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SO LET'S CALL TO ORDER THE SEPTEMBER 30TH MEETING OF THE CIVIL SERVICE EMPLOYEE RIGHTS
[CALL TO ORDER]
AND APPEALS COMMISSION.COULD I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? JUST ONE SECOND.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE TRANSCRIPT IS RECORDING BEFORE WE BEGIN.
SO, UH, YOU CAN DO THAT OVER AGAIN.
WOULD YOU LIKE THE ROLE, PLEASE? COMMISSIONER ALER PRESENT.
[ROLL CALL]
COMMISSIONER GALL.COMMISSIONER OWENS PRESENT, VICE PRESIDENT GARNER PRESENT.
PRESIDENT MORALES PRESENT, WE HAVE CORN.
SO THE FIRST ITEM UP IS THE ELECTION OF
[ELECTION OF PRESIDENT AND VICE PRESIDENT]
CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR AND OR PRESIDENT AND VICE PRESIDENT.AND THOSE TWO POSITIONS WILL BEGIN THEIR TERMS NEXT MONTH.
I NOW DECLARE THE NOMINATIONS OPEN FOR THE CHAIR.
THE PRESIDENT OF THE CIVIL SERVICE, EMPLOYEE RIGHTS AND APPEALS COMMISSION.
EACH MEMBER MAY NOMINATE ONE PERSON FOR CHAIR, INCLUDING YOURSELF.
THESE NOMINATIONS DO NOT REQUIRE A SECOND.
SO, COMMISSIONER GLA OOD, DO YOU HAVE A NOMINEE FOR PRESIDENT? UHHUH?
SEEING NO MORE NOMINATIONS, I DECLARE THE NOMINATIONS CLOSE FOR PRESIDENT.
WHAT'S YOUR VOTE? CHRIS? OKAY.
CHRIS, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SAY ANYTHING? UH, NO, BUT THAT'S THE DIRECT YOU WANT TO GO? I'M FINE WITH THAT.
YOU ACCEPT THE NOMINATION, SIR? I ACCEPT NOMINATION.
SO CAN WE HAVE THE VOTE PLEASE? ALL RIGHT.
SO ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF CHRIS FOR PRESIDENT, PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE.
WE'LL TAKE A VERBAL, SO, OKAY.
I NOW DECLARE THE NOMINATIONS OPEN FOR THE VICE PRESIDENT OF THE CIVIL SERVICE, EMPLOYEE RIGHTS AND APPEALS COMMISSIONER MISSION.
EACH MEMBER MAY NOMINATE ONE PERSON FOR VICE CHAIR, INCLUDING YOURSELF.
THESE NOMINATIONS DO NOT REQUIRE A SECOND THE FLOOR FOR NOMINATIONS.
I NOMINATE, UM, DEVIN
DO YOU HAVE ANOTHER NOMINATION? NO.
HURLEY, IS THERE SOMEONE, I'M SORRY? IS THERE SOMEONE YOU WOULD LIKE TO NOMINATE? VICE CHAIR.
OKAY, CHRIS, AND I'M GONNA PASS TWO.
SO, DEVIN, IS THERE ANYTHING THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SAY? NOPE.
SO I NEED A RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE
[1. 26-56116 Recommendation to approve the minutes for the Civil Service Employee Rights and Appeals Commission meeting of Wednesday, September 9, 2026. Suggested Action: Approve recommendation. ]
THE MINUTES FOR THE CIVIL SERVICE EMPLOYEE RIGHTS AND APPEALS COMMISSION MEETING OF WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 9TH, 2026.I IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND FOR THE RECORD.
THAT WAS A MOTION BY, UH, COMMISSIONER MILLER AND OOD.
AND A SECOND BY GARNER VICE PRESIDENT GARNER.
WERE THERE ANY CHANGES ANYONE NOTED NEEDED TO BE MADE ON THE MINUTES? ANY DISCUSSION? PUBLIC COMMENT.
DID YOU HAVE GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT OR DID YOU HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT IN OUR MINUTES.
SO WHAT WE'LL HOLD YOU FOR SECOND.
HATE I JUST HAVE TO ASK AFTER EACH ITEM.
SEEING NO DISCUSSION, CAN WE GO TO A VOTE, PLEASE? YES.
ANY EITHER RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE
[2. 26-56263 Recommendation to approve the minutes for the Civil Service Employee Rights and Appeals Commission meeting of Wednesday, September 16, 2026. Suggested Action: Approve recommendation. ]
THE MINUTES FOR THE CIVIL SERVICE EMPLOYEE RIGHTS AND APPEALS COMMISSION MEETING OF WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 16TH, 2026.MAY I HAVE A MOTION? SO MOVED.
MOVED BY COMMISSIONER AVALOR GOODES.
SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER OWENS.
ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MINUTES? ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? SEEING NONE, LET'S MOVE TO A VOTE.
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AYE.MOTION CARRIES A, UH, RECOMMENDATION
[3. 26-56264 Recommendation to approve the minutes of Administrative Hearing 12-D-2425. Suggested Action: Approve recommendation. ]
TO APPROVE THE MINUTES OF ADMINISTRATIVE HEARING 12 DASH D DASH 24 25 AND HAVE A MOTION ON THAT ITEM.SO IT IS MOVED BY COMMISSIONER OWEN.
SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER ADLER.
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? ARE WE ON ITEM THREE? YES, WE ARE ON ITEM THREE.
ANY DISCUSSION FOR ITEM THREE? IT SAYS, UH, NO CORRESPONDENCE.
IT SHOULD BE THE MINUTES OF THE ACTUAL APPEAL HEARING THAT YOU GUYS HEARD THE LAST ONE THAT YOU HEARD.
SO FROM THE MINUTES, YOU MIGHT CARRY THOSE OVER TO THE NEXT ONE.
THOSE ARE THE ONES FOR, UM, THE, THE ONE BEFORE IT WAS A
DID WE DID YOU GET THOSE REVIEW? YEAH.
'CAUSE YOU'RE PROOF OF MINUTES.
YOU, THE ONES YOU REVIEWED ONLINE, BUT THEY SENT YOU A COPY.
BUT SO THEY HAVE NOT SEEN THEM.
WHAT IS, WHAT IS THE, HOLD ON ONE SECOND PLEASE.
THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS, WE SEND THEM TO PRESIDENT AND VICE PRESIDENT TO SEE.
OH, THEY SHOULD, IF THEY'RE GONNA VOTE ON THEM, THEY SHOULD ALL SEE THEM.
RIGHT? SO LET'S, WE VOTED ON THEM SO THE MINUTES HAVEN'T BEEN SURVEYED HERE.
ONE, WE SHOULD PULL THE ITEM AND YOU GUYS CAN ALL REVIEW THEM BEFORE WE VOTE.
THAT'S WHY I WAS GONNA SAY, LET'S HOLD THIS.
WE'RE GONNA HOLD THIS ITEM OVER UNTIL NEXT, NEXT MEETING.
YOU HAVE THAT MR. CLERK? UH, YEAH.
JUST TO CONFIRM, UH, UH, WE'RE GONNA UH, TABLE IT.
UH, SO DO WE WANT TO TAKE A A, A SECONDARY, UH, MOTION ON THAT OR CAN WE UH, I THINK IT WAS, UH, OWENS AND ALER JUST SHOULD GET A MOTION TO TABLE IT.
SO IF YOU'D LIKE TO CALL FOR A MOTION AND A SECOND SO I HAVE A MOTION TO TABLE AND A SECOND.
MOTION COMMISSIONER GARNER SECOND.
ANY DISCUSSION ON TABLING THE ITEM? ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? LET'S GO TO THE VOTE.
UH, THE, UH, NEW RECOMMENDATION ARE TO TABLE.
SO LET'S GO TO NON AGENDA, PUBLIC COMMENT NEXT.
[PUBLIC COMMENT Opportunity to address the Civil Service Employee Rights and Appeals Commission on non-agenda items. Each speaker is limited to three minutes to make their comments unless extended by the President.]
AND YOU HAD SOMETHING? YES.OH, IF YOU COULD, UM, UH, JUST ANNOUNCE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD IF YOU'D LIKE, OR ARE YOU IN ON MESSAGE? NO.
MY NAME IS ANDRA JAMES LUCAS, JR.
MY NAME IS ANDRA JEAN LUCAS JR.
I'M A FORMER CITY, CITY OF LONG BEACH REFUGE DEPARTMENT CLERK.
WE HAVE AN ATTORNEY ON THIS CASE, I BELIEVE.
AND, UH, WHAT WOULD I BE ABLE TO FIND MICHAEL SWIFT? HE'S, UH, CAN YOU ASK THE RECEPTION STREET DOWN, STRAIGHT DOWN THE HALL MARTIN, AT THE VERY END YOU'LL SEE HIM ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE, BUT STRAIGHT DOWN THE HALL.
IS NOW YOURS? UH, I'M A FORMER CITY EMPLOYEE, CITY OF LONG BEACH PUBLIC WORKS REFUGE DEPARTMENT EMPLOYEE.
I WAS RELEASED FROM WORK MAY, 2026 DUE TO MY LICENSE BEING SUSPENDED IN JULY OF 2025.
I MADE ONE OF THE BIGGEST MISTAKES OF MY LIFE.
I INTENDED THE JUNETEENTH CELEBRATION AND GOT A LITTLE BIT TOO INTOXICATED.
ONCE I BECAME BEHIND THE WHEEL, I KNEW I COULDN'T DRIVE, SO I PARKED MY VEHICLE IN A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD SO I COULD JUST SLEEP IT OFF.
WITH MY CAR BEING PARKED IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THE NEIGHBORS CALLED THE POLICE.
UM, THEY PULLED UP ON ME AND SINCE MY CAR WAS ACTUALLY STARTED, I WAS ARRESTED FOR A DUI SINCE MY CAR WAS IN, IT WAS A SUSPICIOUS VEHICLE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, SO THAT'S WHAT MADE THE NEIGHBORS CALL THE POLICE.
UM, THEY DID A FULL SOBRIETY CHECK ON ME IN MY HEAD.
I'M STILL TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT'S GOING ON BECAUSE I WASN'T DRIVING.
BODY CAM SHOWS THAT THEY PULLED UP TO A PARKED VEHICLE AND IT'S ALL IN MY CASE FILES.
THE DUI HAS ONCE SINCE BEEN THROWN OUT AND I WAS ACTUALLY CHARGED FOR A WEAPON RECKLESS.
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I NOW HAVE MY FULL DRIVER'S LICENSE BACK, COMMERCIAL DRIVER'S LICENSE WITH MY MOTORCYCLE ENDORSEMENTS, I BELIEVE TO CALL MYSELF AN EXCEPTIONAL EMPLOYEE.AND I'M HERE TODAY TO ASK FOR A REVERSAL APPEAL TO REVERSE MY TERMINATION.
I WAS TERMINATED DUE TO MY SUSPEND MY LICENSE BEING SUSPENDED.
I MISSED A 10 DAY WINDOW MARK, UM, THAT I WASN'T AWARE OF OUR RED OVER.
I DIDN'T KNOW I HAD TO MAKE AN APPEAL WITHIN 10 DAYS.
UH, ROB HAD TOLD ME TO CON, ONCE MY LICENSE GOT BACK TO CONTACT HIM IN THE HR DEPARTMENT, HE WOULD GIVE ME THE STEPS TO GO ABOUT THE APPEAL PROCESS.
I WAS AN EXCEPTIONAL EMPLOYEE ON MY WAY UP TO MANAGEMENT AND OR SUPERVISOR.
I WAS ONE OF THE EIGHT EMPLOYEES THAT GOT CHOSEN TO BE PART OF THE RFI SUPERVISOR POSITION.
I NEVER HAD NO ISSUES WHILE WORKING FOR THE CITY FOR SIX YEARS, HAD NO WRITE-UPS AND I'VE NEVER CAUSED ANY TROUBLE.
I'M HERE TODAY TO ASK FOR A CHANCE TO HAVE MY POSITION BACK WITH THE CITY OF LONG BEACH.
I UNDERSTAND THAT I MAY NOT GET THE RFI SUPERVISOR POSITION BACK, BUT I'M AT LEAST ASKING TO HAVE MY RO FOUR POSITION BACK AND A FULL-TIME POSITION BACK WITH THE CITY OF LONG BEACH.
I'M SURE A LOT OF SUPERVISORS AND HR OVER IN THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT CAN CONTEST AND SAY THAT I WAS A EXCEPTIONAL EMPLOYEE IN CAUSE NO PROBLEMS. SO I'M HERE TODAY JUST TO ASK FOR A REVERSAL OF MY APPEAL, UM, TO BE ABLE TO GET MY POSITION BACK WITH THE CITY OF LONG BEACH.
SO COMMISSIONER, I SHOULD ADVISE YOU THAT THIS ITEM WAS FOUND ON THE AGENDA BECAUSE WE, UM, GISELLE, GISELLE AND I TALKED ABOUT THIS, UM, THAT WINDOW HAD LAPSED A 10 DAY WINDOW AND SO WAS APPROPRIATE TO PUT IT ON THE AGENDA FOR YOU TO TAKE ACTION.
UM, BUT HE CAN DEFINITELY COME IN AND AND PLEAD HIS CASE.
WHAT YOU CAN DO IS DECIDE IF YOU WANT TO PUT IT ON THE AGENDA FOR DISCUSSION AND TAKE ACTION.
UM, BUT WE DIDN'T DO THAT BECAUSE THE, THE RULES, ALL THE RULES AND THAT 10 DAY TIME PERIOD HAD ALREADY ELAPSED.
YES, I CAN, CAN I, CAN I MAKE A MOTION FOR THAT OR MM-HMM
UM, I MOVE THAT WE, THAT THAT WE BRING THAT CASE UP AND REVIEW IT, UM, UH, ON THE AGENDA.
WE RE WE REVIEW IF WE WANT TO REVIEW IT GIVEN THAT IT HAD THE 10 DAY.
'CAUSE WE CAN HAVE NO DEBATE ON THE MERITS OF THIS CASE RIGHT NOW.
SO I THINK THE FIRST STEP GARY, WOULD BE FOR US TO DECIDE IF WE EVEN WANTED TO GIVE HIM, SO YOU'RE RIGHT.
NO, MY, SO I, MY, MY MOTION WOULD BE THAT WE DO GIVE HIM THE OPPORTUNITY, UM, TO HAVE HIS CASE SERVED, TO HAVE HIS APPEAL.
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR? NOPE.
DO WE NEED TO TAKE A FULL PHOTO ON THIS? WE, UH, WOULDN'T, WOULDN'T THE COMMISSION JUST BE REQUESTING STAFF TO IZE THIS FOR THE NEXT AVAILABLE MEETING? CAN WE DO REC STAFF OR, I WOULD SAY TYPICALLY THAT'S HOW WE'LL BE DONE.
BUT BECAUSE HE'S OUT OF COMPLIANCE WITH THE RULES, THEY'RE BASICALLY, UM, I MEAN WE COULD TAKE A VOTE JUST TO UH, HAVE IT FOR THE RECORD.
SO IT'S AN AGREEMENT THAT THEY WANT PUT IT ON THE AGENDA.
UH, SO, UH, SO SO TO BE CLEAR, WHAT WE ARE VOTING ON IS AUTHORIZING HIM TO FILE AN APPEAL THROUGH YOUR OFFICE.
NO, HE IS ALREADY, WELL HE'S, I THINK THAT'S RIGHT NOW IS MAKING, HE'S MAKING A REQUEST FOR THE APPEAL NOW.
UM, BUT THE REQUEST IS OUTSIDE THE 10 DAY WINDOW TO DO IT.
YOU CAN, IF YOU WANT, LIKE I SAID, PUT IT ON THE AGENDA FOR A FULL DISCUSSION.
UM, SO IT WOULDN'T BE A HEARING ON WHEN WE DISCUSS IT, IT WOULD BE MORE OF A IT'S ON, WHEN IT COMES BACK TO YOU, IT WOULD BE SORT OF LIKE, UM, HEAR THE REQUEST FROM MR. LUCAS REGARDING HIS REQUEST TO APPEAL IS, UM, TERMINATION.
LET'S NOT GET TOO FAR OFF OF THE AGENDA SINCE IT HASN'T BEEN AGENDA.
NO, I'M JUST TRYING, I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE MOTION IS WE WE'RE VOTING ON.
SO MY MOTION IS TO TO IZE HIS APPEAL, RIGHT? YEAH.
HIS REQUEST TO BE ABLE TO FILE AN APPEAL.
BE HEARD ABOUT BY THE COMMISSION.
THAT'S THE MOTION BE HEARD BY THE COMMISSION.
SO, SO RIGHT NOW YOU CAN'T TAKE ANY ACTION 'CAUSE IT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA.
SO WHAT MR. ALAR IS PROPOSING IS THAT PUT IT ON THE AGENDA FOR A FULL BLOWN DISCUSSION.
MAYBE YOU TAKE ACTION, MAYBE YOU DON'T.
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SO LET'S GO TO, YEAH, SO FOR THE RECORD, THAT WAS A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER AARD.UM, A SECOND BY, UH, WAS IT OWENS? OWENS? THANK YOU.
ARE WE ARE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? NO.
OKAY, THEN LET'S GO TO A VOTE.
ALL MOTION? CARRIE? SO GISELLE WILL BE IN TOUCH WITH YOU LETTING YOU KNOW WHEN IT'S ON OUR NEXT AGENDA.
DO YOU KNOW WHAT UNION YOU WERE A PART OF BEFORE? UM, SEIU.
AND I WANT TO REACH OUT TO THEM AS WELL.
DO I NEED THEM? YOU DON'T NEED TO, BUT I, I WOULD SUGGEST I WOULD I ALWAYS SUGGEST REACHING OUT TO YOUR BARGAINING.
I WAS GONNA SAY HE'S NO LONGER A CITY EMPLOYEE, SO THERE'S NO OBLIGATION FOR THE UNION THERE, THERE'S NO OBLIGATION.
I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT YOU UNDERSTAND THAT TOO.
SO I WANT, YOU KNOW, MANAGE EXPECTATIONS.
IN GENERAL I ALWAYS RECOMMEND REACHING OUT TO, TO THE, TO THE APPROPRIATE BARGAINING UNION.
SO OUR NEXT ITEM IS RECOMMENDATION TO
[4. 26-56273 Recommendation to hear disciplinary appeal on case 23-D-2223. Suggested Action: Approve recommendation. ]
HEAR YOUR DISCIPLINARY APPEAL ON CASE 23 DASH D DASH 2223.BUT I UNDERSTAND YOU HAVE SOME INFORMATION.
I RECEIVED THE CALL THIS MORNING FROM MR. TROTT WHO REPRESENTS, UM, THE EMPLOYEE.
AND MR. TROTT INDICATES TO ME THAT HE IS UNFORTUNATELY KILLED THIS MORNING AND HE CANNOT MAKE IT INS HE'S SICK AND HE'S ASKING IF WE CAN MAYBE PERHAPS HERE NEXT WEDNESDAY IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE COMMISSION WANTS TO DO FOR NEXT WEEK.
SO I'M NOT HERE NEXT WEDNESDAY.
SO IF THE FOUR OF YOU WANT TO GO AHEAD, WE COULD DO THAT.
I HAVE ANOTHER COMMITMENT, BUT I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE OTHER DATES THAT HAVE BEEN, UM, COMMUNICATED WITH MR. TROTT.
SO WHAT SO CAN DO IS WE CAN, GISELLE CAN COORDINATE WITH, UM, MR. ESPERINO AND MR. TROTT AND THE COMMISSION ABOUT AVAILABLE DATES SO WE CAN HAVE DAY TWO OF THIS HEARING FILED.
SO DO I NEED A MOTION TO POSTPONE THE HEARING TO A FUTURE DATE TO BE DETERMINED? YES.
DOES ANYONE WANNA MAKE THAT MOTION TO POSTPONE CASE THE APPEAL ON CASE 23 DASH D 2223 TO A FUTURE DATE TO BE DETERMINED? I MOTION.
SO THAT'S MOTION BY COMMISSIONER G**O.
SECOND BY COMMISSIONER AVALARA.
ANY DISCUSSION? WE HAVE THE ROLL CALL.
COMMISSIONER OR I'M SORRY, VICE PRESIDENT GAR AYE.
IS THERE ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT? ARE THERE ANY ANNOUNCEMENTS?
[ANNOUNCEMENTS]
ALL RIGHT.[ADJOURNMENT]
AT ONE 20 HOLIDAYS WORK WE YEAH.