INTEREST IN DOING SO? SEEING NONE, UH, WE'LL LEAVE THAT AND WE'LL LEAVE THE OTHER ONE AVAILABLE UNTIL WE FILL OUR FINAL COMMISSIONER STANDPOINT. SO, UM, ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM? , SEEING NONE. THERE'S A COMMISSIONER. COMMENT. OKAY, COMMISSIONER, UM, HOW CAN WE BE MORE SUCCESSFUL IN GETTING RESPONSE AND COMMUNICATION WITH OUR DISTRICT COMMISSIONER OR DISTRICT? UH, SO WHAT CONTACT, BECAUSE I'VE NOT HAD ANY, HAVE YOU, UH, TRIED TO CONTACT THEIR OFFICE AND GOT NO RESPONSE? OH YEAH. OKAY. EMAIL, VOICEMAIL. YEAH. I THINK STAFF CAN HELP YOU WITH THAT. CAN WE? YEAH. YEAH. WE, WE CAN DISCUSS THAT OFFLINE AND, AND SEE, UH, WHAT, UM, WHAT WE CAN DO TO, TO, UH, TO MAKE THAT CONNECTION. OKAY. BECAUSE I SEE THAT IN THE PARAGRAPH ABOUT WHAT THIS COMMISSION DOES. IT DOESN'T DIRECT. YEAH. BUT IT CAN ADVISE, BUT IT MOSTLY COMMUNICATES, SO WE'VE GOTTA MAKE SURE THAT THAT IS A TWO-WAY STREET. WELL, I, I WOULD ALSO NOTE THAT THERE ARE A NUMBER OF COMMISSIONS. AND SO SIMILARLY, OTHER COMMISSIONS DO HAVE LIAISONS. YOU KNOW, OUR GOAL IS TO MAKE SURE THAT, UM, THAT OUR COMMISSIONERS ARE AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS OR FOR CONCERNS, UH, THAT OUR COMMISSIONERS CAN BE, CAN AND CAN PROVIDE A, BE A CONDUIT FOR, UH, THE, THEIR RESPECTIVE COUNCIL MEMBERS WITH UPDATES. UM, SO I DO KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A NUMBER OF COMMISSIONS. UM, IT REALLY DEPENDS ON THE TOPIC, BUT WE CAN, WE CAN WORK TOGETHER AND SEE, UM, WHAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO DO TO KIND OF, UH, MAKE THAT CONNECTION. YOU'RE WELCOME. ALRIGHT. SEE NO OTHER. COULD WE HAVE A ROLL CALL ON THIS ASSIGNMENT? COMMISSIONER ZARIN? YES. COMMISSIONER THOMAS? YES. COMMISSIONER MOSQUEDA? YES. COMMISSIONER LARSON? YES. COMMISSIONER BROWN? YES. COMMISSIONER ARIAS? YES. VICE CHAIR GALES? YES. CHAIR CHRISTOFF? YES. YES. MOTION IS CARRIED. SO AT THIS POINT I [PUBLIC COMMENT Opportunity to address the Airport Advisory Commission on non-agenda items. Each speaker is limited to three minutes to make their comments unless extended by the Chair.] DO OPEN IT UP FOR COMMENTS NOT RELATED TO ANY AGENDA ITEM. , IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO DO SO? PLEASE STEP UP AND STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD. THANK YOU. HELLO AGAIN, CLINT DOLCE. AND I WANT TO SPECIFICALLY THANK THOSE ON THE COMMISSION WHO ARE SUPPORTING CREATION OF AN AD HOC COMMITTEE AND TO DISCUSS, UH, FURTHER DISCUSS LANDING FEES AND TO BECOME MORE EDUCATED, UH, ON THE TOPIC. AND I WOULD SPECIFICALLY ASK THAT THE COMMITTEE BE COMPRISED OF THOSE, UH, COMMISSIONERS WHO, [01:55:01] UH, SPOKE TOWARDS GETTING MORE INFORMED AND WHO SUPPORTED THE EFFORTS OF CREATING THIS SORT OF, UH, AD HOC COMMITTEE. OKAY. THAT'S FIRST TOPIC. THE SECOND ONE, I HAVE A QUESTION THAT, UH, AND I'M NOT SURE WHETHER THIS, UM, IS SOMETHING THAT YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT, BUT I HAVE OVER THE YEARS BEEN CONCERNED WITH THE GIANT PILE OF RUBBLE THAT IS AT THE END OF, UH, RUNWAY 30 ON CONNET STREET OR COVER STREET RATHER, UM, NEAR CHERRY. AND IT IS AN ENORMOUS PILE OF, UH, WHICH I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S PARTS OF A RUNWAY THAT WERE CHOPPED UP AND DUMPED THERE AND PILED UP AND THERE'S DIRT. AND NOW THERE'S ACTUALLY, IT'S BEEN, THERE'S SO LONG, THERE'S ACTUALLY TREES GROWING OUT OF IT DURING WIND STORMS. IT RAISES DUST WHICH BLOWS OVER THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND MY QUESTION TO YOU IS TO, UH, LOOK INTO WHETHER WHERE THIS, UM, IF THIS EMANATED FROM THE AIRPORT, UH, WHY IS IT STILL THERE? WHAT IS THE FUTURE OF IT? IF IT DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE AIRPORT TO LET US KNOW AND WE CAN PURSUE, UH, WHERE ARE QUESTIONS REGARDING THIS HEALTH CONCERN AND, UM, THIS DEBRIS CAN BE DIRECTED TOWARDS. OKAY, THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENT. I DO HAVE A REQUEST FOR MY CARMEN. IT'S CARMEN VALDEZ. I LIVE IN LONG BEACH. OKAY. I CAME BECAUSE OF MY INTEREST IN ITEM NUMBER THREE, BUT I HAVE ANOTHER ISSUE THAT I'D LIKE TO DISCUSS WITH THE COMMISSION. I HOPE IT'S APPROPRIATE TO DISCUSS IT WITH YOU. MM-HMM . FIRST OF ALL, I'D LIKE TO THANK YOU FOR THE EXPERIENCE OF THE PACKED ROOM TODAY. I FELT LIKE I WAS IN THE LAST ROW OF THE CENTER SEAT OF A SPIRIT AIRLINE, . IT WAS QUITE EXCITING TO HAVE AN AIRPORT, AN AIRPLANE EXPERIENCE AT A COMMISSION MEETING. SO I FLY OUT OF LONG BEACH AIRPORT WHENEVER I CAN, AND I APPRECIATE BEING ABLE TO DO SO. I ALWAYS BRING AN EMPTY WATER BOTTLE AND I TRY TO FILL IT AT THE WATER BOTTLE FILLING STATIONS. IT'S TIP IT, AT BEST, I COULD MAKE YOU MAKE A CUP OF TEA OUT OF THAT WATER MORE SO THAN A REFRESHING DRINK. AND I WOULD LIKE THE COMMISSION, IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN ADDRESS, TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THE WATER BOTTLE FLOWING STATIONS AT THE AIRPORT. IF WE COULD. I KNOW THAT THEY CAN, UH, PROVIDE COLD WATER MM-HMM . IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULD DO. I KNOW THAT OTHER AIR AIRPLANES, AIR AIRPORTS, MIDWAY ESPECIALLY HAS SPECTACULAR MM-HMM . WATER BOTTLE FLOWING STATIONS WITH COLD WATER. AND THAT'S JUST MY CONCERN AND MY COMMENT FOR THE COMMISSION TODAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE? YOU'VE ALREADY HAD YOUR COMMENT, . ALL I WANT, ALL I WANTED TO SAY WAS TO APOLOGIZE FOR JUMPING IN EARLIER. IT'S, IT'S FINE. I REALIZE NOW THAT I HAD LOST MY PLACE AT THE AGENDA , IT'S, IT'S FINE. EVERYTHING THAT I SAID EARLIER ON ABOUT LEAD, PLEASE REPEAT IN PUBLIC COMMENT NOW. YEAH, IT'S BEEN DULY NOTED. ALL RIGHT. SEEING NO OTHER COMMENTS, UH, ANYTHING FROM MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS AT [ANNOUNCEMENTS] THIS POINT, WAS THERE ANY WRITTEN CORRESPONDENCE YOU NEED TO REPORT OUT? YEAH, THERE WAS WRITTEN CORRESPONDENCE AND IT'S INCLUDED IN ALL THE INFORMATION PACKETS. OKAY. ALRIGHT. WITH THAT, WE ARE ADJOURNED. WE'LL SEE SOME OF YOU NEXT [ADJOURNMENT] MONTH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.