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GOING TO, UM, CALL THE MARINE ADVISORY COMMISSION EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE MEETING TO ORDER AT 9:30 ON THE 5TH, 9:31 ON THE 5TH.CAN WE HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? COMMISSION, COMMISSION CHAIR CAGER? HERE.
COMMISSION VICE CHAIR MURRAY? HERE.
UM, SO I AM GOING TO CALL ON THE FIRST REGULAR AGENDA ITEM, WHICH IS A RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES OF OUR LAST MARINE ADVISORY.
MOVING ON TO OUR NEXT AGENDA ITEM, WHICH IS A RECOMMENDATION TO DISCUSS AND REVIEW FUTURE MARINE ADVISORY COMMISSION AGENDA ITEMS. MAY I HAVE, UM, UH, UH - MOTION? YES, A MOTION.
SO IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED.
LET US OPEN THE FLOOR TO SUGGESTIONS FOR AGENDA ITEMS MOVING AHEAD.
SHALL WE START? SECOND PAGE ON YOUR, UH - YES.
WE'LL HAVE IT ON YOUR SECOND PAGE.
SO THIS WILL BE THE NEXT MEETING AT THE NOVEMBER MARINE ADVISORY COMMISSION MEETING.
WE HAVE THE MINUTES OF OUR LAST MEETING.
AND OUR VENUE APPEARS TO BE THE SEAL BEACH CHALK CLUB.
AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A RECOMMENDATION ON THE PUBLIC WORKS ON THE DAVIES, UH, BOAT LAUNCH.
AND WE KNOW THAT THERE IS STUFF HAP - THERE IS STUFF HAPPENING OR NOT HAPPENING OUT THERE AS A RESULT OF SOME CONTRACTORS STUFF.
UH, WELL NO, THE PROJECT'S, UH, BEEN MOVING.
UH, WE HAD A LITTLE, UH, WITH THE HIGH TIDES OBVIOUSLY SLOWED THINGS DOWN A LITTLE BIT THIS PAST FEW, UH, COUPLE WEEKS.
BUT, YOU KNOW, I, UH, JASON IS THE PROJECT MANAGER FOR THAT FROM PUBLIC WORKS AND HE'LL BE IN ATTENDANCE TO GIVE A UPDATE ON WHERE WE STAND AND WHERE WE'RE GOING.
UH, MY UNDERSTANDING AT THIS TIME IS THE PROJECT IS ON TRACK FOR JANUARY, FEBRUARY.
BUT AGAIN, WE'LL SEE AS WE GET TO - IS THAT, AND, AND SORRY, THAT'S WITHIN THE ORIGINAL, UH, UH, TIMELINES.
HAS THE HIGH TIDE AFFECTED IT AT ALL WITH, WITH, I MEAN, WE'RE GONNA HAVE HIGH TIDES ALL THE WAY THROUGH CHRISTMAS.
WELL YEAH, THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING RIGHT, RIGHT NOW WE'RE ON TRACK.
BUT, UH, THE BIG WORK THAT THEY'RE DOING IS AT THE RAMP ITSELF.
AND THEN THE INITIAL, UM, THE INITIAL RAMP WAS BUILT EXTREMELY WELL.
IT WAS LIKE A WORLD WAR II FORTIFICATION.
I MEAN THE CONCRETE WAS DEEP AND SO, UH, UH, IT TOOK A LITTLE LONGER THAN THEY EXPECTED TO GET ALL OF THAT MATERIAL UP OUT OF THERE.
CAN WE HAVE SOME KIND OF COOL CEREMONY WITH THAT FISH CLEANING STATION AND, AND MAYBE DO SOMETHING IN CONJUNCTION WITH TUNA CLUB OR SOMETHING AND CLEAN SOME FISH THERE?
UM, AND SO MOVING ON TO THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM ON THE NEXT WEEK'S MEETING IS OUR, OUR MONTHLY, WE'RE GONNA CALL IT, CAN WE, IS IT SAFE TO REFER TO THESE MORE AS A, DO YOU WANT IT TO BE A MONTHLY ORAL UPDATE OR ARE WE GOING TO A QUARTERLY BASIS ON ALL OF YOUR, UH, UPDATES FROM YOUR MANAGEMENT AND DIRECT REPORTS? WELL, A, A REALLY GOOD OPPORTUNITY WITH THAT, WE CAN JUST CALL IT THE, UH, MANAGER'S REPORT.
LET'S DO THAT BECAUSE IT'S NOT TIME SPECIFIC SO MUCH AS - YEAH.
AND LIKE I SAID, IT GIVES YOU GUYS THE OPPORTUNITY TO KIND OF ASK QUESTIONS THAT MAY NOT GENERALLY BE, YOU KNOW, SPECIFIC TO AN AGENDA ITEM.
SO IN OUR, OUR MANAGER'S REPORT, YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO ASK QUESTIONS OF ME AND OUR STAFF.
SO YOU JUST WANT TO REMOVE MONTHLY? YEAH, IT'S JUST A MANAGER'S, UH, UPDATE.
IT'D BASICALLY BE TODD DOING IT.
AND THEN EVERY QUARTERLY YOU WOULD HAVE HIS TEAM UP AND YOUR TEAM WOULD DO THEIR, THEIR REVIEW.
I'M CALLING THAT THE HIGHLIGHT REEL.
UM, AND I THINK THAT'LL BE, I THINK THAT'LL BE BENEFICIAL FOR STAFF AND THE TIME THAT THOSE REPORTS REQUIRE OF THEM AND THEN HELP US BETTER UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON, UM, ON A QUARTERLY BASIS.
SO MADAM CHAIR, I, WE WOULD DEFINITELY, UH, YOU'RE DEFINITELY DOING A REVIEW OF, OF COURSE THE PENINSULA, EVERYTHING WE'VE HAD, THE HIGH TIDE, THE, THE, THE - YOU'RE DOING THE HIGHLIGHT REVIEW.
AND THEN THE, UH, UM, REALLY INTERESTED IN THE, THE SEWAGE SPILL,
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UM, YOU KNOW, THINGS OF THAT NATURE BECAUSE I'M SURE YOU GOT CALLS ON IT BECAUSE I STILL GOT CALLS ON IT.AND CAN WE GO IN THE WATER? AND I SAYS, "HERE'S TODD'S CELL PHONE." NO, I DON'T GET A CELL PHONE.
I GIVE HIM YOUR, YOUR WORK NUMBER.
YEAH, I KNOW, THAT'S WHAT I MEAN.
THERE WAS PEOPLE IN THE BAY SWIMMING.
UM, SO IT WILL BE THE MANAGER'S, UM, UPDATE, UM, MANAGER'S REPORT.
THEN WE'LL HAVE, UH, EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE STATUS REPORT THAT WOULD COME FROM THIS MEETING AND WHAT WE DISCUSSED TODAY.
AND THEN, UM, A RECOMMENDATION TO DISCUSS, YAY, POTENTIAL AGENDA ITEMS FOR FUTURE MARINE ADVISORY COMMISSION MEETINGS AND GET INPUT FROM ALL OF OUR COMMISSIONERS ON THE SPOT.
UM - AND WE CAN EVEN GET, BECAUSE IT GOES TO PUBLIC COMMENT TOO, ADAM CHAIR, THAT PUBLIC COMMENT CAN ALSO ADD SOME THINGS IN, UM, ON OUR, ON OUR, OUR TIMELINE.
NOW WITH THE TIDELANDS WAS SUPPOSED TO BE THIS COMING MONTH.
ARE THEY GONNA BE REVIEWING ANYTHING ON THE, NOT TIDELANDS, BUT THE, IS IT THE TIDELANDS MONTH? IT'S NOT UP THIS MONTH? NO.
'CAUSE THAT'LL BE A PART OF OUR MEETINGS IN THE FUTURE, CORRECT? YES.
I'LL BE ROLLED UP TO THE GENERAL MEETING ON A QUARTERLY BASIS.
SO, UM, SO I AM HERE TO TELL YOU THAT I WILL BE OUT OF THE COUNTRY NEXT THURSDAY, SO I'M TURNING THIS OVER TO MY VICE CHAIR.
AND, AND AS I HAD TOLD YOU, I HAVE A ROUTINE, UM, TEST THAT DAY.
I DIDN'T REALIZE IT'S OUTPATIENT, UM, THAT I WOULD NEED TO CHECK IN IN ADVANCE SO THAT IMPACTS GOING TO THE MEETING.
MY COUSIN'S FUNERAL, BUT I'M GONNA BE THERE.
WE DON'T HAVE A NUMBER OF THE PEOPLE.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S, COMMISSIONER MURRAY, THAT'S 100% CERTAIN FOR YOU NOT GONNA BE IN ATTENDANCE.
YOU'RE SUBJECT TO THE MEDICAL FOLKS.
I MADE IT LATE IN THE DAY SO I COULD DO OTHER THINGS AND YEAH.
NOW I HAVE TO GO TO THE RECEPTION AND IT'S JUST ALL THE COUSINS I DON'T WANT TO SEE.
SO IF, IF WE'RE ON THAT TOPIC - YES.
UM, LET'S TOUCH BASE ON DECEMBER.
WE, WE CAN OBVIOUSLY HAVE THIS MEETING IN DECEMBER, BUT WE'D ALSO LIKE TO ADD IN KIND OF THOSE RETREAT ITEMS, YOU KNOW, THE, UH, THE ETHICS REVIEW, THE BROWN ACT REVIEW.
AND, UH, THOSE SORT OF THINGS.
COULD, COULD I ASK AND POTENTIALLY AMEND THAT BY SAYING, UM, JANUARY FOR THAT? YOU WANT TO DO THAT IN JANUARY.
SO WE MAY HAVE NEW, WE MAY HAVE OUR NEW, UH, NEW COMMISSIONERS.
IT, IT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL, RIGHT? YES.
AS THE CITY'S BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS ARE BEING POPULATED RIGHT POTENTIALLY IN THE NEW YEAR, WE MIGHT CAPTURE AT LEAST ONE.
SO THAT, THAT PUTS US TO, DO YOU WANT TO MOVE THIS AGENDA TO DECEMBER AND DO YOU WANT TO HOLD THE MEETING IN DECEMBER? YES.
I KNOW THAT THERE IS AT LEAST ONE APPLICATION IN THE WORKS - YES.
UM, BUT WE, OF COURSE, ARE ALL AT THE MERCY OF CITY HALL AND HOW QUICKLY THEY MOVE THROUGH AND WHETHER THAT APPLICANT WILL BE CONSIDERED A QUALIFIED APPLICANT, RIGHT? SO IN, WITH THAT IN MIND, MOVING THIS AGENDA TO DECEMBER, I THINK WOULD BE GREAT.
AND THEN WE MOVE TO, UH, THE NOTION OF A RETREAT-LIKE MEETING IN JANUARY THAT COULD THEN ACCOMMODATE A NEW, A NEW COMMISSIONER.
UM, I, AND IS THIS A, AN APPROPRIATE TIME TO FOLLOW UP ON PAST ITEMS THAT WE HAVE SUGGESTED AND DISCUSSED AT THIS EXECUTIVE MEETING FOR NOT ONLY A RETREAT, UH, BUT SOME OTHER ITEMS WHICH HAVE BEEN, UM, SORT OF TOP OF MIND - YES.
SO I'M GONNA ASK YOU TO TAKE ONE OF THESE AND PASS IT ON, PLEASE.
UM, I AM ALSO GONNA ASK YOU TO TAKE ONE OF THESE AND PASS IT ON.
THESE HAVE TO DO WITH, UM, MY INTEREST IN SORT OF A, AN APPROACH TO DEALING WITH ENCOURAGING NEW APPLICANTS FOR OUR, UH, COMMISSION BY ADJUSTING OUR MEETING TIME.
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AND SO YOU'LL SEE THE HIGHLIGHTED SECTION HERE.TWO YEARS AGO, JULY OF 2024, I SHARED THIS INFORMATION WITH A MARINE ADVISORY COMMISSION, AND IT WAS ON OUR AGENDA AT THE TIME - RIGHT.
TO LOOK AT OUR MEETING TIMES WITH A, A SENSE THAT IF WE COULD ADJUST OUR MEETING TIME IN THE AFTERNOON, WE MIGHT GET - MORE PEOPLE.
FOLKS MORE, UM, OR ENCOURAGE MORE APPLICANTS, THE SENSE THAT SOMEONE WHO IS IN BUSINESS, WHO HAS BUSINESS OBLIGATIONS MAY NOT BE ABLE TO MEET AT 2:30, BUT, AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE TIME IS.
COULD IT BE A FOUR O'CLOCK START DATE OR A 3:30, UM, START DATE? BUT I WOULD LIKE TO START THE CONVERSATION ABOUT THIS.
I'M ALSO ON THIS LITTLE SPREADSHEET INDICATING WHERE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS MEET IN THE CITY OF LONG BEACH.
UM, ON THE FAR RIGHT IS THEIR MEETING PLACE, THEIR ADDRESSES WHERE EVERYBODY IN THE WORLD WHO VOLUNTEERS ON A BOARD AND A COMMISSION IS EXPECTED TO SHOW UP.
UM, AND I'D LOVE TO HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT, UH, WHAT WE COULD DO TO MAKE OUR MEETINGS MORE PERMANENT IN A MEETING SPOT THAT'S MORE APPROPRIATE, THAT IS...
NOT MORE APPROPRIATE, UH, POTENTIALLY MORE ACCESSIBLE, UH, OPEN TO THE PUBLIC - UH-HUH.
WITH THE KINDS OF CRITERIA THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED IN THE PAST.
SO I WROTE THIS UP AND I'M, I'M TOTALLY OPEN TO IDEAS AND WITH THE HOPES THAT WE CAN HAVE A, MORE OF A CONVERSATION, BUT WE, WE REALLY DO NEED A SPACE IN THE MARINE BUREAU JURISDICTION, HOPEFULLY IN THE THIRD DISTRICT, AVAILABLE ON A SECOND THURSDAY OF EVERY MONTH, LARGE ENOUGH TO HOLD 20 TO 30 PEOPLE, AVAILABLE HOPEFULLY MAYBE FOR SPECIAL MEETINGS AND LARGER GROUPS OF ATTENDEES, PARTICULARLY IN THE EVENING.
UM, EASILY ACCESSIBLE, THAT KIND OF GOES, YOU KNOW, WITH PARKING AND ADA COMPLIANCE.
UM, MINIMAL TO NO COST FOR THE USE OF THE ROOM, RIGHT? AND SOMETHING THAT'S SET UP WITH, UM, AV, YOU KNOW, UH, INTERNET, SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES.
SO FOLLOWING LAST MONTH'S MEETING, UM, I INVITED JOE TO GO WITH ME OVER TO THE CON- CONSERVATION CORPS - UH-HUH.
TO THE NIETO BUILDING AND FIND OUT MORE ABOUT WHAT THAT SPACE IS.
I'VE INCLUDED SOME PHOTOS FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO HAVEN'T BEEN THERE RECENTLY, OR LIKE ME, HAVE NEVER BEEN IN THE ROOM WHEN THERE HAVEN'T BEEN 20 OTHER PEOPLE THERE
AND SO WE HAD A REALLY GREAT CONVERSATION WITH SANDRA.
SHE'S THE ADMINISTRATIVE COORDINATOR FOR THE, UH, CONSERVATION CORPS.
IT'S CONTROLLED BY THE, UH, CONSERVATION CORPS, BUT RIGHT NEXT DOOR IS THE THIRD DISTRICT FIELD OFFICE - RIGHT.
WHICH THROUGH A DOOR CAN ACCESS THE SPACE FOR THEIR MEETINGS, FOR THEIR COMMUNITY GROUPS.
AND THE SPACE CAN HOLD LEGALLY 40 PEOPLE.
AND WE WERE IN THERE DOING SOME SPACE PLANNING WITH SANDRA, AND THE IDEA IS THAT THE TABLE STAYS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROOM, ONE SIDE OF THAT LARGE CONFERENCE TABLE BECOMES ARDEOS, AND STAFF WOULD SIT AT EITHER END.
THE CHAIRS ARE COMPLETELY, UH, UH, MOBILE, RIGHT? RIGHT.
THE TABLES AND CHAIRS, EVERYTHING WE SEE LINING THE ROOM CAN BE ADJUSTED TO HANDLE, UH, THE FOLKS THAT WOULD, UH, BE NORMALLY ATTENDING, WHICH ISN'T VERY MANY, BUT WE WOULD WANNA BE PREPARED, RIGHT? UM, THE FINAL POINT HERE IS THAT IT DOES MEET THE OTHER CRITERIA.
THE CONSERVATION CORPS MAKES THAT ROOM AVAILABLE FOR FREE.
AND - I KNOW THERE'S HESITATION, UM, FROM CITY STAFF REGARDING, UM, THE PROXIMITY TO THE THIRD DISTRICT OFFICE - YES.
WOULD THAT - YEAH, APPEARANCES.
JUST CURIOUS ABOUT YOUR THOUGHTS ON THAT.
I'M GONNA POINT OUT THAT WHEN WE MEET AT BIXBY PARK, WE'RE NEXT DOOR TO THE - THAT'S RIGHT.
SECOND DOOR, UH, SECOND DISTRICT FIELD OFFICE FOR, UM...
I'M SORRY, WHO'S THAT COUNCILPERSON? CINDY ALLEN.
SO THERE IS SOME PRECEDENT FOR THIS.
UM, THE PARKS REC AND MARINE CHARTER COMMISSION MEETS AT THE COMMUNITY CENTER UP ON STUDEBAKER, AND THAT WAS FORMALLY - PARKS COMMISSION.
UM, THEY MEET AT THE COMMUNITY CENTER UP ON STUDEBAKER, WHICH WAS IN THE VICINITY OF THE FORMER FIELD OFFICE FOR THE, UH, COUNCIL PERSON UP IN THAT AREA.
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I DON'T KNOW IF - DARYL SUPERVISES WHERE HE STILL HAVE AN OFFICE.I THINK THEY STILL HAVE AN OFFICE THERE.
IT'S ALL, UM, THEY CAN DECIDE WHAT THEY WANNA DO AND WHERE THEY WANNA PUT THEIR STAFF.
BUT FOR SURE, CINDY ALLEN IS AT BIXBY PARK AND, UM, THE THIRD DISTRICT IS AT THE CONSERVATION CORPS BUILDING.
I WON'T SAY INAPPROPRIATE, BUT IS THERE SOME SORT OF SENSE THAT PEOPLE THINK THAT THE THIRD DISTRICT IS GOING TO BE MORE OR LESS INVOLVED IN THE THIRD, IN THE MARINE ADVISORY COMMISSION BUSINESS? WELL, THEY ARE.
BUT, BUT OUR FOOTPRINT DOES INCLUDE SO MUCH OF DOWNTOWN.
AND WE ARE SERVING OUR ENTIRE COMMUNITY.
WE DON'T WANNA BE THIRD DISTRICT CENTRIC.
UM - BUT FOR YEARS, FOR YEARS, WE WERE JUST AT THE YACHT CLUB.
RIGHT, BECAUSE OF AN ACCOMMODATION THAT THE LONG BEACH YACHT CLUB MADE FOR THEM THERE.
AND IF WE CHANGE THE TIME, MADAM CHAIR - YES.
AND LOOK AT A LATER TIME, CITY COUNCIL PERSON WON'T EVEN OR THEIR STAFF WON'T EVEN BE IN THE OFFICE WHEN WE'RE THERE.
UM, CONSERVATION CORPS - WOULD BE.
BUT ALSO THIRDISTRIC HAS THE KEY.
YEAH, BUT I'M JUST SAYING THIRD DISTRICT, IF IT WAS, IF IT WAS INTO THEIR OFFICE TIME, THEY WOULDN'T BE THERE.
I BELIEVE IT'S A PERCEPTION ISSUE.
I HAVE CONCERNS WITH IT SHARES A DOOR.
IT'S, IT'S A COMMON DOOR RIGHT IN THEIR OFFICE WHERE YOU LOOK AT, YOU LOOK AT THE OTHER SPACES THAT YOU WERE REFERENCING.
YOU LOOK AT, UH, UH, BIXBY PARK.
IT'S, IT'S ADJACENT, BUT IT'S A SEPARATE BUILDING.
AND I WANNA COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND WHAT THE CONCERN IS.
WELL, ONE IS THE CONCERN IS THAT, AGAIN, LIKE YOU SAID, IT'S, WE'RE SITTING RIGHT NEXT TO CD3.
WE'RE, WE'RE NOT SITTING RIGHT NEXT TO CD2, CD1.
SO IS IT FAVORITISM WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT? YEAH.
THEY'RE WELCOME TO COME TO ALL OUR MEETINGS.
I WANNA UNDERSTAND WHAT - YEAH.
SO I CAN MAKE SURE IF, IF WE'RE EXPLORING POSSIBILITIES THAT WE, YOU SEE WHAT'S REALLY - YEAH.
CITY STAFF WOULD PREFER NOT TO HOLD COMMISSION MEETINGS AT THE CONSERVATION CORPS CONFERENCE ROOM.
ON RECORD, WE UNDERSTAND AND, UM, ACKNOWLEDGE THAT, THAT CONCERN ON THE PART OF CITY STAFF.
UM - LET'S GO TO CITY HALL.OM KIDDING.
WELL, AND, UH - EVERYTHING ELSE IS HERE.
AND JEFF WILLIAMS DID RECOMMEND THAT.
UH, WE'VE NEVER - HE'S CALLED ME A COUPLE TIMES SAYING, HAVE YOU GUYS EVER THOUGH, YOU KNOW, WE CAN MAKE CITY HALL AVAILABLE FOR YOU IF YOU'D LIKE TO CHANGE AND MEET THERE.
UM, I AM EXPLORING SOME OTHER ALTERNATIVES.
UH, AND WE DID GO ON TO THE SEA SCOUT BASE, BY THE WAY, WHICH IS AN UNDERUTILIZED FACILITY.
WELL, THE, THE UPSTAIRS, TURN TO THE LAST PAGE THAT I'VE PROVIDED FOR YOU.
THIS IS FROM THEIR WEBSITE, BY THE WAY.
UM, THERE IS AN UPSTAIRS MEETING ROOM, WHICH IS WAY BIG.
IT IS USED BY COMMUNITY GROUPS ON A ROUTINE BASIS.
UM, THERE IS AN ELEVATOR FOR ADA ACCESS.
UM, IT IS A NONPROFIT, RIGHT? RIGHT.
UM, MAY I SUGGEST - SCOUTING USA.
UM, WE MET WITH, UH, KRISTEN AND SHE GAVE US A TOUR OF THE BUILDING.
SHE'S JUST JOINED THAT, UM, THEM IN THAT CAPACITY WITHIN THE LAST FEW MONTHS.
THEY DO HOLD COMMUNITY MEETINGS ON A ROUTINE BASIS.
UM, THE UPSTAIRS CLASSROOM CAN HOLD UP TO 100 PEOPLE.
THEY HAVE A AUDIO VISUAL, THEY HAVE INTERNET.
UM, THERE IS STAFF ON THE BASE EVERY DAY, AND WE CAN HOLD AN EVENING MEETING, FOR INSTANCE, FOR AN OVERFLOW CROWD, UM, UNTIL 100 PM FOR A PUBLIC MEETING OR SOME OTHER MEETING THAT MIGHT REQUIRE, UM, A GREATER, VASTER SPACE.
UM, THE SPACE RIGHT NOW IS, LET'S SEE, WHAT IS IT? THEY ARE BOOKED ON THURSDAY NIGHT.
WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT, UH, THURSDAY AFTERNOONS.
IT'S WITHIN THE FOOTPRINT OF THE THIRD DISTRICT, MARINE BUREAU.
UH, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE...
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OF THE, THE C BASE.ANY OTHER COMMENTS, IMMEDIATE, KNEE-JERK, EVERYTHING APPRECIATED.
I THINK THAT, I MEAN, LIKE YOU SAID, THE PARKING IS, IS, IT'S RIGHT DOWN THE STREET FROM WHERE WE HELD OUR OTHER MEETING.
UM, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A BLOCK AWAY, MADAM CHAIR.
AND IT, YOU KNOW, AND IT'S, IS IT FREE? IT IS MADE AVAILABLE TO COMMUNITY GROUPS, UM, ON A VERY REDUCED BASIS.
UM, IT'S ROUGHLY IN THE 150 TO $250 RANGE FOR THE USE OF THE - AND WITH THE POSSIBILITY THAT THEY MAY HAVE TO WAIT THE FEES BECAUSE OF - TOTALLY NEGOTIABLE.
WE JUST HAVE TO BE CAREFUL IN THE SENSE OF, I KNOW WE HELP THEM WITH FEES AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE WHEN THEY'RE DOING THINGS AND CANCELING.
I DON'T WANNA DO A QUID PRO QUO TYPE THING.
I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THE SALES SIDE, BUT - WELL, DO THEY GET, THEY GET SOME SLIPS, THEY GET A LOT OF BENEFITS FROM THE CITY - RIGHT.
BECAUSE THEY'RE SERVING OUR COMMUNITY.
SO YOU WOULD THINK THAT THEY WOULD RECIPROCATE.
WE JUST HAVE TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE, UH, THE LEASE AGREEMENT.
I JUST, I, I JUST, I'D ASK THAT AND, AND CHECK WITH, UH, CHECK WITH LEGAL, UH, JUST TO MAKE SURE BECAUSE THIS, I THINK IT'S GREAT.
SO WHAT WOULD THE LEGAL, LEASE AGREEMENT SHARE OR SHOW? IT, IT COULD SAY THAT, UH, I, I, I DON'T THINK IT DOES, BUT THERE MAY BE SOME LANGUAGE - CONSTRAINTS.
NOT, NOT CONSTRAINTS, BUT ACTUAL LANGUAGE THAT SAYS, UH, MAKE SPACE AVAILABLE FOR, FOR CITY MEETINGS.
BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S IN THERE, BUT WE'LL CHECK.
UM, I WILL TELL YOU THAT KRISTEN WAS VERY WELCOMING.
UM, SHE SEES THIS, I THINK, IN THE GREATER OBJECTIVE OF BRINGING THE SEA BASE TO THE COMMUNITY IN A WAY THAT FOR FOLKS WHO AREN'T IN SCOUTING COULD THEN - THEY'RE GONNA SEE IT.
MORE PEOPLE WILL KNOW ABOUT IT.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO LEAVE THOSE TWO OPPORTUNITIES ON THE TABLE FOR, UM, A POTENTIAL OPPORTUNITY FOR A, A MORE PERMANENT SORT OF THE TRAVELING ROADSHOW MAP.
UM - AND MAYBE IF WE CAN LOG AS AN ACTION ITEM THAT TODDLE CHECK IF, IF THERE'S ANY CONSTRAINTS THERE BASED UPON THE AGREEMENT.
I THINK HAVING ONE PLACE, JUST HAVING ONE LOCATION THAT, THAT WE'RE CONSISTENT ON ALLOWS PEOPLE TO MAKE THAT, JUST LIKE I SAID, THE LONG BEACH IT CLUB FOREVER.
AND NOW WE HAVE THIS IS RIGHT DOWN THE STREET, UM, AND IT'S, IT'S REALLY WALKING DISTANCE FROM, FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THAT AREA.
NOW, WE DO KNOW THAT THE C BASE DOES HO- HOST PROGRAMMING IN THE SUMMERTIME.
SO THERE ARE, UH, CAMP, UM, CONSTRAINTS.
THEY MAY BE USING THAT ROOM FOR THEIR CAMPERS.
AND IT, FOR THREE MONTHS OF THE YEAR, WE MIGHT FIND AN ALTERNATIVE SPACE THAT MIGHT ALLOW US TO TRAVEL AND USE OTHER SPOTS WITHIN THE THIRD DISTRICT AND WITHIN THE, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT A BAD THING.
WELL, HAVE THE CAMPERS JOIN OUR MEETING AND LEARN SOMETHING.
SO I'D LIKE TO LEAVE THAT ON THE TABLE AS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR A NEW MEETING ROOM.
I HAVE A THIRD OPTION, WHICH I'M EXPLORING RIGHT NOW, AND MANY OF YOU PASS IT DAILY, UM, WHICH IS THE US SAILING CENTER.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY HAS ANY INSIDE INFO.
IS THAT THE ONE ON OCEAN? YEAH, THE ONE ON OCEAN.
WE JUST DID A MEETING THERE, UH, YESTERDAY WITH THE UKLEA.
I SIT ON THE BOARD OF THE UKLEA FOUNDATION AT LONG BEACH STATE AND WE DID OUR LEADERSHIP THERE AND I THINK WE HAD 45 PEOPLE - YEAH.
UH, IN THERE AND IT'S A BEAUTIFUL LOCATION.
I SNUCK A PHOTOGRAPH THROUGH THE OPEN LOUVER THROUGH THE WINDOW.
UM, THAT IS A CONSIDERABLY, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A BIG SPACE.
I MEAN, YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN THERE.
JOE'S BEEN THERE, YOU'VE BEEN THERE, YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN THERE, RIGHT? UM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE LEASE IS.
YOU KNOW, WE DON'T KNOW WHO'S OP - I MEAN, WE DO KNOW WHO OPERATES THE BUILDING.
WE DON'T KNOW THE OPPORTUNITY FOR OTHER COMMUNITY MEETINGS WITHIN THAT ROOM.
UM, AND I HAVE, UH, REPEATEDLY TRIED TO REACH THE MANAGEMENT OF THAT BUILDING IN THE LAST WEEK, BUT HAVE NOT RECEIVED A RESPONSE.
SO I'D LIKE TO PUT, AS A THIRD ALTERNATIVE, THE US SAILING CENTER, UM, NOT KNOWING, YOU KNOW, OTHER THAN THE FACT THAT THE FACILITY LOOKS WAY BIG AND LARGE ENOUGH TO HOLD PUBLIC MEETINGS, HOW ACCESSIBLE, HOW, WELL, IT'S ACCESSIBLE, UM, AVAILABLE FOR USE BY, UH, OTHERS IN THE COMMUNITY FOR MEETINGS, UH, WOULD BE A GREAT THING TO LEARN.
UM - MADAM CHAIR, IF YOU WANT, I'LL, UH, UH, I'VE WORKED WITH THE, THE SWIM GROUP, UM, THAT USES THAT CENTER DURING THE BIG SWIM.
SO I KNOW THE PRESIDENT THAT WORKS WITH THAT GROUP.
SO IF YOU WANT, I'LL REACH OUT TO HIM.
I WOULD LOVE TO GET A CONTACT.
SO TELEPHONE NUMBER, UH, EMAIL, WHATEVER.
AND THEN GREG SHEA WILL SEND YOU OVER TO MIKE SEGO.
I MEAN, THAT'S - NOBODY ANSWERS THE PHONE.
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SO I WILL TELL YOU THE DRILL.WHEN YOU CALL THE TELEPHONE NUMBER ON A WEBSITE, YOU GET A VERY APOLOGETIC MESSAGE.
THEY DON'T ANSWER THE PHONES BECAUSE THEY GET AN OVERWHELMING AMOUNT OF SPAM.
YOU MUST SEND AN EMAIL IN ORDER TO REACH ANYBODY.
SO THAT'S WHAT I DID, BUT I HAVEN'T HAD A RESPONSE IN THREE DAYS.
WHAT'S, DO YOU HAVE THEIR EMAIL BY ANY CHANCE ON YOU? IT'S MANAGER - MY DIRECTOR DID RETIRE.
WE KNOW THERE'S BEEN A CHANGE IN, UM, THE SORT OF LEADERSHIP AREA.
DOES ANYBODY, HAVING, HAVING YOU ALL, HAVING YOUR EXPERIENCE IN THAT ROOM, DO YOU SEE ANY DOWNSIDES TO A POTENTIAL COMMUNITY MEETING THERE ONCE A MONTH ON A THURSDAY AFTERNOON? I - 'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT THIS IS.
WE JUST HAVE TO CHECK AVAILABILITY WITH THEM.
AND THEN AGAIN, CHECK THE LEASE.
I BELIEVE THERE'S MORE PRODUCTIVE LANGUAGE IN THEIR LEASE THAN THERE IS.
AND IT'S THAT WHAT WE DO, MADAM CHAIR, WHAT WE DO AND WHAT PART OF THE JOB IS OF COURSE THE BEACHES, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
AND IT'S ALL WALKING DISTANCE.
THOSE PEOPLE THAT, AND, AND EVEN AN EVENING, MAYBE IT'S AN EVENING.
ANY, ANY, ANYTHING HERE THAT I MIGHT, WE MIGHT NEED TO KNOW ABOUT IN TERMS OF A DECISION IN, IN MOVING IN THIS DIRECTION? I JUST WANNA EXPLORE THESE KINDS OF THINGS RIGHT NOW BECAUSE I DON'T WANNA USE VALUABLE TIME IN TRYING TO FIND OUT IF THAT'S, UH, AN, A SUITABLE ALTERNATIVE WITHOUT HAVING YOUR INPUT.
WELL, LET'S, LET'S CHECK THE LEASE FIRST, PLEASE.
I THINK THE ONLY THING IS KIND OF THE SAME WITH THE, THE SCOUT BASE IS THAT IN THE SUMMER THAT'S GONNA BE VERY, VERY ACTIVE WITH, WITH SAN CAMP.
AND WE WOULD WELCOME THAT BECAUSE THAT WOULD GIVE US AN OPPORTUNITY TO MOVE OUT TO OTHERS VENUES WITHIN THE COMMUNITY, TO TELL YOU THE TRUTH.
OUR FEET ARE TO THE FIRE TO FIND ALTERNATIVES, RIGHT? AND WE WOULD KNOW THAT WELL IN ADVANCE AND KNOW THAT WE COULD PROJECT THOSE MEETINGS FOR THESE TWO MONTHS.
AND WE ALSO HAVE SYLVIE SHOCK CLUB THAT'S ALWAYS AT, YOU KNOW - ALWAYS THERE.
ADA ACCESSIBLE AND, YOU KNOW - THEY HAVE AN ELEVATOR.
UM, WE'RE BACK, MAY I JUST SAY, MY OBSERVATION IS WE'RE BACK TO YACHT CLUBS AS OPPOSED TO, UM, COMMUNITY - YES, OPERATIONS.
DO YOU THINK ONCE AGAIN, THAT'S PERCEPTION AND THAT'S WHY SOME MEMBERS OF OUR COMMUNITY - YES.
IT'S THOSE WORDS THAT ARE OFFENSIVE TO SOMETHING.
I THINK IT'S, UM - INTIMIDATING? AN ASSOCIATION WITH A YACHT CLUB IN THIS CITY COMMISSION, WHICH MAY BE A POTENTIAL, UM, I VIEW A POTENTIAL PERCEPTION OF - CONFLICT OF INTEREST IN A SENSE.
UH, ALTHOUGH CLBH YACHT CLUB IS, HAS A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE IN THEM, THE YACHTING COMMUNITY AND THE, THE, UH, YACHT CLUB COMMUNITY.
UM, IF WE COULD FIND AN, A COMMUNITY BUILDING, NONPROFIT BASED, ACCESSIBLE THAT MEETS ALL THOSE CRITERIA.
YOU KNOW, THE, THE OLD LIONS CLUB ON OCEAN TOO, UH, OPENS UP.
UM, AND - LIONS CLUB ON OCEAN.
IT'S RIGHT NEXT TO WHERE RIPPLES WAS.
THE DANCE CENTER? THE DANCE CENTER.
AND PARKING'S A LITTLE MORE OF A CHALLENGE.
BUT I'M JUST THINKING YOU MIGHT WANNA JUST CHECK IN, CHECK INTO THAT ONE.
THAT'S A GOOD IDEA TO LEVERAGE OFF OF AA MEETINGS BECAUSE - ABSOLUTELY.
MORE THAN DOWNSTAIRS AT MARINA PACIFIC.
AND EVERYBODY WOULD WANT A JOB WHEN THEY FOUND OUT I WORKED AT UPS.
ARE YOU HIRING? HOW LONG HAVE YOU BEEN SOBER?
DO WE HAVE - THAT'S GOOD TO LOOK WHO ELSE LOOKS - WHO DOES, WHO ELSE, WHO DO WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT? I'LL FIND OUT.
I'LL FIND OUT FROM MY GUY THAT LEADS THE AA MEETING.
THAT'S YOUR TWO ACTION ITEMS - YES, MA'AM.
IS TO FIND OUT ABOUT, UM, THE US SAILING CENTER ROOM AND TO TALK TO SOMEONE AS WELL AS THE LIONS CLUB.
AND THEN, UM, I'M HAPPY TO DO A WALKTHROUGH, UH, IN EARLY DECEMBER.
UH, TO SORT OF FIGURE OUT - BOTH OF THEM.
AND WE MIGHT HAVE ADVANCED TIME BETWEEN NOW AND THEN TO ASSURE OURSELVES, FOR INSTANCE, THAT THE US SAILING CENTER LEASE HAS LANGUAGE THAT MIGHT ALLOW US TO MEET.
UM, LION'S CLUB MAY BE A LITTLE LESS, UM, AVAILABLE AND ACCESSIBLE TO FOLKS LIKE YOU, BUT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO FIND OUT MORE.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT SHE MEANT, BUT WHEN SHE LOOKED AT YOU, FOLKS LIKE YOU, I DON'T KNOW.
YOU GOTTA SAY THE CONNECTED ONES IN THE ROOM.
UM, SO MOVING ON, THOSE WERE THE TWO - REFLECT THAT CORRECTION, PLEASE.
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WORK LIFE.SO JUST TO TOUCH BASE ON YOUR, YOUR MEETING TIME CHANGE.
IF YOU ARE GOING TO RECOMMEND THAT TIME CHANGE, WE HAVE TO AGENDA IT.
AND THEN IT WOULD BE A DISCUSSION ABOUT CHANGING YOUR BYLAWS BECAUSE TIME IS A BYLAW.
SO BASICALLY WE WOULD HAVE TO AGENDA IT AND IF THAT'S THE DIRECTION YOU WANT TO GO, I'D SAY MAYBE JANUARY WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA TO AGENDA IT.
AND - I WOULD, IN AN OPEN CONVERSATION WITH OTHER COMMISSIONERS TO SAY, HERE'S A SUGGESTED NEW MEETING TIME.
IT WOULD REQUIRE THESE STEPS IN ORDER FOR THIS DECISION TO BE MADE AND FOR THE, IS IT THE CITY CHARTER? WELL, AND WE'D ALSO BE ABLE TO KNOW FROM STAFF WHAT KIND OF IMPACT.
WE DON'T WANT TO CAUSE ANYTHING THAT'S FINANCIALLY DETRIMENTAL IF THAT'S GOING TO REQUIRE OVERTIME OR SOMETHING.
UM, WE HAVEN'T HAD A REPRESENTATIVE FROM SOME OF THE COUNCIL DISTRICTS LIKE WE HAVE IN THE PAST.
UM, BUT THAT MAY IMPACT THAT ATTENDANCE, SO.
AND MADAM CHAIR ALSO, WHEN WE'RE OUT TALKING WITH THEM, WHAT IS THE AVAILABILITY AT A FOUR O'CLOCK TIME SPOT? OH ABSOLUTELY.
ON THOS THURSDAYS BECAUSE WE WOULD KNOW THEN IF WE'RE EVEN GOING TO CHANGE THE TIME.
UM, ALSO PART OF THAT IS RIGHT NOW YOU HAVE A, A SIX, UH, SIX PERSON PANEL.
UH, WOULD YOU LIKE TO WAIT A LITTLE ON THAT TO GET MORE COMMISSIONERS ONTO YOUR PANEL TO HAVE A FULL VOTE? THAT'S AN EXCELLENT IDEA.
I WILL SAY WE MIGHT START THE CONVERSATION AT OUR RETREAT TO HAVE COMMISSIONERS, THE SIX THAT ARE NOW SITTING TO CONSIDER WHAT CHANGES THIS WOULD IMPACT THEM AND, UM, HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING AND, UM, CONSENSUS ON THE TIME CHANGE.
SO WITH THAT, WE'D HAVE TO PUT IT ON THE AGENDA AS A - DISCUSSION? YEAH.
SO JUST REMEMBER RETREATS ARE NO LONGER LIKE NON-PUBLIC AWAY.
THEY'RE IN PUBLIC MEETINGS, SO ANYTHING YOU DISCUSS HAS TO BE AGENDA.
HEAR, HEAR YOU LOUD AND CLEAR.
UM, SO MOVING ON TO THE NEXT ITEMS THAT I WAS GOING TO FOLLOW UP FROM, SHE SAYS, UH, FROM LAST MONTH'S MEETING.
UM, WE HAD ASKED, UH, BRIAN TO FOLLOW UP WITH THE BAY FOUNDATION WITH RESPECT TO DUNE RESTORATION PROJECTS AND SORT OF THE SCIENCE BEHIND THAT AND THE UNDERSTANDING OF HOW OTHER CITIES ARE RESPONDING TO, UM, AND, AND, AND ENCOURAGING DUNE RESTORATIONS IN THEIR PART OF THE WORLD.
I HAVE EMAILED WITH TOM FORD, UM, AND I'M TRYING TO COORDINATE WITH HIM WHEN HE HAS FREE TIME.
UM, I'VE ALSO QUEUED UP ANOTHER COLLEAGUE THAT'S ON THE BOARD FOR THE BAY FOUNDATION THAT KEEPS SOME PRESSURE ON THAT, UM, SO WE CAN GET IT SCHEDULED SOONER THAN LATER.
UM, I'M HOPING THAT BY, BY THE END OF THIS MONTH WE CAN KIND OF TIE HIM INTO A CERTAIN DATE.
THAT WOULD MAKE - UM, HE'S JUST A VERY, HE'S A VERY BUSY INDIVIDUAL WITH EVERYTHING GOING ON, SO IT'S, IT'S BEEN A LITTLE TRICKY, UH, TO GET IT, GET HIS EAR, BUT I AM WORKING ON IT DAILY.
UM, AND I WOULD SUGGEST SOME TIMING IN FIRST QUARTER OF NEXT YEAR.
WE DON'T NEED ANYTHING SOONER THAN THAT, RIGHT? UM - HOW WAS YOUR, HOW WAS THE GENTLEMAN THAT CAME IN? WAS HE, WAS HE PRETTY STOKED WHEN HE LEFT? I, I DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH TIME TO TALK TO HIM THAT, UH, WAS OUR GUEST SPEAKER.
DID HE HAVE A - OH, HE HAD GREAT TIME.
YO GUYS KNOW THAT, RIGHT? YES.
AND HE SAYS THAT? UM, HE'S WRITING HIS MEMOIRS.
SO, UH, THESE, I DON'T KNOW HOW HE DID IT.
CAN YOU MAKE SURE HE SPELLS MY LAST NAME RIGHT? MAG - NO.
AND THE COPIOUS NOTES THAT HE TOOK FOLLOWING THESE CONVERSATIONS THAT WERE SO LIFE CHANGING FOR HIM, UH, JUST, HE KEPT A DIARY AND HAS EVERY, EVERY, UH, DETAIL.
UM, AND HIS ADVENTURES IN THE WORLD OF ENVIRONMENTAL ACTIVISM ON BEHALF OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA IS CRAZY.
UH, SO HE HAD A GREAT TIME AND I WANTED - GOOD.
THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP BECAUSE I WANTED TO THANK YOU FOR INDULGING MY REQUEST TO HAVE HIM SPECIFICALLY COME AND SPEAK.
IT'D BE FUN JUST TO HAVE HIM SIT AROUND WITH COFFEE AND TELL STORIES.
ITALIA, THAT BUILDING ON OCEAN BOULEVARD AND HOW IT CAME TO BE WHERE, WHEREAS THE REST OF THE OCEAN BOULEVARD STAYED SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT'S JUST ONE GREAT THING.
UM, I'M MOVING ON TO ANOTHER ITEM WHICH I HAD REQUESTED IN THE PAST FOR AN AGENDA
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ITEM.AND IT GOES TO THE UNDERSTANDING THAT WE HAVE LA 2028 KICKING OFF MUCH MORE SERIOUSLY.
WE HAVE, UH, YOU AND YOUR STAFF, TODD, UM, MAKING, UM, COMMUNITY MEETINGS AND KEEPING THE PUBLIC UPDATED ON WHAT'S GOING ON WITH WHAT YOU KNOW AT THE MOMENT ON LA 2028.
AND I FOUND THAT TO BE VERY HELPFUL, UH, MYSELF BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I LIVE IN THE THIRD DISTRICT AND MY LIFE IS GONNA BE IMPACTED OUTSIDE OF ANY OTHER INTERESTS I MIGHT HAVE ON THE LA 2028.
I WAS THINKING AND HAD PROPOSED A STANDING AGENDA ITEM ON AN UPDATE ON LA 2028 AT THE MARINE ADVISORY COMMISSION.
UM, AT, AT THE TIME, UH, IT WAS SOMETHING THAT YOU HAD RESPONDED TO ME ON, WHICH WAS THAT IT REQUIRES, UM, CITY ATTORNEY APPROVAL TO HAVE THE KIND OF, UM, I GUESS A STANDING AGENDA ITEM OR A STANDING AGENDA ITEM ON LA 2028.
BUT CAN I BRING THIS UP AGAIN? SURE.
HOPING THAT WE CAN HAVE IT FOR THE PURPOSES, BECAUSE WE DO KNOW INFORMATION IS COMING THROUGH AND YOU ARE ONE OF THE POINT PEOPLE ON THAT.
UM, WOULD YOU BE AMENDABLE TO MAYBE A QUARTERLY? ABSOLUTELY.
UM, BECAUSE I, IT'S, IT'S NOT SO MUCH...
I COULD GIVE A, A MONTHLY UPDATE ON OLYMPICS - YEAH.
FROM LIKE WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH US AND WHERE WE'RE GOING.
BUT, UH, I WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, UH, THE, THE POINT PEOPLE IS - IT'S, IT'S HARD.
JORGE GODINEZ, TYLER, TYLER CURLEY BONANNO.
UH, THOSE FOLKS, SEAN, UH, BARYL, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY'RE THE POINT PEOPLE FOR LA 28.
AND USE THE MAC AS A WAY TO AMPLI- AMPLIFY SOME OF THAT INFORMATION TO THE COMMUNITY.
NOT EVERYBODY GETS INVITED TO THE LONG BEACH BOAT OWNERS ASSOCIATION.
NOT EVERYBODY GETS INVITED TO THE, THE VARIOUS YACHT CLUBS WHO DO REACH OUT TO YOU FOR INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE THIRD, IN THE MARINE BUREAU'S OPERATIONS.
THERE MAY BE OTHER PUBLIC OPPORTUNITIES TO INVITE FOLKS WHO ARE NOT ASSOCIATED WITH THOSE COMMUNITIES.
UM, THE RESIDENTS WHO MAYBE DON'T KNOW MUCH ABOUT BOATING OR YACHT CLUBS IN LONG BEACH.
AND WE COULD THEN AMPLIFY, USE THE MAC AS A WAY.
AND IT'S STRICTLY THE PERSPECTIVE IS MARINE BUREAU, OKAY? WE DON'T NEED TO TALK ABOUT VOLUNTEERING.
WE DON'T NEED TO TALK ABOUT SECURITY NECESSARILY UNLESS IT IMPACTS YOUR OPERATIONS.
I'M SUGGESTING MERELY, HOW IS MARINE BUREAU MOVING AHEAD AND MANAGING THE NEW RESPONSIBILITIES THAT ARE COMING YOUR WAY WITH RESPECT TO THE LA 2020? AND IT MAY NOT MEAN INVITING - YEAH.
IT COULD BE VERY USEFUL AND IF THEY HAVE THE TIME AND THEY WOULD BE, I SUSPECT, VERY WELCOME.
BUT I'M MORE INTERESTED IN WHAT IS MARINE BUREAU? HOW ARE YOU GUYS, WHAT CAN, WHAT CAN THE PUBLIC KNOW NOW WHAT WE DO KNOW, WHAT'S BEING RELEASED? AND I THINK IT WOULD BE A PUBLIC SERVICE.
SO A QUARTERLY STANDING AGENDA ITEM FOR NOT A MONTHLY MANAGER'S REPORT OR A MANAGER'S UPDATE, BUT LA 2028.
QUARTERLY, UH, LET ME TOUCH BASE WITH CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE.
UH, JUST TO KIND OF SEE - YEAH.
I THINK THEY'LL BE, BE OKAY WITH THAT.
BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST - THERE'S JUST SO MUCH IN WORKING, WORKING WITH LA 28.
I MEAN, WE'RE, WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO TALK ABOUT ANYTHING YET BECAUSE OF THE SECURITY THINGS AND THINGS THAT ARE ALL CHANGING.
UH, NEW MAYOR IN LA, UM, IS GONNA GET SUPPOSEDLY LETTING THE, THE, THE LAPD CHIEF LEAVE.
UM, AND, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THERE'S SO MUCH GOING ON RIGHT NOW AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT OUR RESIDENTS WANNA KNOW.
CAN I GET TO HOME? CAN I GO HOME? CAN I GET OUT OF HOME? ARE MY BOATS GONNA BE ABLE TO BE UTILIZED? YEAH.
YOU KNOW, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
UM - AND, AND I, I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU.
AND THIS FOR ME IS LA 2028 OUT HERE.
I THINK TODD'S PERSPECTIVE AND MARINE BUREAU, FORGIVE ME FOR A MOMENT, IS DOWN HERE.
IT'S WHERE RESIDENTS AND VOTERS AND, UH, OUR COMMUNITY MEMBERS ARE GOING TO BE DIRECTLY AFFECTED.
IT'S KIND OF A DOWN AND IN AS OPPOSED TO AN UP AND OUT.
I, I TRULY RECOMMEND FOR THAT SORT OF JUST UPDATE.
UH, WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT WE PUT IN OUR, OUR MONTHLY HIGHLIGHT FOR THE MANAGER'S REPORT.
WE'LL PUT SOME SORT OF OLYMPIC ELEMENT JUST AS A MINOR COMMUNITY.
UM, BUT IF I DON'T GIVE YOU, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE GET TO THE MONTHLY, THE MANAGER'S REPORT, JUST ASK.
YOU KNOW, I'LL, I'LL, I CAN GIVE YOU A QUICK FIVE MINUTE.
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AND IT HITS THE RECORD AND WE CAN TELL PEOPLE - YEAH.COME TO A MAC MEETING, RIGHT? COME AND LISTEN, RIGHT? YEAH.
BECAUSE THERE'S SOME STUFF THAT'S GONNA BE HAPPENING HERE THAT YOU MIGHT FIND OF AN INTEREST.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE A BOATER.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE ANY OTHER INTEREST IN LONG BEACH, BUT TO HEAR HOW OUR, OUR, HOW'S THE MARINE BUREAU MANAGING THE RESPONSIBILITIES THAT ARE COMING OUR DIRECT WAY, BECAUSE THAT IS UNDER OUR PURVIEW AS A ADVISORY COMMISSION.
MADAM CHAIR, IN JANUARY, IS IT POSSIBLE THAT WE COULD ALSO LOOK AT HAVING TRAFFIC, UH, COME IN? TRAFFIC.
2500 NEW PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE MOVING IN, UH, BY NEXT YEAR.
5,000 NEW VEHICLES IN THIS AREA.
AND I'D ALSO LIKE TO KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE MANDATORY THAT THEY ARE GONNA PUT IN THE, THE COIN OP METERS AT, YOU KNOW, THREE DOLLARS AN HOUR.
UM, JUST LIKE TO HAVE THE INPUT.
I, I'VE, I'VE BEEN ASKING ABOUT THAT.
WE'RE STILL, IT'S, WE'RE STILL WAITING ON THE NEW UPDATED S - UH, STUDY, PARKING STUDY TO BE COMPLETED.
AND THEN THE EXPECTATION IS ONCE THAT'S COMPLETED AND CITY STAFF HAVE COMPLETED THEIR, THEIR REVIEW OF THE CONSENSUS, THAT WILL BRING A, A PRESENTATION TO THE MAC.
UH, THAT'S JUST BEEN KIND OF, YOU KNOW, WAITING ON THAT STUDY.
YEAH, SUBJECT TO THE SEASONAL CHANGES, RIGHT? AND I THINK THERE'S LOTS OF THINGS WITH THAT NEW HOUSING THAT ARE GONNA IMPACT US IN ADDITION TO PARKING.
YOU KNOW, YOU LOOK AT THE NUMBER OF SCHOOL AGED CHILDREN THAT LIVE THERE.
AND MAYBE WE SHOULD BE DOING SOMETHING IN OUR PARK SPACE.
IT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOTTA START THINKING ABOUT WITH THAT MANY ADDITIONAL FAMILIES MOVING IN THE FOOTPRINT ADJACENT TO US.
UM, WE HAVE TO HAVE SERVICES FOR THEM.
HOW DO THEY GET TO SCHOOL? WHERE DO, HOW DO, HOW ARE THEY...
WE S - I SAT OUT THERE AND I SWEAR I THOUGH HER GLAD SHE DROVE BY.
I SAT OUT THERE WITH MY CHAIR AND MY DOG AND I'M JUST THINKING, OKAY, WHERE ARE PEOPLE GOING TO GO TO SCHOOL? THEY'RE NOT JUST GONNA GO TO THE RESTAURANT CENTER.
GOOD FOR THEM IF THEY'RE NOT, BUT THEY'RE NOT.
YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GONNA SHOP, YOU KNOW, AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST THE TRAFFIC.
THERE'LL BE A LOT OF WALKING TRAFFIC, MIND YOU.
THERE'LL BE, THERE'LL BE TONS OF WALKING TRAFFIC BECAUSE PEOPLE AREN'T GONNA GET OUT OF THERE.
UM,
THERE'S, THERE'S BEEN SOME CHANGES IN THE PUBLIC WORKS TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT - HAS THERE? OKAY.
UM, BUT I CAN GIVE A CALL AND JUST SEE IF, UH, THE, THE CITY ENGINEER, UH, CAN COME AND TESTIFY.
IT'S LIKE THE CHAIRWOMAN STATED.
IT WOULD JUST BE - IF IT'S THE OLYMPICS, IF IT'S THE OLYMPICS, THAT'S ONE THING, BUT THIS IS GOING TO AFFECT EVERYBODY IN THIS FOREVER.
AND, AND GET A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT TO EXPECT.
SO IT WON'T BE SUCH A BIG SURPRISE.
UM, I AM HERE TO CONGRATULATE MARINE BUREAU ON YOUR FABULOUS, UM, MARINE BUREAU, UH, QUESTION AGENDA REQUEST Q&A LOG.
MAY I JUST SAY, THIS IS, THIS IS A WINDOW TO WHAT COMMISSIONERS ARE SENDING ON A MONTHLY BASIS IN RESPONSE TO TAMLIN'S, HERE'S YOUR CHANCE, GET YOUR AGENDA ITEM IN, GET YOUR IDEAS AND SUGGESTIONS, WHICH, UM, I TOTALLY WELCOME AND APPRECIATE.
BUT I PERSONALLY STOPPED RESPONDING BECAUSE I DIDN'T SEE MUCH.
UH, THERE WERE CERTAIN THINGS THAT DID COME FORWARD, BUT OTHER THINGS THAT DID NOT.
AND I FULLY UNDERSTAND THAT THEY WERE DISCUSSED, BUT NEVER CAME FORWARD.
SO HERE WE ARE WITH INFORMATION THAT COMES FROM THE COMMISSIONERS, UM, THAT IS THEIR QUESTIONS ON ITEMS THAT THEY MIGHT WANNA SEE ON AN AGENDA ITEM FOR THE MARINE ADVISORY COMMISSION.
IS THERE ANYTHING HERE THAT CANNOT BE SHARED WITH OTHER COMMISSIONERS? BECAUSE YOU DID SAY IN RESPONSE THAT THIS IS A RESPONSE THAT GOES DIRECTLY TO THAT COMMISSIONER.
IF COMMISSIONER BLAIR ASKED FOR AN AGENDA ITEM, THE RESPONSE GOES BACK TO COMMISSIONER BLAIR, BUT NOT THE REST OF THE COMMISSIONERS.
UM, I THINK, I, I DON'T THINK SO.
I, THE, THERE'S A FINE LINE BETWEEN WHAT IS A QUESTION AND WHAT IS AN AGENDA ITEM.
OR A COMPLAINT, MAY I OFFER AN OBSERVATION? IT'S NEVER COMPLAINING.
AND THEY'RE LOOKING TO YOU, SUPERMAN.
SO I, IT - CAN I - WE TAKE, WE TAKE THEM ALL IN AND SAY, OKAY, THAT'S A QUESTION.
SO I TRY TO, OR WE TRY TO ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS INDIVIDUALLY.
AND WHEREAS IF A, A AGENDA ITEM COMES IN, IT GOES ON THE AGENDA.
WITHOUT, WELL, WITH DISCUSSION HERE AT THE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE.
IF IT'S - WELL IT COMES TO US FOR IT.
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AND YOU CAN SAY YES OR NO.BUT, AND THAT'S, THEREIN LIES, I WOULD SAY FROM, FROM THAT CALL FOR AGENDA ITEMS, WE PROBABLY GET 75% QUESTIONS, 25%.
WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND IS THAT THIS BE SHARED WITH THE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE SO THAT THEY ARE PREPARED TO DEAL WITH AND UNDERSTAND WHAT'S COMING FORWARD, I THINK IS APPROPRIATE, RIGHT? BECAUSE THESE ARE AGENDA ITEM SUGGESTIONS POTENTIALLY.
AND WE ARE HERE TO DEAL WITH AN AGENDA ITEM.
UM, FROM A TECHNICAL QUESTION, IF IT'S THEN SHARED WITH THE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE, DOES THAT GO IN AS A PART OF OUR MINUTES AND IS THAT A PART OF OUR PACKAGE FOR THAT? SO DOES THAT SO IT WOULD BE PUBLIC.
LET US CHECK WITH, UH, THE CITY CLERK.
WHETHER IT'S LIKE A WORKING PAPER.
AND MAYBE, UM, AND I THINK THAT MAYBE TO CALL THAT A WORKING PAPER IS, UM, THE WAY TO ADDRESS IT WHEN ASKING FOR DIRECTION TOO.
SO SHOULD I KNOW IT'S AN INTERNAL, UH - DOCUMENT FOR US.
SHOULD I BE MORE, MORE, SHOULD I ADD, LIKE DO A PARAGRAPH INSTEAD OF JUST PUTTING PARKING IN RESTROOMS EVERY TIME? NO, NO, NO.
NO, WE CAN ADDRESS AT OUR RETREAT, AT OUR RETREAT.
WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO OFFER GUIDANCE TO OUR COMMUNITY.
I THINK WE KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ON HOW TO FORMAT AND CONSIDER WHAT MIGHT BE IN A POTENTIAL AGENDA ITEM OR SOMETHING THAT MIGHT BE ADDRESSED TO TODD SEPARATELY IN A Q&A.
AND AGAIN, IT, IT, HONESTLY, IT DOESN'T MAKE A DIFFERENCE TO US.
IF IT'S A QUESTION THAT COMES IN, IT'S AN AGENDA ITEM THAT COMES IN.
IT'S JUST, THERE'S A LOT OF IT IS NOT AN AGENDA.
THE ONLY THING IS, IS THAT I WAS GOING, GOING FORWARD, WE'RE GOING TO PUT THE AGENDA CONVERSATION ON REQUESTS ON THE ACTUAL AGENDA.
I WAS GOING TO STOP DOING THE AGENDA REQUESTS ON EMAIL BECAUSE IT'S REPETITIVE.
SO WHAT DO YOU WANT? UM, I THINK WE SHOULD PUT IT ON OUR AGENDA FOR SUGGESTED AGENDA ITEMS. OKAY.
TO TAKE YOU OUT FROM UNDERNEATH POTENTIALLY THIS COMMUNICATION LOOP.
CAN HAVE A PUBLIC CONVERSATION.
ALL COMMISSIONERS HEAR EVERY OTHER COMMISSIONER'S SUGGESTION FOR AN AGENDA.
THEN THAT WAY WE CAN HAVE AN OPEN CONVERSATION.
IT TAKES UP AN AGENDA AND IT TAKES UP SPACE ON OUR, IN OUR VALUABLE MAC MEETING, BUT IT'S IMPORTANT.
WELL, AND THAT WOULD BE MY SUGGESTION WITH THAT IS MAYBE THOSE AGENDA ITEMS BE QUARTERLY AS WELL.
IT GIVES US TIME BECAUSE IF WE'RE GETTING A AGENDA ITEM EVERY MONTH - YES.
THAT, THAT, THAT'S GONNA INUNDATE OUR ABILITY.
SO IF WE GET THEM ONCE A, A QUARTER, WE CAN ATTACK THEM EACH QUARTER.
SO PUT THAT ON A QUARTERLY BASIS THEN? QUARTERLY BASIS.
WE CAN START THAT JANUARY? I LIKE THAT.
THEN IN MARCH OR APRIL WE WOULD, WE WOULD, WE WOULD LOOK AT THE ONE WOULD BRING UP TO US.
AND WE DECIDE, OKAY, THIS IS A GOOD ONE, THIS IS A GOOD ONE, THIS IS A GOOD ONE.
'CAUSE WE HAVE PLENTY OF THINGS IN PLAY RIGHT NOW.
UM, I AM GOING TO, UM, MM, UH, UH, MENTION THE FACT THAT JACK NICHOLS PARK IS NOW SUPPOSEDLY UNDER RESTORATION.
IT'S JACK NICHOLS PARK, RIGHT? THAT'S THE ONE OVER BY THE - UH-HUH.
UM, THE IDEA BEING THAT IT WAS THE HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION WHO'S NOW IN THE PROCESS OF WORKING ON A RESTORATION PLAN.
THEY'RE IN, THEY'RE IN THE PROCESS OF GETTING ALL THEIR APPROVALS.
AND THAT WOULD BE A PUBLIC PARK, CORRECT, FROM THAT ONE? IT IS A PUBLIC PARK.
WE CAN HAVE LIKE THE PRESIDENT OF THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION.
THEY HAVE TO ENHANCE IT BECAUSE OF, UH, A CALIFORNIA COASTAL COMMISSION JUDGMENT THAT, UH, THEY HAVE LIMITED PUBLIC ACCESS TO THEIR AREA.
AND IN RESPONSE TO THAT, UH, A MITIGATION HAS BEEN SET UP TO WHERE THEY ARE ENHANCING THE PUBLIC PARK SPACE.
AND THAT HAS GREAT HISTORY THAT LINKS BACK TO OUR COMMISSION.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO BRING THIS FORWARD, UM, TO SAY WHEN WE DO KNOW MORE ABOUT THE STATUS OF THAT PARK, TO HOST A, A TOUR FOR COMMISSIONERS OUT AT AN AREA THAT IT'S BEEN A VERY WELL KEPT SECRET.
AND I THINK THE MORE WE CAN DO TO BRING, UH, AN, YOU KNOW, HOW TO GET BACK THERE IS JUST A BIG DEAL TOO.
SO MAY I PUT THAT ON A FUTURE AGENDA ITEM? UM, I WILL ALSO, UH, IN A VERY TIMELY WAY, EXPLAIN THAT, UM, THE CITY OF LONG BEACH IS NOW DEALING WITH, UH, EMERGENCY PRO- PROCLAMATION, UM,
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MATTERS, UH, REGARDING THE EL NINO AND THE, UM, MANAGEMENT OF THE PENINSULA AND OTHER AREAS OF LONG BEACH.UM, THERE IS AN LCP AMENDMENT AND MUNICIPAL CODE AMENDMENT MEETING FOR CITY COUNCIL ON THE 17TH OF NOVEMBER.
UM, I JUST RAISED THAT WITH ALL OF YOU KNOWING THAT THE CITY IS NOW GOING TO BE ENGAGED IN WAYS TO DEAL WITH EMERGENCY PROCLAMATIONS UNDER THE LOCAL COASTAL PLAN AND UNDER OUR LCP, WHICH I SUSPECT MAY HAVE A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT ON MARINE BUREAU AS WE MOVE AHEAD.
SO I BRING THAT UP ONLY WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF MARINE BUREAU AND THIS IS HAPPENING ON NOVEMBER 17TH.
THE, UM, UH, STAFF REPORT, UH, CITY STAFF REPORT WILL BE AVAILABLE ON THE 13TH.
SO WE'LL HAVE A, A WINDOW TO THE WORLD OF HOW THEY PLAN TO KEEP UP WITH HOW THIS IS HAPPENING IN OUR WORLD.
UM, DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER SUGGESTIONS FOR AGENDA ITEMS MOVING AHEAD? OKAY.
UH, ONCE WE GET THOSE DOCUMENTS AND ASK, UH, THEM TO COME OUT AND DO A PRESENTATION.
UM, W- WHEN IS OUR NEXT EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE MEETING IN DECEMBER? UM - THE FIRST THURSDAY.
I WILL NOT BE ABLE TO ATTEND ON THE 3RD.
WHERE ARE YOU GOING? WHERE ARE YOU ALWAYS GOING? I MEAN, COME ON, YOU MADE A COMMITMENT TO BE OUR CHAIR.
I'M WORKING, BUT I'M IN MEXICO.
I WILL NOT BE ABLE TO ATTEND THE MEETING ON THE 3RD.
UM, BECAUSE I WILL BE RETURNING THAT EVENING.
SO WE HAVE ENOUGH TIME TO NOTICE IF WE DID A LITTLE BIT OF A DEVIATION.
ARE YOU WITHIN A FEW DAYS OF - I'M HERE ON THE 4TH.
SO FRIDAY THE 4TH? LET'S JUST DO FRIDAY THE 4TH.
THE FOLLOWING MONDAY MIGHT BE GREAT.
I'LL BE - WELL, IT'S A LITTLE LATE TO GET EVERYTHING THROUGH ON THE AGENDA.
AND THIS WAY WE CAN NOTICE FAR ENOUGH AHEAD.
UM, SO YOU WANNA MOVE IT TO 9:30 ON THE 4TH? SURE.
9:00, WELL, WE'RE NOW MEETING AT 9:30, SO THE 4TH.
DOES THAT WORK WITH YOU? YEAH.
CAN I, CAN I ADD IN SOMETHING? I HAVE A, UH, A COMMITTEE FOR THE IOWA.
IS, CAN WE MAKE IT 10:00? OH, I WOULD BE HAPPY TO MAKE IT AT 10:00.
ME PERSONALLY, IF ALL THE REST OF YOU CAN JOIN US ON THE 10TH, UH, 10:00 ON THE 4TH FOR OUR NEXT.
AND I WILL CLOSE BY SAYING I, UH, I HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO MEET WITH DIRECTOR SCOTT THIS PAST WEEK.
UM, FINALLY CAN ASSOCIATE, UH, A NAME WITH A FACE AND A VOICE AND A PERSONALITY.
AND I THINK, I THINK IT WAS A VERY PRODUCTIVE MEETING.
HE WAS VERY EAGER TO SHARE THE FACT THAT HIS OWN SCHEDULING IS M - IS CHANGING IN THE NEXT - OKAY.
AND HE SEES THE POTENTIAL FOR ATTENDING A MAC MEETING ON A THURSDAY AFTERNOON BECAUSE CERTAIN OTHER ELEMENTS AT CITY HALL THAT WE'RE CALLING ON HIS VALUABLE TIME AT 2:30 ON A THURSDAY AFTERNOON HAVE MAYBE CHANGING.
SO HE'S, UH, GIVEN US THE HEADS UP THAT HE MAY BE ABLE TO, UH, COME AND EXPERIENCE A MAC MEETING.
I'LL ALSO ADD MADAM CHAIR TALKING, UH, WITH THE MAYOR THAT HE SAYS IF WE EVER NEED HIM TO COME IN AND DO ANY PRESENTATION, JUST GIVE HIM ENOUGH NOTICE.
THAT'D BE KIND OF FUN TO HAVE THE MAYOR SHOW UP.
WHAT WOULD YOU HAVE HAD? I'M SURE ALL THE STAFF WOULD.
WOULDN'T THAT BE FUN? WELL, IT WOULD BE.
HOW ABOUT, HOW ABOUT, UM, I WILL SUGGEST, OH, THE OLYMPICS IS YES, TOP OF MIND, BUT ALSO THIS QUESTION OF HOW'S THE CITY DEALING WITH OUR EMERGENCY RESPONSE TO THE PENINSULA AND, UM, KING TIDES AND SEA LEVEL RISE AND OTHER THINGS ON A GREATER, BIGGER BASIS.
THAT WOULD BE MY INTEREST IN HEARING FROM, FROM THE GUY.
AND, AND, AND MADAM CHAIR TOO, I'LL, I'LL THROW OUT THE...
I HAD A GREAT CONVERSATION WITH THE CITY COUNCILWOMAN'S CHIEF OF STAFF ON TIDELANDS.
I MADE MYSELF MORE AWARE OF TIDELANDS.
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THIS KID HAS - MR. CASPER.I MEAN, HE HAS DEEP DIVED - YES.
AND THAT WOULD BE A GREAT ITEM FOR US TO COME IN FOR A SPECIAL PRESENTATION - YES.
OF JUST TIDELANDS, WHERE WE, WHERE WE WERE - YES.
WHERE WE ARE, AND WHERE WE'RE GOING.
AND HE HAS A, IT, IT, IT'S LIKE, I, I SAT THERE FOR AN HOUR AND A HALF IN AWE, LIKE GOING - GREAT.
YOU GOTTA COME TO A MAC MEETING BECAUSE - SO I WILL ASK YOU TO MAKE YOUR OWN ACTION ITEM.
ASK HIM ABOUT HIS AVAILABILITY AND HIS INTEREST IN MAKING A PRESENTATION TO MAC.
I WOULD LOVE TO ENCOURAGE MEMBERS OF THE THIRD DISTRICT STAFF TO, UH, ATTEND MAC MEETINGS.
I BELIEVE THAT WE ARE DOING OUR FAIR SHARE IN ATTENDING ALAMEDA'S BAY - STAKEHOLDERS.
AND I BELIEVE THERE SHOULD BE A RECIP- RECIPROCITY.
IF THERE'S INFORMATION BEING SHARED IN THAT MEETING, IT WOULD BE REALLY GREAT TO HAVE IT COME OUT IN A - I AGREE.
THAT IS NOT TO SAY THAT THAT IS NOT A PUBLIC FORUM.
HOWEVER, IT IS AN INVITEE MEETING.
I HAVE ASKED THAT I BE INCLUDED ON THAT INVITEE LIST BY, BY THE WAY, UH, AND I WILL ATTEND WHENEVER MY SCHEDULE ALLOWS.
BUT HAVING THE THIRD DISTRICT COME AND HELP US BETTER UNDERSTAND WHAT THE THIRD DISTRICT IS DEALING WITH WOULD BE GREAT.
AND I WOULD ADD THE FUTURE OF THE AES PUMPS TO THAT AGENDA ITEM.
I HAVE TO, I HAVE TO EXCUSE MYSELF.
I HAVE TO HOP INTO A PREPAREDNESS MEETING.
I WAS GONNA JUST CALL THE PUBLIC COMMENT.
IS IT SEEING NONE? UH, WE FINISHED WITH OUR, OUR COMMENTS ON OUR AGENDA ITEM.
I'M GONNA SAY THAT THE MEETING IS ADJOURNED AT 10:27.
THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR TIME TODAY.