* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. I'D LIKE TO CALL THIS ORDER [00:00:01] THE VETERANS COMMISSION VETERAN REPAIR COMMISSION MEETING TO ORDER FOR OCTOBER 21ST, 2026. CAN WE PLEASE CALL YOUR PLEASE? CAN YOU SPEAK UP JUST A LITTLE BIT? COMMISSIONER EARL. COMMISSIONER GOODEN CHAIR. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER HARDIMAN. COMMISSIONER REMAN. HERE. COMMISSIONER TECH. HERE. COMMISSIONER VARGAS? HERE. COMMISSIONER ATKINS. LEG. YEP. CHAIR HERE. WE HAVE MORE. ALRIGHT. EVERYBODY'S THERE ON THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. BEFORE WE MOVE ON, COMMISSIONERS, UH, EARL AND HARDIMAN ARE EXCUSED FOR MEETING. ARE THERE ANY, IS THERE ANY OBJECTION FOR THE COMMISSION? THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. I'LL TAKE IT THIS TIME. READY? BEGIN. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER, UH, INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. WE ALL. ALL RIGHT. CAN I GET A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR THE FIRST ITEM? A MOTION. SECOND. SECOND. ALRIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER SECOND. A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER PARTIES. YEP. UM, JUST MY OWN COMMENTS. WE'LL GET ONTO IT LATER, BUT, BUT UNFORTUNATELY, LAST SPECIAL MEETING TURNED OUT TO BE AN UNFORTUNATE WASTE WASTE FOR OTHER REASONS. SO, BUT YOU KNOW, THE REST WE'RE GETTING ON BACK END THE DAY, SO WE'LL, WE'LL TAKE OUT IT LATER. NOT A WHOLE LOT TO SAY. DO YOU WANNA EXPLAIN WHAT, WHAT, WHY? THE LOSS, MEANING OF WASTE WASTE. UM, THERE'LL BE MORE DETAILS ABOUT THAT. OKAY. UM, THERE WERE SOME PROCEDURAL ISSUES THAT CAUSED IT TO STALL AND TO BE RESTARTED. SO WHAT THE, I I, I KNOW IF I ASK QUESTIONS, WE'RE GONNA GO DOWN THE RABBIT HOLE, BUT I AM. I THOUGHT WE TRIED TO UNDERSTAND THE PROCEDURES LAST TIME SO THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE TO BE IN THIS POSITION. RIGHT. I THOUGHT THAT'S WHAT WE DID. AND UNFORTUNATELY OUR INFORMATION WAS INCORRECT. WE WERE SO IT NEEDS TO GO THROUGH THE SAME PROCEDURE THAT IT WOULD, THAT THE LETTER WE PUT FORWARD FOR CHANGING TO COMMISSIONS BEING, UM, VOTED AT LARGE. WE HAD A PROCEDURE WE WENT THROUGH WITH THAT. TURNS OUT THAT WAS THE PROCEDURE WE NEED TO FOLLOW. AND FORTUNATELY IT DIDN'T GET OUT BECAUSE WE WOULD'VE GOTTEN IN TROUBLE FOR IT. SO, SO DOESN IT DIDN'T GO OUT, SO IT DIDN'T, IT GOT CLOSE, BUT IT DIDN'T BOTHER. SO WE BEGIN AGAIN. AND IT'S NOT THAT IT'S JUST, IT'S A, A PROCEDURE THE METHOD THAT IT HAS TO FOLLOW. SO IS THAT HANDBOOK? WE KNOW THAT AN HANDBOOK, IT'S NOWHERE KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION, BUT I CAN FIND OUT THEY, THE, THE, THE CITY AND ITS INFINITE WISDOM DOES NOT PUT OUT AN IDEA OF HOW THINGS SHOULD BE DONE. YOU'RE EXPECTED TO FIGHT TO FIGURE IT OUT YOURSELF. NO, I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE THE BOOK IS. SO WHEREVER THE GUIDELINES ARE, 'CAUSE I CAN DOWNLOAD THOSE AND THEN JUST, WELL, WHAT I'M SAYING IS THERE'S NO REAL FOR COMMISSIONS TO DO THINGS. THEY DON'T LIKE A GUIDE. THEY DON'T HAVE A GUIDELINE. OH. THEY DON'T BOTHER TO SHARE THAT WITH US OF HOW WE SHOULD DO THINGS BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE TOO LOGICAL. SO OKEY DO, I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER. BUT THAT, WHEN I WAS ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION, NOT THE HARVARD COMMISSION PLANNING COMMISSION, WE ACTUALLY HAD A BOOK, A PROCEDURE BOOK. IT WAS QUITE, VERY LONG. PROBABLY 35, 40 PAGES OF HOW WE DO OR DON'T DO STUFF. HAVE A SEAT. PROCEDURES. YES. PLEASE HAVE A SEAT. INTRODUCE YOU IN A THAT'S ONE. SO I NEVER SEEN IT. I KNOW IT. THAT'S WHAT I MEAN. IT'S, IT'S SURE. WOULDN'T HURT TO GO AND ASK SOMEONE. YEAH. I I'M WITH YOU. 'CAUSE I'D RATHER HAVE, IF WE WANT TO DO SOMETHING, WE, YEAH, LIKE IN THE MILITARY, WE OPEN UP THE BOOK. WE READ DO WHAT IT SAYS EXACTLY. SO, YOU KNOW, IT'D BE NICE TO, CAN WE DO IT ONCE TO SEE IF THERE IS A, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST AN EXAMPLE OF ONE FOR ONE OR MORE OF THE COMMISSIONS. I HAD THE HANDBOOK SO I [00:05:01] DIDN'T CHECK. SO, SO THAT'S ALL. WE HAVEN'T DONE A LOT OF IT. SO THAT'S PROBABLY PART OF OUR, WE'VE DONE ONE OR TWO, MAYBE SOME, SOME BEFORE I GOT HERE. BUT WE'VE DONE ONE SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE. AND NOW THAT WE KNOW THAT THAT WASN'T NOW WE SHOULD FOLLOW THAT SPECIFIC PROCEDURE AND GUIDELINE. WE KNOW WHAT THAT IS NOW. SO SAME, SAME IDEA, BUT WE'LL BACK 'EM UP. ALL RIGHT. THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT. DO WE HAVE TO VOTE ON MY COMMENTS OR NOT? YES. WE'LL HAVE TO ASK IF THERE'S ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS. OH, ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS . HEARING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? ALL FOR THE VOTE. SHE CAN CALL FOR THE VOTE. COMMISSIONER GOODEN. UH, AYE. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER M**K AYE. COMMISSIONER TECH? AYE. COMMISSIONER VARGAS. AYE. CHAIR OVAR AYE. MOTION CARRIES. UM, IF I MAY PAUSE FOR A SECOND. WE HAVE JERRY SCHULTZ HERE WHO IS A, UH, A VETERAN IN OUR COMMUNITY WHO WAS RECENTLY PART OF THE VETERANS BANNER PROGRAM, WHO WAS A COUNCIL MEMBER IN THE TWO THOUSANDS. THE NINTH DISTRICT. RIGHT. FOR THE NINTH DISTRICT. WELL, FROM 1994, 2002. SO WELCOME. HE CAME TO PICK UP HIS BANNER IN SANTA, GOT RIPPED TO SHREDS ON BELLFLOWERS. SO WE PRINTED A NEW ONE AND I SAID YOU, AND HE ASKED ALSO WHEN'S THE VETERANS COMMISSION? JUST THE DAY BEFORE YESTERDAY, IF I MAY. YES. THIS IS NOT ON THE ATTORNEY. OKAY. SO I WAS JUST DOING AN INTRO. . THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, MOVING RIGHT ALONG. MINUTES. UM, CAN I GET A, UH, MOTION AND A SECOND ON THE MINUTES? MOTION. SECOND. DONE. AND THE MOTION. MR. HARVEYS, THE SECOND FOR RECK. THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE ANY ADDITION SUBTRACTIONS CHANGES TO THE MINUTES AS WRITTEN, THE SPECIAL MEETINGS ON TOP AND, UH, OR MIGHT BE TWO, TWO SETS OF, ALL RIGHT. ANYTHING OUT THERE? ALRIGHT. PUBLIC COMMENT, SEE NONE. SEEING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR APPROVING THE MINUTES AS WRITTEN, PLEASE STAND. I'LL HAVE TO DO A CALL VOTE. SO, COMMISSIONER GOODIN. AYE. COMMISSIONER REMIX? AYE. COMMISSIONER TECH? AYE. COMMISSIONER VARGAS. AYE. CHAIR OSBORN. AYE. MOTION CARRIES. ALRIGHT, WE'RE MOVING RIGHT ALONG. THIS ONE WILL TAKE SOME TIME. UM, CAN I GET A, A MOTION AND A SECOND ON ITEM NUMBER THREE, PLEASE? AND ITEM NUMBER THREE IS RECOMMENDATION TO RECEIVE AND DISCUSS UPDATES ON THE 2026 VETERANS DAY EVENT. CONSIDER OPTIONS FOR COMMISSION PARTICIPATION. SECOND. ALRIGHT, GINA? YEP. FIRST OF ALL, I WANNA SAY THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. IT'S GOOD TO SEE ALL OF YOU. AND, UH, WITH REGARD TO THE VETERAN'S DAY EVENT, UM, WE HAVE 2,500 FULL COLORED TWO-SIDED POSTCARDS IN SPANISH AND ENGLISH. SO, UH, THESE ARE BEFORE YOU LEAVE HERE. AND EVEN IF WE, UH, ADJOURN THE MEETING, I WANNA TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT DISTRIBUTING THEM. I KNOW THIS PACKET IS GONNA BE FOR MR. KIM FOR THE VA LONG BEACH. UM, SO BASICALLY THE PROMOTION IS WHAT WE DO OVER THE NEXT TWO WEEKS BEFORE THIS THING IS. AND, UH, CARLOS, DID YOU WANT TO, UH, COMMENT ON THE PROMOTE, PROMOTE THE PROMOTION PLAN IN REGARDS TO PROMOTIONAL? LIKE, I STARTED DOING THE SOCIAL MEDIA POSTING. UM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT OUR DEMOGRAPHICS IS, SO I GOTTA FIGURE THAT OUT. BUT IN REGARDS TO LIKE, LINKEDIN STARTED DOING GROUPS. FACEBOOK, UH, I STARTED DOING SOME INSTAGRAM TOO. NOT A LOT OF TRACTION. I DO NEED SOME MORE PHOTOS, SO I NEED TO MAKE A MEETING WITH A PERSON [00:10:01] THAT HAS THE ASSETS SO I CAN GRAB THOSE THINGS. UM, I'LL START POSTING THAT AND BOOSTING THE POST. I'M GONNA TRY AND GET PERMISSION TO BOOST. I CAN PAY FOR IT. IT'S NOT A BIG DEAL. SO I CAN JUST BOOST THOSE. BUT I'LL REACH OUT TO WHOEVER'S IN CHARGE OF THAT SO I CAN MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT VIOLATING ANYTHING. UM, GINA MENTIONED THAT SHE BROUGHT THOSE, I'M TAKING A WEEK OFF WORK SO THAT I CAN ACTUALLY DISTRIBUTE THESE ITEMS AND KIND OF REACH OUT TO THE COMMUNITY AND DO THAT NEXT WEEK. UM, TRY TO GET SOME TRACTION. IS THE, ARE THE SOCIAL MEDIAS. UM, YES. I UNDERSTAND. WE'RE ANOTHER MEMBER. THIS OF THIS AT THE OTHER DOOR. IF NOBODY'S PAYING ATTENTION TO THE DOOR, SOMEBODY'S HAVE TO PAY ATTENTION. UM, THE SOCIAL MEDIA YOU'RE POSTING ON, IS IT THE CITY'S SOCIAL MEDIA FOR US? OR WHO'S SOCIAL MEDIA? NO, IT'S MY PERSONAL SOCIAL MEDIA. SO I HAVE A PUBLIC SIDE AND A PRIVATE SIDE. RIGHT. I'M JUST DOING A PUBLIC SIDE. OKAY. BUT ALSO THE OTHER THING IS TRYING TO SEE, DOES ANYBODY KNOW IF WE HAVE A VETERANS COMMISSION LIKE INSTAGRAM, LINKEDIN? I WILL COMMENT ON THAT. UM, WE ONCE UPON A TIME HAD A FACEBOOK PAGE BEFORE THE CITY RIGHTFULLY CRACKED DOWN ON ALL THE COMMISSIONS THAT HAD PAGES AND STUFF. SO WE ARE ONE CITY OF LONG BEACH. SO, UH, THE EVENT IS POSTED BY THE CITY ON THE CITY'S INSTAGRAM AND FACEBOOK PAGE, AS WELL AS THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT'S FACEBOOK AND INSTAGRAM PAGE. SO THERE IS THAT PROMOTION, BUT BECAUSE IT'S OUT IN THE PUBLIC NOW, YOU ARE COMPLETELY FREE TO REPOST ON YOUR OWN SOCIAL MEDIA CHANNELS. YEAH. AND, AND EACH COUNCIL MEMBER CAN PUT IT IN THEIR NEWSLETTER. RIGHT. IT'S BEEN SENT TO THE, TO COUNCIL MEMBERS AS WELL. YEAH, I, I COUNCIL MEMBER HAVE DONE THAT NOW FOR A COUPLE WEEKS. THAT'S GREAT. SO ONCE, ONCE IT'S POSTED BY THE CITY, THEN YOU'RE ABLE TO REPOST IT ON ANY OF YOUR, SO YOUR OWN PERSONAL SOCIAL MEDIA CHANNELS. UM, AND WHAT CARLOS IS, IS ASKING ABOUT, AND HE'S GONNA BE SPEAKING WITH ERICA WITH THE PUBLIC AFFAIRS OFFICE FOR THE CITY, IS JUST, IS HE ALLOWED TO BOOST IT? AND THAT MEANS PAYING FOR IT TO BE AT THE TOP OF PEOPLE'S FEET. SO, UM, IF YOU'RE A VETERAN LOOKING AT VETERANS CAUSES AND YOU'RE CRUISING AROUND IN YOUR SOCIAL MEDIA, YOU'RE GONNA SEE THROUGH LONG BEACH VETERAN'S DAY POP UP AT THE TOP OF YOUR FEED. THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT THE BOOST IS. TRY TO GET TO. BUT THAT, BUT THAT WOULD BE TO THE, UM, CITY PAGE. THE BOOST WOULD BE TRYING TO BOOST THE CITY'S ONE OF THE CITY'S PAGES, I GUESS? OR NO, JUST YOUR OWN. OKAY. IT'D BE A, THAT'S DIFFERENT WE POSTED. RIGHT. HE'S JUST BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T HAD AN INDIVIDUAL FROM THE COMMUNITY OFFER TO MOVE TO THE POST. 'CAUSE WE, WE WANTED TO HAVE BUDGET TO DO THAT WITH THE CITY, BUT AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, DON'T HAVE BUDGET FOR THAT RIGHT NOW. , OUR DEMOGRAPHIC GENERALLY IS A SPLIT, WELL THAT'S, WE'RE REALLY OVER AND ARE REALLY YOUNGER. SO IT'S GONNA BE TIKTOK OR SOMETHING IN THAT RANGE AND FACEBOOK, , THOSE ARE THE TWO. YEAH, IT'LL BE LIKE THE TWO POLLS. YEAH. IF YOU GO REALLY YOUNG, IT'LL BE LIKE TIKTOK, LIKE YOU SAID. IF YOU DO LIKE, PUT MYSELF THIS GENERATION RIGHT. FACEBOOK AND INSTAGRAM, UH, THOSE ARE PROBABLY THE TWO SAFE. 'CAUSE INSTAGRAM WILL COVER THE Z'S AND THE X'S AND THE MILLENNIALS. MILLENNIALS NOT, NOT MUCH BEYOND THAT. . YEAH. OKAY. GINA. OKAY. SO, SO JUST TO GO THROUGH THE, THE ITEMS CONCERNING VETERANS DAY, UM, THE RESOURCES FAIR. DID YOU WANT TO REPORT, UH, CHAD ON HOW MANY SIGNUPS THERE ARE AT THIS POINT? YES, I CAN. UM, WE ARE STILL AT 11. OKAY. UM, THAT WE'VE GOTTEN SOME INTEREST FROM A COUPLE OF OTHER GROUPS THAT ARE ASKING, HEY, ARE WE DOING THIS? SO GINA HAS BEEN FORWARDING EMAILS TO ME THAT SHE'S GETTING, UM, AND I'M, I'VE REACHED OUT TO A COUPLE, UM, JUST YESTERDAY AND TODAY. SO HOPEFULLY WE'LL GET A FEW MORE IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF DAYS. THE ONE THING I, THAT I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT IS WHEN YOU SENT THE, THE, UM, THE MAP, I COUNTED UP THE VENDOR SPOTS AND IT ONLY LOOKED LIKE IF THERE'S SPOTS FOR 15, IT'S NOT JUST SCALE. OKAY. IT'S JUST A, IT'S JUST A, WHAT DO YOU CALL IT? A GLOBAL SURE, SURE. GOOGLE EARTH PICTURE THAT SOMEBODY'S JUST PUT STUFF ON TOP. IT'S NOT JUST SCALE. WE HAVE FIT AS MANY AS 38 BEFORE, BUT WE DON'T WANT TO DO THAT MANY 'CAUSE IT KIND OF DILUTES. AND THEN THE, THEN THE OTHER QUESTION I WASN'T ABLE TO DEDUCE FROM THE EMAIL TRAFFIC IS, ARE WE GETTING TABLES, SHARES AND TENS OR NOT? RIGHT. WELL THAT'S, THAT'S, I'M PUSHING REALLY HARD ON THAT BECAUSE, SO WE DUNNO YET. WE DUNNO YET. OKAY. IT'S LIKELY THAT WE WILL, BUT IT'S PEAK, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S, THAT'S FOR SPECIAL EVENTS TO WORK OUT. SURE. SO I'VE BEEN, YOU KNOW, PINGING AND PINGING AND PINGING. UM, I'M THINKING IT LOOKS PRETTY GOOD THOUGH, [00:15:01] THAT WE WILL GET TABLE SPINS AND CHAIRS AND THEN YOU'LL BE ABLE TO DO A PROPER CONFIRMATION. YEAH. AND AFTER THE MEETING, IF YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT, DO YOU HAVE WHAT YOU NEED FROM THE, YOU KNOW, A PREVIOUS EMAIL CONFIRMATION FROM LAST YEAR TO ADAPT TO SEND OUT TO THIS YEAR'S GROUP? OKAY. I THINK YOU HAVE IT, BUT IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, WE CAN TALK AFTER. OKAY. UM, LET'S SEE, WHAT ELSE? UH, ANTOINETTE AND CHAD, YOU ARE BOTH HERE. SO I, I KNOW THAT YOU HAVE TO LEAVE EARLY, BUT IF, UH, MAYBE YOU WANNA MAKE SURE THAT YOU HAVE EACH OTHER'S PHONE NUMBERS. WE DO TOO. WE, WE DO. WE, WE WERE GOING TO ATTEMPT TO CONNECT YESTERDAY, BUT IT DIDN'T WORK OUT. WHAT ARE THE DATES THAT YOU'RE OUTTA TOWN AGAIN? UH, THE FIFTH THROUGH THE EIGHTH. FIFTH THROUGH THE EIGHTH. SO WHATEVER YOU GOTTA DO IS BEFORE NOVEMBER 5TH, YOU TWO CONNECTING. UM, SO ANTOINETTE IS STILL GOING TO MANAGE THE DAY OF, UM, WE HAVE, AND I, I, I'LL LOOK THROUGH MY STUFF, BUT ANTOINETTE CAN TELL YOU IS THAT THERE'S A WAY THAT WE COULD REPLACE PEOPLE, UM, YOU KNOW, IN A CERTAIN ORDER SO THAT WE'RE A CORNER SPOT AND, YOU KNOW, THOSE KIND OF DETAILS YOU CAN DISCUSS WITH HER AND ALL. AND I, I HAVE SO MANY DIFFERENT DOCUMENTS. THAT'S HOW I'LL SEARCH FOR WHERE WE KIND OF CAPTURED THAT. UM, LET'S SEE. WE TALKED ABOUT THE 10 STABLE INSURERS. WE TALKED ABOUT PROMOTION, UM, WITH THE POSTCARDS. I HAVE VERY SPECIAL GIFT FOR YOU FOR CENTURY VILLAGES AT CARILLO. THANK YOU. AND THE VA LONG BEACH OF COURSE. AND CHAD IS, I MEAN, UM, CHARLES IS GONNA PLAY A MAJOR ROLE IN THAT. UH, AS I ALREADY REPORTED, WE'RE NOT DOING THE RECOGNITION CEREMONY THIS YEAR. UH, GUS OROZCO DID ASK IF CD NINE COUNCIL MEMBER COULD, AND THEIR STAFF COULD HELP US. THEY DON'T HAVE THE CAPACITY AGAIN TO, TO HELP US WITH THIS EVENT. SO IT'S GONNA BE WHAT IT'S GONNA BE BECAUSE I HAVE SO, SO FEW HOURS OF CAPACITY. SO, YOU KNOW, I JUST WANNA LET YOU ALL KNOW THAT. SO IT'S GONNA BE A LITTLE DIFFERENT THIS YEAR AND WE'RE DOING THE BEST THAT WE CAN ON OUR END TO, TO HAVE PEOPLE SHOW UP. BUT IT WILL SEND A MESSAGE TO THE CITY IS IF WE DON'T HAVE THE SUPPORT OF THE COUNCIL MEMBER'S OFFICE, UH, THERE MAY BE INTEREST IN, IN, IN RELOCATING THIS EVENT IN THE FUTURE. YEAH. THAT'S GONNA FURTHER MY CAUSE THAT SHE HAS NO RIGHT TO STOMP HER LITTLE FEET AND BE UPSET ABOUT IT IF WE DECIDE TO MOVE IT SOMEWHERE ELSE OR PARTNER WITH THE VA. 'CAUSE I'VE YET TO SEE HER OFFICE IN ALL THE YEARS I'VE BEEN HERE. WELL, THERE IS NO RECOGNITION CEREMONY, BUT THERE IS NO POLITICIAN. I'M NOT SAYING THAT TO SUPPORT IT AT ALL. YEAH. IT'S A, IT'S SAD 'CAUSE YOU THAT'S GONNA BE PART OF MY, PART OF THE CASE I MAKE FOR IT DOES. OH, AND THEN WITH REGARD ALSO, YOU AND I CAN TALK AFTER WHEN YOU'RE GONNA COME TO THE WAREHOUSE AND HOW YOU'RE DOING ON THE, UM, UH, YOU, ARE YOU GETTING PRIZES THIS YEAR FOR THE OPPORTUNITY DRAWINGS? I HAVEN'T REALLY GONE SHOPPING FOR THAT YET, BUT I'LL WELL, YOU GOT 'EM FROM REAL ESTATE AGENTS THOUGH, RIGHT? YEAH, I'M SAYING. OH, YOU SHOPPING IN QUOTES? NOT, YEAH, I WASN'T SURE WHAT WE WERE DOING. SO, SO AGAIN, I EMPHASIZE SO WE DON'T HAVE TO GO OVER EVERY DETAIL HERE, IS THAT WE CAN, WHEN WE ADJOURN THE MEETING, WE CAN, WE, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN COME UP TO ME INDIVIDUALLY AND SAY, YOU KNOW, LIKE FOR INSTANCE WITH KEN, I'D LIKE KEN TO SEND OUT A MESSAGE JUST SAYING WHO'S COMING, WHO'S GONNA STAFF THE TABLE WHEN? SO, YOU KNOW, SET UP BEGINS AT 10:00 AM THE EVENT STARTS AT NOON. SO I'D LIKE TO EACH ONE OF YOU TO TAKE A SHIFT AT THE OFFICE OF VETERANS SUPPORT BOOTH. SO THAT WOULD MEAN, YOU KNOW, 10:00 AM IS MORE SET UP OF THE WHOLE RESOURCES FAIR. 11 TO 12 WOULD BE SETTING UP OUR BOOTH, 12 TO ONE, ONE TO TWO, TWO TO THREE, THREE TO FOUR. THERE'S FOUR HOURS IN THE, IN THE EVENT. SO I WOULD REALLY LOVE TO KNOW, I'D LIKE TWO, TWO OF YOU AT THE TABLE EACH HOUR. SO AGAIN, THAT'LL BE AN EMAIL FROM KEN SAYING, WHAT, WHAT ARE YOU DOING? WHAT? AND UM, AND ALSO IF YOU HAVE, UH, ACCESS TO ANY SORT OF, UH, OPPORTUNITY DRAWING ITEM. COULD BE A GIFT CARD. GIMME AN OLD SHOE. I'M KIDDING. UM, SOMETHING, I, I HAVE GIFT CARDS GALORE IN MY HOUSE, SO I JUST OCCASIONALLY JUST DONATE THEM. SO THAT'S HOW WE KEEP OUR BOOTH BUSY. AND WE ALSO WILL BE, UM, FOR EXAMPLE, UH, DISPLAYING THE PICTURES OF THE BANNERS. EVEN THOSE BANNER POSTERS WE HAVE. SO IT'S A, IT'S A VERY LIVELY BOOTH. WE'RE IN A VERY GOOD LOCATION OF COURSE, BECAUSE WE CAN CHOOSE THE LOCATION THAT WE'RE IN. AND, AND I ENCOURAGE, YOU KNOW, EACH OF YOU TO, TO, UH, I WANNA SAY MAN, THE PEOPLE, THE BOOTH, UM, FOR AT LEAST AN HOUR. SO, AND AGAIN, THESE ARE MINUTE DETAILS WE CAN DISCUSS VIA EMAIL OR YOU CAN COME AND TALK TO ME, WHICH YOU CAN RIGHT AFTER IT'S FOUR HOURS. IT'S, YEAH. IF, IF YOU GO THE WHOLE THING, THINK OF IT AS 11 TO FOUR 11 BEING SET UP FOR BEING THE END OF THE EVENT. THE EVENT IS 12, THE MAN, THE BOOTH IS FOUR HOURS. WELL, YOU DON'T HAVE TO MAN THE BOOTH FOR THE ENTIRE FOUR HOURS. JUST, WE WANNA MAKE SURE TWO OF YOU, NOT ONE PERSON OR TWO PEOPLE. I'D LIKE TO HAVE TWO PEOPLE. YES. ARE WE GONNA HAVE GOODIES TO [00:20:01] PASS OUT? I MEAN, I, I'LL BRING SOMETHING FOR OPPORTUNITY. A GIFT CARD OR SOMETHING. RIGHT? RIGHT. EXACTLY. THAT SOUNDS GREAT. JUST BE IN TOUCH WITH KEN ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE CONTRIBUTING. UM, ALSO WE'LL HAVE GRANOLA BARS AND WATERS FOR THE, FOR THE, UM, FOR THE VOLUNTEERS AT THE EVENT. AND YOU KNOW, VOLUNTEERS MAY CHECK IN AT OUR TABLE. WE'LL DIRECT THEM, YOU KNOW, WE'LL HAVE WHO'S VOLUNTEERING FOR WHAT FROM THE COMMUNITY IN OUR BOOTH AS WELL. LIKE A LIST IF YOU LIKE, TELL, YOU KNOW, YOU MIGHT HAVE TO TELL PEOPLE, HEY, THEY NEED YOU OVER THERE, WHATEVER. SO I MEAN, UH, MOST OF YOU EXCEPT THAT THE NEWBIES HAVE ALREADY MANNED THE BOOTH OR PEAK OF THE BOOTH AND YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S ABOUT. STAFF STAFF'S, THE BOOTH STAFFED. THANKS. I COULD NOT COME UP WITH ANOTHER WORD. I TROUBLE WITH THAT. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT VETERAN'S DAY SATURDAY, NOVEMBER 7TH, 12 TO FOUR. THE SHIFTS ARE 11 TO FOUR. ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY. IS THAT EVERYTHING YOU NEED FOR VETERAN'S DAY? I THINK SO, YEAH. OKAY, COOL. YEAH. CAREFUL. WHAT'S YOUR ROLE GONNA END UP BEING WITH YOUR LIMITED TIME? I'M SORRY? WHAT'S YOUR ROLE OF GOING TO END UP BEING WITH THIS LIMITED TIMEFRAME? WELL, I WILL BE THERE THAT DAY. I'LL HAVE TO WORK OUT NOT NOT WORKING MUCH THE REST OF THE WEEK, BUT, OKAY, THAT'S COOL. TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT'S GOING ON. ASKING. I'M NOT PRESENTING THE EVENT TO CITY COUNCIL. UM, FOR EXAMPLE, THERE'S NO TIME FOR THAT. SO IT'S GONNA BE DJ ON STAGE DOING HIS THING. AND THEN THE SATIN DOLLS, THE ACTS WILL DO WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO. THEY'RE ON A SCHEDULE THAT'S BEEN SET UP BY EVENTS. RIGHT. SO EVENTS IS BASICALLY RUNNING EVERYTHING. RIGHT. THIS IS THEIR SHOW. WE'RE JUST GUESTS. RIGHT, EXACTLY. THEY'LL MAKE SOME ANNOUNCEMENTS ABOUT THE BOOTHS AND THE THINGS THAT THEY HAVE DONE IN THE PAST, BUT THEY'RE, BUT AGAIN, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO RECOGNITION. SIR. ARE THEY RESPONSIBLE TO DO THAT? YEAH, I, I PROVIDE THE SCRIPT. I'M JUST UPDATING LAST YEAR'S SCRIPT. OH NO, I'M SAYING FOR THE EVENTS PEOPLE, ARE THEY GONNA BE MAKING THE ANNOUNCEMENTS AND SUCH? NO, THE DJ WILL MAKE IT. OKAY. THE DJ WILL MAKE THE ANNOUNCEMENTS. RIGHT. OKAY. WE ALREADY HAVE A SCRIPT AND A RUN OF SHOW FOR LAST YEAR SO THAT I'M JUST GONNA UPDATE IT. OKAY. AND NOT DOING THE RECOGNITION CEREMONY MEANS A HELL OF A LOT LESS RESPONSIBILITY IN MY, MY CAR. MM-HMM . MAKING SURE THE POLITICIANS SHOW UP, MAKING, YOU KNOW, WRITING THE REMARKS FOR THE MAYOR. I DON'T HAVE TO DO ANY OF THAT. , WHAT ARE WE DOING IF THEY SHOW UP AND WANT TO, UM, I'M GONNA HAVE TO SPEAK WITH SPECIAL EVENTS ABOUT THAT BECAUSE ONCE THIS, THE RUN OF SHOW IS SET IN PLACE, UNLESS THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES SHOWS UP, I DON'T THINK WE CAN. WELL, I'M JUST SAYING STATE SOME, SOME OF OUR COUNCIL PEOPLE WHO ARE RUNNING FOR OFFICE AND STILL HAVE AN ELECTION DECIDE THEY WANT TO TRY TO SPEAK, UM, OR CD NINE OR THE CD NINE. 'CAUSE IT'S IN HER PARKING IN HER BACKYARD, DECIDE SHE WANTS TO GREET THE CROWD. AND I'LL, I'LL ASK SPECIAL EVENTS, JOHNNY. OKAY. THAT'S JUST A CONCERN BECAUSE IT'S, YEAH, NO, YOU'RE, THAT, THAT'S A GOOD POINT. I WILL BRING THAT UP. BECAUSE IF THEY WANT TO BE RECOGNIZED REC, IF A COUNCIL MEMBER WANTS TO REC BE RECOGNIZED FOR BEING PRESENT, I'LL JUST SAY, HOW DO WE WORK THAT? BECAUSE THAT'S A REALLY HARD, THAT BECOMES ONE OF OUR JOBS TO RUN UP TO THE SAGE AND GIVE THE, THE DJ IS STICKY THAT SAYS, BE SURE TO ANNOUNCE SO AND SO IS HERE. AND I, I DON'T THINK WE, I I DON'T THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE SHOULD DO, BUT IT'S, YOU KNOW, I'LL ASK ABOUT IT FOR SURE. OKAY. AND, AND THAT'S GREAT. THANKS FOR BRINGING THAT UP. ALRIGHT. I, I HAVE A QUESTION. IS IT OKAY? YEAH. I HAVE A QUESTION. THE PURPOSE OF THE VETERANS DAY CELEBRATION OVERALL COMMUNITY OUTREACH TO THE VETERANS. CORRECT. WE'RE DOING, WE'RE BRINGING COMPANIES HERE TO DO THE OUTREACH TO THE VETERANS. RIGHT? THAT IS OUR MAIN CONCERN AND OUR MAIN GOAL FOR THIS EVENT, FOR THE RESOURCES, FOR THIS RESOURCE, FOR THAT PIECE, FOR THAT PIECE OF IT, FOR THAT IT'S A GENERAL EVENT IS A CELEBRATE THE VETERANS DAY, YOU KNOW, CELEBRATE OUR VETERANS MUSIC, DJ, ET CETERA, ET CETERA. FOOD TRUCK. IS THERE GOING TO BE A FOOD TRUCK? THERE'LL BE FOOD, THERE'LL BE TWO FOOD TRUCKS. THERE'LL BE A BEER GARDEN AS LAST YEAR. THERE'LL BE THE KID ZONE. THERE'LL BE A, UM, UH, WHAT DO YOU CALL IT? THE, THE OBSTACLE COURSE. THAT'S, UH, WHAT DO BASIC TRAINING TYPE STYLE BOOTCAMP STYLE OBSTACLE COURSE. UM, THE KIDS OWN AS LIKE FACE PAINTING AND, YOU KNOW, UH, COLORING AND CRAFTS AND STUFF. SO IT'S, IT'S A WONDERFUL EVENT. IT'S, IT'S WELL ATTENDED, IT'S WELL ESTABLISHED. BUT WHAT MAKES IT WORK IS THE COMMISSION AND OUR OFFICE AT, YOU KNOW, MAKING SURE THE RESOURCES FAIR HAS A NICE MIX OF SERVICES AND, UM, RESOURCES FOR VETERANS. AND, UH, YOU KNOW, WE DID DO THE RECOGNITION CEREMONY, BUT WE'RE NOT DOING THAT THIS YEAR. SO THAT ANSWER, CAN WE DO SOMETHING ELSE AT THIS POINT? WE'RE NOT GONNA DO THE RECOGNITION AT THIS POINT. NO. OR JUST LEAVE [00:25:01] IT ALONE? I'M I, YEAH. AT THIS POINT, NO. IT, IT'S, I MEAN, I HATE TO SAY IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT SENDING THE MESSAGE, BUT IF I DON'T HAVE MORE THAN 13 HOURS A WEEK, I CAN'T ORGANIZE IT. AND IF WE WERE TO DO IT, IT WOULD BE ON ONE OF YOU TO DO IT. IT'S ONLY TWO WEEKS A WEEK. SO THAT DOESN'T SEEM, WHAT WERE YOU THINKING? I'M JUST TRYING TO THINK IF WE'RE GONNA DO SOMETHING ON VETERAN'S DAY, WHICH PROBABLY ON WEDNESDAY, YOU MEAN? YEAH, YEAH. THIS IS AS CLOSE AS WE GOT. YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT. MAYBE NEXT YEAR. OKAY. NO, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE YOU'RE YEAH. YEAH. YOU'VE BEEN HEARD . COOL. WITH ENOUGH HOURS. I CAN MOVE MOUNTAINS BUT NOT GOT IT. I CAN ONLY MOVE DIRTY. UM, ANY PUBLIC COMMENT I DO. GO FOR IT. UM, I GO TO A LOT OF PATRIOTIC EVENTS IN, UH, WESTMINSTER AND, UH, GARDEN GROVE AND OTHER CITY TOWNS COUNTY. AND IN ALMOST ALL OF THEIR EVENTS, THEY INVITE ELECTED OFFICIALS TO COME OUT AND SPEAK ABOUT WHAT THAT DAY MEANS. THEY HAVE A KEYNOTE SPEAKER. EVERY COUNCIL MEMBER CAME OUT, MAYOR COME OUT, THE CHIEF OF POLICE COME OUT. THEY ALL SAID A FEW WORDS. AND IT SEEMS TO ME THAT VETERANS NEED RECOGNITION SHOULD BE MORE THAN JUST A FLEET OF TRUCKS SELLING FAST FOOD. HOW ABOUT WHAT TODAY MEANS? WHY DO WE HAVE VETERANS DAY? IT ISN'T JUST TO HAVE A A FESTIVAL, IT'S TO SPEAK AND REMEMBER THOSE WHO SERVE THIS COUNTRY. AND IT SEEMS TO ME LIKE WE'RE SAYING HERE, YOU DON'T WANT THAT. YOU DON'T WANT ANYONE SPEAKING JUST COME AND GET TOGETHER AND HAVE A FEW MEALS. AND I THINK WE COULD BE BETTER THAN THAT. I'M JUST A CITIZEN HERE. BUT, UH, ORANGE COUNTY, THEY GO ALL OUT. THEY RECOGNIZE THEIR VETERANS FOR ALL THEIR PATRIOTIC HOLIDAYS. MEMORIAL DAY, UH, VETERAN'S DAY, UH, 4TH OF JULY, THIS CITY, WE'RE VERY, VERY WEAK. WE CAN DO A MUCH BETTER JOB THAN THAT DOWN THERE. THEY FLY AMERICAN FLAGS AND ALL THE POLES DOWN THE STREETS. THEY DO A LOT OF THINGS. WE DO SOME THINGS HERE, BUT I THINK WE CAN DO MUCH BETTER. THAT'S JUST MY OPINION. WELL, THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. ALL THE ROLL COMMISSIONER. GOOD. UH, AYE. COMMISSIONER REMAN? AYE. COMMISSIONER SEC. CAN I ABSTAIN? I HAVE TO SAY YES OR NO. YES. YES. COMMISSIONER VARGAS. AYE. VICE CHAIR ATKINS BELIEVE. YES. CHAIR MARTIN. AYE. MOTION CARRIES. ALRIGHT, CAN I POINT OF ORDER. IS THERE A REASON WHY YOU COULDN'T ABSTAIN? UH, WE HAVE BEEN ADVISED BY THE CITY ATTORNEY THAT YOU ARE, SHOULD NOT BE ABSTAINING. UM, HE HEARD THE PRESENTATION AND HAS ALL THE INFORMATION, SO HE SHOULD BE GOT IT. SO IF THERE'S A CONFLICT OF INTEREST, YOU HAVE TO RECUSE YOURSELF AND I'LL PARTICIPATE YES. IF THANK YOU. CONFLICT INTEREST. GOT IT. UM, THANK YOU. THE ONLY TIME THAT IT WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE TO ABSTAIN IS IF YOU DIDN'T HEAR THE PRESENTATION. OKAY. SO THE EXAMPLE WOULD BE THE MINUTES IF YOU WEREN'T PRESENT, IF YOU WEREN'T PRESENT AT THE PREVIOUS MEETING. NO, YOU CAN VOTE ON IT AS LONG AS YOU RECEIVE THE MINUTES. IN YOUR OPINION, HOW WOULD YOU KNOW IF THEY'RE ACCURATE? YOU WOULD REVIEW THE MINUTES IN THE PACKET IF YOU WEREN'T THERE. THERE'S A VIDEO. OKAY. ALRIGHT. UM, CAN I GET A MOTION ON SECOND, ON NUMBER FOUR, RECOMMENDATION TO DISCUSS AND DESIGNATE A COMMISSIONER REPRESENTATIVE TO REPRESENT THE COMMISSION IN OUTREACH AND COMMUNICATION FOR THE MAYOR'S MAYOR, MAYOR AND THE CITY COUNCIL REGARDING THE CITY COUNCIL'S ADOPTION OF FY 27 BUDGET, ET CETERA. I'M GONNA GET A MOTION ON A SECOND. ON MOTION SECOND. ALL RIGHT. NOW WE CAN GET IT. UM, WOULD YOU WANNA GO AHEAD, JIM? YEAH. UM, WHAT YOU ALREADY TOUCHED ON BRIEFLY IS THAT THE ORIGINAL WAY THAT WE SUBMITTED A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNSEL WAS THROUGH A LETTER AND WITH A, UH, A MEMO ON TOP OF IT EXPLAINING WHAT THE LETTER IS ABOUT. THAT WAS SIGNED BY, UH, THE DEPARTMENT HEAD. AND WHEN WE DISCUSS WHAT THE CLERK'S OFFICE, WHAT THE, THE RIGHT WAY TO DO THIS IS, IT'S STILL A LETTER THAT COMES FROM, FROM THE COMMISSION AND COULD BE SUBMITTED JUST FROM THE COMMISSION, BUT IT WOULD NEVER BE SUBMITTED WITHOUT THE DEPARTMENT HEAD KNOWING ABOUT IT. BUT WE'RE JUST, WHAT, WHAT KIM WAS SAYING IS THAT WE'RE GOING BACK TO THE ORIGINAL WAY THAT WE'VE DONE IT IN THE PAST. SO THE LETTER STILL HAS TO BE, YOU KNOW, POLISHED UP AND, UM, YOU KNOW, FOCUSED, YOU KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, THE, THE, HOW THIS, HOW MY HOURS BEING CUT IS AFFECTING THE COMMISSION IN THE OFFICE. MIGHT BE, MIGHT [00:30:01] BE MORE EMPHASIZED. SO, SO THERE WILL BE ANOTHER, EITHER ANOTHER SPECIAL MEETING. UM, THE AD HOC COMMITTEE WILL, WILL CONTINUE TO POLISH THE LETTER. 'CAUSE THE LETTER REALLY DOES NEED TO COME TO THE COMMISSION, BE REVIEWED BY THE DIRECTOR. UH, I WILL WRITE THE MEMO THAT GOES ON TOP AND GIVE HER APPROVAL. BUT SHE'LL, SHE'LL BE FULLY PRIZED AS WAS ALWAYS THE, THE CA THE, THE CASE. AND THEN I JUST ASK ALL OF YOU TO, IF YOU ARE GOING TO CONTACT YOUR COUNCIL MEMBER, 'CAUSE THE, WHAT WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT IN THE LAST MEETING IS THAT LET'S GET THIS LETTER, YOU KNOW, KIND OF READY TO GO BEFORE WE START REACHING OUT TO COUNCIL MEMBERS. AND ONCE THE LETTER GOES OUT, THEN WE WOULD BE REACHING OUT TO COUNCIL MEMBERS. SO OUR ORIGINAL INTENT WAS TO HAVE THE LETTER IN GOOD ENOUGH SHAPE FOR YOU ALL TO REVIEW IT. BUT WHEN WE DO THAT, WE HAVE TO POST THAT LETTER PUBLICLY. BUT I, BUT WE COULDN'T POST IT PUBLICLY WITHOUT THE FULL KNOWLEDGE IN SUPPORT OF A BAR. SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED. THAT'S WHY WE DON'T HAVE THE LETTER . AND I THINK IT'S JUST, UH, YOU KNOW, WE DID THIS BEFORE IN A DIFFERENT WAY. WE HAD DIFFERENT PIECES OF ADVICE AND WE, WE MOVED FORWARD, BUT WE, IT IS NOT POSTED PUBLICLY. IT'S NOT DONE YET. BUT WE WILL GET THIS LETTER DONE AND HAVE, HAVE IT REVIEWED BY OUR DEPARTMENT AND THEN REVIEWED. SO I JUST WANTED TO EXPLAIN. SO IT'S FROM THE DEPARTMENT HEAD. SHE JUST PUTS A MEMO ON TOP. SHE JUST, SHE'S JUST APPROVING THAT IT'S BEING TRANSMITTED. THE LETTER COMES FROM YOU. THIS IS LIKE A COVER PAGE. OKAY. SO THIS IS EXACTLY HOW WE DID THIS TWO YEARS AGO OR IN, IN THE SUMMER OF 2020. BUT THE COUNCIL LETTER IS STILL FROM THE COMMISSION TO THE COUNCIL. THAT'S RIGHT. IT'S STILL TO, IT'S STILL FROM YOU TO THE COUNCIL THAT THE MAYOR AND THE CITY MANAGER. IT'S JUST A, A DEPARTMENT HEAD. IT'S EXACTLY HOW WE DID IT IN 2025. AND THE ITEM IS TO DESIGNATE A MEMBER TO REPRESENT THE COMMISSION BEFORE. AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT THE AD HOC IN THE LETTER AND THE AD HOC. OKAY, GOT IT. I FORGOT WHAT THIS WAS ABOUT. I , THERE'S SO MANY WORDS IN IT. WHEN IS THIS GONNA GET PRESENTED? WHEN ARE WE, WHEN TIME WE THINKING ABOUT PRESENTING THIS? OR DO WE NEED ANOTHER APPROVAL FOR ANOTHER MEETING FOR NOVEMBER? THAT'S WHAT I WAS SAYING. MEETING, WE'LL SCHEDULE ANOTHER SPECIAL MEETING OR APPROVE IT IN NOVEMBER. THE MAIN THING IS THE CONTENT OF LETTER, BUT THIS IS NOT WHAT THIS I, I ADDED THAT DETAIL. BUT WE, WHAT, RIGHT NOW WE'RE, WE'RE SELECTING SOMEONE TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE COMMISSION. SO HOW THIS IS DIFFERENT THAN, THAN LAST TIME IS, IS LAST TIME WE, WE CREATED AN AD HOC COMMITTEE TO WORK ON THE, ON THE, ON THE LETTER. WHAT THIS IS AT, WHAT THIS IS SAYING IS WE DESIGNATED COMMISSIONER TO DO THAT TO INDEPENDENTLY NOT THE LETTER TO SPEAK ON BEHALF. OH. TO SPEAK. OKAY. GOT IT. WELL, WE CAN'T SPEAK BECAUSE, WELL NOT YET, BUT WE'RE, THEY'RE NOT TAKING PUBLIC COMMENT ANYMORE, RIGHT? THEY, NO, IT'S 90 SECONDS. SO, SO JUST READ, YOU CAN HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT. THEY'RE ALL AT THE BEGINNING AND THEY'RE ALL 90 SECONDS INSTEAD OF THREE MINUTES. THAT'S THE NEW RULE. SO IF WE LINE UP BEHIND EACH OTHER, WE COULD EACH DO A PIECE OF IT. SO IT SAYS DESIGNATED COMMISSIONER TO REPRESENT THE COMMISSION IN OUTREACH AND COMMUNICATIONS TO THE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL. SO THIS IS AFTER THE LETTER IS APPROVED AND GOES OUT, WE WANT TO KEEP IT IN THEIR MINDS. SO, YOU KNOW, IF YOU DESIGNATE A COMMISSIONER TO GO OUT AND MEET WITH THE THINGS, IT, IT, YOU CAN JOIN THEM, BUT YOU'RE THE, THE COMMISSIONER'S SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF THE COMMISSIONER, WHOEVER YOU SELECT OF THE COMMISSION, YOU CAN JOIN THAT COMMISSIONER, BUT YOU'RE SPEAKING ON YOUR OWN BEHALF. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? SO SAY KEN IS THE ONE THAT YOU SELECT AND CHAD, YOU WANT TO GO WITH HIM TO MEET WITH COUNCIL MEMBERS, ZENDEJAS OR WHATEVER YOU'RE SPEAKING ON YOUR OWN BEHALF. HE'S SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF COMMISSIONER THAT I'M, I'M, I'M STILL, I'M STILL CONFUSED HOW THIS, HOW THIS RELATES TO THE LETTER. SO THE LETTER'S GONNA GO UP FIRST. THAT'S A SEPARATE ITEM. I I UNDERSTAND THAT. MM-HMM . BUT, BUT IN THIS CONVERSATION IT WAS, IT WAS ABOUT, IT WAS ABOUT THE LETTER DIDN'T HAPPEN BECAUSE WE NEEDED TO DO THIS FIRST. WELL, I, I KIND OF MESSED UP ON THAT. I, OKAY, LOOK, THIS IS STRICTLY, THAT'S NOT CORRECT. WHAT THE MOTION IS HERE IS WHO WILL SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE COMMISSION ABOUT THIS, THIS ISSUE. THIS ISSUE. RIGHT. OKAY. AND SO LET'S JUST CUT TO THE YEAH, WE'LL JUST, WE'LL, WE MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ITEM. AND SO THE NEXT, THE NEXT ITEM, WE'LL, WE'LL FIND OUT ABOUT WHY THE LETTER DIDN'T HAPPEN, RIGHT? CAN WE JUST, WE CAN TALK ABOUT THE AD HOC COMMISSION OR COMMITTEE, WHICH TALK ABOUT THE LETTER FIRST AND THEN, SORRY, THIS SO CONFUSING JUST FOR A Q. UM, IT, THIS'LL JUST BE, TAKE WHO'S GONNA DO IT? THAT'S ALL. SO THEN WE'LL GO INTO THE WHOLE DISCUSSION OF, OR YOU LOOKING, THINKING, WANTING TO DO IT AND YOU WANT TO KNOW WHAT YOU'RE GETTING INTO. [00:35:02] GOT IT. OKAY. OKAY. I AM GOING TO, AM I ABLE TO TABLE THIS FOR THE MOMENT? MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ITEM AND COME BACK TO IT? UM, WE ALREADY HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR, SO I BELIEVE THAT SINCE WE HAD DISCUSSION THAT WE, YOU COULD, UH, CHOOSE TO, UM, MOVE IT TO ANOTHER MEETING AFTER THIS DISCUSSION. NO, BUT NOT DURING TODAY. THIS OKAY. JUST, I'M HAPPY TO HAVE YOU IF YOU WANT . NO, NO. UM, WE STILL NEED A REPRESENTATIVE, SO IT DOESN'T MATTER. YEAH, I, YEAH, I HAVE CLARITY NOW. I'M, I'M, YEAH, YEAH. OKAY. WE CLEAR? NO, I I I'M THE SAME QUESTION. YOU DO. NO, NO. THAT COOL. SHOULD HAVE BEEN FLOPPED. SHOULD HAVE GONE THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION. YEAH. I'M, I'M, I'M CLEAR ON THIS RECOMMENDATION. OKAY. UM, YEAH, I'M STILL A LITTLE CONFUSED AS WHEN THIS REPRESENTATIVE IS GONNA SPEAK AND SPEAK TO, YOU'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT AT THE COUNCIL MEETING. IT COULD BE AT COUNCIL, IT COULD BE IN THEIR OFFICE. IT COULD BE IN GENERAL ON THIS SUBJECT UNTIL IT'S RESOLVED ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. WELL, AT THE COUNCIL MEETING, WE CAN ALL SPEAK AS INDIVIDUALS, RIGHT? YEAH. THIS ONE WOULD BE SPEAKING AS A, AS THE COMMISSIONER OR AS THE CHAIR OF ON, ON BEHALF OF THE REST OF THE COMMISSION. YEAH. SO THEN TECHNICAL, I'M JUST THINKING A NORMAL COUNT, THERE'S USUALLY A STAFF MEMBER WHO GIVES A SHORT REPORT. WOULD THAT BE GINA OR WOULD THAT BE SOMEONE FROM THE COMMISSION AT THE COUNCIL MEETING? YOU KNOW, THE, IT'S, THERE'S USUALLY A, IF NECESSARY A STAFF MEMBER, YOU KNOW, GIVES A SHORT REPORT. A SYNOPSIS. YEAH. YEAH. A SYNOPSIS. SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WITH THE PERSON WHO DOES THAT. NO, NO. WELL, WHO'S GONNA DO THAT THEN? DON'T KNOW YET. WE'RE NOT, THAT'S PROBABLY TWO MEETINGS FROM NOW. JUST BECAUSE THE TIME IS GONNA, AND THERE MAY NOT BE A STAFF REPORT. THERE MAY NOT, WE MAY NOT BE ASKED TO DO A STAFF REPORT. OH YEAH. SO, BUT WE JUST NEED TO KNOW WHO IS GONNA REPRESENT THE COMMISSION IN CONVERSATION AT COUNCIL, WITH COUNCIL MEMBERS WITH THE MAYOR IN A FORMAL CAPACITY. THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE DECIDING. OKAY. SO I'M, I'M STILL CONFUSED. WE, WE WE'RE ALL IN DIFFERENT COUNCIL DISTRICTS. SO IF WE CHOOSE, LET'S SAY KEN, TO BE THAT PERSON, THAT MEANS I CAN'T TALK TO MY COUNCIL PERSON. NO, YOU CAN TALK TO YOUR COUNCIL PERSON AS AN INDIVIDUAL COMMUNITY MEMBER. NOT ON BEHALF OF OH, NOT ON BEHALF OF A COMMUNITY. YEAH. YOU CAN TALK TO WHOEVER YOU WANT AS WHO YOU ARE AS A PERSON, BUT AS A COMMISSIONER, THIS WE CAN ONLY PICK ONE PERSON TO REPRESENT. BUT I THINK HE COULD, BUT I THINK HE COULD TALK TO HIS COUNCIL PERSON AS HER COMMISSIONER REPRESENTATIVE. GOT IT. WE DO IT FOR EVERYBODY. EVERY, ANY OTHER, ANY OTHER ISSUE. YOU CAN TALK TO HIM ABOUT IT. SO I CAN'T GO TO MY COUN IF I WEREN'T THE PERSON AND I COULD, I COULD NOT GO TO MY COUNCIL PERSON WHO APPOINTED ME AS AN INDIVIDUAL. YOU COULD, BUT NOT AS THEIR COMMISSION, NOT AS THE REPRESENTATIVE OF THE COMMISSION. OH, NO, NO. AS ME AS A MEMBER OF THE NOT REPRESENTING THE, AS A MEMBER OF THAT WOULD BE REPRESENTING THE COMMISSION. IT, IT'S, IT'S LIKE, IT IT SOUNDS LIKE AN, AN INFERENCE THAT, THAT YOU'RE SHOWING UP AS, AS A COMMISSIONER. THEREFORE YOU'RE SPEAKING FOR THE COMMISSION WHEN YOU SHOW UP. KINDA LIKE WHAT YOU SAID, WHAT YOU SAID AT A PREVIOUS MEETING IS, IS, IS I'M HERE AS A, AS A PRIVATE CITIZEN. BUT THEY KNOW THAT YOU'RE THE COMMISSION. YEAH. YEAH. THAT'S FINE. SEMANTICS. I'M, IT'S SEMANTICS. I KNOW I NEED CAN TO BE OUR REPRESENTATIVE SINCE HE IS OUR JEREMY. ME TOO. THANKS. THAT'S FINE. I THINK WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE SECOND RIGHT. MOTION. SECOND. AND A MOTION SECOND. WELL, SO THIS WOULD BE A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT TO THE MOTION THAT'S ON THE FLOOR. SO COMMISSIONER VARGAS AS THE MAKER OF THE MOTION, DO YOU AGREE THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO AMEND IT TO INCLUDE, UH, HAVING CHAIR OSBORNE AS THE REPRESENTATIVE OF THE COMMISSION? OKAY. SO LET, LET ME JUST MAKE SURE THAT I UNDERSTAND THIS. 'CAUSE THE MOTION ITSELF IS RECOMMENDATION TO DISCUSS AND DESIGNATE MM-HMM . SO ISN'T THE DESIGNATION PROCESS PART OF THE MOTION? WE WOULD JUST INCLUDE IN THE RECOMMENDATION WHO SPECIFICALLY. SO THAT'S WHAT THE AMENDMENT IS, WHO SPECIFICALLY IS REPRESENTED. OKAY. SO, SO THIS, SO THIS TYPE OF MOTION IS INTENDED TO BE AMENDED? YES. THANK YOU. UH, YES. I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THAT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. PUBLIC COMMENT. SEEING NONE, HEARING NONE. CALL ROLL. DO WE NEED [00:40:01] TO RESTATE THE, RESTATE THE, THE MOTION WITH THE, WITH THE AMENDMENT? IF YOU WOULD LIKE ME TO, I CAN, BUT PLEASE. SO IT'S RECOMMENDATION TO DISCUSS AND DESIGNATE COMMISSIONER AS THE WHOLE ENTIRE THING, UH, TO APPROVE RECOMMENDATION AS AMENDED TO APPOINT CHAIR OSBORNE AS REPRESENTATIVE OF THE, UM, COMMISSION AROUND THE, REGARDING THE CITY COUNCIL'S ADOPTION OF FISCAL YEAR 2027 BUDGET AS IT RELATES TO JURISDICTION AFFAIRS COMMISSION, INCLUDING THE BUDGET AND ALL OF THE REST OF THE ATION. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UH, COMMISSIONER GOODEN? UH, I AM, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER. AYE. COMMISSIONER TECH? AYE. COMMISSIONER VARGAS? AYE. COMMISSIONER ATKINS LATE. AYE. YES. CHAIR HOR. SURE. . MOTION CARRIES. KEN, IF YOU ACTUALLY DO END UP VISITING COUNCIL OFFICES, I'LL DEFINITELY, I VOLUNTEER. CONTACT YOUR BACKUP. THERE YOU GO. WELL, IT'S, IT'D BE GOOD IF I DO TO GO GO TO AN INDIVIDUAL COUNCIL PERSON, LIKE TRYING TO GET THE THREE PEOPLE TO HAVE THAT OTHER PERSON WITH ME. 'CAUSE THEY CAN HELP IF I DON'T KNOW THAT PERSON. MAKE IT A LITTLE MORE SIMPLE. YOU TAKE THE VOTE. WE NOT HAVE ANY MORE DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT. ALRIGHT. ALL RIGHT. OKAY. THANKS. ALL RIGHT. WE NEED A MOTION AND A SECOND ON RECOMMEND RECEIVING FILE REPORT FROM CURRENT AD HOC COMMITTEE. DISCUSS ANTICIPATED AD HOC COMMITTEE FOR UPCOMING PROJECTS, IF APPROPRIATE TO DISSOLVE ANY AD HOC COMMITTEES. THAT DOESN'T REALLY COVER WHAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO, WELL, I GUESS WE'RE DISCUSSING AN AD HOC COMMITTEE, SO, OKAY. THIS IS WHERE WE'RE GONNA DISCUSS ALL THAT. CAN GET A MOTION ON A SECOND PLEASE. MOTION SECOND. ALL RIGHT. UM, YOU WANT TO, MAYBE YOU CAN EXPLAIN A LITTLE FURTHER WHAT HAPPENED. SO, WELL, I, I DID PREVIOUSLY, ARE YOU GUYS FEELING OKAY OF UNDERSTANDING WHAT HAPPENED? NO. NO. OKAY. WELL, NOT ONE BIT. I'LL REPEAT MYSELF. UM, BASICALLY WE, YOU AS THE COMMISSION HAVE A RECOMMENDATION ABOUT RESTORING MY POSITION TO AT LEAST FULL-TIME. I MEAN PART-TIME, BUT, SO THAT'S WHAT THE PUBLIC HEALTH PROFESSIONAL THREE POSITION IN THE OFFICE OF VETERANS SUPPORT IS. SO THERE WERE A COUPLE OF VERSIONS OF THE LETTER WRITTEN BY THE AD HOC COMMITTEE BETWEEN THE SPECIAL MEETING AND TONIGHT. AND AT THE LAST MEETING, UH, WE ASKED THE, THE CLERK'S, OFFICE REPRESENTATIVES HOW WE SUBMIT THIS LETTER. AND, UH, THE ADVICE THAT WE GOT THAT WE COULD JUST SUBMIT IT AS THE COMMISSION, UM, MEANT THAT THE DRAFT WAS GONNA GO TO THE PUBLIC, RIGHT. BECAUSE WHATEVER WE REVIEW HAS TO BE TRANSPARENT TO THE PUBLIC. WELL, IT, IT WASN'T QUITE READY, IT STILL NEEDS TO BE EDITED, ET CETERA. BUT WE NEED TO DO THIS LETTER JUST LIKE WE DID THE LETTERS IN 2025. SO THAT MEANS WE WRITE THE LETTER, IT'LL BE VIEWED BY MY DEPARTMENT. MY DEPARTMENT IS FULLY, AND, YOU KNOW, FULLY KNOWS WHAT WE'RE GONNA SUBMIT. SO WE, IT'S STILL ON YOU GUYS TO CREATE THIS LETTER AND DO IT IN, YOU KNOW, WITH THE RIGHT LANGUAGE, THE RIGHT FORMAT. AND WE'VE WRITTEN TWO OF THESE LETTERS BEFORE MY DEPARTMENT AND MY DEPARTMENT HEAD HAS TO JUST REVIEW IT AND, AND, AND SIGN THE MEMO THAT GOES ON TOP OF IT. IT'S CALLED A TRANSMITTAL MEMO. SO IT SOUNDS MORE COMPLICATED THAN IT IS. UH, SO DOES IT HAVE TO HAVE THE TRANSMITTAL MEMO BEFORE IT COMES TO US TO REVIEW AND APPROVE? NOT NECESSARILY, BUT AT LEAST THE, THE SUPERVISOR NEEDS TO SEE IT AND, AND NO, NO. I THINK YOU MISUNDERSTOOD. OKAY. AS THE, AS THE AD HOC, WE WILL, WE WILL PRODUCE THE FINAL VERSION, RIGHT, WHICH WILL GO TO GINA, WHICH WILL GET A COVER LETTER FROM HEALTH AND THEN BE TRANSMITTED UP TO THE CITY. YEAH. THEY'RE NOT TOUCHING THE LETTER. WE, WE PRODUCE THE LETTER IN CONJUNCTION WITH GINA FOR FORMAT AND ALL THAT HAPPY STUFF THAT THE CITY WANTS, HOW IT'S SUPPOSED TO LOOK AND WHAT FORM IT GOES ON. AND IF IT'S SIGNED IN BLOOD OR NOT, OR SO THE, BUT THE, THE ENTIRE COMMISSION DOESN'T GET A CHANCE TO REVIEW IT AND APPROVE IT. OH, OKAY. I SEE, I SEE WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM. YEAH, THAT'S THE POINT. GINA. I'M SORRY. WHAT HE'S SAYING IS IT'S GONNA HAVE THE, THE AD HOC COMMITTEE WOULD PRODUCE IT IN THE INTERIM, IN THE, IN THE, IN BETWEEN. THEN IT WOULD COME TO OUR NOVEMBER MEETING, BE VOTED ON BY THE WHOLE REVIEWED AND VOTED ON AMENDED IF NECESSARY BY THE ENTIRE COMMISSION. MM-HMM . THEN IT WOULD GO FORWARD CORRECTED FINAL VERSION TO HEALTH, HEALTH WOULD PUT A COVER LETTER ON, LOOK AT IT, REVIEW IT, PUT A COVER LETTER ON IT OUT, IT GOES RIGHT. BUT THE LETTER HAS TO BE FINALIZED AND [00:45:01] REVIEWED BY ALLISON BEFORE IT'S GONNA BE REVIEWED BY THE COMMISSION. RIGHT? RIGHT. NO. OKAY. YEAH, I'M CONFUSED. YEAH, THE PROCESS IS DONE AT THE MEETING UHHUH AND THEN YOU NEED TO SEND IT TO ALLISON. ALL SHE'S DOING IS SENDING IT TO THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE. RIGHT. AND THEN IT WILL BE SENT OUT AS A TF. OKAY. SO THE, I THOUGHT THE PROBLEM WAS THAT, I THOUGHT THE PROBLEM WAS THE LETTER GOING OUT IN THE, IN OUR AGENDA TO THE PUBLIC WITHOUT ALLISON ALREADY REVIEWING IT. NO, THAT WAS NOT THE PROBLEM. OH, OKAY. WHAT WAS THE PROBLEM THEN? THE PROBLEM WAS THE FINAL VERSION OF THE LETTER WE GOT HAD CITY MANAGER APPROVAL ON IT. OH. IT HAD FORMAT BUDGET REVIEW. IT LOOKED LIKE A STAFF REPORT AND IT NEEDS TO BE A LETTER FROM THE COMMISSION, NOT INCLUDING CITY MANAGER APPROVAL OR BUDGET REVIEW. BECAUSE IT WAS SO CONFUSING ON OUR END BECAUSE I GOT THAT, YOU KNOW, A MESSAGE FROM, FROM, UH, TYLER CURLEY SAYING THAT THE, THAT THERE WAS NONCONFORMANCE WITH THE LETTER AND HOW HE EVEN GOT THE LETTER IN THE FIRST PLACE IS A MYSTERY TO ME. 'CAUSE THERE WAS TOM MOCA'S APPROVAL SIGNATURE AND BUDGET REVIEW WAS ON THE LETTER. WE HAD TO SAY, IS THIS SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE APPROVING? AND THEY SAID NO, I THINK THERE WAS CONFUSION. IT NOW BECAME A STAFF REPORT WHEN IT SHOULD HAVE JUST BEEN A LETTER FROM THE COMMISSION. THAT LETTER COULD HAVE BEEN APPROVED AT THE COMMISSION. YOU THEN SENT IT TO ALLISON, SHE SENDS IT TO TYLER PERFORMANCE. SO IT IS OKAY TO ATTACH TO THE AGENDA. IT'S OKAY FOR THE COMMISSION TO COMPLETE IT, SIGN IT. SO THIS IS THE FORMATTING OF THE LETTER. IT WAS THE FORMATTING AND THE ADDITIONAL SIGNATURES THAT GOT PUT ON THE LETTER THAT BECAME THE ISSUE. GOT IT. OKAY. SO IT'S NOT FOR ALARM FIRE LIKE IT? NO, I THINK IT THAT JUST TRIGGERED UM, THEM TO QUESTION ABOUT THE LETTER BECAUSE FORMAT. OKAY. THE FORMATTING HAD THEIR APPROVAL ON IT AND LETTERS FROM COMMISSIONS DO NOT REQUIRE CITY MANAGER APPROVAL OR BUDGET REVIEW. YEAH. OKAY. AND THAT, THAT WAS, THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS ADVICE. WE GOT DIFFERENT ADVICE FROM DIFFERENT PEOPLE SO THAT THE ORIGINAL VERSION WAS A LETTER AND THEN IT WAS TRANSFORMED INTO SOMETHING THAT LOOKED MORE LIKE STAFF. SO WE'LL GET, WE'LL BECAUSE WE'VE DONE THIS BEFORE, WE'LL JUST REFORM. SO, SO IN, IN OUR, JUST CLARIFY. SO IN OUR USE OF TWEET, WE USED TRIGGER WORDS AND NOT INTENTIONALLY, BUT PEOPLE TOOK THEM AS TRIGGER WORDS IN OUR TEXT IN HOW WE WROTE IT. AND THOSE ARE SOMEHOW THEY GOT IT. AND THE TRIGGER WORDS GOT THEM, WHAT LETTER DID WE SHARE? WHAT LETTER ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? WE DON'T, WE REALLY DON'T KNOW HOW HE GOT A COPY. THEY GOT A COPY OF HOW, WHAT THE READ THE, THE TRUTH IS OF HOW THINGS GOT THERE. SOMEHOW, TOM, SOMEHOW PEOPLE ABOVE GOT A COPY OF IT. SO WE DON'T KNOW THAT. AND IT'S NOT, IT'S IT'S NEITHER HERE NOR THERE AT THAT POINT. IT'S NEITHER HERE NOR THERE. I WANT TO SEE THE LETTER THAT GOT SENT OUT. JUST JUST THINK OF IT THIS WAY BECAUSE I I IS THAT IT WAS ORIGINALLY WRITTEN LETTER LIKE, DEAR SO AND SO, HE JUST WANTS TO SEE COPIES OF WHAT WE, WHAT WE WERE I KNOW RIGHT NOW I NO YOU CAN'T. SO YOU CAN EMAIL HIM A COPY OF WHAT WE GOT. IS THAT WHAT GOT SENT OUT? THE ONE JIM'S, JIM'S UPDATE WAS THE LAST VERSION. 'CAUSE WE AGREED THAT WE WERE GONNA USE YOUR VERSION AND IT GOT SENT OUT. SO IT GOT SENT OUT TO THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE. BECAUSE AGAIN, EVERYTHING WE DO HAS TO BE TRANSPARENT. SO IF NO, I GET, I GET IT, I GET ALL THAT. I'M EXPLAINING THIS TO CARLOS. SO, SO EVERYTHING, THE COMMISSION WE'VE USED, IF IT INVOLVES A DOCUMENT, THAT DOCUMENT HAS TO BE PUBLIC FACING IN THE NAME OF TRANSPARENCY, THAT GROWN ACT. WE CAN'T JUST REVIEW A LETTER THAT HAS NOT GROWN OUT WITH THE AGENDA, THAT'S ALL. BUT IT WAS BY THE, BY THE, WHAT WE, WHAT WAS SUBMITTED TO YOU WAS NO LONGER A LETTER. IT WAS THE FORMAT OF A STAFF REPORT. SO THE FORMAT NEEDED TO BE THERE. THERE WAS NO PHONE MOTIVE, A SIGNATURE, THERE WAS SOMETHING INTIMATING THAT HE'D APPROVED IT AND THE CITY, THE BUDGET OFFICER. AND, AND THAT'S THE STEP OF A STAFF REPORT. SO IT WAS SIMPLY THE WRONG FORMAT. BUT NOW YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO STRENGTHEN THIS LETTER. OKAY, I GOT, I GOT THAT JIM. IF, IF I'M RIGHT, I'M STILL GONNA UNDERSTAND IF WE, IF WE'RE ASKING THE CITY COUNCIL TO CHANGE THE BUDGET, WHY THE BUDGET OFFICE DOESN'T LOOK AT IT TO SAY YES, THAT MAKES SENSE. THAT DOESN'T, YOU KNOW, WE SAID IT'S BUDGET NEUTRAL. IS IT BUDGET NEUTRAL ONLY? THE ONLY THE BUDGET OFFICE CAN REALLY SAY THAT IT'S BUDGET NEUTRAL. WE'RE DECLARING THAT IT IS, BUT YOU KNOW, WE'LL HAVE TO USE, WE CAN USE THE WORDS WE CONSIDER. YEAH, BUT THAT'S WHY I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY IT DOESN'T GO TO THE BUDGET OFFICE. BUT, OKAY, SO IT WOULD BE HIS, HIS JOB AS CITY MANAGER TO SEND IT TO THE BUDGET OFFICE TO GET THE BLESSING OF WHATEVER THAT IS. HE CAN INCLUDE IN HIS, YOU KNOW, TFS PART IS PART OF THE MEMO. UM, [00:50:01] AND REACH OUT TO BUDGET. THE AD HOC CAN ALSO, YOU KNOW, REACH OUT TO BUDGET OFFSIDE. BUT TO INCLUDE THAT BUDGET HAS REVIEWED THE LETTER AND INCLUDE A NAME AND THE SIGNATURE LINE, LIKE THAT WAS NOT HOW MOST COMMISSIONS SEND OUT LETTERS. UM, EVEN RELATING TO BUDGET. SO THAT'S WHY IT WAS NO LONGER A LETTER. IT WAS MORE GETTING APPROVAL FROM OFFICES THAT HAD NOT APPROVED IT. SO IT NEEDED TO BE REFORMATTED AND COME BACK AS YOUR LETTER AND THEN IT'LL GO THROUGH THOSE CHANNELS. LIKE YOU SAID, HERE'S A SUGGESTION FROM ME TO THE CLERK'S OFFICE THAT YOU PUT OUT A SHORT GUIDE OF HOW TO, WHAT DO THEY LOOK LIKE? WHAT SHOULD THEY NOT INCLUDE? NOT INCLUDE SOME KIND OF SHORT GUIDANCE THAT COULD GO OUT TO ALL OF OUR COMMISSIONS SO WE WOULDN'T WASTE TIME DOING IT THE WRONG WAY. AND YOU COULD SAY, THIS IS HOW, IF YOU WANNA DO THIS, IT LOOKS LIKE THIS, YOU WANNA DO THIS, IT LOOKS LIKE THIS, HERE'S WHY. AND THEN WE WOULD BE IN THIS POSITION WHERE IN NOW, YEAH, THERE ARE EXAMPLES AND , BUT SOMETHING MAKES SOME PLACE EASY TO FIND SOMEPLACE. I'VE BEEN, I'VE BEEN ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE. NOTHING'S EASY TO FIND THERE. WE DID THIS LAST YEAR IN 2025. WE DID PLENTY OF ALL THE EXAMPLES THAT TYLER SENT WERE EXAMPLES I NEVER LOOKED AT. SO, SO THAT'S THE FUNNY PART IS THAT WE, THAT WE KNEW HOW TO DO THIS BEFORE AND THEN THAT DARN CITY CLERK'S OFFICE GAVE US . SO DID THEIR BEST. OUR ADVICE HAS NOT CHANGED. YES. UM, THE EXAMPLES ARE STILL THERE. YES. BUT WE'RE HAPPY TO MAKE SURE IT'S CLEARER AND PROVIDE EXAMPLES. I THINK TYLER SENT YOU SOME, SO, RIGHT. AND I GOT STUCK ON THE PUBLIC FACING PART. NOT JUST THE LIKE, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE ALLISON HADN'T REVIEWED THIS IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM AND I DIDN'T WANT HER TO FEEL LIKE SOMETHING WAS COMING FROM US WITHOUT, BUT I GET IT NOW. IT'S ALL CLEAR AS MUD TO ME. OKAY. UM, WHEN WILL WE SEE, 'CAUSE YOU HAVE THE EXAMPLES AND WHAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO LOOK LIKE. UHHUH, . WHEN SHOULD WE EXPECT TO SEE A DRAFT REVISION? YOU NEED TO REVISE IT FIRST, BUT WE CAN TALK ABOUT, WELL I DIDN'T EVEN, I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO LOOK LIKE. SO HOW WOULD I REVISE? WELL, YOU DON'T HAVE TO. THE FINAL FORMATTING CAN BE SOMETHING THAT I DO VERY EASILY, BUT MAKING THE LETTER AS STRONG AS IT CAN BE CONTENT WISE IS SOMETHING THAT THE WELL, THAT'S, IF IT'S FORM AND FORMAT, IS THAT CHANGING WORDS? IS THAT REFORMATTING DOCUMENT? WHAT IS THAT JUST IN WHERE THE PARAGRAPHS DROP AND WHERE THE SECOND, WHERE THE SIGNS IT. I'M SUGGESTING THAT, THAT YOU TAKE TWO, REVIEW IT AGAIN AND STRENGTHEN IT IN ANY WAY THAT IT, THAT IT SHOULD BE STRENGTHENED. I'M SAYING WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE IT VERY STRONG. WELL WHAT, WHAT DO WE NEED TO CUT FROM IT TO MAKE SURE IT DOESN'T BOUNCE BACK AGAIN? IT'S, IT'S NOT GONNA BE ABOUT THE CONTENT SO MUCH. I'M, I'M, I'M SUGGESTING THAT IT BE A STRONG LETTER. THAT'S NOT WHAT THEY BOUNCED IT FOR. THEY DIDN'T, THEY DIDN'T, THEY DIDN'T GET US IN TROUBLE FOR IT NOT BEING A STRONG LETTER. I DON'T THINK THEY GOT US ON FORM AND FORMAT AND CONTENT. SO THERE'S, SO YOU NEED TO SEE THE EXAMPLES. I NEED TO KNOW WHAT THE CONTENT THAT WE SHOULDN'T HAVE PUT IN THERE IS SO WE CAN REMOVE IT. YOU CAN SEND THEM MORE EXAMPLES. NOT WASTE OUR TIME. WE'VE ALSO DONE OUR OWN LETTERS. I'M SUGGESTING THAT YOU, THAT YOU HAVE ONE MORE MEETING TO MAKE THE CONTENT STRONGER. 'CAUSE YOU'RE TRYING TO MAKE THE CASE AS TO WHY THE COUNCIL SHOULD APPROVE WHAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING. I THOUGHT WE DID, BUT NOW WE'RE SAYING IT'S NOT. SO I THOUGHT WE WERE PRETTY CLEAR IN WHAT WE ASKED FOR. I DON'T SEE ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THAT WE COULD PROVIDE THAT WOULD MAKE IT MORE SUCCINCT AND MORE WANTING THEM WANTING TO DO IT. WELL I THINK IT'S NOT TO MAKE IT STRONGER. THAT'S ALL I'M SUGGESTING. SO MAKE IT STRONGER. IN WHAT WAY? WELL HAVE ANOTHER SCHEDULE, ANOTHER AD HOC COMMITTEE MEETING AND REVIEW IT AND DECIDE HOW IT'S GONNA AIR TITLE. CAN I ASK QUESTIONS? YES, YOU CAN. ALRIGHT. UH, I HAVE VERY PARTICULAR QUESTIONS. SO IN REGARDS TO THE LETTER, WE AGREE THAT WE HAVE THE LETTER IN FORM IS NOT PROCEDURALLY RIGHT? RIGHT. SO WE HAVE THAT THE CONTENT WAS REVIEWED AND KICKED BACK OR WAS IT JUST THE ACTUAL FORM OF THE LETTER AND THE APPROVAL? WAS IT THE CONTENT AND THE FORM? ALL THREE? I DON'T THINK THE CONTENT WAS REVIEWED IN, IN, IT'S NOT THE THE CLERK'S JOB TO SAY THIS IS SOLID. I'M, I'M RECOMMENDING THAT YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE A STRONG CASE BECAUSE THE STRONGER THE LETTER IS IN MAKING THE CASE FOR THEM TO DECIDE TO PUT THIS ON THE AGENDA. THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING. NO, NO, NO. AGREE. RIGHT? I I'M, I'M WITH YOU, BUT I, I THINK, I THINK IT WAS KICKED BACK BECAUSE IT WAS NOT IN THE RIGHT FORMAT, BUT I DON'T THINK YOU, YOU GUYS ARE REVIEWING CHAPTER AND VERSE, YOU KNOW? RIGHT. SO JUST TO BE CLEAR, IT IS LITERALLY JUST THE FORMATTING THAT WE DID. THE CONTENT IS NOT IN DISAGREEMENT OTHER THAN MY SUGGESTION. YOUR [00:55:01] SUGGESTION AS A PERSON. RIGHT. SHE'S SUGGESTION THAT THE CONTENT NEEDS TO BE, IF YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S A FIRST DRAFT OR SECOND, YOU KNOW, LIKE TO MAKE IT, TO JUST MAKE IT STRONG BECAUSE YOU WANT IT TO, TO MAKE THE CASE. CORRECT. SO WHY DID IT GET SENT UP IN THE FIRST PLACE IF WE WEREN'T AGREED TO THE CONTENT? BECAUSE IT WAS GOING TO BE INCLUDED IN THE AGENDA SINCE IT WAS GONNA BE REVIEWED TODAY. SO ANYTHING THAT GOES ON THE AGENDA HAS TO BE POSTED PUBLICLY WITH THE AGENDA. OKAY. SO IF YOU GUYS WERE GONNA TODAY IN TODAY'S MEETING, REVIEW THE DRAFT LETTER, IT WOULD'VE HAD TO BE POSTED. IT HAD TO BE YES. POSTED. SO THAT, BUT I WANNA CLARIFY THEN THEY THOUGH IT'S STILL A DRAFT, SO THEY CAN SUGGEST EDITS, HAVE THAT DISCUSSION AS THE LARGER COMMISSION AND THEN THE AD HOC COMMITTEE COULD MAKE THOSE EDITS IF EVERYONE DECIDES OR WHATEVER AS WELL AS RECOMMENDATION ON THE FLOOR. AND THEN IT GETS, THEN THE NEXT MEETING OR A SPECIAL MEETING, YOU'D POST THE SECOND HOPEFULLY FINAL DRAFT WITH THE AGENDA. YOU SHOULD POTENTIALLY DO THAT ALL IN ONE ITEM AS LONG AS THE THE LETTER IS READY TO GO. WE COULD ALSO INCLUDE IN THE RECOMMENDATION TO INCLUDE UPDATES OR CORRECTIONS AND THEN, THEN FORWARD. BUT THAT WOULD JUST BE DEPENDING ON WHAT OUR RECOMMENDATION ON THE NEXT AGENDA IS. SO BECAUSE, SO IT COULD POTENTIALLY BE ONLY ONE MORE MEETING. IT JUST DEPENDS ON HOW THAT GOES. SO BECAUSE WE'RE NOT VOTING ON, ON THE LETTER TONIGHT, UM, IT FEELS LIKE WE'RE SPINNING OUR WHEELS A LITTLE BIT HERE. UM, AND THE AD HOC COMMITTEE HAS TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE LETTER AND FIX, FIX IT, WHETHER IT'S CONTENT OR FORMAT OR WHATEVER. THAT'S RIGHT. GET IT RIGHT AND GET IT BACK TO US AT THE NEXT MEETING. WHETHER THAT'S A SPECIAL MEETING THAT THE CHAIR, UM, RIGHT REQUESTS OR AT OUR REGULARLY SCHEDULED NOVEMBER MY REQUEST, I JUST WANT TO KNOW WHAT I'M, WHAT'S WRONG. WE'LL SEND YOU, WE'LL SEND YOU TEMPLATE OF EXAMPLES THAT YOU CAN REFERENCE. I SAID I I DON'T WANT TO WASTE TIME OF A SOCIAL MEETING AND HAVE NO IDEA WHY I'M THERE AND WHAT I'M SUPPOSED TO BE DOING. ABSOLUTELY. YEAH. WE WILL SEND YOU THE EXAMPLES SO YOU CAN REFERENCE AND COULD WE, CAN WE RED LINE THE LETTER FOR FORMATTING OR LIKE WHAT, WHAT ROLE CAN WE PLAY IN SAYING LIKE, YEAH, YOU CAN'T SAY IF THERE'S CERTAIN SENTENCES OR LIKE THE SIGNATURE OF TOM AND STUFF LIKE THAT. ARE WE ABLE TO, OR WILL THE EXAMPLES MAKE IT MORE CLEAR? I'M JUST NOT SURE WHAT OUR ROLE THAT WE'RE ALLOWED TO PLAY IN EDITING THE LETTER FOR LACK OF, LACK OF A BETTER WORD, BUT HE MAKES A GREAT POINT. LIKE, YOU'RE TELLING ME THIS ISN'T RIGHT, BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW TO FIX IT. CAN WE TELL THEM WHAT'S INAPPROPRIATE OR MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO PROVIDE THE EXAMPLES AND LET THE COMMISSION WRITE, FIGURE AND FORMAT IT AND GET IT READY TO GO AND IT COMES BACK FOR APPROVAL AND IS NOT YEAH, WE'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO YEAH. HAVE ANY CON YEAH, THAT'S WHY I WAS, AND WE HAVE DONE THIS BEFORE, SO WE CAN EVEN PROVIDE EXAMPLES OF LETTERS THAT WE'VE ALREADY DONE. OKAY. SO IT'S THE POWERS THAT BE COULD, COULD WE ASK THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE TO TAKE THAT DRAFT AND RED LINE IT AND MARK IT UP FOR US AND SEND IT TO US RATHER THAN AS FORM FORMAT AND WORDS WE SHOULDN'T USE TAKE STEM OUT OF THE LOOP? NO. UH, THE COMMISSION WOULD NEED TO BRING FORTH THE LETTER AND THEN MAKE YOUR CHANGES ON THE FLOOR OR APPROVE IT AND THEN IT GOES THROUGH THE CORRECT CHANNELS. BUT NO, OUR OFFICE WOULD NOT HELP YOU DRAFT IT. WE DON'T KNOW THE DETAILS OR THE BUDGET, ANYTHING ABOUT THAT. SO THERE, SO THERE, THERE ARE FOUR PARAGRAPHS IN THE, IN THE, THE GUIDANCE DOCUMENT ON, ON PDF PAGE 22, WHICH IS PAGE 19 TO THE ACTUAL DOCUMENT. IT'S CALLED PRESENTING ITEMS TO COUNSEL. AND IT HAS FOUR PARAGRAPHS ON HOW YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO MEET IT. AND THIS IS ON THE, THE REVISED VERSION 11 20 20 25. ASSUMING THERE'S NOT A NEW REVISION, THAT'S THE COMMISSION HANDBOOK, CORRECT? YEP. THERE IS A SPECIFIC, THERE'S SPECIFIC INFORMATION THEN IN THE COMMISSION HANDBOOK ON PAGE 22 OF THE PDF, WHICH IS PAGE 19 OF THE ACTUAL DOCUMENT. AND I'M SORRY, IT SAYS WHAT? IT SAYS. THE TITLE IS PRESENTING AGENDA ITEMS TO COUNCIL AND TALKS ABOUT, TALKS ABOUT WORKING, WORKING WITH DEPARTMENT STAFF LIAISONS TO SUBMIT A MEMORANDUM TO THE CITY MANAGER FOR THE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL. WE GONNA MAKE SURE FORMALLY APPROVED BY THE BODY AND COMMISSION AND THAT GOES THROUGH ALL OF THAT. AND WHAT DOCUMENT ARE YOU READING FROM IT? THIS IS THE BOARD AND COMMISSION MANUAL OR HANDBOOK. AND I DID EMAIL THAT TO EVERYONE. YEAH, I DON'T WANT YOU TO, SO WHAT ROLE ARE STAFF ABLE TO HAVE IN THE FORMATTING, DRAFTING, EDITING OF THE LETTER. IT SAYS WORK WITH WHATEVER THAT MEANS. IT SAYS WITH GETTING IT ON THE AGENDA, MY OPINION. UM, AND THE COVER LETTER. YEAH. AND THEN ROUTING IT TO YOUR DEPARTMENT [01:00:01] HEAD WHO WILL THEN ROUTE IT AS WELL. SO I GUESS MAYBE MINOR EDITS AND FORMATTING THAT THE STAFF WILL HAVE, THAT STAFF WILL HAVE TO MAKE NOT CHANGING THE CONTENT OR RADICALLY EDITING. THAT SHOULD ALL BE DONE AT THE MEETING. SO IT SHOULD BE APPROVED AND FINALIZED IN THE MEETING AND THAT'S IT. AND THEN WE WOULD THEN TAKE OVER AND HAVE IT WRAP. RIGHT. SO, SO IN TERMS OF STAFF, I, HERE, HERE'S MY PERSPECTIVE AS, AS, AS A COMMISSIONER. AND IS THAT, IS THAT IF WE BRING, WE BRING THAT TO A MEETING AS STAFF, YOU COULD SAY YOU MIGHT WANT TO THINK ABOUT CHANGING THIS, YOU MIGHT WANT TO THINK ABOUT CHANGING THAT. YOU'RE SUGGESTING THOSE THINGS TO US. THIS IS WHERE STAFF COULD AND AND THEN WE AGREE WHETHER WE DID IN 2025, WE DID. EXACTLY. YES. YES. YOU HAVE INPUT. BUT THE COMMISSION, WE COULD, WE COULD, IF, IF WE CHOSE TO WRITE A SCATHING LETTER TO THE CITY COUNCIL AND THE MAYOR THAT EXACTLY. THAT WAS HORRIBLE STUFF. WE ALL AGREED THAT WE WERE GONNA DO IT. STAFF REALLY HAS NO OPTION TO SAY YOU CAN'T DO THAT. YOU WOULD SUGGEST AND RECOMMEND THAT WE DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT. BUT AS, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, AS WE ARE INDEPENDENT, YOU'RE SAYING IS THAT THEY, I'M ALLOWED TO DO MINOR EDITS AND FORMATTING TO MAKE SURE IT CONFORMS WITH WHAT THE LETTER'S SUPPOSED TO. WELL WE COULDN'T DO THAT FOR THE DRAFT VERSION. IT WOULD HAVE TO BE DURING THE MEETING WE DISCUSSED THE CHANGES THAT ARE MADE AND THEN WE MAKE THEM TO THE LETTER AND THEN IN THAT SAME RECOMMENDATION IT WOULD BE FORWARDING THE LETTER. SO GIVING GINA THE DIRECTION TOO. AND I AM PART OF THE AD HOC SUBCOMMITTEE MEETINGS, SO I CAN SAY MAKE SUGGESTIONS, RIGHT, WHATEVER IN THAT AS IT'S AN ITERATIVE PROCESS. AS AS A STAFF LIAISON. AS STAFF, NOT AS A DECIDER. THAT'S RIGHT. YEAH. OKAY. THAT, THAT, THAT WAS, WE'VE DONE, MY CONCERN WAS I DIDN'T WANT TO SEE IT BOUNCING BACK AND FORTH SEVERAL TIMES BETWEEN US AND THE COUNCIL. YOU KNOW, WE GO THROUGH ALL OUR PROCESS, WE CAN GET IT THERE AND THEN THEY GO, EH, NO, START AGAIN. WE DO THAT 'CAUSE IT'S KIND. OKAY. COOL. ALRIGHT. ANYTHING ELSE? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, CONCERNS? I HAVE, I HAVE ONE THING THAT I WANT TO ASK ABOUT, ABOUT THE FORMAT OF THE AGENDA. IT, IN THE FUTURE, WOULD WE BE ABLE TO LIST THE AD HOC COMMITTEES AS PART OF, AS PART OF THE, JUST LIST THEM, LIST THEM ON THE AGENDA. THE CURRENT AD HOC COMMITTEES. THIS IS A STANDING ITEM THAT WE USE THE SAME LANGUAGE FOR OVER AND OVER AGAIN. UM, THAT WOULD BE THE INFORMATION THAT STAFF SHOULD HAVE AT THE MEETING, BUT SO THAT THEY CAN RECALL THAT WE CAN DISCUSS SPECIFICALLY WHICH AD. OKAY. SO NO I'LL FOLLOW UP ON YOURS. DIDN'T WE CHOOSE TO RE DISSOLVE THE AD HOC COMMITTEE AFTER CREATING THE LETTER AND SUBMITTING IT TO US ONCE LETTER'S APPROVED? YEAH, ONCE, ONCE THE LETTER'S APPROVED. ONCE WE APPROVE IT. ONCE WE APPROVE. SO THE ADD OPTION MAY STILL GOOD? CORRECT. ALRIGHT. SO WE'RE, WE'RE THROUGH THE LETTER ISSUE AND THERE'S ONE LITTLE PIECE OF THIS WE GOTTA DO. ANOTHER ISSUE IS, UM, A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT TO DISSOLVE THE, UM, DISSOLVE THE CURRENT BANNERS COMMITTEE 'CAUSE THEN WE'LL START A NEW ONE. WOULD THAT BE THE APPROPRIATE WAY TO, I'M NOT SURE IF WE HAVE A BANNERS. DID WE ALREADY DO THE BANNERS? I DON'T THINK WE RESOLVED IT BECAUSE THERE WAS GONNA BE A DEBRIEFING OR AN ANALYSIS ABOUT THE 20 26 1, BUT THAT WAS NOT SCHEDULED. OKAY. THAT HAS NOT BEEN SCHEDULED. BUT THE COMMISSION DECIDE IT'S NOT IMPORTANT. DECIDED NOT TO SCHEDULE IT AND DISSOLVE IT. IT'S IMPORTANT. WE, IT'S NOT IMPORTANT. WE CAN JUST TABLE THAT. I I UNDERSTAND THAT. OKAY. JUST BRING IT UP IN OUR, OUR CHAIR. YEAH. AGENDA MEETING. YEAH, I UNDERSTAND THAT. SO NOT IMPORTANT. ALRIGHT. PUBLIC COMMENT. MOTION TO RESOLVE IT NOW. NO, THAT WOULD BE, THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M HEARING FROM. OH, OKAY. NO PUBLIC COMMENT. . ALRIGHT. YOU READY FOR THE VOTE? IS SETTLE VOTE COMMISSIONER. GOOD. UH, COMMISSIONER SHERMAN? AYE. COMMISSIONER SEC. . AYE. COMMISSIONER VARGAS? AYE. VICE CHAIR? ATKINS SLATE. CHARLES. AYE QUESTION. ALL RIGHT, ONE MORE. WE ARE AT GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT. ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE TO SHARE? UH, JUST A COMMENT. IT'S MY FIRST MEETING. YEAH. AND MY FIRST TIME I'VE READ YOUR, UH, MINUTES. I SEE 12 PAGES OF MINUTES FOR YOUR SEPTEMBER 16TH MEETING, BUT IT DOESN'T REALLY SAY ANYTHING. ALL IT SAYS IS EVERYBODY SPOKE. EVERYBODY SPOKE. WELL WHAT YOU SAY MINUTES SHOULD BE REFLECT WHAT WAS DISCUSSED AND YOU KNOW WHAT, WHAT THE ISSUE IS FOR ME TO READ THIS 12 PAGES. I DON'T KNOW WHAT WENT ON OTHER THAN EVERYBODY SPOKE. YOU COULD DO ONE PAGE AND SAY EVERYBODY SPOKE AND WE GO HOME. RIGHT. EXACTLY. CAN'T YOU BE MORE, [01:05:01] A LITTLE BIT MORE IN DEPTH LIKE THIS DISCUSSION YOU JUST HAD NEXT MONTH? WE'RE GONNA SEE THAT IN ONE LINE. HE'S HE'S BOOK PIECE BOOK. IT DOESN'T TELL ANYTHING. TELL THE OUTSIDER SEEING THAT YOU'RE WASTING 12 PAGES MULTIPLIED TIMES HOW MANY THINGS YOU MADE. IT SEEMS RIDICULOUS. JUST MY COMMENT. ALRIGHT. CAN I DO A PUBLIC COMMENT? NO, NO. YOU JUST CASTIGATED FOR THAT PATH. . ALRIGHT. ANY ANNOUNCEMENTS? ANNOUNCEMENTS GOING AROUND THE ROOM? NO, THERE NO ANNOUNCEMENTS. I JU I WANNA MAKE AN, UH, ENCOURAGE YOU ALL THAT IF YOU COME ACROSS AN EVENT, UH, WITH THAT IT HAS TO DO WITH VETERANS OR SOMETHING HAPPENING IN COMMUNITY AND YOU FIND THE FLYER, WHATEVER, YOU CAN ALWAYS EMAIL IT TO ME WITHIN THREE DAYS OF THE MEETING BECAUSE WE HAVE TO INCLUDE IT AS AN ATTACHMENT, RIGHT? SO WE, WE ARE, WE ARE ALLOWED TO PROMOTE DIFFERENT EVENTS HAPPENING AROUND THE COMMUNITY. LIKE YOU'LL HAVE SOMETHING HAPPENING IN AMERICAN GOALS AROUND, SO 72 HOURS BEFORE THE MEETING. IF YOU CAN, IF YOU FIND SOMETHING THAT'S OF INTEREST TO THE VETERANS COMMUNITY, OUR AGENDAS ARE POSTED PUBLICLY WITH THE ATTACHMENT. WITH THAT FLYER, I'M JUST, THIS IS JUST LIKE REMINDING YOU TO SEND ME ANNOUNCEMENTS BEFORE THE AGENDAS FINAL. UM, STEPHANIE, I HAVE AN ANNOUNCED, ARE WE ANNOUNCE IT? YES. UM, LAST WEEK. SO THERE'S UM, CITY AND COUNTY, UH, MANAGEMENT CONFERENCE THAT HAPPENED MONDAY, TUESDAY, AND WEDNESDAY OF THIS WEEK. AND SO THERE'S CITY AND COUNTY GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD THAT CAME. IT WAS AN INTERNATIONAL CONFERENCE AND SO CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS FROM THE UKRAINIAN DELEGATION ASKED TO MEET WITH GINA AND TO LEARN ABOUT WHAT WE'RE DOING FOR VETERANS HERE IN LONG BEACH AND SHARE ABOUT WHAT THEY'RE DOING. SO IT WAS REALLY COOL. I I WASN'T THERE UNFORTUNATELY. SO CAN GINA CHIME IN ON MY ANNOUNCEMENT ABOUT WE SHOULDN'T BE HAVING DISCUSSION DURING ANNOUNCEMENTS? IT WENT VERY WELL. THEY DO A LOT OF AMAZING THINGS FOR THEIR VETS IN UKRAINE. THEY HAVE LIKE THEIR OWN SPORTS TEAMS, THEY HAVE HOSPITALS, THEY HAVE HOUSING AND THEY WERE REALLY EXCITED TO LEARN ABOUT WHAT, WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE. SO THAT WAS REALLY COOL. IT WAS VERY, FELT VERY OFFICIAL COUNCIL MEMBERS FROM THE UKRAINIAN DELEGATION. SO THEY'RE INTERESTED IN WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE, WHICH IS REALLY COOL. SUPER. THAT'S AWESOME. THANK YOU. THAT'S HOW POPULAR. WE'RE INTERNATIONAL. THERE YOU GO, . ALRIGHT, WE'RE ADJOURNED. THANK. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.