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EVENING EVERYONE.I WOULD LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND CALL
[CALL TO ORDER]
THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING TO ORDER FOR NOVEMBER 5TH, 2026.[ROLL CALL]
CALL FOR THE ROLL.AND FOR THE RECORD, I'D LIKE TO, UH, NOTE THAT COMMISSIONER SANTOS AND, AND VICE CHAIR WARE ARE EXCUSED FROM THE MEETING.
ARE THERE ANY OBJECTIONS FROM THE COMMISSIONERS? THANK YOU.
[PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE]
TRANSITION OVER TO THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.COMMISSIONER TEMPLIN, WOULD YOU DO THE HONORS? I'D BE HONORED, SIR.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, COMMISSIONER TEMPLIN.
UH, AT THIS POINT, WE WANNA SWEAR IN WITNESSES.
UM, IF YOU ARE GOING TO BE GIVING TESTIMONY, PLEASE STAND AND RAISE YOUR HAND.
NO ONE IN THE AUDIENCE WILL BE, UH...
DO YOU SOLEMNLY SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE EVIDENCE YOU SHALL GIVE IN THIS PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING SHALL BE THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
MADAM CLERK, PLEASE READ THE FIRST ITEM.
ITEM NUMBER ONE IS A RECOMMENDATION TO RECEIVE AND FILE DIRECTOR'S REPORT.
CAN I HAVE A MAKER IN A SECOND, PLEASE? SO MOVED.
IT'S BEEN MOVED BY COMMISSIONER TEMPLIN AND SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER LEMIS.
[REGULAR AGENDA]
I'LL TURN IT OVER TO, UH, STAFF FOR, UM, THEIR PRESENTATION.GOOD EVENING, CHAIR AND COMMISSIONERS.
A COUPLE UPDATES FROM THE STAFF TABLE.
UH, FIRST JUST WANNA UPDATE YOU ON A FEW THINGS, UM, RELATED TO OUR WORK THAT ARE GOING BEFORE THE CITY COUNCIL.
[1. 26-56599 Recommendation to receive and file Director’s Report. Suggested Action: Approve recommendation. ]
HEARING ON OUR PROPOSED UPDATES TO OUR DEVELOPMENT IMPACT FEES.THERE'S BEEN AN IMPORTANT NEXUS STUDY AND ANALYSIS TO, UM, RIGHT SIZE OUR DEVELOPMENT IMPACT FEES TO TODAY'S NEEDS AND MARKET, AND SO THAT WILL BE CONSIDERED BY THE COUNCIL ON TUESDAY.
AND THEN THE FOLLOWING WEEK, NOVEMBER 17TH, THE COUNCIL WILL BE HEARING ABOUT THE PRO-HOUSING DESIGNATION, WHICH YOU ALL HEARD ABOUT IN THE STUDY SESSION A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO, UH, WHICH IS THAT GRANT APPLICATION TO THE STATE, UH, TO EXTEND OUR, OUR DESIGNATION THAT ALLOWS US TO GET PRIORITY POINTS FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN THE CITY.
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UM, SO THAT WILL BE, UH, GOING TO COUNCIL ON NOVEMBER 17TH.LATER THAT WEEK, NOVEMBER 19TH, WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT WE WILL BE CANCELING THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING DUE TO LACK OF AGENDA ITEMS, BUT WE DO ANTICIPATE HOSTING BOTH DECEMBER MEETINGS DUE TO, UM, HEARING PROPOSALS IN THE WORKS.
UH, AND THAT CONCLUDES MY DIRECTOR'S REPORT.
ANY QUESTIONS OF THE DIRECTOR? THE NEXT ONE.
SEEING NONE, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
CAN I GO AHEAD AND, UM, UH, HAVE ANYONE IN THE PUBLIC WISHING TO MAKE COMMENTS ON THIS ITEM? SEEING NONE.
ANYONE VIRTUALLY? IF THERE ARE ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, PLEASE USE THE RAISE HAND FEATURE NOW.
IF DIALING IN TELEPHONICALLY, PRESS STAR NINE NOW.
THERE APPEARS TO BE ONE PERSON WISHING TO PROVIDE PUBLIC COMMENT.
ELENA, YOU HAVE BEEN GRANTED, UM, PERMISSION TO PROVIDE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM.
YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO PROVIDE PUBLIC COMMENT.
ELENA? ELENA, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO PROVIDE PUBLIC COMMENT.
PLEASE UNMUTE YOURSELF ON YOUR END.
ALL RIGHT, GOING ONCE, GOING TWICE.
I SEE HER HAND IS NO LONGER RAISED.
PERHAPS SHE'S NOT LOOKING TO PROVIDE FEEDBACK ON THE DIRECTOR'S REPORT AFTER ALL, BUT PERHAPS A DIFFERENT ITEM.
SO IF, IF YOU DO, PLEASE OBVIOUSLY RAISE YOUR HAND.
OTHERWISE, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND PROCEED.
THERE BEING NO COMMENTS ON THIS ITEM, UH, MADAM CLERK, PLEASE CALL FOR THE VOTE.
[2. 26-56601 Recommendation to approve the minutes for the Planning Commission meeting of Thursday, October 15, 2026. Suggested Action: Approve recommendation. ]
IS A RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING OF THURSDAY, OCTOBER 15TH, 2026.CAN I MAKE IT IN A SECOND? THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER LEMUS AND COMMISSIONER CHAMBERS.
ANY, ANY COMMENTS ON THE, ON THE MINUTES OR CORRECTIONS? SEEING NONE.
WE'LL NOW TAKE PUBLIC COMMENTS.
ANYONE IN THE PUBLIC WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? SEEING NONE, ANY VIRTUAL COMMENTS? IS THERE ANY...
IF THERE ARE ANY ME - IF THERE ARE ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, PLEASE USE THE RAISE HAND FEATURE NOW.
IF DIALING IN TELEPHONICALLY, PRESS STAR NINE NOW.
ELENA, YOU HAVE BEEN GRANTED PERMISSION.
UH, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO, UH, SPEAK ON THIS PUBLIC COMMENT.
YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO PROVIDE PUBLIC COMMENT.
MM, WE SEEM TO HAVE A PROBLEM.
ELENA, YOU WOULD NEED TO UNMUTE YOURSELF ON YOUR END.
YOU STILL APPEAR AS MUTED ON YOUR END.
ANY ACKNOWLEDGEMENT ONLINE AT ALL? ELENA, YOU HAVE BEEN UNMUTED.
THERE'S NO CONNECTION FOR ELENA.
THAT CONCLUDES PUBLIC COMMENT.
THERE BEING NO VIRTUAL, NO, NO VIRTUAL OR OTHER COMMENTS, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND PROCEED TO THE NEXT.
UH, MADAM CLERK, PLEASE CALL FOR THE VOTE.
PLEASE, UH, READ THE NEXT ITEM.
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ITEM NUMBER THREE[3. 26-56603 Recommendation to receive the Program Environmental Impact Report (PEIR) Compliance Checklist (PECC-26-002), determine that the project is within the scope of the project previously analyzed as part of the Globemaster Corridor Specific Plan (GCSP) PEIR (SCH No. 2018091021) and will not result in any new significant impacts, or impacts more severe than those studied in the PEIR, and warrants no further environmental review pursuant to the California Environmental Quality Act (CEQA) Guidelines Section 15162; and Approve Modification to Approved Permit [Site Plan Review (Planning Commission) (Case No. 2306-18 (SPR23-050)] approved on April 18, 2024, to modify the proposed Hangar 1 from a 31,500 sq. ft. aircraft storage hangar to a 61,695 sq. ft. aircraft storage hangar, and for an Office 1 modification from a 6,000-sq. ft., one-story office to an 18,265-sq. ft. two-story office with a 310 sq. ft. exterior terrace on the active airfield of the Long Beach Airport (Airport), located at 3605 East Spring Street in the SP-3-AP zoning district. Site improvements are also modified to accommodate modifications to Hangar 1 and Office 1, including reduction of parking stalls (117 to 84 stalls), increase in bicycle parking (10 to 18 bicycle parking stalls), reduction of landscaping (23,763 to 19,557 sq. ft.), reduction of total hardscape (226,298 to 159,819 sq. ft.), and increase in building area (74,000 to 116,771 sq. ft). No changes are proposed to the previously approved Hangar 2 (31,500 sq. ft.) and Office 2 (5,000 sq. ft.). (District 5) Suggested Action: Approve recommendation. ]
IS A RECOMMENDATION TO RECEIVE THE PROGRAM ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT REPORT COMPLIANCE CHECKLIST DETERMINED THAT THE PROJECT IS WITHIN THE SCOPE OF THE PROJECT PREVIOUSLY ANALYZED AS PART OF THE GLOBE MASTER CORRIDOR SPECIFIC PLAN, PEIR, AND WILL NOT RESULT IN ANY NEW SIGNIFICANT IMPACTS OR IMPACTS MORE SEVERE THAN THOSE STUDIED IN THE PEIR AND WARRANTS NO FURTHER ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW PURSUANT TO THE CALIFORNIA ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY ACT GUIDELINES SECTION 15162, AND APPROVE MODIFICATION TO APPROVE PERMIT APPROVED ON APRIL 18TH, 2024 TO MODIFY THE PROPOSED HANGAR ONE FROM A 31,500 SQUARE FOOT AIRCRAFT STORAGE HANGAR TO A 61,695 SQUARE FOOT AIRCRAFT STORAGE HANGAR, AND FOR AN OFFICE ONE MODIFICATION FROM A 6,000 SQUARE FOOT ONE-STORY OFFICE TO AN 18,265 SQUARE FOOT TWO-STORY OFFICE WITH A 310 SQUARE FEET EXTERIOR TERRACE ON THE ACTIVE AIRFIELD OF THE LONG BEACH AIRPORT LOCATED AT 3605 EAST SPRING STREET IN THE SP-3-AP ZONING DISTRICT.SITE IMPROVEMENTS ARE ALSO MODIFIED TO ACCOMMODATE MODIFICATIONS TO HANGAR ONE AND OFFICE ONE, INCLUDING, UH, REDUCTION OF PARKING STALLS, INCREASE IN BICYCLE PARKING, REDUCTION OF LANDSCAPING, REDUCTION OF TOTAL, UH, HANDSCAPE...
HARDSCAPE TO AN INCREASE IN BUILDING AREA.
NO CHANGES ARE PROPOSED TO THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED HANGAR IN OFFICE TWO, DISTRICT FIVE.
UH, CAN I GET A MAKER IN A SECOND, PLEASE? THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER TEMPLE AND COMMISSIONER LINUS.
I'LL GO AHEAD AND TURN IT OVER TO STAFF FOR PRESENTATION.
UM, AS YOU HEARD IN THE RECOMMENDATION, THIS IS NOT AN, A NEW PROJECT, BUT RATHER A PROPOSED MODIFICATION TO AN EXISTING PROJECT THAT WAS APPROVED BY THIS COMMISSION IN 2024.
I'M GONNA HAND IT OVER NOW TO PROJECT PLANNER LIANA ARECHIGA TO WALK US THROUGH THE PRESENTATION.
THANK YOU AND GOOD EVENING, CHAIR AND COMMISSIONERS.
THE ITEM BEFORE YOU IS A MODIFICATION TO APPROVE PERMIT FOR A PREVIOUSLY APPROVED AIRCRAFT HANGAR COMPLEX AT THE LONG BEACH AIRPORT.
HERE'S A RENDERING OF THE PROPOSED PROJECT AS SEATED FROM EAST SPRING STREET LOOKING NORTHEAST.
THE PROJECT MODIFICATION IS FOR THE HANGAR BUILDING ON THE RIGHT.
PARKING, LANDSCAPING, AND OFFICE SIZE ARE ALSO BEING MODIFIED, WHICH WILL BE DESCRIBED IN THE FOLLOWING SLIDES.
THE PROJECT SITE IS LOCATED ON THE NORTH SIDE OF EAST SPRING STREET, EAST OF REDONDO AVENUE, AND ON THE NORTH-SOUTH EDGE OF THE LONG BEACH AIRPORT.
THE SITE IS LOCATED IN THE GLOBE MASTER CORRIDOR SPECIFIC PLAN WITHIN THE SPECIFIC PLANS AIRPORT DISTRICT.
THE SITE IS IN THE REGIONAL SERVING FACILITIES PLACE TYPE OF THE GENERAL PLAN.
PREVIOUSLY, THERE WAS A 17,000 SQUARE FOOT AIRCRAFT HANGER ON SITE, WHICH HAS ALREADY BEEN DEMOLISHED AND A NEW 31,500 SQUARE FOOT HANGER THAT HAS BEEN COMPLETED UNDER THE PREVIOUS PROJECT APPROVAL.
THE AERIAL PHOTO SHOWS A PROJECT SITE OUTLINED IN RED, WHICH CONSISTS OF THE LEASEHOLD FROM THE LONG BEACH AIRPORT.
THE ORIGINAL APPROVAL WAS APPROVED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION IN 2024, WHICH INCLUDED DEMOLITION OF THE EXISTING 17,000 SQUARE FOOT AIRCRAFT HANGAR AND THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE NEW AIRCRAFT COMPLEX OF THREE NEW BUILDINGS WITH ACCESSORY OFFICE SPACE TOTALING 73,780 SQUARE FEET.
HANGAR ONE WAS A 31,500 SQUARE FEET.
BOX HANGAR ONE WAS A 12,960 SQUARE FOOT.
BOX HANGAR TWO WAS 19,360 SQUARE FEET, AND THE ACCESSORY OFFICE SPACE WAS 9,960 SQUARE FEET.
HANGAR ONE AND BOX HANGAR TWO WERE CONNECTED BY THE OFFICE SPACE.
THE APPROVAL ALSO INCLUDED ASSOCIATED SITE IMPROVEMENTS CONSISTING OF APPROXIMATELY 16,000, 60,131 SQUARE FEET OF NEW CONCRETE AND AIRCRAFT RAMP PAVING, 117 PARKING SPACES, NEW LANDSCAPING, ROOFTOP SOLAR PANELS, A NEW DRIVEWAY ENTRANCE ON SPRING STREET, AND A RECONFIGURATION OF EXISTING UTILITIES.
IN ADDITION, THE ORIGINAL APPROVAL SUBSEQUENT, SUBSEQUENTLY ALSO WENT THROUGH A DIRECTOR'S ADMINISTRATIVE MODIFICATION IN 2024.
THIS MODIFICATION WAS REVIEWED AND APPROVED ADMINISTRATIVELY DUE TO THE PROPOSED EXPANSION REMAINING BELOW 10% OF TOTAL BUILDING AREA AND NOT RESULTING IN AN EXPANSION OF USE.
THE MODIFICATION CONSISTED OF A REVISION OF THE PROPOSED PROJECT TO TWO 31,500 SQUARE FEET FULL SPAN HANGERS WITH INDIVIDUAL ACCESSORY OFFICE SPACE AND ELIMINATION OF THE BOX HANGERS AND CONNECTING OFFICE.
THE MODIFICATION RESULTED IN AN APPROXIMATELY 820 SQUARE FOOT REDUCTION IN OVERALL HANGAR SPACE AND AN ACCESSORY OFFICE SPACE THAT
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INCREASED BY APPROXIMATELY 1,040 SQUARE FEET.IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THE PROJECT AS A WHOLE IS BEING CONSTRUCTED IN TWO PHASES WITH CONSTRUCTION OF HANGAR TWO AND OFFICE TWO AS PHASE ONE, WHICH IS CURRENTLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION, AND THEN PHASE TWO BEING THE CONSTRUCTION OF HANGAR ONE AND OFFICE ONE.
THE CURRENTLY PROPOSED MODIFICATION TO THE PROJECT WILL MODIFY HANGAR ONE FROM A 31,500 SQUARE FOOT AIRCRAFT STORAGE HANGAR TO A 61,695 SQUARE FOOT HANGAR.
OFFICE ONE WILL BE RELOCATED FROM THE WEST ELEVATION LOCATION TO THE SOUTH ELEVATION AND BE MODIFIED FROM A SINGLE STORY, 6,000 SQUARE FOOT OFFICE TO AN 18,265 SQUARE FOOT TWO-STORY OFFICE WITH A 310 SQUARE FOOT EXTERIOR TERRACE.
THESE CHANGES PROPOSE 42,460 SQUARE FEET OF NEW INDUSTRIAL BUILDING AREA, WHICH IS TOO LARGE AND SIGNIFICANT TO BE APPROVED ADMINISTRATIVELY AND THEREFORE REQUIRES PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVAL.
NO CHANGES ARE PROPOSED TO THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED HANGAR TWO AND OFFICE TWO.
THE DEVELOPER SEEKS THE PROPOSED MODIFICATIONS DUE TO A CHANGING MARKET DEMAND IN THE CHARTER EXECUTIVE PASSENGER AIR SERVICE MARKET.
SITE IMPROVEMENTS ARE ALSO PROPOSED, WHICH INCLUDE REDUCTION OF PARKING STALLS, INCREASE IN BICYCLE PARKING, REDUCTION OF LANDSCAPING, AND REDUCTION OF TOTAL HARDSCAPE.
HERE'S A RENDERING COMPARISON OF THE ORIGINAL APPROVAL AND THE PROJECT MODIFICATION.
THE PROJECT MODIFICATION ALSO INCLUDES THE CHANGE IN BUILDING TYPE FROM HANGAR AND OFFICE ONE.
THE MOD INCLUDES AN OPTION TO CHANGE THE BUILDING SYSTEM FROM METAL TO MASS TIMBER, ALTHOUGH THE DEVELOPER COULD STILL SELECT A METAL BUILDING SYSTEM BASED ON THE NEEDS.
THIS CHANGE WILL LARGELY BE STRUCTURAL AND WILL NOT AFFECT THE EXTERIOR FINISHED MATERIALS.
HANGAR TWO AND OFFICE TWO WILL REMAIN TO BE CONSTRUCTED AS A METAL BUILDING SYSTEM.
IN TERMS OF DESIGN, THE BUILDING WILL MATCH IN ARCHITECTURAL STYLE AS IT PREVIOUSLY APPROVED AND OTHER AIRCRAFT HANGERS IN THE DISTRICT AS REQUIRED BY THE GLOBA - GLOBE MASTER CORRIDOR SPECIFIC PLAN.
THE COLOR PALETTE INCLUDES SHADES OF GRAY AND HIGH QUALITY ARCHITECTURAL ACCENTS.
HERE, RENDERING, PROJECT RENDERINGS, THIS ONE IS LOOKING NORTHWEST FROM ABOVE SPRING STREET.
THIS VIEW IS FROM ABOVE THE AIRFIELD LOOKING SOUTHWEST.
THIS PERSPECTIVE SHOWS THE HANGAR FROM THE PARKING LOT LOOKING AT THE REAR OF THE BUILDING.
THIS PERSPECTIVE SHOWS THE HANGAR IN THE ACCESSORY OFFICE BUILDING AS SEEN FROM THE PARKING LOT ENTRY.
THIS PERSPECTIVE SHOWS THE HANGAR IN THE ACCESSORY OFFICE BUILDING AS SEEN FROM THE EAST SPRING STREET.
UH, THIS PERSPECTIVE SHOWS THE HANGAR BUILDING FROM THE AIRCRAFT RAMP ON THE AIR SIDE.
THERE WILL BE A TOTAL OF 19,557 SQUARE FEET OF LANDSCAPING PROPOSED, WHICH IS A NET DECREASE OF 4,206 SQUARE FEET.
REGARDLESS, THE CURRENTLY PROPOSED LANDSCAPING PROVIDES A NET INCREASE OF 54 TREES ON SITE WITH 16 NEW TREES ALONG EAST SPRING STREET AND 48 NEW TREES THROUGHOUT THE SURFACE PARKING LOT.
OVERALL, THE PROPOSED LANDSCAPING IS ENHANCED FROM THE ORIGINAL APPROVAL AND PROVIDES MORE TREES AND AN INCREASE IN COMPLIMENTARY SHRUBS AND GROUND COVERING THROUGHOUT.
THE PROJECT HANGERS WILL CONTINUE BE, TO BE USED AS SUPPORT AIRCRAFT STORAGE AND OPERATIONS FROM BUSINESS AIRCRAFT CONSISTING ONLY OF PRIVATE-BASED AIRCRAFT BUSINESS FLIGHTS.
THERE WILL BE NO AIRLINE OPERATIONS AND NO NET INCREASE IN FLIGHT OPERATIONS.
THE PROJECT IS IN FULL COMPLIANCE WITH THE GLOBE MASTER CORRIDOR SPECIFIC PLAN, THE REGIONAL SERVING FACILITIES PLACE TYPE, AND CONSISTENT WITH THE ORIGINAL 2024 APPROVAL.
IT'S ALSO CONTINUES TO ACHIEVE THE POLICY OBJECTIVES OF THE GENERAL PLAN AS SET FORTH IN THE URBAN DESIGN ELEMENT AND THE MOBILITY ELEMENT.
LASTLY, AS A PART OF OUR COMPLETED, UH, PEER COMPLIANCE CHECKLIST, THE PROJECT ALSO COMPLIES WITH THE LONG BEACH CLIMATE ACTION PLAN.
THE PROJECT CONTINUES TO MEET ALL DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, IS PARKING EXEMPT, AND PROVIDES BICYCLE PARKING.
THE PROJECT ALSO HAS BEEN FULLY AUTHORIZED BY THE AIRPORT DEPARTMENT AND WILL COMPLY WITH ALL APPLICABLE AIRPORT LAND USE PLANNING REGULATIONS.
THE PROJECT CONSERVES THE GLOBE MASTER DISTRICT'S GOALS, POLICIES, AND UNIQUE IDENTITY THROUGH SIMILAR AIRCRAFT HANGAR ARCHITECTURAL STYLES, CREATING AN ENHANCED PEDESTRIAN ENVIRONMENT ALONG SPRING STREET AND PROVIDING LUSH LANDSCAPING.
NEXT, THE PROJECT COMPLIES WITH THREE POLICIES SET FORTH IN THE REGIONAL SERVING FACILITIES PLACE TYPE BY ACCOMMODATING RSF FACILITIES THROUGH INFRASTRUCTURE EXPANSION, ENCOURAGING NEW DEVELOPMENT, AND ENSURE INFIELD DEVELOPMENT IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING USES.
ADDITIONALLY, THE PROPOSED PROJECT IS CONSISTENT
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WITH THE 2024 APPROVAL BY MAINTAINING THE PROPOSED USE OF THE NEW AIRCRAFT HANGAR FOR THE PRIVATE AIRCRAFT BUSINESS, MAINTAINING THE SAME ARCHITECTURAL STYLE AND PROVIDING MATCHING SITE IMPROVEMENTS.LASTLY, THE PROJECT COMPLIES WITH THE REQUIRED FINDINGS FOR SITE PLAN REVIEW PROJECTS, WHICH INCLUDE HARMONIOUS DESIGNS COMPATIBLE TO THE AREA, COMPLIANCE WITH ALL APPLICABLE DESIGN GUIDELINES AND STANDARDS, AND WILL NOT REMOVE MATURE STREET TREES.
THE PROJECT PROVIDES HIGH QUALITY ARCHIT- ARCHITECTURAL AIRCRAFT HANGER DESIGN THAT IS HARMONIOUS TO THE SURROUNDING AREA, COMPLIES WITH MULTIPLE STANDARDS, POLICIES, OBJECTIVES, AND GOALS AS DESCRIBED IN THE PREVIOUS SLIDES, AND WILL NOT INVOLVE THE REMOVAL OF MATURE TREES, AND IN RETURN, WILL PROVIDE 64 NEW TREES.
NEXT, THE ESSENTIAL NEXUS BETWEEN DEVELOPMENT AND PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY IMPROVEMENTS WILL BE MET BY COMPLIANCE WITH THE PROCESSES AND CONDITIONS SET FORTH BY THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT.
TRANSPORTATION DEMAND, DEMAND MANAGEMENT WILL BE ADDRESSED THROUGH THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL.
GREEN BUILDING STANDARDS WILL BE MET BY THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL, WHICH WILL REQUIRE THE DEVELOPMENT TO ACHIEVE A PROJECT-WIDE ATTAINMENT OF LEED CERTIFIED RATING OR EQUIVALENT.
LASTLY, THE PROJECT DOES NOT INVOLVE, INVOLVE RESIDENTIAL DWELLING UNITS OR IS LOCATED IN THE COASTAL ZONE.
ALL APPLICABLE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL FROM THE PREVIOUS APPROVAL ARE CARRIED OVER TO THIS PROJECT MODIFICATION, INCLUDING INSTALLATION OF DESIGN ELEMENTS SUCH AS ART INSTALLATIONS, COMPLIANCE WITH BICYCLE PARKING STALLS AS REQUIRED BY THE GCSP, ALL REQUIRED AIRPORT AND FAA APPROVALS, COMPLIANCE WITH TDM STRATEGIES, AND TREE REMOVAL REPLACEMENT.
MOLO SUBMITTAL AND CRIME PREVENTION THROUGH ENVIRONMENTAL DESIGN COMPLIANCE ARE ALSO CONDITIONED ALONG WITH STANDARD CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL FOR APPROVAL OF PLANS, PERMITS, AND CONSTRUCTION.
FOR THIS PROJECT, A PROGRAM ERR COMPLIANCE CHECKLIST HAS BEEN COMPLETED TO ENSURE COMPLIANCE UNDER THE PROGRAM EIR THAT WAS PREPARED FOR THE GLOBE MASTER CORRIDOR SPECIFIC PLAN.
THIS CHECKLIST FOUND THAT THE PROJECT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE ANALYSIS OF THE CERTIFIED PROGRAM EIR AND WILL NOT RESULT IN ANY NEW OR MORE SEVERE IMPACTS THAN THOSE ANALYZE- ANALYZED IN THE PROGRAM EIR.
THE PROJECT IS SUBJECT TO PRO - TO THE PROGRAM EIR'S MITIGATION MONITORING AND REPORTING PROGRAM, OR MMRP, AND THE MMRP HAS BEEN INCLUDED IN THE PROJECT CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL.
THIS APPLICATION WAS DULY NOTED PURSUANT TO THE LONG BEACH MUNICIPAL CODE, AND AS OF TODAY, THREE COMMENTS, UM, HAVE BEEN RECEIVED.
BASED ON THE ANALYSIS OF THE PRO - ANALYSIS OF THE PROJECT, STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS TO ACCEPT THE PROGRAM EIR COMPLIANCE CHECKLIST PREPARED FOR THIS PROJECT AND TO CONDITIONALLY APPROVE THE PROJECT MODIFICATION.
THIS CONCLUDES STAFF'S PRESENTATION.
THE APPLICANT, JUSTIN CASTEGNA, SCOTT KINSEY, AND I ARE AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS.
ANY INITIAL QUESTIONS FROM STAFF AT THE...
I MEAN, EXCUSE ME, FROM THE COMMISSIONERS AT THE MOMENT? SEEING NONE, I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS IN TERM, AND MAYBE THE APPLICANT CAN ADDRESS THIS AS WELL.
UM, BEING THAT IT'S A LARGER FACILITY, UM, NO NEW AND MORE SEVERE IMPACTS OF HAVING A LITTLE BIT OF A STRUGGLE WITH THAT BEING BIGGER, WHAT OPERATIONAL IMPACTS WILL IT HAVE IN TERMS OF FLIGHT OPERATIONS AND THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC THAT, THAT IS GONNA BE EXPERIENCED AS A RESULT OF THE EXPANSION? I THINK THERE'S TWO PARTS TO THAT QUESTION.
SO IN TERMS OF THE FLIGHT OPERATIONS, THE AMOUNT OF FLIGHT OPERATIONS IS NOT CHANGING WHETHER THESE BUILDINGS ARE BUILT OR NOT.
UM, THE AIRCRAFT INVOLVED IN THE FLIGHT OPERATIONS CURRENTLY EXIST AT THE LONG BEACH AIRPORT AND THEY CURRENTLY CONDUCT THEIR FLIGHT OPERATIONS.
SO, UH, BASICALLY THESE BUILDINGS ARE JUST A PLACE FOR THOSE AIRCRAFT TO BE PARKED, BUT IT WILL NOT INCREASE, YOU KNOW, CAPACITY OR TEMPO OF, UH, FLIGHT OPERATIONS.
UM, THE OTHER PART OF YOUR QUESTION WAS...
I'M SORRY, COULD YOU, COULD YOU REPEAT THAT FIRST PART? YEAH.
I WANTED TO UNDERSTAND THE IMPACT BECAUSE OF THE SIZE AND SCOPE - OH.
SO THE PROJECT BUILDING IS LARGER, ALMOST TWICE THE SIZE AS THE BUILDING THAT WAS, UH, ANALYZED IN THE FIRST, UH, VERSION OF THE PROJECT.
UH, HOWEVER, IT'S STILL UNDER ALL OF THE THRESHOLDS OF SIGNIFICANCE FOR ANY ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS, AND THAT WAS STUDIED AND CONFIRMED WITH THE TECHNICAL STUDIES THAT WERE PREPARED FOR THE, UH, PROGRAM EIR COMPLIANCE CHECKLIST THAT WAS PREPARED FOR THE PREVIOUS VERSION AND THIS VERSION OF THE PROJECT.
AND, AND WITH THAT IN MIND, SINCE, UM, ONE OF THE RATIONALES FOR THE DESIGN CHANGE WAS THE CHANGE IN OFFICE DEMAND, WHICH IS A REDUCTION, DOES THIS INDICATE THEN THAT THERE'LL BE A, AN INCREASE IN DEMAND AND/OR USE FOR AVIATION PURPOSES? SO I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT, WHAT'S DRIVING THE NEED FOR A BIGGER BUILDING AND, AND, AND...
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WELL, THAT'S A GREAT APPLICANT QUESTION, BUT I ALSO WANNA JUST DELVE INTO THE WORDS A LITTLE BIT.WHEN WE SAY IT'S NOT A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT, THAT DOESN'T MEAN THERE'S NO IMPACT.
OBVIOUSLY, A BIGGER BUILDING IS A BIGGER BUILDING AND IT REQUIRES MORE CEMENT AND IT REQUIRES MORE HOURS OF THE PAINTER DOING THE PAINTING AND IT REQUIRES MORE CONSTRUCTION AND IT FACILITATES A LARGER AIRCRAFT, WHICH ACTUALLY MAY BE QUIETER THAN THE SMALLER AIRCRAFT.
BUT WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS UNDER THE STRICT CRITERIA SEQUA OF IS IT GONNA EXCEED A NOISE LEVEL? IS IT GONNA EXCEED A AIR QUALITY THRESHOLD? IS IT GONNA CREATE SO MUCH TRAFFIC THAT IT'S NOTICEABLE ON THE STREET? IT'S NOT CROSSING ANY OF THOSE THRESHOLDS.
NO ONE HERE IS SAYING A BIGGER BUILDING ISN'T BIGGER THAN A SMALLER BUILDING.
WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS THAT THERE'S SPECIFIC CRITERIA AND IT DOESN'T EXCEED ANY OF THOSE CRITERIA.
AND THEN MAYBE, WELL, I'LL, I'LL POSE THAT QUESTION TO THE APPLICANT AS WELL BECAUSE, AND, BUT HELP ME REFRESH MY MEMORY.
AND I INTENDED TO DO THIS BEFOREHAND, BUT I, I JUST DIDN'T GET AROUND TO IT.
UM, BECAUSE I WAS HERE FOR TWO YEARS AGO WHEN WE APPROVED IT.
I, I RECALL THAT THE FOOTPRINT WASN'T SIGNIFICANTLY BIGGER THAN THE PREVIOUS USE OF THE, OF, OF THE EXISTING, UH, STRUCTURE BEFORE IT WAS TORN DOWN.
I KNOW THERE WAS SOME EXPANSION, BUT IT, IN MY MIND'S EYE, I DON'T RECALL IT BEING SIGNIFICANT.
SO I JUST WANNA UNDERSTAND THE, THE STEPPING STONE BETWEEN THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL, WHICH WAS APPROVED AND NOW THIS, WHICH IS A EVEN BIGGER PROPOSAL.
ARE YOU ABLE TO COMMENT ON THAT? SURE.
SO THE, THE PRIOR HANGAR THAT WAS LOCATED ON THIS SITE WAS BUILT IN THE EARLY 1970S.
IT WAS APPROXIMATELY 17,000 SQUARE FEET.
UM, THE FIRST APPROVAL, LEANNA READ OFF ALL THE SQUARE FOOTAGE NUMBERS, UH, BUT SORT OF BOTTOM LINE IS THAT WAS TWO 31,500 SQUARE FOOT HANGERS IS WHAT THE ORIGINAL APPROVAL ULTIMATELY APPROVED AFTER THAT ADMINISTRATIVE MODIFICATION THAT TOOK PLACE.
SO THAT'S SIGNIFICANTLY LARGER THAN THE 17,000 SQUARE FOOT HANGER.
AND THEN SO WHAT IS IN FRONT OF THE COMMISSION TODAY IS A PROPOSAL TO CHANGE ONE OF THOSE 31,500 SQUARE FOOT HANGERS INTO APPROXIMATELY, UM, 70,000 SQUARE FEET.
UH, SO THAT WILL ALSO GET LARGER.
SO IT'S GONE FROM 17,000 TO 31,500 TIMES TWO WAS THE APPROVED PROJECT.
AND NOW IT'S GOING TO 31,500 PLUS APPROXIMATELY 70,000 SQUARE FEET.
UH, I'LL LEAVE MY, THE REST OF MY QUESTIONS TO, TO...
YEAH, IF YOU'RE WELCOME TO COME UP.
UNLESS THERE'S ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM STAFF.
ACTUALLY, UM, WHEN YOU USE THE TERM FLIGHT OPERATIONS, UM, AM I TO UNDERSTAND THAT, UH, THAT MEANS THE NUMBER OF PLANES THAT TAKE OFF AND, AND LAND? GENERALLY CORRECT, YES.
SO THAT, UM, SO THE, THE, THE FINDING, UM, FROM STAFF WAS THE NUMBER OF TAKEOFFS AND LANDINGS WILL NOT BE INCREASED BY THE LARGER BUILDING, CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.
UM, I, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I DO UNDERSTAND ARE, IS A CONCERN IS AROUND THE NOISE.
UM, WHAT KIND OF, UM, I GUESS, ENFORCEMENT EXISTS THAT...
I'M HAVING A LITTLE BIT OF A HARD TIME.
UH, DIRECTOR KUNZ, YOU SAID THAT THE, UH, LARGER AIRCRAFT MAY BE QUIETER.
UM, I KINDA WANNA DRILL DOWN INTO THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE.
SO THERE'S ALL KINDS OF AIRCRAFT AND THEY HAVE ALL KINDS OF DIFFERENT, UH, NOISE PROFILES.
SO AT LONG BEACH AIRPORT, WE HAVE COMMERCIAL AIRCRAFT THAT WE'RE VERY FAMILIAR WITH.
SO IF YOU GO AND YOU GET ON A SOUTHWEST FLIGHT TO SACRAMENTO, THAT'S ON A 737 AIRCRAFT.
IT'S SUBJECT TO THE AIRPORT'S NOISE ORDINANCE, WHICH LIMITS THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF NOISE THAT EMITS, UM, FROM THE AIRPORT ON A DAILY BASIS.
AND THEN IT'S ALSO SUBJECT TO VARIOUS FAA RULES AND NEWER AIRCRAFT TEND TO BE QUIETER THAN OLDER AIRCRAFT.
SO AT THE LONG BEACH AIRPORT, WE ALSO HAVE, UH, AIRCRAFT ON THE OTHER END OF THE EXTREME.
THIS COULD BE FOLKS' HOBBY AIRCRAFT AS PART OF THE GENERAL AVIATION FLEET.
WE HAVE SOME AIRCRAFT THERE THAT DATE TO WORLD WAR II AND HAVE BEEN RESTORED AND MAINTAINED.
AND IT'S A WONDERFUL THING THAT PEOPLE HAVE THAT HOBBY, BUT THEY ARE ALSO INCREDIBLY LOUD.
UM, SO THE SIZE OF THE AIRCRAFT IS NOT THE SAME AS THE NOISE EMANATING FROM THE AIRCRAFT.
SO IF YOU HAVE TWO AIRCRAFT THAT ARE THE EXACT SAME SIZE, BUT ONE IS BRAND
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NEW AND ONE IS 40 YEARS OLD, THE BRAND NEW ONE BECAUSE OF CHANGES IN AVIONICS IS GONNA BE QUIETER, UH, THAN THE OLDER AIRCRAFT.SO MY UNDERSTANDING OF THIS PROJECT IS TO SERVE, UM, CHARTER AIRCRAFT AND FOLKS THAT MAY BE SPENDING VERY LARGE SUMS OF MONEY, UH, TO TAKE, UH, A PRIVATE, UM, JET OR AIRPLANE, UM, TO THEIR DESTINATION.
SO I THINK THE APPLICANT CAN KIND OF TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THEIR CLIENTELE.
UM, BUT THIS IS NOT INTENDED TO SERVE THIS SORT OF OLDER HOBBY AIRCRAFT THAT TEND TO HAVE A VERY LOUD NOISE PROFILE, NOR WOULD IT ALLOW FOR ANY INCREASE IN COMMERCIAL OPERATIONS.
SO THOSE ARE YOUR LARGE 737S BECAUSE THOSE ARE CAPPED UNDER A DIFFERENT, UM, REGIME, A, A SPECIFIC STRICT CAP BASED ON THE AMOUNT OF NOISE COMING OUT OF THE AIRPORT.
DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? THANK YOU.
WE'LL HAVE THE APPLICANT COMING FORWARD IF, UNLESS THERE'S ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.
THANK YOU FOR THE TIME TODAY AND, UH, THANK YOU FOR YOUR DEDICATION TO REVIEW THIS PROJECT.
I DO WANNA CLARIFY ONE POINT IN WHICH HE JUST SAID THAT THIS PROJECT IS NOT SERVING CHARTER AIRCRAFT FOR, LIKE, UH, JOHN SMITH FROM THE PUBLIC COULDN'T CALL UP AND SAY, "I'D LIKE TO CHARTER A FLIGHT AND I'M GONNA GO OUT OF THAT FACILITY." THIS IS FOR A, A PRIVATELY BASED BUSINESS OPERATION, CORPORATE BUSINESS THAT HAS THEIR OWN AIRCRAFT.
UH, SO IT'S NOT LIKE THE PUBLIC CAN'T CALL UP AND GO DO THAT.
BUT I DO HAVE SOME COMMENTS PREPARED THAT I THINK MIGHT CLARIFY ALL THE QUESTIONS THAT YOU ASKED TODAY.
IF YOU DON'T MIND, I'LL JUST READ SOME OF THOSE.
SO TO INTRODUCE MYSELF, MY NAME'S JUSTIN CASTANA.
I'M THE CHIEF OPERATING OFFICER AT ASCENSION GROUP PARTNERS, AND I'M THE OWNER'S REPRESENTATIVE, UH, FOR THIS PROJECT.
YOU, SOME OF YOU THAT WERE HERE MAY RECALL AT THE INITIAL PLANNING HEARING IN 2024 FOR THIS PROJECT WHEN IT WAS FIRST APPROVED BY THIS COMMISSION.
WE HAVE NOW COMPLETED, I KNOW, UH, LIANA, YOU MENTIONED THAT IT WAS IN CONSTRUCTION.
IT IS NOW COMPLETED AS OF APRIL OF THIS YEAR.
UM, AND THE, THE, THE BASE BUSINESS IS ACTUALLY OPERATING SOME OF THEIR AIRCRAFT THERE TODAY.
UM, I DO WANNA MAKE SURE THAT I THANK THE PLANNING STAFF FOR THEIR REVIEW OVER THE LAST SEVERAL MONTHS TO GET TO THIS POINT AND THE ENVIRONMENTAL CONSULTANTS THAT EVALUATED THE SUBJECT OF THIS HEARING, UH, THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE GLOBE MASTER CORRIDOR SPECIFIC PLAN AND EIR AND THE ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW AND REQUIREMENT PROCESS ESTABLISHED BY THE CITY.
BONSEF LONG BEACH IS THE MASTER LEASE HOLDER AT THE AIRPORT AND INITIALLY SECURED THIS LEASEHOLD ON A 40-YEAR TERM THAT WAS APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL.
THERE IS A SINGLE TENANT FOR THE SITE WITH AN APPROVED SUBLEASE THAT RUNS THROUGH THE TERM OF THE MASTER LEASE, WHICH HAD, WHICH HAS RECEIVED THE CONSENT BY BOTH THE AIRPORT AND THE CITY.
THE OPERATIONS ON THIS SITE ARE CONSISTENT WITH LONG BEACH AIRPORT RULES AND REGULATIONS AT THE LONG BEACH AIRPORT.
THE SINGLE TENANT IS A PRIVATE BUSINESS WHICH HAS BUSINESS OPERATIONS IN LONG BEACH, AND THEY ARE ALREADY TODAY AND HAVE BEEN FLYING AND OPERATING OUT OF LONG BEACH FOR SOME TIME.
THEY HAVE AN EXISTING SHARED SPACE AT THE AIRPORT TODAY AND THEY DESIRE TO SECURE THEIR OWN FACILITIES, WHICH HAS RESULTED IN BOTH OF THESE HANGARS.
THEY DO NOW OPERATE THEIR OWN PRIVATE FLEET FROM THE BONSEF SITE, AS I SAID, AND THEY HAVE BEEN DOING SO SINCE APRIL OF THIS YEAR AND BEFORE FROM OTHER FACILITIES AT THE AIRPORT.
THE SECOND HANGAR MODIFICATION WAS REQUESTED TO ACCOMMODATE FLEXIBILITY FOR THE FIVE, THE PRIVATE FLIGHT DEPARTMENT AND PERSONNEL SUPPORTING THE OFFICE, OFFICE AND SHOP STAFF AREAS.
SO I, I ALSO WANNA TAKE THE TIME TO CLARIFY WHAT THIS PROJECT IS NOT, BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT FOR THIS GROUP TO HEAR.
THIS OPERATION IS NOT A F - AN FBO OR FIXED BASE OPERATOR LIKE AT LONG BEACH, WE HAVE SIGNATURE AVIATION OR ATLANTIC AVIATION, UM, SO THEY'RE NOT CATERING TO ITINERANT OR VISITING TRAFFIC.
THESE AIRCRAFT ARE BASED AT LONG BEACH.
AS A BASE TENANT AT THE AIRPORT, THIS PRIVATE OPERATION AND THE SUBLEASE TERMS ARE SUBJECT TO ADHERING TO THE ESTABLISHED REQUIREMENTS OUTLINED IN THE LONG BEACH NOISE ORDINANCE.
SO TO SPEAK TO YOUR QUESTION, WE ARE SUBJECT TO, TO COMPLY WITH THAT PER OUR LEASE AND THE AIRPORT RULES AND REGULATIONS FOR THESE AIRCRAFT, WHICH IS A REQUIREMENT OF THE LEASE WITH THE CITY.
THERE IS NO JET, THERE'S NO FUEL TO...
SORRY, THERE'S NO FUEL TANKS FOR EITHER JET A OR AV- AVIATION GASOLINE.
THIS IS NOT A FLIGHT SCHOOL, UM, AND ANY FUEL THAT IS SOLD ON THIS SITE WILL BE DONE SO BY, UH, THE FBO OPERATIONS ALREADY THERE.
UM, THIS SITE HAS THE ABILITY TO HAVE THE AIRCRAFT FUELED ON IT, BUT WE ARE NOT DOING THAT FUELING THEMSELVES.
WE'RE NOT PUTTING IN NEW TANKS.
IT'S COMING FROM TANKS THAT ALREADY EXIST THERE TODAY ON OTHER SITES.
THERE'S NO FLIGHT TRAINING, NO COMMERCIAL SERVICE, ON DEMAND
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OR OTHER AIR CHARTER OR ANY AFFILIATION TO AIR OPERATIONS RELATED TO PASSENGER OR CARGO CARRIER AIRLINE ACTIVITY AT LONG BEACH AIRPORT.THESE FACILITIES ARE INTENDED FOR THE SINGLE TENANT'S PRIVATE BUSINESS OPERATION.
THE TOTAL INVESTMENT IN THIS LEASEHOLD WILL PROVIDE EXTENSIVE CONSTRUCTION RELATED AND OTHER JOB CREATION OPPORTUNITIES.
WE APPRECIATE THE COMPLETE REVIEW OF THESE FACTS BY THE CITY PLANNING STAFF AND PRE- PREPARATIONS FOR TODAY'S HEARING.
WE ARE EXCITED ABOUT THE COMMITMENT BEING MADE TO FURTHER ENHANCE FACILITIES IN THE CITY AND AROUND LONG BEACH AIRPORT AND APPRECIATE YOUR SUPPORT TODAY TO APPROVE THIS ITEM.
MYSELF AND OUR, OUR TEAM HERE ARE AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE.
SO IN REGARDS TO, INTO REGARDS TO THE QUESTIONS I HAD, UH, CAN YOU RATIONALIZE FOR ME IN TERMS OF THE BIGGER SIZE, WHAT'S DRIVING, UH, THE BIGGER BUILDING, UM - SURE.
FROM THE ORIGINAL PLAN? YEAH, FLEXIBILITY FOR - AND, AND THE IMPACT THAT THAT WOULD HAVE BOTH TO THE, YOUR NEIGHBORS, THE COMMUNITY, AND TO THE RESIDENTS.
SO, UH, AND I, I THINK STAFF SAID IT, AND I'LL REITERATE IT AGAIN, THE AIRCRAFT THAT ARE, THAT ARE GONNA BE BASED HERE, THEY'RE ALREADY FLYING HERE TODAY.
UM, SO THEY'RE ALREADY COMING HERE.
THEY WERE JUST LOOKING TO GET A NEW HOME.
THEY WILL PUT, LIKE, THE FLIGHT DEPARTMENT STAFF, SO THE, FOR THE OFFICE SPECIFICALLY, THEY'LL PUT THE FLIGHT DEPARTMENT STAFF THERE, BUT THIS PROVIDES A HOME FOR THOSE AIRCRAFT TO ALL BE IN ONE PLACE INSTEAD OF GOING TO MULTIPLE FACILITIES ON THE AIRPORT.
SO THE REASON FOR THE INCREASE IN THE SIZE WAS TO BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE ALL OF THEM.
T - SO, BUT IT'S NOT TO ACCOMMODATE MORE? NO.
YEAH, LIKE I SAID, THEY'RE, THEY'RE OPERATING THERE TODAY.
WHICH IS WHY YOU SAW, LIKE, THE, YOU KNOW, AND I KNOW...
I RECOGNIZE THAT MAY BE CONFUSING, BUT THAT'S WHY THERE'S NO, NO INCREASE IN NOISE, IS BECAUSE THE AIRCRAFT THAT ARE OPERATING THERE ARE ALREADY THERE.
THEY'RE ALREADY OPERATING THERE IN SOME CAPACITY.
AND THEN WHILE YOU'RE HERE, IN TERMS OF THE PARKING, UM, WHAT'S THE RATIONALE FOR THE LOWER, UH, RATIO OF PARKING TO, BASED ON THE OFFICE SPACE? THE VEHICLE PARKING? MM-HMM.
WELL, UH, NUMBER ONE, I, AND I THINK PLANNING STAFF COULD PROBABLY BETTER SPEAK TO THIS THAN ME, BUT I BELIEVE UNDER THIS, UH, EXEMPTION, OR THERE'S AN EXEMPTION FOR VEHICLE PARKING THAT'S PROBABLY IN, WITHIN THE GLOBE MASTER CORRIDOR, UH, EIR THAT'S PROBABLY DIFFERENT FROM, LIKE, THE STANDARD SQUARE FOOTAGE-BASED RATIO THAT YOU HAVE ELSEWHERE IN THE CITY.
UM, BUT SPECIFICALLY FOR THIS PROJECT, THE...
IT'S FOR ONE FLIGHT DEPARTMENT, SO WE'RE NOT...
JUST BECAUSE THE BUILDING GOT BIGGER, THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, 25 PEOPLE COMING TO PARK ALL THEIR CARS THAT ARE VISITORS FLYING OUT ON SOME CHARTERED AIRCRAFT.
THIS IS FOR THE BASED BUSINESS AIRCRAFT FOR THIS SPECIFIC BUSINESS, SO THERE'S NO NEED FOR US TO INCREASE PARKING TO ACCOMMODATE MORE PASSENGERS.
ESSENTIALLY, YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE THAT MUCH VEHICULAR TRAFFIC INTO THE, INTO THE BUILDING - BE- BECAUSE IT'S A PRIVATELY BASED BUSINESS OPERATION, NOT A, NOT A CHARTER OPERATION.
UH, I GUESS IT'S NOT CLEAR TO ME WHAT IS THE BUSINESSES MOVING IN HERE? IT, IT'S NOT COMMERCIAL, IT'S NOT, UH, FLIGHT TRAINING.
CAN YOU EXPLAIN TO ME WHAT, WHAT THIS, WHAT THE, WHAT THE AIRCRAFT WILL BE USED FOR? TO FLY...
I MEAN, SO I THINK THE, THE OPERATOR OF THIS SITE HAS, HAS MULTIPLE BUSINESS INTERESTS, BUT I, UH, I, I DON'T, I CAN'T SPEAK TO ALL OF THOSE.
I KNOW THAT THEY HAVE A, A LARGE BUSINESS PRESENCE IN THE CITY OF LONG BEACH AND ELSEWHERE.
I, I DON'T KNOW ALL OF THE ELSEWHERE, BUT I KNOW THAT LONG BEACH IS, LIKE, THE, THE BASE OF THEIR BUSINESS OPERATIONS.
SO BEYOND THAT, I CAN'T REALLY SPEAK TO IT, BUT I KNOW THAT THEIR AIRCRAFT ARE HERE ALREADY.
IS IT INAPPROPRIATE TO ASK, LIKE, WHAT THIS TENANT IS? YEAH, I DON'T KNOW THAT I'M AT LIBERTY TO SAY THE INDIVIDUAL - SO, UH, I'M TRYING TO INTERPRET WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
UM, IS THIS FOR THEM TO BE FLYING THEIR OWN EMPLOYEES - YES.
UM, AND - THAT ARE, THAT, TO, JUST TO CLARIFY, THAT ARE ALREADY FLYING HERE NOW.
NO, I, AND I, I GET THAT PART.
AND THIS IS GONNA BE TO STAFF, BUT I, I WANNA JUST SAY IT - SURE.
AND IT CAN GET ADDRESSED, UH, WHEN IS APPROPRIATE.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CONSOLIDATING EXISTING OPERATIONS.
UM, THAT WOULD IMPLY THAT THIS WILL FREE UP ADDITIONAL SPACE ELSEWHERE.
UH, I GUESS, DOES THIS REPRESENT A OPPORT - OR RISK OR OPPORTUNITY FOR INCREASING AIRCRAFT OPERATIONS? SO I WOULD SAY EVEN IF THEORETICALLY, IT'S SORT OF BEYOND THE SCOPE OF THIS PROJECT AND THIS COMMISSION.
SO THE AIRPORT'S A FEDERAL FACILITY.
THERE'S CERTAIN OPERATIONS THAT WE'RE ALLOWED TO CAP AND OTHER OPERATIONS THAT WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO CAP.
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THE NOISE ORDINANCE, WE ARE ABLE TO CAP WHAT ARE CALLED SCHEDULED COMMERCIAL AIRCRAFT.SO THOSE ARE AIRCRAFT THAT WEIGH MORE THAN 75,000 POUNDS AND ARE SCHEDULED AND SELL TICKETS.
SO THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT.
UM, SO PRIVATE BUSINESS JETS, WHICH WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT, ARE SUBJECT TO OTHER CONTROLS, BUT THAT'S NOT JUST UP TO THE CITY, THAT'S ALSO UP TO FAA.
SO, I MEAN, IF YOU GO DOWN THE RABBIT HOLE FAR ENOUGH BY MAKING THE FACILITY NICER THAN THE OLD FACILITY, DOES THAT MAKE THE AIRPORT MORE ATTRACTIVE, AND DOES THAT MEAN WE HAVE MORE JETS? MAYBE, BUT THAT'S A PRETTY SPECULATIVE CHAIN OF EVENTS.
ONCE WE MOVE THESE EXISTING PLANES INSIDE, CAN SOME LESS NICE PLANE BE OUTSIDE? MAYBE, BUT THERE'S NO...
THERE'S NOTHING IN FRONT OF US TO S- SAY THAT THAT'S THE OUTCOME.
UM, AND THEN IT'S BEYOND OUR SORT OF REGULATORY CONTROL HERE ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, TO HOLD UP THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT BASED ON THOSE, UM, CONCERNS, BECAUSE THAT'S ALL, IS SOMETHING WE'D HAVE TO WORK OUT WITH OUR FEDERAL REGULATOR.
I WOULD, I WOULD ALSO JUST ADD ONE POINT TO THAT, THAT JUST BECAUSE THERE'S A HANGAR, THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THE AIRCRAFT CAN'T ALSO PARK OUTSIDE.
SO JUST BECAUSE THEY'RE GONNA BE PARKED INSIDE, YOU COULD, THEY COULD...
THOSE AIRCRAFT, LIKE, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, THERE COULD BE, AND I DON'T KNOW THIS, BUT THERE COULD BE AIRCRAFT ELSEWHERE THAT ARE PARKING OUTSIDE, JUST NOT IN A HANGAR.
SO IT'S REALLY HARD FOR HIM...
I MEAN, HE HAS, IT WAS A GREAT ANSWER, BUT IT'S REALLY HARD FOR HIM TO, TO QUANTIFY THAT BECAUSE THEY COULD BE PARKING INSIDE OR OUTSIDE.
SO, UM, THANK YOU FOR YOUR EXPLANATION.
SO WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING, YOU'RE NOT ASKING THE, THE CITY OR ANYONE TO HELP YOU FINANCIALLY.
WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR IS APPROVAL TO, BECAUSE YOUR DESIGN HAS CHANGED, YOUR BUILDING FOOTPRINT HAS GOTTEN WIDER, BECAUSE I WOULD IMAGINE YOU WANNA BRING A VARIETY OF PLANES IN AND OUT, AND YOU'RE ASKING FOR PERMISSION TO DO THAT.
AND SOME OF YOUR RENDERINGS PREVIOUSLY SHOWED PVS ON TOP OF THE BUILDING.
IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE YOU'RE DOING THAT AT THIS TIME.
THERE IS PV, SO, UH, I MEAN, I THINK STEPH, YOU CAN MAYBE SPEAK BETTER TO THE REQUIREMENTS, BUT THERE'S ACTUALLY, TODAY, A SYSTEM BEING INSTALLED ON THE ROOF OF THE EXISTING HANGAR THAT'S BUILT TODAY THAT I BELIEVE SATISFIES THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE, OF THE PROJECT AND THE, THE MODIFICATION OR THE APPROVAL - YEAH.
AND THE NOTICE OF FINAL CONDITIONS.
UM, I DID, I DO, I DO KNOW THAT WE RETAINED THE OPTION TO PUT MORE, UH, BUT THAT'S NOT YET CONFIRMED.
SO I WOULD, I WOULD IMAGINE THE SIZE OF THE BUILDING WOULD PROBABLY CHEW INTO THE EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE AND POWER DEMANDS, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE YOU GUYS HAVE MET THAT AS PART OF THE, THE, UH, ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT REPORT.
YEAH, THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING, AND WE ARE INSTI - IN- INSTALLING THE REQUIRED SOLAR ON THE FIRST BUILDING TODAY.
AT THIS POINT, UH, ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WISHING TO, UH, OR THE AUDIENCE HERE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, PLEASE COME FORWARD.
CHAIR, WE HAVE FOUR THAT HAVE SIGNED UP.
UH, TARA COOMANS, CORA LEE LEE, CORLESS LEE, STUART GALLOWAY, AND TARA RICKEY.
ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO PROVIDE PUBLIC COMMENT AS WELL, YOU CAN LINE UP AT THE PODIUM AFTER THE FOUR SPEAKERS THAT HAVE SIGNED UP.
YEAH, AND YOU'RE WELCOME TO SIT DOWN.
I MEAN, YOU DON'T HAVE TO STAND NECESSARILY.
GREETINGS COMMISSIONERS, MY NAME IS TARA COOMANS.
I LIVE IN 908, UH, 07, ALSO KNOWN AS BIXBY KNOLLS.
I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT, UH, AGENDA ITEM THREE IN THE SPRING STREET HANGAR.
TO BE CLEAR, I'M NOT HERE TO OPPOSE THE INVESTMENT AT LONG BEACH AIRPORT.
I'M HERE BECAUSE NEITHER THE COMMUNITY NOR THIS COMMISSION HAS HAD THE FULL COM - INCOMPLETE IMPA - INFORMATION ON THE IMPACTS OF THIS PROJECT, AND I BELIEVE WE ALL DESERVE TO UNDERSTAND THE IMPACT BEFORE A 58% EXPANSION IS APPROVED.
FOR CONTEXT, SINCE THIS PROJECT WAS ORIGINALLY APPROVED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION IN 2024, THE SKY HARBOR JET HANGAR PROJECT WITH FIVE HANGERS, 215,000 SQUARE FEET, AND AN EXPECTED 25 JETS HAS ALSO BEEN ANNOUNCED.
PRIVATE JET EXPANSION DESERVES A SECOND LOOK BECAUSE NO NEW JETS, NEW NEW NOISE IS AN UNSUPPORTED CLAIM.
TRUST US ISN'T EVIDENCE DESPITE THE CLAIM TO THE CONTRARY.
PRIVATE JETS ARE ALLOWED AND THE LOUDEST JETS ARE THE LARGEST JETS.
ACCORDING TO THE LONG BEACH NOISE REPORTS FROM JULY 2025 TO AUGUST 2026, 59% OF NOISE VIOLATIONS AT THE AIRPORT ARE FROM PRIVATE JETS, AND 93% OF THOSE ARE AFTER 10:00 PM.
INDEED, WE HAVE A REPEAT OFFENDER BASED HERE IN LONG BEACH THAT HAS RECEIVED 13 NOISE VIOLATIONS AFTER 10:00 PM.
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THE GLOBE MASTER EIR NOISE A- A**L- ANALYSIS MODELED CAR TRAFFIC AND HVAC EQUIPMENT.IT MODELED, UH, CARS, TRUCKS, AND BUILDINGS.
IT NEVER MODELED PRIVATE JETS WHEN IT CONSIDERED GREENHOUSE EMISSIONS OR NOISE.
EVEN SO, IT DID FIND THAT THE EMISSIONS WOULD BE AT 21 TIMES THE ANNUAL THRESHOLD.
BECAUSE THE EXPANSION OF THIS PROJECT IMPACTS REGI - REACHES BEYOND THE PROPERTY LINE INTO THE NEIGHBORHOODS, THIS PROJECT'S EXPANSION DESERVES MORE THAN A CURSORY CEQA CHECKLIST, AND IT WAS BECAUSE THESE ITEMS WERE IGNORED IN THE I - EIR DOESN'T MEAN THERE ISN'T AN IMPACT.
BEFORE YOU APPROVE THIS PROJECT, I BELIEVE THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE COMMUNITY DESERVE TO KNOW WHAT EVIDENCE DOES THE CITY HAVE THAT THE, THAT, UH, THESE JETS WILL NOT CONTRIBUTE ADDITIONAL NOISE? ARE WE AWARE THAT A CHARTER, A PRIVATE CHARTER CAN BE A 737, WHICH IS CONSIDERABLY LOUDER THAN MANY PLANES? WHAT AIRCRAFT IS THIS HANGAR DESIGNED TO ACCOMMODATE, AND HOW MANY WILL IT HOLD? DO THE LEASE PERMIT, PERMIT ACTIVITY AT THE FACILITY, ARE THEY ALLOWED AFTER 10:00 PM AND BEFORE 7:00 AM? WHAT ARE THE IMPACTS TO POLLUTION AND GREENHOUSE EMISSIONS WITH THESE JETS AND THE REDUCED GREEN SPACE? AND HOW MANY BUSINESSES AND HOW MANY JOBS ARE EXPECTED ON SITE SINCE JOB CREATION WAS ONE OF THE PRIMARY GOALS OF THE GLOBE MASTER PROGRAM? I'M ASKING YOU TO REQUIRE A SUPPLEMENTAL EIR ON THIS PROJECT, OR AT THE VERY LEAST, POSTPONE THIS ITEM UNTIL YOU'RE ABLE TO INFORM THE PUBLIC ON THE QUESTIONS ABOVE.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION.
UM, I, I WAS GETTING PHONE CALLS FROM PEOPLE ASKING ME TO LOOK AT THIS AGENDA ITEM, AND I HAVE TO TELL YOU, IT WAS VERY CONFUSING, UM, TO READ THAT STAFF REPORT BECAUSE IT WASN'T CLEAR WHAT IS THE BUSINESS THAT'S COMING IN HERE, HOW MANY AIRCRAFT? THERE'S A LOT OF BLAND STATEMENTS LIKE THIS WILL NOT IMPACT THE NOISE ORDINANCE, BUT THERE'S NO, UM, DATA TO BACK THAT UP.
SO I WOULD EXPECT THERE TO BE A BUSINESS PLAN THAT GOES WITH THIS.
AND I WAS ENLIGHTENED BY THE PERSON THAT SPOKE EARLIER OVER HERE.
I MEAN, A LOT OF WHAT I WAS ASKING ABOUT, HE SORT OF CLEARED UP, BUT IT DOESN'T JIVE WITH THE WEBSITE.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS COMPANY'S WEBSITE, IT SAYS, IT, IT'S A, THAT THIS IS A SPECULATIVE, UM, PROJECT, THAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT PUTTING THINGS TOGETHER SO THAT A VARIETY OF, UM, YOU KNOW, OTHER AIRCRAFT INTERESTS COULD PERHAPS SUBLET HERE.
I THINK YOU'RE, YOU'RE MISSING A BUSINESS PLAN.
I THINK WITH A BUSINESS PLAN, THIS COULD ALL BE CLEARED UP.
UH, MY NAME IS STUART GALLOWAY, AND I LIVE IN BIXBY KNOLLS, IMMEDIATELY BELOW THE POINT WHERE HUNDREDS OF FLIGHT SCHOOL AIRCRAFT TURN EAST TO FOLLOW CARSON STREET EVERY MONTH.
I'M DIRECTLY AND NEGATIVELY AFFECTED BY GENERAL AVIATION, AND THIS DEVELOPMENT WILL IMPACT ME AND MY NEIGHBORHOOD BY INCREASING THE NUMBER OF NON-COMMERCIAL GENERAL AVIATION FLIGHTS OVER MY HOME.
I STRENUOUSLY OBJECT TO THIS PROJECT, AND QUITE FRANKLY, GIVEN PAST PERFORMANCE, I DON'T BELIEVE A SINGLE WORD OF WHAT'S BEEN SAID ON THIS SIDE OF THE ROOM TONIGHT.
THE GLOBE MASTER CORRIDOR STUDY FOUND THAT AIR POLLUTION, CLIMATE POLLUTION, NOISE, AND AIR TRAFFIC WOULD BE, AND I QUOTE, "SIGNIFICANT AND UNAVOIDABLE," END QUOTE.
THE LARGE CHANGES PROPOSED MOST DEFINITELY SHOULD REQUIRE AN UPDATED STUDY FOR OUR INFORMATION, AND I BELIEVE IT'S REQUIRED UNDER CALIFORNIA STATE LAW.
IN PRACTICE, THE AIRPORT IS BEING DEVELOPED TO VIA INDIVIDUAL APPROVALS WITH NO CUMULATIVE ASSESSMENT OF THE INCREASED OPERATIONS, MORE NOISE, AND MORE LEAD POLLUTION.
THE DEGRADATION OF OUR DAILY LIVES IS OUTRAGEOUS.
WE HAVE NOT BEEN GIVEN ADEQUATE OPPORTUNITY TO EXAMINE THIS PROPOSAL, AND AS A RESULT, I HAVE FOUR QUESTIONS THAT I WOULD LIKE TO PUT ON THE RECORD.
WHAT JETS WILL BE USING THE BIGGER HANGAR, AND HOW MANY WILL BE BASED HERE? HOW MANY MORE FLIGHTS WILL IT BRING, AND HOW MANY AT NIGHT, WHICH IS A PARTICULAR CONCERN? WAS THERE A SPECIFIC STUDY FOR NOISE, AIR POLLUTION, OR CLIMATE POLLUTION AT THE NEW SIZE OF THIS DEVELOPMENT? DID THE 2021 GLOBE MASTER STUDY
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LOOK AT FLIGHTS FROM NEW HANGERS AT THIS SITE? IF SO, ON WHAT PAGE WERE THEY, UH, DISCUSSED? AT THE VERY LEAST, I WOULD REQUEST THAT THIS PROJECT BE DEFERRED UNTIL A GREAT DEAL MORE ENVIRONMENTAL AND PUBLIC IMPORT - INPUT HAS BEEN ASSEMBLED, AND THUS ITS TRUE IMPACT UPON WHERE WE LIVE CAN BE FAIRLY AND REASONABLY JUDGED.GOOD, GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS.
I'M A DISTRICT FIVE RESIDENT, UM, IN CALIFORNIA HEIGHTS, TO BE SPECIFIC.
UM, I'M ASKING THE COMMISSION TO POSTPONE THE APPROVAL UNTIL A FULL ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT REPORT CAN BE CONDUCTED.
I SUPPORT RESPONSIBLE INVESTMENT FOR OUR AIRPORT, BUT I HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THE SIZE OF THE EXPANSION AND WHETHER ITS ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS HAVE ACTUALLY BEEN ADEQUATELY EVALUATED.
UM, OBVIOUSLY, WE KNOW IN 2024, THE COMMISSION APPROVED 74,000 SQUARE FEET, BUT NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT 117,000 SQUARE...THAT'S A 58% INCREASE IN TOTAL BUILDING AREA.
THE MAIN HANGAR IS NEARLY DOUBLING IN SIZE.
THE OFFICE SPACE IS NEARLY TRIPLING IN SIZE.
THAT'S A SUBSTANTIAL CHANGE, BUT THE CITY IS RECOMMENDING NO ADDITIONAL ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW RELYING ON THIS 2021 GLOBEMASTER CORRIDOR EIR, WHICH ALREADY IDENTIFIED SIGNIFICANT AND UNAVOIDABLE IMPACTS RELATED TO AIR QUALITY, GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS, AND TRAFFIC.
SO HOW CAN WE CONFIDENTLY CONCLUDE THE EXIS - THIS EXPANSION WON'T CREATE MORE...
CREATE ADDITIONAL ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS? I, I UNDERSTAND THE DEL - DEVELOPER'S POSITION THAT THESE AIRCRAFT ARE ALREADY FLYING INTO LONG BEACH, SO THIS EXPANSION ESSENTIALLY WON'T INCREASE FLIGHT ACTIVITY, BUT THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN AIRCRAFT THAT OCCASIONALLY VISIT OUR AIRPORT AND AIRCRAFT THAT ARE PERMANENTLY BASED HERE.
HAS ANYONE COMPARED THEIR CURRENT FLIGHT ACTIVITY WITH THEIR PROJECTED ACTIVITY ONCE THEY'RE BASED HERE? I ALSO HEARD THE ARGUMENT SUGGESTING THIS EXPANSION COULD ATTRACT ADDITIONAL AIRCRAFT IS SPECULATIVE, BUT IF THAT'S THE CASE, WHY DOES THE MAIN HANGAR NEED TO DOUBLE IN SIZE? WHAT'S DRIVING THE DEMAND FOR THIS EXPANSION? WE'VE ALREADY SEEN LONG BEACH ATTRACT ADDITIONAL FLIGHT SCHOOL OPERATIONS, SO I DON'T THINK IT'S UNREASONABLE TO QUESTION WHETHER EXPANDING PRIVATE AVIATION FACILITIES COULD SIMILARLY ATTRACT ADDITIONAL AIRCRAFT ACTI- ACTIVITY.
I'M NOT SAYING ADDITIONAL FLIGHTS ARE GUARANTEED, BUT I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD DISMISS THE POSSIBILITY WITHOUT EXAMINING THE EVIDENCE.
THE CITY HAS ALSO SUGGESTED THAT, UH, THESE NEWER AIRCRAFT WILL BE QUIETER, BUT WHAT ARE THE ACTUAL SIZES AND CLASSIFICATIONS OF THE AIRCRAFT THIS HANGAR IS DESIGNED TO ACCOMMODATE? IS IT A LARGE GULF STREAM? IS IT A BOMBARDIER JET? IS POTENTIALLY LARGE CHARTER AIRCRAFT? I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A LIST.
NEWER DOESN'T AUTOMATICALLY MEAN QUIETER OR LESS POLLUTING THAN A SMALLER AIRCRAFT.
AND WE ALREADY HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT INADEQUATE STAFFING TO ENFORCE OUR AIRPORT NOISE ORDINANCE.
HOW WOULD POTENTIALLY ADDING MORE AIRCRAFT IMPROVE THAT SITUATION? WE ALSO NEED TO CONSIDER CUMULATIVE IMPACTS, INCLUDING THE RECENTLY APPROVED SKY HARBOR DEVELOPMENT, WHICH IS EXPECTED TO ACCOMMODATE UP TO 25 LARGE BUSINESS JETS.
LONG BEACH IS ALREADY FACING SIGNIFICANT AIR QUALITY CHALLENGES FROM OUR PORTS, FREEWAYS, AND INDUSTRIAL OPERATIONS, SO I BELIEVE THESE QUESTIONS DESERVE FURTHER EXAMINATION UNDER CEQA, PARTICULARLY REGARDING CUMULATIVE AIR QUALITY EMISSIONS AND NOISE IMPACTS.
I'M RESPECTFULLY ASKING THE COMMISSION TO POSTPONE THIS ITEM AND REQUIRE A FULL PROJECT-SPECIFIC EIR BEFORE MOVING FORWARD.
I GOT THE IMPRESSION THAT IF WE BUILD IT, THEY'LL COME.
IF WE BUILD THIS, THEY'RE GONNA COME.
THIS IS A LONG-TERM LEASE OF PUBLIC LAND.
SO THINK CAREFULLY ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE DOING, BECAUSE MY CONCERN ALSO IS THAT THE AIRPORT IS BEING DEVELOPED PIECEMEAL, BIT BY BIT.
IS THERE A COMPREHENSIVE OVERALL STRATEGIC PLAN FOR THE, FOR THE, UH, AIRPORT? IF IT IS, WE'D LIKE TO SEE IT.
WHEN A CITATION TAKES OFF AT 2:00 AM OR A DESOUL FALCON ROARS DOWN THE RUNWAY, WE ALL GET WOKEN UP.
THIS HAS BEEN INCREASED 58%, WHY WASN'T IT ORIGINALLY SPEC'D OUT CORRECTLY INITIALLY? THAT'S WHERE I, I'M HAVING A HARD PROBLEM WITH THIS.
AND BACK IN T - 2024, YOU MENTIONED THAT, UM, THERE'D BE NO IMPACTS, NO FURTHER, UM, IMPACTS WITH NOISE OR AIRCRAFT.
WELL, THEN WHY ARE WE BUILDING IT LARGER? 58% INCREASE.
SO IS THE AIRPORT BEING DEVELOPED ACCORDING TO A COMPREHENSIVE, PUBLICLY REVIEWED, LONG-TERM AVIATION PLAN, OR IS ITS FUTURE BEING DETERMINED PIECEMEAL THROUGH INDIVIDUAL LEASE AGREEMENTS, HANGAR
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EXPANSIONS, AND DEVELOPMENT APPROVALS WITHOUT A CUMULATIVE ASSESSMENT OF INCREASED AIRCRAFT OPERATIONS, NOISE, AND EMISSIONS.THIS IS, KEROSENE IS THE FUEL THAT THESE JETS USE.
WHERE ARE THE UPDATED CALCULATIONS SHOWING HOW MANY AIRCRAFT WILL BE PARKED IN THESE FACILITIES? I LEARNED ABOUT CONSTRUCTION TONIGHT AND LANDSCAPING, BUT NOTHING ABOUT THE QUANTITY OF AIRCRAFT THAT THESE BUILDINGS ARE GONNA HOLD.
THAT'S A VERY IMPORTANT NUMBER, BECAUSE I DO BELIEVE WE ARE INCREASING.
AND ONCE THE DECISION'S MADE AND IT'S BUILT, THERE'S NO GOING BACK, WHAT, FOR 50 YEARS? WE HAVE TO LIVE WITH THIS.
I LIVE UNDER A FLIGHT PATH RIGHT NOW.
BACK WHEN I MOVED HERE, THERE'S FOUR FLIGHT SCHOOLS.
I CAN'T GET OVER THE FACT THAT THIS IS PLANNED TO EXPAND THE AIRPORT AND TO FURTHER HARM THE RESIDENTS.
MY NAME IS CAPTAIN TED ZELMER JR.
AND I'M FORMERLY THE OWNER, GENERAL CONTRACTOR, ZELLMER CONSTRUCTION.
I DID BIG PROJECTS HERE IN THE CITY, AND ONE OF THEM WAS MY COMPANY BUILT THE FIRST GULFSTREAM AEROSPACE AT THE LONG BEACH AIRPORT.
THE ENVIRONMENTAL STUDIES THAT WERE DONE THEN WERE COMPREHENSIVE, BUT AS SHE MENTIONED, WHAT DID COME WITH IT ALL WAS A BUSINESS PLAN.
THOSE BUSINESS PLAN INCLUDES THOSE STUDIES.
AND SO I HAVE A HEART FOR THE LOCAL RESIDENTS BECAUSE BACK THEN WHEN WE BUILT GULFSTREAM, WE HAD PETITIONS FROM THE NEIGHBORHOODS AGAINST THIS NOTION.
I'M HERE TO SPEAK ON ANOTHER MATTER, BUT I WANTED TO STEP UP.
JUST AS THE CONTRACTOR THAT BUILT GULFSTREAM AEROSPACE AT THE AIRPORT, I HAVE A FEELING FOR THE NEIGHBORS AND THEIR CONCERNS.
ANYONE ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE TODAY WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? SEEING NONE, ANY VIRTUAL COMMENTS, PLEASE? IF THERE ARE ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, PLEASE USE THE RAISE HAND FEATURE NOW.
IF DIALING IN TELEPHONICALLY, PRESS STAR NINE NOW.
AND WE HAVE TWO PEOPLE THAT WOULD LIKE TO PROVIDE PUBLIC COMMENT.
FIRST UP IS GOING TO BE RAY GABALICH.
YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO PROVIDE PUBLIC COMMENT.
UH, THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND GOOD EVENING TO THE PLANNING COMMISSIONERS AND THE CITY STAFF AND THOSE IN THE AUDIENCE.
UM, I DID READ EARLIER THAT, OR I HEARD EARLIER THAT THERE WERE ONLY THREE PUBLIC COMMENTS, LETTERS TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION ON THIS SUBJECT.
AND I SUBMITTED ONE, UH, AT ABOUT THREE O'CLOCK AND I THOUGH I WAS NUMBER FIVE.
SO I DECIDED TO SPEAK TO YOU ABOUT THIS AND I HOPE THAT YOU WILL HAVE TIME, IF YOU DO HAVE MINE IN FRONT OF YOU, THAT YOU WILL READ IT.
UM, I JUST WANT TO REMIND YOU OF SOME OF THE ISSUES RELATED TO THE LONG BEACH AIRPORT OVER THE PAST 40 YEARS.
WHEN LONG BEACH WAS AWARDED ONE OF THE FIVE NATIONWIDE NOISE ORDINANCES IN THE MID '90S, THERE WERE SOME DETAILS THAT CREATED GREAT MISTAKES.
BECAUSE OF THOSE MISTAKES, TODAY OUR RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITIES ARE BURDENED WITH NOISE BECAUSE OF A TECHNICAL EMISSION.
THAT EMISSION WAS WORDING NOT INSERTED IN THE GENERAL AVIATION RESTRICTIONS.
EITHER THE WORDS WERE LEFT OUT OR NOT IN PLAY AT THAT TIME, OR IT WAS ASSUMED THAT FUTURE CONCERNED POLICYMAKERS, ENFORCEMENTS AND COURTS WOULD UNDERSTAND WHAT WAS MEANT BY THE DETAILS.
TODAY, YOU'RE BEING ASKED TO, TO ALLOW THIS PROJECT TO DOUBLE IN SIZE AND BELIEVE IT WILL NOT IMPACT THE AREA WITH ADDITIONAL FLIGHTS BECAUSE OF THE CURRENT LEASE HOLDER.
THE REPORT THAT YOU RECEIVED STATES THAT THERE ARE ONLY 30 TO 40 FLIGHTS PER MONTH.
PRIOR TO THAT, IT SAYS THE REQUEST WAS BECAUSE OF, DUE TO CHANGING MARKET DEMAND.
WHEN I ASKED ABOUT THAT AND I ASKED WHAT, HOW MANY FLIGHTS, UH, FROM THIS PARTICULAR, UH, ENTITY ARE THERE TODAY, AND I WAS TOLD ABOUT A THIRD OF WHAT THEY'RE PROJECTING.
SO THERE WILL BE MORE TRAFFIC.
THEY WILL FALL UNDER CHARTER JETS.
THEY CAN COME AND GO 24 HOURS A DAY.
AND YES, THEY DO H - THEY'RE, THEY ARE UNDER THE
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NOISE ORDINANCE, BUT THEY HAVE, THAT HAS TO BE ENFORCED.IF THE, IT IS ACCURATE THAT THE PROJECT IS FOR A SINGLE AIRPLANE OWNER AND THEIR PERSONAL USE, IT SHOULD STATE SO IN YOUR APPROVAL.
IF YOU GIVE YOUR APPROVAL AND THE 37 YEARS LEASE REMAINING IS SOMEHOW UNRAVELED AND THE PROPERTY GOES BACK INTO A POOL FOR A NEW USER, I SUGGEST THAT YOU HIGHLIGHT THAT A NEW LESSEE WILL BE REQUIRED TO OPERATE UNDER THESE SAME CONTROLS.
THIS NEW TERMINAL CANNOT BE USED FOR CHARTER JET OPERATIONS.
IT WILL NOT BE ABLE TO OPERATE AS A CONGLOMERATE WITH SEVERAL OPERATORS AND FLIGHT SERVICES TO THE PUBLIC.
AGAIN, TODAY, THAT IS NOT WHAT YOU'RE CONSIDERING, BUT YOUR DECISION AND YOUR ADDITIONS TO THE AGREEMENT MUST COVER ALL FUTURE POSSIBILITIES.
AND I DON'T CALL IT SPECULATION.
I CALL IT POSSIBILITIES TO PROTECT YOUR RESIDENTS, TO PROTECT OUR CITY AGAINST DETERIORATION OF RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITIES THAT CALL LONG BEACH HOME, YET STILL SUPPORT NEW BUSINESS ADVENTURES WITHIN OUR CITY THAT WILL BE RESPECTFUL AND GROW THE POSITIVE REPUTATION OF LONG BEACH.
NEXT UP WE HAVE ANNE CANTRELL.
YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO PROVIDE PUBLIC COMMENT.
AND I HOPE YOU WERE LISTENING WELL TO ALL THE GREAT ADVICE GIVEN TO YOU BY THE PUBLIC.
AND, AND, UH, I ALSO APPRECIATE THE QUESTIONS THAT WERE ASKED BY THE COMMISSIONERS.
UM, THE STAFF REPORT STATES THAT ALMOST DOUBLING AN AIRPORT STORAGE HANGAR FROM 3,100 FIVE, 31,500 SQUARE FEET TO 61,695 SQUARE FEET WILL NOT RESULT IN ANY NEW SIGNIFICANT ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS THAN THOSE ALREADY STUDIED IN THE PROGRAM EIR.
THE PROGRAM EIR ADDRESSED THE EFFECTS OF AIRPORT EXPANSION ON NOISE, LIGHTS, AND AIR QUALITY FOR RESIDENTS AND WILDLIFE IN THE AREA SURROUNDING THE AIRPORT AND CAME TO THE QUESTIONABLE CONCLUSION THAT THERE ARE NO ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS.
IN FACT, THE MITIGATIONS FOR AIR QUALITY AND NOISE ADDRESS ONLY THOSE CONCERNED WITH CONSTRUCTION, NOT AIRPORT OPERATIONS.
AS FOR TRANSPORTATION AND TRAFFIC ISSUES, THE PROGRAM EIR STATES THE PROPOSED PROJECT WILL GENERATE AN INCREASE OF 41,299 DAILY TRIPS, WHICH WILL RESULT IN A LEVEL OF SERVICE DEFICIENCY AT SEVERAL INTERSECTIONS.
THE 14 SUGGESTED MITIGATIONS FOR THIS, UH, DEFICIENCY WERE ALL DIR - REJECTED AS INFEASIBLE.
IT APPEARS THAT THE PROGRAM EIR WAS APPROVED WITH NO MITIGATIONS FOR TRANSPORTATION AND TRAFFIC PROBLEMS. I URGE THE COMMISSION TO REQUIRE A SUPPLEMENTAL EIR FOR THIS EXPANSION, WHICH WILL ADD TRAFFIC TO AN ALREADY IMPACTED AREA, NOT TO MENTION AIR QUALITY AND NOISE.
I'D ALSO LIKE TO ASK THAT IF YOU DO APPROVE THIS, THAT YOU REQUIRE SOLAR PANELS ON THE ROOF, NOT JUST SOLAR READY.
IF THERE ARE ANY OTHER MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, PLEASE USE THE RAISE HAND FEATURE NOW.
IF DIALING IN TELEPHONICALLY, PRESS STAR NINE NOW.
SEEING NONE, THAT CONCLUDES PUBLIC COMMENT FOR THIS ITEM.
WE'LL TAKE IT BACK, UH, COMMISSIONERS.
UM, SO I'VE HEARD, I'M NOT SURE IF IT'S TRUE, BUT DO WE HAVE, UH, 24-HOUR OPERATIONS AT THE AIRPORT FLYING IN AND OUT? I'M ASKING BECAUSE I DO KNOW WE HAVE NOTIFICATION EVERY TIME THERE'S MILITARY BEYOND CERTAIN HOURS.
AND, UH, I WAS WONDERING IF, IF IT'S 24 HOURS.
SO THE AIRPORT IS A FEDERAL FACILITY AND IT IS AVAILABLE 24 HOURS A DAY.
THERE ARE NOISE RESTRICTIONS THAT LIMIT
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NIGHTTIME OPERATIONS AND PRIORITIZE OPERATIONS TO OCCUR DURING NON-SENSITIVE HOURS.SO, UH, ONE OF THE SPEAKERS MENTIONED ABOUT A, A OPERATOR THAT HAD MULTIPLE NOISE VIOLATIONS, THAT'S BECAUSE WE DO NOISE MONITORING AND THERE ARE FINANCIAL PENALTIES FOR VIOLATING THE NOISE RESTRICTIONS.
BUT AS A FEDERAL AIRPORT, JUST LIKE ANYWHERE ELSE IN THE COUNTRY, IF AN AIRPLANE SHOWS UP AT ONE IN THE MORNING AND NEEDS TO LAND, AIR TRAFFIC CONTROL IS GONNA FACILITATE THE AIRPLANE SAFELY LANDING.
THERE THEN ARE GONNA BE CONSEQUENCES FOR VIOLATING THE NOISE ORDINANCE, BUT FOR SAFETY REASONS, WE DON'T HAVE A WAY TO TELL THE AIRPLANE, "NO, GO FIND SOMEWHERE ELSE TO LAND YOUR AIRPLANE." SO THERE ARE CONTROLS.
THE CITY DOES WHAT'S WITHIN THE POWERS OF THE CITY TO PREVENT NIGHTTIME NOISE, UM, BUT THERE ARE CIRCUMSTANCES WHERE THE CITY'S NOT SUCCESSFUL IN PREVENTING THAT, AND THEN THERE'S CONSEQUENCES, UM, TO THE OPERATOR FOR THAT NIGHTTIME NOISE.
WE SHOULD, UM, PUBLICIZE THAT MORE.
UM, ARE THERE LIMITS ON THE TYPES OF AIRCRAFT ALLOWED IN THE AIRPORT? THE AIRPORT MAINTAINS, UM, LEASE HOLDS WITH OPERATORS FOR WHAT, UM, IS PERMITTED, AND THAT'S IN CLOSE COLLABORATION WITH THE FAA AND FEDERAL REGULATORS.
UM, SO DIFFERENT TYPES OF LEASEHOLDS AND PARTNERSHIPS DO ALLOW DIFFERENT TYPES OF, UM, AIRCRAFT AND, UH, OPERATIONS TO, UH, TAKE PLACE.
SO WE DO HAVE COMMERCIAL AIRCRAFT, AND THEN THERE ARE SMALL, UH, SMALLER, UH, PRIVATE PLANES, AS YOU'RE HEARING, AS WELL AS, UM, SOME FLIGHT SCHOOLS, UM, AT THE AIRPORT.
THERE HAS TO BE, BUT IS THERE A SAFETY INSPECTION AND A, UM...
I KNOW WE SPOKE ABOUT HAVING OLDER A- AIRCRAFT, BUT IT HAS TO BE AIRWORTHY OR OPERATIONAL WORTHY.
YEAH, THERE ARE, UH, FEDERAL REGULATIONS THAT ARE TO ENSURE SAFETY OF ALL AIRCRAFT, UM, GIVEN OUR, UH, FEDERAL TRANSPORTATION LAWS AND REQUIREMENTS.
UM, I HAVE ONE THAT'S A LITTLE BIT TO THE SIDE, BUT I NOTICED IN, UM, NUMBER 76 IN THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS, UM, IF THERE ARE ANY PHONE BOOTHS, THEY WILL BE REMOVED.
UH, UNDER A THING OF SAFETY, I, I REALLY HATED SEEING THEM GO AS, AS HAVING SOMETHING BECAUSE NOT EVERYBODY DOES HAVE A CELL PHONE OR HAVE IT FULLY CHARGED WHEN IT'S NEEDED.
YOUR CAR BREAKS DOWN, YOU GOTTA CALL.
UM, IS THERE A REASON FOR THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S UNDER SAFETY? YES, THAT'S A S - A STANDARD CONDITION OF APPROVAL THAT WE'VE BEEN USING FOR A LONG TIME, AND IT WAS, IT'S AIMED AT WHAT ARE CALLED PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE TELEPHONES, UH, WHICH ARE TYPICALLY OUTSIDE OF BUSINESSES, AND THE WAY THEY HAD BEEN POSITIONED IN PAST DECADES ALLOWED PEOPLE TO QUEUE ACROSS THE SIDEWALK WHILE USING THOSE TELEPHONES, WHICH CREATED A NUISANCE.
SO THAT'S WHERE THAT DRIVE CAME TO REMOVE THE PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE TELEPHONES.
UM, AND THO- THOSE ARE REALLY I- IN THE DOWNTOWN ENVIRONMENT OR THE OTHER PEDESTRIAN HEAVY ENVIRONMENTS OF THE CITY.
UM, I DON'T EXPECT THAT THERE WOULD BE A PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE TELEPHONE AT THIS LOCATION, BUT IF THERE WERE, IF SOMEBODY WANTED TO PUT ONE ON THE EXTERIOR OF THE BUILDING, I DON'T BELIEVE IT WOULD BE A CONCERN IN THIS CASE.
UM, FROM EVERYTHING I READ AND WHAT I'VE HEARD ANSWERED MY OTHER QUESTIONS, SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER, OTHER COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER.
SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WERE RAISED HAD TO DO WITH LIMITING THE TYPES OF, UH, TENANTS SHOULD THE, UH, TENANT, THE CURRENT TENANT FALL, FALL THROUGH.
UH, I BELIEVE IT HAD TO DO WITH LIMITING THE OPERATIONS TO OWNER, OWNER FLIGHTS, UH, LIMITING THE NUMBER OF FLIGHTS FOR THOSE OWNERS, UH, PROHIBITING CHARTER OPERATIONS.
UM, ARE ANY OF THESE THINGS THINGS THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO PUT INTO THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL? SO I'M GONNA HAVE SCOTT REMIND US ALL WHAT IS IN THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL, BECAUSE YOU CAN'T JUST SUDDENLY DO A DIFFERENT PROJECT BECAUSE YOU HAVE THIS APPROVAL.
SO THERE ARE RESTRICTIONS ALREADY IN THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL, AND SCOTT'S GONNA GO THROUGH THAT, BUT I DO WANNA SEPARATE OUT KIND OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S AUTHORITY
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FROM THE CITY COUNCIL, BECAUSE THERE IS AN EXECUTED LEASE, AND THE LEASE TERMS ARE NEGOTIATED AND APPROVED BY THE CITY COUNCIL.SO REVISITING THOSE LEASE TERMS OR ADDING OR FURTHER RESTRICTING THOSE LEASE TERMS WOULD NOT BE IN THE, THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S PURVIEW.
UM, WHAT WOULD BE ARE THE, THE LAND USE ISSUES.
SO THE SIZE OF THE BUILDING, WHAT THE BUILDING'S USED FOR, NOT REALLY WHO, YOU KNOW, IF THE BUILDING'S USED BY JANE INSTEAD OF JOHN, THAT'S NOT A, A LAND USE CONCERN, RIGHT? SO, UM, SCOTT'S GONNA GO THROUGH WHAT IS IN THE CONDITIONS TODAY.
SURE, AND I'LL GO THROUGH THE SPECIAL CONDITIONS.
UM, I'M GONNA LEAVE OUT THIS SORT OF THE BOILERPLATES, GENERAL STANDARD CONDITIONS THAT APPLY TO EVERY PROJECT, BUT SORT OF JUST STARTING AT THE BEGINNING, UM, OUR CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL TYPICALLY FLOW IN THIS, YOU KNOW, SIMILAR MANNER WHERE WE'RE GONNA START WITH THE FIRST CONDITION THAT TALKS ABOUT WHAT ARE WE APPROVING, THIS IS A MODIFICATION TO A PREVIOUSLY APPROVED PROJECT, DESCRIBES, YOU KNOW, IT'S GETTING LARGER, THESE ARE THE SQUARE FOOTAGES THAT WE'RE APPROVING.
UM, THE NEXT CONDITION SORT OF MEMORIALIZES WHAT WE DID FOR CEQA COMPLIANCE AND DESCRIBES THE PROGRAM EIR COMPLIANCE CHECKLIST, UH, AND THAT IT FOUND THAT THE, UH, PROJECTS IMPACTS ARE WITHIN AND WELL BELOW THE IMPACTS THAT WERE STUDIED IN THE OVERALL GLOBE MASTER CORRIDOR SPECIFIC PLAN PROGRAM EIR, WHICH WAS THE EIR FOR THE WHOLE VERY LARGE...
I DON'T HAVE THE NUMBER OF ACRES IN FRONT OF ME, BUT IT WAS THOUSANDS OF ACRES OF THE PLAN AREA OF THE ENTIRE GLOBE MASTER CORRIDOR SPECIFIC PLAN.
UM, THE THIRD CONDITION SORT OF TALKS ABOUT THE CHANGES TO THE SITE, UH, AND WHAT WE'RE APPROVING THE SPECIFICS, YOU KNOW, SITE PLAN CHANGES FROM THE PREVIOUS ITERATION OF THE PROJECT TO THIS ITERATION OF THE PROJECT, MOVING AROUND DRIVE AISLES, PARKING STALLS, BICYCLE PARKING, UM, CHANGES TO BUILDING AREA AND, UM, SQUARE FOOTAGE TO THE OFFICES, AND I BELIEVE THERE IS A OUTDOOR ROOF DECK.
UM, THE FOURTH CONDITION TALKS ABOUT CHANGES TO THE CONSTRUCTION METHOD.
SO THE PROJECT ARCHITECT HAS SELECTED A MASS TIMBER CONSTRUCTION, UH, METHOD, UH, BUT ALSO IS RETAINING THE OPTION TO USE A METAL BUILDING SYSTEM.
SO THE OTHER HANGAR IN THIS PROJECT, WHICH IS ALREADY BUILT, WAS BUILT WITH A METAL BUILDING SYSTEM, UM, TYPE OF ARCHITECTURE AND CONSTRUCTION METHOD.
AND THEN WE'LL MOVE INTO MORE OF CONSTRUCTION RELATED CONDITIONS, TALKING ABOUT PRIOR TO ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY, THEY HAVE TO PAY IMPACT FEES.
UM, ANOTHER CONDITION DEALS WITH, UH, PROJECT ELEVATIONS, THE ELEVATIONS OF THE BUILDING, AND HOW THEY NEED TO COMPLY WITH THE GLOBE MASTER CORRIDOR SPECIFIC PLANS, UM, DESIGN GUIDELINES.
UH, SO WE HAVE SPECIFIC DESIGN ELEMENTS, FEATURES, AND ARCHITECTURE.
THEY'RE INTENDED TO CREATE A, UM, PLAN AREA-WIDE DESIGN VOCABULARY, UH, WHICH THE ARCHITECT HAS DESIGNED THE PROJECT TO COMPLY WITH THAT.
UM, THE SEVENTH CONDITION IS KIND OF A BIG DEAL, SO IT TALKS ABOUT HOW ALL THE DEVELOPMENT HAS TO CONFORM TO THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE LONG BEACH AIRPORT DEPARTMENT, UM, WHICH I- INCLUDES ALL APPROVALS AND DIRECTIVES ISSUED FOR THIS PROJECT BY THE AIRPORT DIRECTOR AND THE ENGINEERING REQUIREMENTS OF THE LONG BEACH AIR- AIRPORT DEPARTMENT.
THESE ARE CRUCIAL TO ENSURING NOT ONLY FLIGHT SAFETY, UM, BUT CONTINUED FEDERAL COMPLIANCE AND FEDERAL FUNDING, UH, FOR THE LONG BEACH AIRPORT.
UH, LIKEWISE, THE EIGHTH CONDITION TALKS ABOUT HOW THE, UM, PROJECT APPLICANT HAS TO OBTAIN ALL NECESSARY REVIEWS AND APPROVALS FROM THE FAA OR PROVIDE EVIDENCE, UH, THAT THAT TYPE OF REVIEW IS NOT REQUIRED, UM, TO THE SATISFACTION OF THE AIRPORT DIRECTOR.
AND PLANNING STAFF TYPICALLY WORKS HAND-IN-HAND WITH THE AIRPORT ENGINEERING STAFF TO ENSURE THAT ALL THESE REVIEWS HAVE TAKEN PLACE BEFORE WE APPROVE ANY, UH, ZONING APPROVALS ON PLANS TO GO TO BUILDING PERMITS.
UM, MOVING ON, WE HAVE ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS TO TALK ABOUT COMPLIANCE WITH THE CALIFORNIA AIRPORT LAND USE PLANNING HANDBOOK, WHICH IS THE DEFINITIVE DOCUMENT PUBLISHED BY CALTRANS, UM, DIVISION OF AERONAUTICS THAT TALKS ABOUT HOW ALL AIRPORTS AND AIRPORT-RELATED DEVELOPMENT HAS TO BE DEVELOPED WITHIN THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA.
SIMILARLY, THERE IS THE LOS ANGELES COUNTY AIRPORT LAND USE PLAN.
I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA JUMP IN HERE.
I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO READ THROUGH THE ENTIRE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL.
UM, MORE OF WHAT I WAS TRYING TO GET AT IS, IS THE IDEA OF WHAT ARE WE ALLOWED TO DO IN, IN REGARDS TO TENANCY, UH, REQUIREMENTS AND, UH, UH, HOW THE FEDERAL AND THE CITY COUNCIL, UM, LEASE AND, AND, UH, UH, LICENSING, UM, AGREEMENTS AFFECTED, AFFECT WHAT WE CAN DO HERE.
AND I THINK THAT ACTUALLY, UH, DIRECTOR KOONCE PROBABLY ANSWERED THAT QUESTION.
YEAH, SO, I MEAN, THIS APPROVAL IS FOR THIS DESIGN, THIS USE.
UM, WE THINK THE CONDITIONS ALREADY, YOU KNOW, CAPTURE YOUR CONCERN,
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BUT IF THERE ARE SPECIFIC THINGS YOU'RE CONTEMPLATING ADDING, WE CAN WORK THROUGH THEM WITH NICK HERE, WHO'S GONNA KEEP US ALL LEGAL, AND, UM, WE'D BE GLAD TO ENTERTAIN THAT.YOU KNOW, WE BELIEVE THE CONDITIONS, UM, COVER THE EVENTUALITY, AND THEY DO SAY THAT THE APPLICANT HAS TO COME BACK IF THERE'S A MATERIAL CHANGE, UM, TO THE PROJECT, A CHANGE IN OPERATOR ISN'T A MATERIAL CHANGE, UM, JUST LIKE WHEN WE APPROVE RESTAURANTS, IT MAY GO FROM JIM'S BURGERS TO TINA'S SALADS AND IT DOESN'T COME BACK, BUT, UM, WE'D BE GLAD TO TAKE ANY SUGGESTIONS AND WORK THROUGH THEM WITH YOU.
MINE, UH, UH, TO YOUR POINT, LOOKING AT WHAT WE'RE HERE ASKED TO DO IS TO APPROVE THAT, TO ENSURE THAT THE DESIGN GOING FROM THE ORIGINAL SQUARE FOOTAGE TO WHAT IT IS NOW, IT'S, UM, IT FITS WITHIN THE GUIDELINES.
AND THE QUESTION I HAVE MORE SO IS IN TERMS OF SOUND AND THAT KIND OF STUFF, SO I'M NOT SURE IF THAT COMES OUR WAY.
I DIDN'T KNOW THAT PLANES COULD TAKE OFF 24 HOURS A DAY.
I WOULD IMAGINE IF SOMEBODY HAS TO LAND, THEY HAVE TO LAND, BUT I DIDN'T KNOW THAT PLANES WERE TAKING OFF AT ONE OR TWO IN THE MORNING.
I CAN, I CAN TELL WHEN MILITARY JETS ARE COMING IN, BUT THAT'S NOT ALL THE TIME.
UM, SO THAT, THAT WAS KIND OF INTERESTING, AND I'M NOT SURE IF IT'S WITH, UH, THIS COMMISSION'S PURVIEW TO ASK THE STAFF TO LOOK AT THAT OR TO A- ADDRESS THAT PARTICULAR ISSUES AND RELATED TO SOUND.
I CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT THE BUSINESS OR WHAT'S GOING ON THERE.
IT'S NOT MY BUSINESS, BUT THE SOUND IS SOMETHING THAT KIND OF - YEAH, SO THE CITY DOESN'T CONTROL, UH, ATC, AIR TRAFFIC CONTROL, THE FEDS DO.
WE CAN CERTAINLY HAVE THE AIRPORT STAFF COME BACK AND DO A, A TEACHING SESSION ABOUT ALL THINGS AIRPORT AND, UH, AIRPORT NOISE.
WE DO EVERYTHING TO CONTROL AIRPORT NOISE.
WE DON'T WANT PLANES TAKING OFF IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT, BUT AGAIN, WE DON'T RUN AIR TRAFFIC CONTROL.
SO, UM, UH, WHEN THERE ARE NIGHTTIME OPERATIONS, IT'S THE EXCEPTION RATHER THAN THE RULE.
BUT BEYOND THAT, I'M GONNA HAVE THE AIRPORT STAFF COME BACK AND GIVE YOU A GENERAL EDUCATION ABOUT THAT, BUT IN TERMS OF THE INSTANT MATTER IN FRONT OF US, I THINK WE'RE IN A GOOD PLACE.
ALLISON'S GONNA TELL YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENTAL, BECAUSE THERE ARE A LOT OF PUBLIC, UM, COMMENTS ABOUT THAT, IF THAT'S OKAY WITH YOU, COMMISSIONER.
SO I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY, BECAUSE I THINK THERE WERE A LOT OF PUBLIC COMMENTS AND MAYBE, UM, AREAS OF CONFUSION RELATED TO WHAT'S BEFORE THE COMMISSION AND WHAT THE ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW REALLY LOOKS AT.
UH, SO WE KNOW THAT UNDER CALIFORNIA ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY ACT, UM, WE'RE USING A BEST PRACTICE IN THE GLOBEMASTER SPECIFIC PLAN AREA OF A PROGRAMMATIC ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT REPORT.
SO INSTEAD OF TAKING A PIECEMEAL LOOK AT POTENTIAL FUTURE DEVELOPMENT, WE DID A FIVE-YEAR PLANNING PROCESS THAT RESULTED IN THE SPECIFIC PLAN OF GLOBEMASTER WITH A PROGRAMMATIC EIR THAT ANALYZED, DISCLOSED, AND LOOKED AT THE CUMULATIVE IMPACTS OF THE BUILD OUT ESTIMATED IN THE GLOBE MASTER SPECIFIC PLAN.
SO THAT PROGRAMMATIC EIR IS WHAT WE COME BACK TO EVERY TIME SOMEONE ASKS FOR PERMISSION TO BUILD WITHIN THE GLOBE MASTER SPECIFIC PLAN.
I THINK MAYBE SOME PEOPLE ARE THINKING OF IT AS COMPARING THE OLD PROJECT TO THE NEW PROJECT, BUT WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS ARE THERE NEW AND SIGNIFICANT IMPACTS BEYOND WHAT THE GLOBEMASTER SPECIFIC PLAN ENVIRONMENTALLY REVIEWED AND CLEARED AND SHARED WITH THE PUBLIC WHEN WE APPROVED THAT DOCUMENT BACK IN 2020 AND 2021 BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL? UM, SO THE VERY BEGINNING OF YOUR STAFF REPORT IS ASKING, UM, WHETHER WE, UM, WERE CORRECT IN DETERMINING THAT THIS PROJECT IS IN THE SCOPE OF THE GLOBE MASTER SPECIFIC PLAN.
SO IT'S REALLY NOT ABOUT COMPARING IT TO THE OLD PROJECT, UM, IT'S REALLY ABOUT, UM, ARE THERE NEW AND SIGNIFICANT IMPACTS? AND SO THERE'S A 280-PAGE, UH, COMPLIANCE CHECKLIST THAT CONFIRMS THAT THIS PROJECT IS FULLY WITHIN, UM, THE IMPACTS THAT WERE ANALYZED AND DISCLOSED TO THE PUBLIC AT THE TIME THAT THE PLAN WAS APPROVED.
UM, WE ALSO DO HAVE THE ENVIRONMENTAL CONSULTANT ON- ONLINE IF YOU'D LIKE TO HEAR MORE OF THE TECHNICAL ANALYSIS COMPONENTS OF THAT, BUT JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY SORT OF WHAT THE NEW AND SIGNIFICANT IMPACT ANALYSIS IS REALLY ABOUT, WHICH IS COMPARING TO THE PLAN LEVEL, WHICH THIS FALLS WELL WITHIN.
CHAIR CHAMBERS, YOU GOOD? UM, I...
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'M STRUGGLING WITH WITH THIS PROPOSAL IS THAT IN, IN FULL DISCLOSURE, I WAS ON THE PLA - ON THE, ON THE AIRPORT COMMISSION FOR A FEW YEARS, SO I HAVE MY...
I KNOW MY WAY AROUND THE AIRPORT A LITTLE BIT AND, AND THE RULES.
AND ONE OF THE FRUSTRATING PARTS OF WHEN I WAS ON THAT COMMISSION WAS THAT ALMOST AT EVERY PROPOSAL THAT CAME FORWARD OR REALLY IT WAS AN ADVISORY, SO WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY DECISION RIGHTS IN, IN THAT COMMISSION.
BUT, UH, ONE OF THE FRUSTRATING PARTS THAT, UM, THAT I ALWAYS GOT, UM, HEARTBURN OVER IS THAT THE AIRPORT IS OPEN AND IT NEEDS TO BE MAINTAINED OPEN AND THE FAA CONTROLS THE AIRSPACE.
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NOT DO ANYTHING TO INHIBIT THAT AS A CITY, AS A MUNICIPALITY, WHICH MAKES, UH, SENSE TO, IN, IN SOME WAYS.BUT, UM, NOW WE HAVE AN ISSUE HERE THAT'S SITTING ON THE LAND, AND WE DO CONTROL THE LAND, AND WE DO CONTROL WHAT GOES ON THE LAND.
AND, UM, THE CONTRADICTIONS THAT I HAVE RIGHT NOW THAT I'M TRYING TO RECONCILE IS THAT, UH, AT THIS COMMISSION, WE SEE AND APPROVE, UH, A HUGE VARIETY OF PROJECTS FROM RESTAURANTS, AS CHRISTOPHER MENTIONED.
UM, AND IN SOME OF THOSE RESTAURANT CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL, WE ACTUALLY DESIGNATE HOW MANY BAR STOOLS CAN BE IN THAT RESTAURANT AND CANNOT BE MOVED AS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL.
YET WE'RE SEEING THIS PROJECT THAT'S GOING FROM, YOU KNOW, A RIDICULOUS AMOUNT FROM WHAT IT WAS, 17,000 TO 100 AND WHATEVER THOUSAND.
AND THE OPAQUENESS IS THE PART THAT I'M, I'M STRUGGLING WITH BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW CONCEPTUALLY HERE WHAT IMPACT IT ACTUALLY WILL HAVE, BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHETHER IT WILL BE 30 FLIGHTS THAT THE, THAT WILL BE CHARTERED OUT OF HERE, ONE A DAY, SOUNDS ODD TO ME, BUT NEVERTHELESS, THAT'S POSSIBLE, TO 500 A MONTH, WHICH NOTHING IN OUR CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL, I BELIEVE, RESTRICT THAT EITHER.
UM, SO I'M NOT COMFORTABLE WITH VOTING FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT EXPANSION WITHOUT HAVING SOME VISIBILITY TO UNDERSTANDING WHAT IMPACT IT WILL HAVE TO THE NEIGHBORING COMMUNITY.
AND BECAUSE IT'S ONE THING WHEN WE'RE APPROVING A ALCOHOL PERMIT AND WE KNOW THE IMMEDIATE RADIUS OF WHAT THAT'S GONNA IMPACT, AND WE DO ASK THOSE QUESTIONS, AND THOSE AN - QUESTIONS ARE ANSWERED.
IN THIS CASE, JETS AND THE NOISE AND THE IMPACT, WHETHER YOU'RE TAKING OFF OR LANDING, WE DON'T HAVE THAT VISIBILITY RIGHT NOW.
AND, AND THAT'S THE PART THAT I'M STRUGGLING WITH.
AND, AND I KNOW CERTAIN ASPECTS OF THIS ARE WITHIN OUR CONTROL AND CERTAIN ASPECTS ARE NOT.
UM, AND WE CERTAINLY CAN'T DICTATE WHO GOES IN THERE, BUT I THINK WE DO HAVE, AND I'D LIKE TO LEAN TOWARDS A, A CITY ATTORNEY TO GUIDE US HERE IN TERMS OF, UM, THE VISIBILITY OF IMPACTS IN TERMS OF TRAFFIC AND OPERATIONAL ELEMENTS, NOT NECESSARILY TENANTS, BUT THE OPERATIONAL ELEMENTS AND THE IMPACTS, OR AT LEAST PUTTING SOME CONDITIONS IN PLACE WHEREBY THE EITHER FUTURE TENANT OR THE DEVELOPER WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK AND GIVE US SOME VISIBILITY TO WHAT IMPACT THAT WOULD HAVE AT THAT POINT, BECAUSE WE CAN CERTAINLY MAKE DESIGN DECISIONS, AND THOSE ARE ALL FINE AND GOOD, AND I HAVE ALL THE, ALL THE FAITH IN THE WORLD ON THE STAFF BEING ABLE TO DO THAT, BUT I'M REALLY LOOKING AT THE OPERATIONAL IMPACTS, NOT HAVING, HAVING AN OPAQUENESS AROUND WHO WOULD BE GOING IN AND WHAT IMPACTS THEY, THOSE WOULD HAVE.
SO I'M BEING REDUNDANT NOW, SO...
BEFORE I PASS IT TO OUR DEPUTY CITY ATTORNEY, NI- NICK MASERO, WHO WE'RE EXCITED TO HAVE HERE THIS EVENING, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S, IT'S CLEAR FOR THE COMMISSION THAT WHEN WE'RE REVIEWING SOMETHING LIKE, UM, A REQUEST TO, UM, SERVE ALCOHOL, THAT'S DONE THROUGH A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE DECIDING WHETHER TO PERMIT THE USE.
AND THE USE TABLE IN THE PLANNING DOCUMENT SAYS, "DO YOU NEED A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT OR NOT?" IN THE GLOBE MASTER SPECIFIC PLAN, WE DON'T HAVE A REQUIREMENT FOR A USE PERMIT, AND SO YOUR, YOUR POINT ABOUT GETTING TO THAT GRANULARITY OF THE USE WOULD, WOULD BE, UH, FEASIBLE IN A DIFFERENT TYPE OF USE REVIEW.
WHAT'S BEFORE THE COMMISSION HERE IS REALLY THE DESIGN REVIEW, RIGHT, THAT SITE PLAN REVIEW.
SO THE DESIGN REVIEW OF HOW THE LAND IS DEVELOPED.
AND SO THE, UH, RECOMMENDATION PACKAGE IN THE LETTER REALLY CLARIFIES FOR YOU WHAT IS, WHAT'S IN OUR SCOPE AND WHAT YOU CAN DO GIVEN THE BY-RIGHT ALLOWANCE FOR THIS TYPE OF USE.
THE REASON IT'S A BY RIGHT ALLOWANCE AT THIS LOCATION FROM A LAND USE PERSPECTIVE.
SO I THINK WE'RE HEARING A LOT OF CONCERNS ABOUT OPERATIONS, AND WE'VE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HOW THAT IS REGULATED LOCALLY WITH THE AIRPORT AND CLOSE COLLABORATION WITH OUR FEDERAL PARTNERS LIKE THE FAA.
UM, AND AGAIN, THE CITY DOES HAVE LIMITS ON HOW WE CAN, UM, UH, RESTRICT THOSE OPERATIONS.
IT'S CONSIDERED LIKE AN INTERSTATE COMMERCE AND FEDERAL, UH, UH, AREA OF REGULATION, UH, NOT TO BE RESTRICTED, UH, LOCALLY.
AND SO THE REASON IT IS ALLOWED BY RIGHT IS BECAUSE FROM THE GENERAL PLAN PERSPECTIVE, WE'RE IN WHAT'S CALLED THE REGIONAL SERVING FACILITY PLACE TYPE.
SO THIS IS EXACTLY THE TYPE OF USE WE EXPECT TO SEE OF THIS PART OF THE LAND AREA OF THE CITY.
UM, AND AGAIN, DID THAT PROGRAMMATIC REVIEW OF THE WHOLE GLOBEMASTER SPECIFIC PLAN, NOT JUST THIS ONE SITE TO SEE, TO SAY HOW DO WE WANT THIS TO DEVELOP OVERALL FROM A, A LAND DEVELOPMENT PERSPECTIVE, AND TO THEN COME BACK ON, ON A PARCEL BY PARCEL AND PROJECT BY PROJECT, UM, BASIS TO THEN LOOK AT IS WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED CONSISTENT WITH THE PLAN, WITH THE LAND USE DEVELOPMENT PLAN OR NOT, UH, SIMILAR TO ON THE ENVIRONMENTAL SIDE.
SO I THINK THAT'S, UH, AN IMPORTANT CLARIFICATION.
THE OTHER ONE I WANTED TO MENTION, BECAUSE YOU KIND OF TOUCHED ON THIS, AND I THINK SOME OTHERS IN THE PUBLIC COMMENT DID AS WELL, IS THERE IS AN AIRPORT LAYOUT PLAN THAT'S APPROVED BY THE FAA...
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THAT COMPREHENSIVE AIRPORT PLAN AS WELL AND GIVES YOU THAT BETTER SENSE OF OPERATIONS.AGAIN, THAT'S NOT IN OUR JURISDICTION HERE ON THE PLANNING SIDE, BUT THAT IS, UM, ANOTHER, ANOTHER COMPONENT THAT I THINK SPEAKS TO SOME OF THE QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS THAT WE'RE HEARING HERE THIS EVENING.
SO NICK MAY HAVE MORE THINGS TO ADD, BUT...
THAT'S, UH, EXPERT AND, AND VERY CLEAR, BUT I THINK IT'S A HIT AT THE CORE OF IT.
IT'S A, THE JURISDICTIONAL QUESTION BEFORE THE COMMISSION TODAY IS THE DESIGN.
AND BECAUSE THIS IS A FEDERALLY REGULATED AIRSPACE, BECAUSE THE TENANCY AGREEMENTS ARE HANDLED IN A DIFFERENT FORUM, THERE REALLY IS, UM, A VE - A, A PARTICULAR FOCUS ON THE COMMISSION'S TASK TODAY.
UM, AND, AND WITH THAT IN MIND, SINCE WE'RE FOCUSING ON THE DESIGN, UM, DOESN'T BY THAT MEAN THAT THE DESIGN THEN IMPACTS ITS USE AND, AND, AND THE IMPACT THAT IT HAS IN THE AREA? SO THE QUESTION, THE JURISDICTIONAL QUESTION, IF WE GO BACK TO THE RECOMMENDATION IN THE STAFF REPORT, IT REALLY GUIDES US IN, IN WHAT, UM, IS BEFORE YOU AND WHAT FINDING STAFF MADE AND WHETHER THE COMMISSION MAY HAVE, UM, SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE FOR, FOR DIFFERENT FINDINGS THAN WHAT STAFF DID.
SO THE FIRST ONE IS ON THE ENVIRONMENTAL.
SO THERE WAS A DETERMINATION BASED ON THE, UH, COMPLIANCE CHECKLIST AND ALL THE SUPPORTIVE T - UH, TECHNICAL, UM, UH, DOCUMENTS BEHIND IT THAT THE PROJECT IS WITHIN THE SCOPE OF THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT REPORT.
SO THIS IS NOT A NEW EIR, IT'S NOT A NEW LEGISLATIVE QUESTION.
IT'S JUST DOES IT MEET WHAT WE ALREADY SAID WE WANTED TO ALLOW AND ALREADY APPROVED? SO THAT'S THE QUESTION.
UM, IF THE COMMISSION, UM, HAS DIFFERENT FINDINGS IN STAFF OF, OF WHY THERE'S A SPECIFIC TOPIC AREA, UM, THAT ISN'T CONSISTENT WITH THE GLOBE MASTER SPECIFIC PLAN, THAT WOULD NEED TO BE ARTICULATED.
UM, AND THEN THE NEXT COMPONENT IS THAT, UM, MODIFICATION TO THE APPROVED PERMIT, WHICH IS FOR WHAT'S CALLED A SITE PLAN REVIEW, WHICH IS THE CITY'S DESI- DESIGN REVIEW PROCESS BY WHICH WE CAN IMPOSE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL TO ENSURE THE DESIGN IS HARMONIOUS, UM, AND, UH, MEETS OUR LAND USE, UH, REGULATIONS AND DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, BOTH WITHIN THE SPECIFIC PLAN AND, UM, CONSISTENT WITH THE GENERAL PLAN, WHICH IS ONE OF THE LEGAL FINDINGS.
SO THAT'S WHERE WE WOULD LOOK TO THE, UM, STAFF REPORT AND THE LEGAL FINDINGS ON, UM, DOES THE DESIGN AND DEVELOPMENT OF THE PHYSICAL LAND MEET THOSE LAND USE REGULATIONS AND REQUIREMENTS? UM, AGAIN, THERE ARE SOME TYPE OF PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVALS LIKE FOR A USE PERMIT WHERE YOU WOULD MAYBE GET A LITTLE BIT MORE INTO THE OPERATIONS.
YOU'VE HEARD A BIT OF WHY THERE'S SOME JURISDICTIONAL RESTRICTIONS ON THAT IN THIS LOCATION.
UH, AND AGAIN, THAT THE USE ITSELF IS ALLOWED BY RIGHT, MEANING THAT THE USE ITSELF IS NOT A DISCRETIONARY QUESTION, IT'S THE DESIGN REVIEW OF THE DEVELOPMENT.
AND JUST TO, FOR, FROM A DEVIL'S ADVOCATE PERSPECTIVE, THE USE VERSUS ABUSE, UM, WHAT IS TO STOP A, A POTENTIAL TENANT FROM DOING 100 FLIGHTS A DAY OR 200 FLIGHTS A DAY, UH, OUT OF THIS CHARTER OPERATION? THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AIR TRAFFIC CONTROL, THE AIRPORT LAYOUT PLAN, THE ADMINISTRATION OF THE AIRPORT'S NOISE CONTROL ORDINANCE AND OTHER REGULATIONS, BUT NOTHING THAT'S IN FRONT OF THIS COMMISSION.
SO WHAT'S IN FRONT OF THIS COMMISSION IS THE CONSTRUCTION OF AN AIRCRAFT HANGAR AND ITS DESIGN AND WHETHER IT IS CONSISTENT WITH ALL OF THE APPLICABLE ZONING REGULATIONS.
THAT IS THE QUESTION IN FRONT OF THIS COMMISSION.
I UNDERSTAND THE FRUSTRATION AND THE DESIRE BY YOU AS A COMMISSIONER TO REACH INTO THE AIRPORT OPERATIONS AND CONTROL THE AIRPORT OPERATIONS, BUT JUST - THAT'S NOT AT ALL WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO, CHRISTOPHER, BUT GO AHEAD.
THAT, WHAT IS IN FRONT OF YOU IS THE CONSTRUCTION OF THIS HANGAR AND CONTROLLING HOW THIS HANGAR INTERACTS WITH AIRPORT OPERATIONS THAT WE'RE PREEMPTED ON IS NOT, IS NOT WITHIN WHAT WE'RE HERE TO DO.
UM, JUST TO CLARIFY, BECAUSE I THINK THAT WAS MISCHARACTERIZATION.
MY, MY, MY CONCERN IS THE, THE OPAQUENESS OF THIS AND BECAUSE, AND I THINK THE COMMUNITY DOES HAVE A RIGHT TO, UH, BE INFORMED OF THIS, ESPECIALLY AS IT RELATES TO, TO THE EXPANSION, UM, THAT, UH, NOT TO, TO BRING A BOOGEYMAN TO THIS, BUT THERE'S, IF THERE IS THAT POTENTIALITY, AND I DID HAVE THAT QUESTION, WHAT IS, WHAT ARE THE CONTROLS IN PLACE TO PROHIBIT OR AT LEAST, UM, GIVE THE COMMUNITY AN OPPORTUNITY TO OBJECT WHEN SOMEONE IS GO - DOING 100 FLIGHTS A DAY OUT OF THERE? AND AGAIN, I'M JUST EXAGGERATING FOR A FACT, BUT THAT IS, UH, ONE OF THE FEAR FACTORS.
I UNDERSTAND THE, THE COMMENT.
I, THIS, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS PROJECT JUST IN COMPARISON TO THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED PROJECT, IT SEEMS LIKE A VERY LARGE INCREASE, BUT IT'S PART OF THE GLOBEMASTER SPECIFIC PLAN, WHICH INVOLVES MORE THAN SEVEN MILLION SQUARE FEET OF DEVELOPMENT.
SO GOING FROM, YOU KNOW - 30,000 SQUARE FOOT INCREASE, BASICALLY.
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IS IN, COMPLETELY INSIGNIFICANT AS TO THE TOTAL.UM, SO, YOU KNOW, WE CAN ASK THE APPLICANT TO COME FORWARD.
I DON'T KNOW IF THEY WANNA PROVIDE SOME MORE INFORMATION OR YOU WANT US TO COME BACK, BUT I AM TELLING YOU, EVEN IF WE COME BACK, OUR USE THAT'S COMPLETELY BY RIGHT, WE'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO COMPEL THEM TO DESCRIBE AND COMMIT TO ON A SPEC PROJECT EXACTLY HOW MANY OPERATIONS OCCUR.
SO I WOULD COMPARE IT, PRETEND WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT LONG BEACH AIRPORT.
PRETEND WE'RE UP IN SAN JOSE AND SAN JOSE IS GONNA BUILD A NEW CORPORATE JET, UM, TERMINAL, AND IT WAS GONNA BE USED BY GOOGLE, BUT NOW IT'S GONNA BE USED BY INTEL.
INTEL FLIES THEIR EMPLOYEES TO SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT PLACES.
NOW THERE'S MORE FLIGHTS OR LESS FLIGHTS.
IT, THAT'S NOT WITHIN LAND USE CONTROL.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE WE FIND OURSELVES.
BUT I'M GONNA INVITE THE APPLICANT TO COME BACK, UM, TO THE MICROPHONE, MAYBE TELL YOU A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT HOW THESE CORPORATE JET OPERATIONS, UM, TYPICALLY WORK AND SORT OF THE PARAMETERS, UM, THAT THEY DISCUSSED PREVIOUSLY.
YOU, YOU SAW THE, THE FEEDBACK THAT THE AUDIENCE, UM, MEMBERS HAD.
SO THERE'S OBVIOUSLY CONCERN AROUND IT.
THE, THE, I WOULD AR - I WOULD ARGUE THE SLIPPERY SLOPE COMMENT.
SO WHAT WOULD YOU, YOUR RESPONSE BE? YEP.
UH, SO FIRSTLY, I, AND SO I AGREE WITH MUCH OF WHAT STAFF HAS SAID HERE IS THAT, UM.
I AGREE WITH WHAT MUCH OF STAFF HAS SAID HERE IS THAT THE LEASE, UH, WAS NEGOTIATED, UH, I CAN'T KNOW HOW MANY YEARS AGO, THREE OR SO YEARS AGO, AND DOES HAVE PERMITTED USES WITHIN THAT LEASE THAT GOVERN THE USE OF THE SITE.
UM, WE ARE REQUIRED TO COMPLY WITH THE RULES AND REGULATIONS OF THE AIRPORT, THE MINIMUM STANDARDS OF THE AIRPORT, THE, THE NOISE ORDINANCE.
UM, AND I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S A WAY TO GOVERN THE AMOUNT OF FLIGHTS.
I CAN'T GET UP HERE AND TELL YOU THAT THERE'S GONNA BE 200 FLIGHTS TOMORROW AND ONE FLIGHT THE NEXT DAY AND 20 THE DAY AFTER THAT.
I, I DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO SAY THAT.
UH, ALL I CAN SAY IS THAT THIS IS A PRIVATE BUSINESS OPERATION THAT DOES HAVE THE RIGHT TO OPERATE AT THIS FACILITY WITHIN THE PERMITTED USES OF THE SITE.
AND I THINK THAT THE, THE BUSINESS TRAFFIC VARIES, BUT I DON'T HAVE A WAY OR THE ABILITY BECAUSE OUR LEASE DOES GRANT US THOSE PERMITTED USES, I CAN'T SAY HOW MANY NUMBERS THOSE WILL BE TOMORROW OR TWO WEEKS FROM NOW OR TWO YEARS FROM NOW.
ALL I CAN SIT UP HERE AND SAY IS THAT WE WILL OPERATE WITHIN THE USES THAT WE ARE PERMITTED WITHIN THE LAND USE AND WITHIN THE RIGHTS OF OUR LEASE.
AND THEN THERE IS ONE OTHER POINT THAT I DID WANNA CLARIFY THAT I HEARD IN THE PUBLIC COMMENT, WHICH WAS ON OUR WEBSITE THAT DOES NEED TO BE UPDATED, BUT THAT WAS PRIOR TO US HAVING THE SINGLE TENANT ON THE SITE BEFORE THEY WERE, UM, UNDER THE CONSENTED SUBLEASE AGREEMENT THAT THEY ARE NOW.
SO JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT ONE POINT.
HOPE THAT ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION.
WE'LL GO AHEAD AND, UH, END THE HEARING AT THIS POINT.
AND, UH, LET ME MAKE SURE I GOT MY NOTES TOGETHER HERE.
DOES IT LOOK LIKE THE, UH, THE - OKAY.
UH, I CAN TAKE VERBALS FOR THOSE.
UM, COMMISSIONER CHAMBERS? YES.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH EVERYONE FOR COMING.
[4. 26-56604 Recommendation to receive and file a presentation on Code Enforcement Bureau services and programs as background for a presentation on the Planning Commission’s newly assigned responsibilities for building and code appeals hearings, which were formerly heard by the Board of Examiners, Appeals and Condemnation. (Citywide) Suggested Action: Approve recommendation. ]
IS A RECOMMENDATION TO RECEIVE AND FILE A PRESENTATION ON CODE ENFORCEMENT BUREAU SERVICES AND PROGRAMS AS BACKGROUND FOR A PRESENTATION ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S NEWLY ASSIGNED RESPONSIBILITIES FOR BUILDING AND CODE APPEALS HEARINGS, WHICH WERE FORMALLY HEARD BY THE BOARD OF EXAMINERS, APPEALS AND CONDEMNATION CITYWIDE.UH, CAN I GET A MAKER IN A SECONDCOMMISSIONER TEMPLE AND COMMISSIONER LIS.
THANK YOU, CHAIR AND COMMISSIONERS.
AS YOU'VE BEEN BRIEFED ON, UM, UH, IN THE PAST COUPLE MEETINGS, THE CITY COUNCIL HAS TAKEN ACTION EARLIER THIS YEAR TO DISSOLVE, UH, THE FORMER BIAC
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COMMISSION AND TO FORWARD THE, UM, THE SMALL NUMBER OF APPEALS HEARINGS THAT THEY HEARD PREVIOUSLY TO OUR PLANNING COMMISSION.SO I'M EXCITED TO INTRODUCE DEPUTY CITY ATTORNEY NICK MACERO, WHO'S GONNA WALK YOU THROUGH THAT, UH, CODE CHANGE AND SORT OF THE, THE LEGAL COMPONENT OF IT, UH, FOLLOWED BY A PRESENTATION FROM OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT TEAM, UH, MANAGEMENT TEAM WHO ARE GONNA JUST TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT WHAT THEY DO DAY TO DAY, UH, SO YOU HAVE A BETTER SENSE OF THAT BEFORE ANY, UH, APPEAL HEARING MAY COME BEFORE YOU.
WE'RE ACTUALLY GONNA LET ANGEL GO FIRST AND TELL YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT CODE ENFORCEMENT DOES, AND THEN I WILL GO IN FOR YOU GUYS AND HELP EXPLAIN, UH, THE NEW TASKS THAT, THAT ARE BEFORE YOU.
IT'S A PLEASURE TO FINALLY HAVE ANOTHER BOARD HERE SO YOU CAN, UH, WORK WITH YOU FOLKS HERE AND LOOKING FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU ALL.
UM, EXCITED ABOUT THIS OPPORTUNITY FOR US IN THE FUTURE.
UH, AND LIKE NICK MENTIONED AND ALLISON, UH, I JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU AN OVERVIEW.
WHAT DO WE DO AS CODE ENFORCEMENT? SO NOT A LOT OF FOLKS TEND TO KNOW WHAT WE DO.
THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT WE GET INVOLVED WITH, AND I JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU AN OVERVIEW SO YOU'RE WELL INFORMED, UM, AND EDUCATED WHEN WE COME AND MEET WITH YOU SO YOU KNOW A LITTLE BIT MORE ON THE BACKGROUND AS TO WHAT WE DID ALREADY.
UH, AND THEN NICK'S GONNA GO INTO SOME DETAILS ON HOW YOU ENGAGE AND YOUR AUTHORITIES AND SO FORTH.
UH, SO I'LL GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED.
UH, BEFORE I, I, I PROCEED, I ALSO WANTED TO INTRODUCE TWO ADDITIONAL STAFF MEMBERS THAT YOU MIGHT DEAL WITH.
HE'S OUR, UM, OFFICER FOR OUR DIVISION THAT DOES SPECIAL PROGRAMS AND MULTI, UH, HOUSING INSPECTIONS.
AND I HAVE, UM, JERRY TUCKER, HE'S OUR, UM, CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER THAT OVERSEES REGULAR CODE ENFORCEMENT.
SO YOU MIGHT DEAL WITH, UH, THOSE GENTLEMEN AS WELL BESIDES MYSELF.
UH, SO THE QUICK QUESTION IS, WHAT IS, WHAT IS CODE ENFORCEMENT? SO, UH, WE UPHOLD STATE AND LOCAL REGULATIONS, UH, BY ADDRESSING CODE VIOLATIONS AFFECTING SAFETY AND COMMUNITY WELLBEING.
SO YOU'LL, YOU'LL HEAR THOSE TERMS REPEATEDLY, SAFETY AND COMMUNITY WELLBEING.
UM, SO WE'RE COMMITTING, COMMITTED TO IMPROVING THE QUALITY OF LIFE FOR OUR NEIGHBORHOODS, COMMERCIAL CORRIDORS, AND INDUSTRIAL AREAS.
AND IN THE FUTURE SLIDES, I'LL GO OVER SOME DETAILS BECAUSE OUR MAIN PRIMARY FOCUS AREA IS GONNA BE RESIDENTIAL, UH, ALTHOUGH WE DO, UH, FROM TIME TO TIME ENGAGE WITH COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL LOCATIONS.
AND HOW DO WE DO THAT? UH, WE ENFORCE THE MUNICIPAL CODES, THE BUILDING AND ZONING LAWS, PROPERTY MAINTENANCE STANDARDS, AND THE CALIFORNIA HEALTH AND SAFETY CODES.
AND THAT'S WHERE I MENTIONED ABOUT THE SAFETY PORTION IS REALLY BIG ON WHAT WE DO.
AND, UH, ONE OF OUR MAIN APPROACHES, UM, IS WE DON'T, WE DON'T SHOW UP AND, UH, TRY TO HAMMER ANYONE.
THE FIRST THING WE TRY TO DO IS MAKE SURE WE EDUCATE, UM, THE RESPONSIBLE PARTIES.
IT CAN BE A PROPERTY MANAGER, A PROPERTY OWNER, UM, CAN BE A FAMILY MEMBER THAT'S OVERSEEING THE PROPERTY.
SO, UH, THAT'S OUR FIRST APPROACH TO MAKE SURE THAT WE EDUCATE THE RESPONSIBLE PARTY ON WHAT THEY NEED TO DO AND HOW TO COMPLY.
AND SO WE MAKE EVERY EFFORT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DO THAT, TO MAKE SURE THEY GIVE THEM EVERY OPPORTUNITY TO COMPLY VOLUNTARILY.
AS I MENTIONED, UH, A JERRY OVERSEES THE STANDARD CODE ENFORCEMENT.
UH, THE MAJORITY OF WHAT WE DO IS REACTIVE.
THAT MEANS THAT EVERY TIME WE RESPOND TO A LOCATION, PRETTY MUCH 99% OF THE TIME IS BECAUSE SOMEBODY COMPLAINED.
SOMEBODY FILED A COMPLAINT BY CALLING US.
THEY SUBMITTED A COMPLAINT ONLINE, UH, SAYING THAT THEY WERE CONCERNED ABOUT THE CONDITIONS ON THE PROPERTY OR THERE WAS SOME ACTIVITY OCCURRING THAT SHOULDN'T BE OCCURRING.
UM, AND SO WHEN WE RESPOND, UH, WE GET MANY COMPLAINTS COME IN DAILY, SO WE HAVE TO PRIORITIZE THEM JUST LIKE LAW ENFORCEMENT DOES.
SO WE RESPOND TO THE MORE DANGEROUS CONDITIONS IN SOME CASES.
UH, SO IT'S A LIFE AND SAFETY AS A PRIORITY.
SO WE MIGHT HAVE A CONVERTED GARAGE, WE MIGHT HAVE A SEWAGE SPILL, UH, WE MIGHT HAVE A STRUCTURE FIRE, UH, VEHICLE COLLISION WITH THE STRUCTURE.
SO FIRE DEPARTMENT WILL CALL US OUT OR BUILDING AND SAFETY STAFF WILL CALL US OUT WHEN THEIR RED TAG IS STRUCTURED, AND I'LL GO INTO MORE DETAILS LATER ON THAT.
UH, BUT WE DO RESPOND TO EMERGENT SITUATIONS AS WELL.
SO WE'RE GONNA OBVIOUSLY PAY MORE ATTENTION TO THOSE SITUATIONS, AND THEY DO TAKE QUITE A BIT OF OUR STAFF TIME.
SO IN THAT MEANTIME, WHILE WE'RE ADDRESSING THAT ISSUE, OTHER REQUESTS ARE ON HOLD UNTIL WE CAN CLEAR THAT LOCATION JUST BECAUSE OF THE HAZARDS, UH, THAT ARE, UM, AROUND FOR THE COMMUNITY AND, AND NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES.
UH, ONE OF THE MAIN THINGS THAT WE DO IS WE DO TEAM INSPECTIONS, UH, JOINT INSPECTIONS.
WE WORK VERY CLOSELY WITH OTHER DEPARTMENTS, LIKE OUR FIRE, UH, DEPARTMENT.
SO THEY CALL US OUT QUITE OFTEN WHEN THERE'S ISSUES AT CERTAIN PROPERTIES.
SO THEY HAVE AUTHORITIES TO TAKE ACTION FOR CERTAIN THINGS, AND THEN BUILDING AND SAFETY HAS AUTHORITY FOR CERTAIN THINGS, BUT WE HANDLE THE PORTIONS THAT THEY CANNOT.
UH, WE WORK VERY CLOSELY P - WITH POLICE BECAUSE SOMETIMES THESE LOCATIONS THAT WE GO TO, UH, ON TOP OF THE VIOLATIONS THAT WE ADDRESS, THERE'S ALSO CRIMINAL ACTIVITY, AND SOME OF THOSE CRIMINAL ACTIVITIES ARE BEHAVIORS
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THAT PD, UH, CALLS US OUT FOR BECAUSE THEY'RE, THEY'RE THE ONES THAT OVERSEE THAT, BUT WE ENFORCE THE NUISANCE PORTION OF IT.AND SO WE'RE, WE'RE PULLED INTO THAT SITUATION AS WELL.
WE WORK VERY CLOSELY WITH HEALTH DEPARTMENT, AND SO FROM TIME TO TIME, WE'LL RESPOND TO A RESTAURANT OR A, UH, HOME WHERE THERE'S ACTIVITIES ONGOING, SO MAKE SURE THAT WE LOOK AT, UH, IF THE PROPERTY HAS BEEN ALTERED WITHOUT PERMITS OR IF IT'S A SAFE CONDITION OR NOT.
WE WORK CLOSELY WITH OUR BUSINESS LICENSE, UM, TEAM AS WELL ON BUSINESSES.
LIKE I MENTIONED, WE DO, UH, COMMERCIAL PROPERTY INSPECTIONS AS WELL, BUT WE HANDLE THE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE PORTION OF IT OR IF THEY'VE DONE ANYTHING THAT'S UNSAFE OR, UH, WITH WORK WITHOUT PERMITS.
AND LEASE BUT NOT, UH, LEASE IS OUR PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT.
WE ALSO WORK CLOSELY WITH THEM BECAUSE, UH, YOU MIGHT HAVE A SITUATION WHERE THERE'S ILLEGAL DUMPING, BUT IT INCORPORATES BOTH THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY AND PRIVATE PROPERTIES.
SO WE WORK VERY CLOSELY FOR THEM TO HANDLE THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY, AND THEN WE COORDINATE FOR US, OUR STAFF TO HANDLE THE PRIVATE PROPERTY, SO REACH OUT TO THE OWNER TO GET THAT CLEANED UP.
UH, WE'RE DIVIDED INTO THREE AREAS.
SO WE HAVE OUR NORTH, WEST, AND SOUTH, UH, EAST AREAS.
UH, WE HAVE COMMERCIAL, RESIDENTIAL.
UH, THOSE ARE PROPERTIES WITH ONE TO THREE UNITS, AND THAT'S WHAT OUR NORMAL CODE ENFORCEMENT HANDLES.
AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, I, I JUST WANNA HIGHLIGHT THIS, IS WE DEAL PRIMARILY WITH PRIVATE PROPERTY.
SO OFTENTIMES, SOMEBODY WILL SUBMIT A COMPLAINT AND, UH, IT'S OKAY, WE'LL TAKE IT AND WE'LL REROUTE IT TO THE, UH, RESPONSIBLE PARTIES LIKE PUBLIC WORKS, FOR EXAMPLE.
UH, SOMETIMES THEY'LL GET, UH, COMPLAINTS FOR PRIVATE PROPERTY, THEY'LL SEND IT TO US.
SO WE DO HAVE OPEN COMMUNICATION VERY CLOSELY WITH THEM TO MAKE SURE THAT, UH, THAT COMPLAINT GOES TO THE RIGHT PARTY.
SO WHAT ARE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE GET CALLED ON FOR, OR WHAT DO WE HANDLE? AND THESE ARE THE, THIS IS WHERE OUR MEAT AND BUTTER IS.
AND SO WE DEAL QUITE OFTEN WITH UNPERMITTED ALTERATIONS TO A DWELLING, UH, STRUCTURAL WITHOUT PERMITS.
WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? THAT MEANS THAT SOMEBODY MIGHT HAVE ADDED SQUARE FOOTAGE TO THEIR PROPERTY WITHOUT PERMITS, UM, UNPERMITTED INTERIOR ALTERATIONS, THEY MIGHT HAVE REMOVED A, A WALL THAT'S LOAD BEARING, AND SO THAT'S A SAFETY CONCERN.
UM, PROFESSIONALLY, ONE OF MY MAIN CONCERNS, UH, AND FOR MOST OF MY STAFF IS WHEN, UH, ELECTRICAL, UH, WORK IS DONE WITHOUT PERMITS, BECAUSE A LOT OF TIMES THE PERSON DOING THE WORK MIGHT GO THE CHEAPEST ROUTE AND GET THE INCORRECT WIRING.
AND SO WITH THE LOAD BEING PULLED ON THAT, SOMETIMES THAT LEADS TO A STRUCTURE FIRE.
SO THAT'S ONE OF OUR MAIN CONCERNS ALONG WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT STAFF.
UM, PLUMBING, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, ALSO CAN RESULT IN HAZARDOUS CONDITIONS BECAUSE YOU MIGHT HAVE GASSES THAT ARE VENTING BACK INTO THE PROPERTY.
AND THEN MECHANICAL, OBVIOUSLY, UH, THAT, THAT HAPPENS FROM TIME TO TIME, BUT NOT AS OFTEN AS THE ELECTRICAL.
UH, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE PRIORITIZE IS WHEN THERE'S A UNIT, FOR EXAMPLE, LIKE AN APARTMENT THAT DOESN'T HAVE, UH, HOT WATER, UM, OR NO RUNNING WATER, SO WE'LL RESPOND QUICKLY TO THOSE TO ADDRESS THE ISSUE, UH, WORK WITH, WORKING WITH THE OWNER, SOMETIMES OUR PARTNERS IN OTHER DEPARTMENTS, LIKE UTILITIES AND WHATNOT TO CONFIRM WHAT ARE, WHAT'S GOING ON THAT, THAT, THAT'S NOT HAPPENING, SO.
UH, GARAGE CONVERSIONS WITHOUT PERMITS IS ANOTHER CONCERN, AGAIN, BECAUSE THERE'S MULTIPLE ARRAY OF, OF ALTERATIONS THAT ARE DONE.
UH, FOR EXAMPLE, IF WE HAVE A, A BEDROOM WITH NO WINDOWS, THAT'S A EXTREME HAZARD BECAUSE IF THERE'S A FIRE, A LOT OF TIMES THE, THE WALLS ARE NOT RATED FOR THE FIRE RATING REQUIREMENTS FOR, FOR THE PLACE TO BE HABITA - HIDABLE.
AND SO THAT CONCERNS US, AND SO WE HAVE TO SOMETIMES POST A NOTICE TO VACATE TO GET THOSE FOLKS OUT BECAUSE YOU'VE HEARD, YOU HEAR THE NEWS FROM TIME TO TIME EVERY YEAR FROM DIFFERENT CITIES THAT A FAMILY DIED BECAUSE THEY WERE LIVING IN AN UNPERMITTED UNIT OR A CONVERTED GARAGE, AND THAT'S EVEN ACTUALLY HAPPENED HERE IN OUR PAST HERE IN LONG BEACH.
SO OUR MAIN EFFORT IS TO TRY TO MITIGATE THOSE SITUATIONS FROM OCCURRING.
SO, UM, ONE THING THAT I MENTIONED IS, IS WORKING WITH OUR HEALTH DEPARTMENT.
SO WHEN THAT DOES HAPPEN AND WE HAVE TO REMOVE SOMEBODY, I JUST WANNA HIGHLIGHT THAT WE DO OUR BEST TO WORK WITH OUR OUTREACH TEAMS FROM THE QUALITY OF LIFE TEAM AND THE HOMELESS OUTREACH FOLKS.
THEY'LL COME OUT BEFORE WE POST A NOTICE TO TRY TO COORDINATE SERVICES AND SOMETIMES GET THOSE FOLKS REHOUSED, UH, TEMPORARILY TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T PUSH THEM ONTO THE STREETS.
SO WE TRY EVERY WAY POSSIBLE TO DO THAT WHEN THE OWNERS FAIL TO RELOCATE THE TENANTS.
SO MOST OF THE TIME, THE OWNERS SOMETIMES RELOCATE THEM, UH, BUT ON OCCASION WHEN THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN, WE TRY OUR BEST TO GO ABOVE AND BEYOND TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE FOLKS ARE TAKEN CARE OF.
UM, I MENTIONED THE OTHER THINGS THAT WE, THAT WE DEAL WITH QUITE OFTEN IS OUTSIDE STORAGE, JUNK AND DEBRIS, TRASH IN THE FRONT, SIDE YARDS, THAT'S VISIBLE FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT AWAY.
MOST OF OUR CALLS ARE FOR THAT BECAUSE NEIGHBORS DON'T WANNA SEE THEIR NEIGHBORING PROPERTY THAT'S DIMINISHING AND, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE GUESTS OVER, YOU DON'T WANNA, YOU KINDA, MOST, MOST OF OUR F- FOLKS ARE EMBARRASSED TO, TO BRING THEIR GUESTS OVER BECAUSE THEIR NEIGHBORS ARE NOT, YOU KNOW, KEEPING UP THEIR PROPERTY.
UH, OVERGROWN VEGETATION'S ANOTHER POPULAR ONE THAT WE GET.
SO, UM, ON THAT ONE, WE CAN DO A LITTLE BIT BETTER.
UH, SOMETIMES IF THE OWNERS DON'T RESPOND, UH, WE DO HAVE WHAT WE CALL WEED ABATEMENT, SO WE CAN GO NOTIFY THE OWNER TO CLEAN IT UP WITHIN A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME.
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DON'T, THEN WE HAVE THE OPTION AND AUTHORITY TO CLEAN IT UP FOR THEM, AND THEN WE BILL THEM.BUT THAT REQUIRES US NOT JUST TO GO ONTO THE PROPERTIES, SO WE ALSO HAVE TO GO TO COURT TO GET AN ABATEMENT ORDER, UH, APPROVAL FROM THE COURT TO LEGALLY ENTER THE PROPERTY TO TAKE ACTION.
SO WE DON'T JUST SHOW UP AND, UH, AND DO WHAT WE WANT.
UM, UH, FROM TIME TO TIME, WE, WE GET ILLEGALLY PARKED VEHICLES ON PRIVATE PROPERTY.
WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? UH, BECAUSE SOMETIMES PEOPLE CONFUSE US WITH PUBLIC WORKS PARKING ENFORCEMENT.
THEY DO ENFORCEMENT ON PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAYS AND STREETS.
WE DO PARKING ENFORCEMENT ON PRIVATE PROPERTY.
SO THAT MEANS IF YOUR NEIGHBOR'S PARKING ON THE FRONT LAWN, IF THEY'RE BLOCKING THE SIDEWALK, WE HAVE AUTHORITY TO, AND LIMITED AUTHORITY TO ENFORCE THOSE PARTICULAR SITUATIONS.
SO WE DO, AND FROM TIME TO TIME ISSUE PARKING CITATIONS FOR FOLKS DOING THAT BECAUSE, AGAIN, YOUR FRONT YARD'S NOT MEANT TO BE A PARKING, UH, SPOT.
AND SO THAT'LL DIMINISH, AGAIN, THE PROPERTY VALUE.
SOMETIMES PEOPLE HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THAT.
OR LEAVING A JUNK CAR IN, IN FRONT, IN FRONT LAWN DOESN'T LOOK RIGHT.
UH, WE DEAL WITH PESTS AND VERMIN INFESTATIONS THAT CAN BE ROACHES, RATS, INSECTS, UH, WILDLIFE SOMETIMES, DEPENDING ON THE CONDITIONS ON THE PROPERTY.
OVERFLOWING TRASH CONTAINERS AND DUMPSTERS, AND THEN UNPERMITTED SIGNAGE AND ILLEGAL SIGNAGE.
UH, OVERFLOWING TRASH CONTAINERS ARE DUMPSTERS FOR COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES.
THOSE ARE GONNA BE YOUR RESTAURANTS, UH, SOMETIMES APARTMENT BUILDINGS AND THE ALLEYWAYS.
SO, UH, SOMETIMES, UNFORTUNATELY, IT'S NOT THE PROPERTY OWNERS OR THE TENANTS.
SOMETIMES SOMEONE RANDOMLY JUST SHOWS UP AND DUMPS, AND THOSE ARE TOUGH SITUATIONS TO DEAL WITH.
SO WE WORK CLOSELY WITH OUR, OUR PUBLIC WORKS CLEAN TEAM TO COME AND PICK THOSE ITEMS UP.
WE EDUCATE THE RESIDENTS AND THE PROPERTY OWNERS OR MANAGERS ON CALLING IN BULKY ITEMS SO THE, SO OUR PUBLIC WORKS, UH, OR REFUSE FOLKS CAN COME AND PICK UP THOSE ITEMS. UH, WE DEAL WITH UNPERMITTED SIGNS AND BANNERS, SO WE WORK CLOSELY WITH OUR PLANNING FOLKS HERE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE EDUCATE THE, THE STORE OWNERS, THE BUSINESS OWNERS TO COMING IN AND TALKING TO A PLANNER ABOUT GETTING THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS OR SIGNED PERMITS TO GET THAT LEGALIZED.
UH, ILLEGAL WINDOW COVERAGE, SO SOMETIMES BUSINESSES WANNA COVER UP BECAUSE OF PRIVACY, BUT, UH, IN ACTUALITY, IT'S A CONCERN FOR US FOR SAFETY AND ALSO FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT BECAUSE IF YOU CAN'T SEE IN, THAT MEANS YOU CAN'T SEE OUT EITHER.
SO IT JUST SETS UP THE SITUATION FOR POSSIBLE ROBBERY AND THAT KIND OF ACTIVITY LIKE THAT.
SO WE EDUCATE THE FOLKS ABOUT, "HEY, YOU MIGHT NOT WANNA COVER UP FOR A REASON.
IT'S, UH, WE WANNA MAKE SURE PEOPLE CAN SEE IN AND OUT JUST FOR SAFETY, BUT ALSO, UH, JUST IT LOOKS BETTER, RIGHT? SO, UH, OVERFLOWING DUMPSTERS THAT I MENTIONED BEFORE, UH, WE WORK CLOSELY WITH FIRE BECAUSE WE ALSO HELP THEM ENFORCE THE EGRESS, UH, REQUIREMENTS FOR FIRE EXITING.
UH, SOMETIMES WHEN BUSINESSES MAKE MODIFICATIONS WITHOUT PERMITS, THEY TEND TO BLOCK, UH, DOORWAYS OR EXITS THAT ARE REQUIRED BY LAW FOR SAFETY.
SO WE WORK VERY CLOSELY WITH OUR FIRE, UH, UH, UH, FOLKS ON THAT.
UH, ZONING VIOLATIONS, ILLEGAL CONVERSIONS, COMMERCIAL USE OR RESIDENTIAL USE, SOME PERMITTED, UH, BUSINESS TYPES.
SO AGAIN, WE WORK CLOSELY WITH BUSINESS LICENSING AND OUR PLANNING FOLKS TO GET, MAKE SURE THAT THEY CAN GET IN TOUCH WITH THE OWNERS, BUSINESS OWNERS, PROPERTY OWNERS, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GET THOSE USES LEGALIZED.
JUST WANNA GO OVER A LITTLE BIT OF, ON OUR PROGRAMS HERE.
SO AS I MENTIONED, SCOTT, HE DEALS WITH OUR SPECIAL PROGRAMS. UH, THESE ARE A FEW OF OUR MOST BUSIEST PROGRAMS THAT WE HAVE.
AND SO WE HAVE THE PROACTIVE RENTAL HOUSING INSPECTION PROGRAM.
UH, THIS IS A PROACTIVE PROGRAM WHERE WE SCHEDULE APPOINTMENTS, UH, WITH VARIOUS PROPERTIES THROUGHOUT THE YEAR, AND WE WORK WITH THE OWNERS, MANAGERS, AND TENANTS TO DO INSPECTIONS.
UH, WE DO REQUIRE TO DO A 10% MINIMUM INSPECTION.
SO IF THERE'S 100 UNITS AT A LOCATION, WE AT THE MINIMUM INSPECT 10 UNITS.
SO IF WE FIND VIOLATIONS AT THE LOCATION, WE'LL KEEP NO - DOOR KNOCKING UNTIL WE FEEL LIKE WE'VE COVERED THE MAJORITY OF THE UNITS.
SO SOMETIMES THERE ARE OCCASIONS WHERE WE'VE DONE 100% INSPECTIONS JUST BECAUSE WE KEEP FINDING VIOLATIONS.
AND SO THE REASONING FOR THIS PROGRAM, IT WAS, IT WAS PASSED BACK IN 2016, AND IT WAS TO MAINTAIN OUR HOUSING STOCK.
AS YOU KNOW AND WELL AWARE, UH, SINCE YOU SEE THE, A LOT OF THE PLANNING PROJECTS COME THROUGH, THERE'S A HOUSING SHORTAGE IN THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA.
AND SO OUR PART, WE DO OUR BEST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE MAINTAIN OUR CURRENT HOUSING STOCK.
SO WE WORK WITH THE OWNERS TO EDUCATE THEM.
AND ON, ON OCCASION, WE HAVE TO ENFORCE TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE MAINTAINING THOSE PROPERTIES, THAT THEY'RE PULLING THE APPROPRIATE PERMITS TO GET WHATEVER ACTIVITIES THAT THEY'RE DOING LEGALIZED.
UH, SO YOU'RE PROBABLY WONDERING HOW MANY OF THIS ACTIVITIES DO YOU HAVE? SO WE NORMALLY DO ABOUT, UH, 1800 PROPERTY INSPECTIONS ANNUALLY.
AND OVERALL IN THE CITY, WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OVER 7,000 PROPERTIES WITH ABOUT 70,000 UNITS THAT WE DO.
SO, UH, DEPENDING ON THE STAFF, UH, THAT WE HAVE, WE DO A LITTLE BIT OR MORE OR LESS WITH THAT.
SO, UH, WE ALSO RESPOND TO, UH, COMPLAINTS, SO IT'S NOT JUST A PROACTIVE APPROACH.
IT'S ALSO SAY, UH, WE DID AN INSPECTION AND SOMEBODY WASN'T AVAILABLE.
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CAN STILL ALWAYS CALL US AT ANY TIME AND WE'LL GO BACK AND DO A FOLLOW-UP INSPECTION TO ADDRESS ANY CONCERNS THEY HAVE.WE ALSO HAVE THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL PROGRAM.
UM, AND, AND SO WE TYPICALLY HAVE AROUND A THOUSAND STRS.
AND I SAY TYPICALLY BECAUSE THEY, THEY GO UP AND DOWN.
THE NUMBERS NEVER REALLY STABLE.
WE HAVE NEW, UM, HOMEOWNERS THAT ARE COMING IN AND OWN - HOMEOWNERS THAT ARE GETTING OUT OF THE PROGRAM, SO IT FLUCTUATES SLIGHTLY, BUT IT'S AROUND A THOUSAND ON AVERAGE THAT WE HAVE THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
UH, WE HAVE THE VACANT LOT MONITORING PROGRAM, SO THAT ANY VACANT LOT IN THE CITY THAT WE BECOME AWARE OF OR CONFIRM, OUR STAFF INSPECTS THAT AND MONITORS THAT MONTHLY.
AND WE WORK WITH THE PROPERTY OWNERS TO MAINTAIN THOSE PROPERTIES.
A LOT OF TIMES, TYPICALLY, YOU'LL SEE GRAFFITI, DUMPING, AND SO WE TRY TO WORK WITH THE OWNERS, OUR, OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT TO GET THEM ENROLLED INTO THE NO TRESPASSING PROGRAM TO PREVENT, UM, YOU KNOW, SQUATTING BY, BY INDIVIDUALS SETTING UP HOMELESS ENCAMPMENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO AGAIN, THOSE ARE HAPPENING VERY QUICKLY, SO SOMETIMES WE'RE, WE'RE RESPONDING AND REACTING TO SOMETHING THAT'S ALREADY HAPPENED.
AND, BUT WE WORK CLOSELY WITH THE OWNERS AND OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT TO ADDRESS THAT.
WE ALSO WORK WITH THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT TO DO, AGAIN, OUTREACH TO FOLKS THAT ARE INVOLVED THAT ARE UNHOUSED.
UM, SO CURRENTLY WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OVER 150 LOTS THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
UM, AND AGAIN, I MENTIONED PARTNERSHIP.
WE'RE VERY HEAVY ON WORKING WITH OUR PARTNERS.
SO WE ALSO COORDINATE WITH OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND OPPORTUNITY DEPARTMENT, UH, WITH THEIR BUSINESS, UM, PORTION OF, OF THEIR, THEIR OPERATIONS.
AND SO, UH, ANNUALLY, WE DO INSPECTIONS OF ALL OUR CORRIDORS.
AND THE FIRST YEAR WE DID IT, WE FOUND ABOUT, UH, 472 VACANT STORE UNITS, UH, STOREFRONTS AND VACANT BUILDINGS.
UH, WE REPORTED IT TO THEIR, UH, VACANCY TO VIBRANCY PROGRAM.
IT HAS A MAP AND IT'S DESIGNED FOR ANY PROSPECTIVE PROPERTY OWNERS, BUSINESS OWNERS THAT WANNA MOVE INTO LONG BEACH, AND IT HELPS THEM FIND WHERE, WHAT LOCATION THEY MIGHT BE INTERESTED IN OPENING A BUSINESS.
AND SO THIS PAST YEAR, WE FOUND 152.
SO IT WENT DOWN VERY SIGNIFICANTLY.
SO WE'RE HOPING THAT IT WAS BECAUSE PEOPLE WERE MOVING AND SETTING UP BUSINESSES IN LONG BEACH.
AND SO WE ALSO ADVERTISE THEIR SERVICES AND PROGRAMS WHEN, UM, PROPERTY OWNERS FOR BUSINESSES BECOME VICTIMS OF CRIME OR, OR VANDALISM.
THEY DO OFFER CERTAIN PROGRAMS TO HELP THEM WITH REBATE PROGRAMS ON FIXING UP THEIR BUSINESS, BECAUSE AGAIN, WE WANT OUR BUSINESSES TO SUCCEED JUST LIKE OUR, OUR PROPERTY OWNERS.
UM, UH, WE ALSO HAVE THE VACANT BUILDING MONITORING PROGRAM.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'VE BEEN NEWLY, UH, UH, JUST RECENTLY, UH, IMPLICA - IM- IMPLYING AND USING.
AND SO WE HAVE ABOUT 20 PROPERTIES RIGHT NOW, SO I'M ESTIMATING THAT TO GROW AS WE CONTINUE TO FIND PROPERTIES.
UH, FOR, FOR THE VACANT BUILDINGS, WE DON'T AUTOMATICALLY PUT THEM IN OUR MONITORING PROGRAM WHERE WE MONITOR THEM MONTHLY.
UH, THE OWNERS DO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO APPEAL AND REQUEST THAT THEY SUBMIT A, UM, UH, PRETTY MUCH A MANAGEMENT PLAN TO US THAT THEY'RE GONNA MANAGE AND, AND MAINTAIN THE PROPERTY.
BUT IF THEY FAIL TO DO SO, WE AUTOMATICALLY ENROLL THEM INTO THE PROGRAM.
THEY PAY A FEE, WE MONITOR IT MONTHLY TO ENSURE THAT, YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T BECOME SUSPECT OF OCCUPATION, ILLEGAL OCCUPATION, VANDALISM, AND SO FORTH.
SO, UH, W - THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE UTILIZING NEWLY.
UH, WE'RE GONNA BE DOING SOME UPDATES HOPEFULLY SHORTLY WHERE WE'RE GONNA REQUIRE THAT PROGRAM FOR THOSE PROPERTIES TO ALSO BE ENROLLED IN THE NO TRESPASS PROGRAM AS WELL.
UH, WORKING WITH OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT AND OUR CITY PROSECUTOR'S OFFICE.
UH, WE ALSO HAVE THE GARAGE RESALE PROGRAM.
SO THAT PROGRAM IS FOCUSED ON PARTICULAR AREAS IN THE CITY THAT ARE HEAVILY IMPACTED BECAUSE OF, OF THE AMOUNT OF, OF RESIDENTIAL UNITS.
THERE'S NOT ENOUGH PARKING SPOTS.
AND SO WHAT WE DO THERE, WHENEVER THERE'S A PROPERTY GOING UP FOR SALE, UH, WE DO AN INSPECTION TO CONFIRM THAT THE GARAGES ARE BEING USED FOR THEIR PURPOSE, WHICH IS TO OCCUPY AND STORE VEHICLES, NOT, UM, ITEMS, PERSONAL ITEMS FOR THE MOST PART, OR, OR SOMETIMES, UH, THEY GET CONVERTED WITHOUT PERMITS.
AND SO WE HAVE TO, UH, WORK WITH THEM ON GETTING THAT LEGALIZED OR CONVERTING IT BACK TO THE ORIGINAL USE, DEPENDING ON THE ZONING AND LOCATION.
BUT THAT REALLY HELPS US BECAUSE, AGAIN, OF THE ISSUE THAT THE RESIDENTS HAVE REGARDING PARKING, RIGHT? THERE'S NOT ENOUGH PARKING IN SOME CIT - SOME, SOME AREAS.
SO THAT'S, UH, WE TYPICALLY DO, UH, QUITE A BIT OF INSPECTIONS FOR THAT.
THAT KEEPS US REALLY BUSY FOR THAT PROGRAM.
AND THEN I MENTIONED, ONE OF OUR, OUR, UH, ITEMS OR ACTIONS THAT WE CAN TAKE, AND THAT'S THE WEED ABATEMENT PROGRAM.
AND SO, AGAIN, IN SHORT TERMS, WHAT THAT MEANS IS IF, UH, THERE'S WEEDS AND DEBRIS ALL OVER THE PROPERTY THAT THEY'RE TWO, THREE FEET HIGH, AND THE OWNER'S NOT MAINTAINING THE PROPERTY, AND IT LOOKS LIKE A JUNGLE, UH, WE GIVE THEM A NOTICE TO COMPLY, AND IF THEY FAIL TO DO THAT AT THAT POINT, UH, WE TYPICALLY WILL GET, UH, UH, A BID TO CLEAN UP THE PROPERTY FROM A CONTRACTOR, AND WE GO TO COURT, GET AN ORDER TO GET ONTO THE PROPERTY ILLEGALLY, AND WE CLEAN IT UP FOR THEM, AND WE SEND THEM A BILL.
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WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT A FEW THINGS TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S, IT'S CLEAR BECAUSE, UM, A LOT OF FOLKS, UM, GET A LITTLE FRUSTRATED, BUT I JUST WANNA SPECIFY AS OUR PROCESS, WE HAVE TO FOLLOW CERTAIN LAWS AND IT'S, UH, IT'S PART OF OUR DUE PROCESS.SO WHENEVER WE FIND VIOLATIONS, WE'RE REQUIRED BY LAW TO NOTICE THE OWNERS.
WE HAVE TO GIVE THEM SPECIFIC TIMEFRAMES.
SOMETIMES THESE THINGS TAKE LONGER THAN THE EXPECTATION OF THE PUBLIC AND THEY GET FRUSTRATED BECAUSE THEY WANT US TO DO IMMEDIATE ACTIONS, BUT WE CAN'T BECAUSE STATE LAW SAYS WE'RE REQUIRED TO GIVE THE OWNERS, UH, RE - UH, UH, THE APPROPRIATE TIME TO, TO, UH, REMEDY THE VIOLATIONS.
SO WHAT, WHAT IS THAT TIMELINE? IT DEPENDS ON THE VIOLATIONS.
SO THE MAJORITY, FOR EXAMPLE, OF VIOLATIONS THAT REQUIRE A PERMIT BECAUSE IT'S A STRUCTURAL VIOLATION, FOR THAT, FOR EXAMPLE, IT'S 30 DAYS MINIMUM FOR THEM TO START DOING ANYTHING.
UH, AND THAT'S PART OF THE BUILDING CODE.
SO THAT'S A STATE LAW THAT WE HAVE TO FOLLOW.
UH, WE DO PERIODIC INSPECTIONS WHERE THERE ARE DIFFERENT CASE TYPES TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S PROGRESS BEING MADE BECAUSE SOMETIMES THE OWNERS WILL STALL FOR VARIOUS REASONS.
SOMETIMES IT'S BECAUSE THEY RAN OUT OF FUNDS, UH, THEY'RE HAVING A CHALLENGING TIME GETTING A CONTRACTOR OR ARCHITECT FOR PLANS, UM, OR THEY JUST, UH, DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT TO DO.
SO THAT'S WHERE WE TAKE OUR TIME AND WORK WITH THEM AND WE KIND OF HOLD THEIR HAND AND WALK THEM THROUGH THE PROCESS.
SO IT REALLY USES A LOT OF OUR TIME, BUT WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE GIVE THEM THE, ALL THE SUPPORT THAT WE CAN TO MAKE THEM SUCCEED IN CLEARING UP THOSE VIOLATIONS.
IN SOME CASES WHEN WE DO ALL OF THAT AND THEY STILL DON'T COMPLY, JUST BECAUSE SOMETIMES OWNERS JUST SAY, "NAH, IT'S NOT A PRIORITY FOR ME," OR, UH, "IT'S MY PROPERTY, I CAN DO WHATEVER I WANT," UH, THEN WE HAVE TO TAKE ACTIONS AGAINST THOSE FOLKS.
UH, SO YOU'LL SEE THAT THERE'S GONNA BE ADMINISTRA- ADMINISTRATIVE CITATIONS, ABATEMENT PROCEEDINGS WHERE WE GO IN LIKE WEED ABATEMENT AND WE DO, WE TAKE ACTION ON BEHALF OF THE, OF THE RESIDENTS AND IN ORDER TO, AGAIN, MAINTAIN THE SAFETY ASPECT.
OR WE WORK WITH OUR CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE OR THE CITY PROSECUTOR'S OFFICE TO TAKE LEGAL ACTION.
SO I JUST WANNA GO OVER A LITTLE BIT ON THE LANGUAGE THAT JUST ABOUT EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS AND THAT'S MONEY.
AND SO WHEN FOLKS DON'T COMPLY, UNFORTUNATELY WE, WE DO HAVE, UH, THE USE OF THIS TOOL, WHICH IS THE ADMINISTRATIVE CITATIONS.
SO OUR FIRST CITATION'S $100, NOT A WHOLE LOT FOR SOME PEOPLE, BUT, UH, FOR SOME PEOPLE IT IS.
SO THE SECOND CITATION IS $200, THE FIFTH CITATION'S $500.
UH, THOSE ARE OUR NORMAL REGULAR LIKE, UH, CHARGES FOR THE ADMINISTRATIVE FINES.
NOW, IF WE FIND, FOR EXAMPLE, ANYBODY DOING MECHANIC WORK IN A RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY, THAT'S $500 FINE.
IF WE FIND THAT THERE'S SOME PERMITTED CONSTRUCTION, IT'S AN AUTOMATIC FOR, UH, FIRST CITATION IS $1,000.
UM, UH, IT'S $1,300 FOR VIOLATIONS FOR THIRD CITATIONS OR MORE, UH, FOR, FOR STRUCTURAL VIOLATIONS.
AND THEN IF IT'S A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY AND THERE'S ISSUES WITH ZONING, THAT MEANS THAT THEY'RE DOING THINGS THEY'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO WITHOUT APPROVALS OR IF, UH, IF IT'S A REFUSE CONCERN OR ISSUE, THAT THIRD CITATION IS $2,500.
AND AGAIN, IT'S JUST BECAUSE IT'S SUCH AN ISSUE FOR OUR RESIDENTS AND JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S HEALTH AND SAFETY, UH, CONCERNS THAT WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE TRASH IS PROPERLY PICKED UP, UH, QUICKLY AND IT'S STORED PROPERLY UNTIL THE REFUSE FOLKS CAN COME AND PICK IT UP.
AND SO THAT'S WHY YOU KINDA SEE THAT FINE IS A LITTLE BIT HEFTIER THAN THE OTHERS.
NOW, THE GOOD STUFF, THIS IS WHERE YOU'RE GONNA DEAL WITH YOU FOLKS.
UH, SO THINGS THAT YOU'RE GONNA PROBABLY SEE IS APPEALS FOR ADMINISTRATIVE CITATIONS.
SO THAT'S WHEN SOMEBODY RECEIVES AN ADMIN SITE AND THEY DON'T AGREE WITH US.
UH, THEY HAVE 30 DAYS TO APPEAL AND IT'S ON THEIR CITATION.
UH, STAFF EXPLAINS IT TO THEM.
AND SO WITHIN THOSE 30 DAYS, THAT'S WHEN YOU'LL PROBABLY ENGAGE WITH US AND WE'LL, WE'LL, YOU'LL SEE THAT THERE'S SOMEBODY THAT'S APPEALING THE CITATION.
NORMALLY, UH, WHAT WE FOCUS ON IS THE CITATION IS THEY'RE GONNA APPEAL, UH, WHETHER OR NOT THE VIOLATION EXISTED AT THE TIME THE CITATION WAS ISSUED OR IF THEY'RE THE CORRECT RESPONSIBLE PARTY.
SOMETIMES THEY'LL COME IN, THEY'RE GONNA, THEY'RE GONNA PROBABLY APPEAL TO YOU FROM EVERY OTHER REASON POSSIBLE, BUT THE TWO ITEMS AND TOPICS THAT I MENTIONED ARE THE ONES THAT YOU WOULD STRICTLY KIND OF FOCUS ON.
UM, THEY MAY REFER, WE MAY REFER APPEALS FOR PROGRAM FEES.
SO SOMETIMES, UH, WHEN THE PROPERTY OWNERS RECEIVE OUR ANNUAL, UH, FEES, FOR EXAMPLE, THE VACANT LOT PROGRAM, UH, SOMETIMES FOLKS OWN MAN- MANY PROPERTIES AND THEY'LL FORGET AND THEY'LL JUST PAY IT.
BUT THEN NEXT YEAR THEY, THEY CALL US AND THEY, THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT HAPPY WITH US BECAUSE WE'RE CHARGING THEM TO KEEP THEIR INSPECTION THEIR PROPERTY.
AND SO WE ALLOW THEM TO APPEAL RIGHT NOW TO, TO YOU FOLKS, UM, TO COME AND SAY WHY THEY SHOULDN'T BE, UH, BEING CHARGED THIS FEE.
BUT AGAIN, THIS IS, UH, UH, AN ORDINANCE THAT WAS PASSED BY CITY COUNCIL, SO THAT'S A FEE THAT'S A PROGRAM THAT'S REQUIRED FOR US TO FOLLOW.
UM, BUT IN WORKING WITH OUR PLANNING, UM, BUREAU, THEY DO HAVE MANY OPTIONS ON HOW TO LEGALLY GET OUT OF THE PROGRAM.
FOR EXAMPLE, ONE OF THE POPULAR ONES THAT WE RECOMMEND IS FOR THEM, UH, TO, FOR TWO
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PARCELS TO, TO LEGALIZE THEM AND BECOME ONE.SOMETIMES THEY DON'T WANNA DO THAT FOR TAX PURPOSES, BUT, UH, LEGALLY, THEY OWN TWO DIFFERENT PARCELS.
SO WE HAVE TO OFTEN TELL THEM, "HEY, THESE ARE YOUR OPTIONS.
THERE'S ABOUT 12 DIFFERENT OPTIONS." SO WE OFTEN REFER THEM TO TALK TO A PLANNER WHERE THEY CAN GET THOSE SPECIFIC DETAILS ON HOW TO GET OUT OF THAT PROGRAM THE, THE LEGAL CORRECT WAY.
UM, EVERY TIME YOU'RE GONNA S - YOU'RE GONNA SEE OUR, US PRESENTING A CASE, YOU'RE GONNA SEE PHOTOGRAPHS OF THE VIOLATIONS.
NORMALLY, YOU'RE GONNA SEE THE CONDITIONS, YOU'RE GONNA SEE WHAT OUR STAFF SAW WHEN THEY WENT OUT TO THE LOCATION.
THAT'S JUST CONFIRMING, THAT'S OUR EVIDENCE THAT STAFF SAW THE CONDITIONS AND VIOLATIONS AT THE TIME OF THE INSPECTION.
UM, HOW DO WE NOTIFY THEM? OBVIOUSLY IN PERSON WHEN WE'RE THERE, WE EDUCATE THEM, BUT BY LAW, WE'RE REQUIRED TO NOTIFY THEM BY MAIL.
SO EVERY, ALL OUR NOTICES, ALL OUR LETTERS, CITATIONS, THEY GO OUT BY MAIL.
UH, IN ADDITION TO THAT, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE, UM, NOTIFY INTERESTED PARTIES, WE ALSO POST NOTICES AND CITATIONS ON THE PROPERTY JUST TO MAKE SURE, BECAUSE SOMETIMES, UM, FOLKS WON'T ACCEPT THE MAIL OR NO ONE PICKS IT UP.
UH, SO WE DO POST THE PROPERTY AS WELL.
UH, WE DO GO ABOVE AND BEYOND AS WELL.
WE MAKE ATTEMPTS TO NOTIFY ALL INTERESTED PARTIES, UH, VIA PHONE CALLS, IN PERSON.
UM, ANOTHER ITEM THAT YOU MIGHT SEE OR TOPIC IS, UH, CASES THAT ARE SUBSTANDARD BUILDING CASES.
AND SO IF SOMEBODY APPEALS OUR JUDGMENT ON BEHALF OF THE BUILDING OFFICIAL, UH, THEY DO HAVE THE RIGHT TO APPEAL AND THAT'S WHEN YOU'RE GONNA PROBABLY SEE THOSE KINDS OF CASES.
SO THOSE ARE THE CASES THAT ARE A LITTLE BIT MORE COMPLEX BECAUSE WE DETERMINE THAT THE PROPERTY IS SUBSTANDARD, MEANING THAT THERE'S A LOT OF VIOLATIONS UNDER THE HEALTH AND SAFETY CODE WHERE IT MIGHT BE AT A POINT WHERE WE MIGHT HAVE TO REMOVE THE OCCUPANTS BECAUSE OF THE CONDITIONS AND HAZARDS.
UM, IT MIGHT REQUIRE A LOT OF WORK, PERMITS, PLANS, AND A LOT OF MONEY, UH, TO BRING THAT PROPERTY UP TO CODE.
SO THOSE ARE THE KIND OF CASES THAT I THINK WILL BE MORE COMPLEX THAN WHEN YOU'RE DEALING WITH THOSE.
AND AGAIN, UH, NICK WILL COVER SOME MORE DETAILS WHEN HE GOES OVER YOUR AUTHORITIES, UM, AND, AND YOUR, UH, DUTIES ON WHEN YOU'RE REVIEWING THOSE KIND OF CASES.
AND SO WHAT IT'LL LOOK LIKE, IT'S LIKE A MINI COURT TRIAL.
UM, WE'LL PRESENT OUR CASE TO YOU, GIVE YOU ALL THE DETAILS AND FACTS, AND EVERYTHING IS BASED ON FACTS.
IT'S, UH, WHETHER OR NOT THERE WAS A VIOLATION EXISTING AND WAS IT A HAZARDOUS CONDITION OR NOT.
ALL THOSE FACTORS WE'LL EXPLAIN TO YOU DURING OUR CASE AS TO WHY WE OPENED UP THIS CASE AND WHY WE'RE PURSUING THE CERTAIN ACTIONS THAT WE'RE TAKING.
UH, A LOT OF THE TIME IT'S BECAUSE THE OWNERS HAVE FAILED TO DO THEIR PART, UH, FOR VARIOUS REASONS.
UH, SOMETIMES, AGAIN, I MENTIONED THEY MIGHT NOT HAVE THE FUNDING, BUT THE MAJORITY OF TIME IT'S BECAUSE THEY'RE JUST TAKING TOO LONG AND IT'S A SAFETY HAZARD FOR US AND THE PUBLIC'S EXPECTING US TO CONTINUE WITH ACTION.
UH, AND AGAIN, THE SAFETY FACTOR HERE IS WHAT WE CARE ABOUT.
SO I JUST WANTED TO ALSO, UH, KIND OF EDUCATE YOU ON A LITTLE BIT DEMYSTIFYING SOME OF THE MYTHS THAT ARE OUT THERE.
SO, UH, WE DON'T PROVIDE UPDATES TO REPORTING PARTIES, UH, A LOT OF TIMES BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S COVERED UNDER PROTECTIONS FOR CURRENT INVESTIGATIONS.
UM, AND, AND THEN THE SECOND PART IS WE DON'T HAVE THE, THE MANPOWER OR PERSONNEL TO JUST KEEP DAILY UPDATES FOR FOLKS.
BUT, UH, WHAT WE DO DO ON OUR WEBSITE, WE DO PROVIDE THE LIST OF CURRENT OPEN CASES AND DETAILS ON WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE CASE.
SO FOLKS CAN GO ONLINE AND CHECK, UH, BUT UNFORTUNATELY, YOU KNOW, WE DO IT OUT OF COURTESY SOMETIMES DEPENDING ON THE CASE TYPE.
UH, BUT THE MAJORITY OF THE TIME WE DON'T HAVE THE S - THE, THE PERSONNEL BECAUSE WE HAVE COORDINATED, UM, INSPECTIONS THAT WE'RE DOING OUT THERE DAILY.
UM, STAFFS ARE ON THE PHONE CONSTANTLY.
WE'RE HELPING FOLKS AT THE HELP DESK ON THE SECOND FLOOR WHEN THEY COME AND PULL PERMITS OR SUBMIT PLANS.
SO OUR STAFF GOES DOWN THERE, AGAIN, SOMETIMES TO GUIDE THE, UH, PROPERTY OWNER OR CONTRACTORS WORKING WITH OUR VARIOUS STAFF HERE TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING'S DONE PROPERLY.
UH, WE DON'T SHARE REPORT, UH, REPORTED VIOLATIONS, UH, WITH WHO, WHO CALLED IN.
SO WE DON'T SAY YOUR NEIGHBOR CALLED OR THE NEIGHBOR ACROSS THE STREET.
A LOT OF FOLKS ASSUME THAT IT'S THE NEIGHBORS, BUT BELIEVE IT OR NOT, SOMETIMES IT'S JUST SOMEBODY RANDOMLY WALKING BY OR DRIVING BY.
UH, BUT A LOT OF TIMES, EVEN WHEN COMPLAINTS ARE SUBMITTED ANONYMOUSLY, WE DON'T KNOW WHO IT IS, UM, BECAUSE AGAIN, WE TAKE THOSE ANONYMOUS COMPLAINTS AS WELL.
UM, WE DON'T DEAL OR, WITH OR REMOVE UNHOUSED FOLKS OFF PROPERTIES.
SO AGAIN, WE WORK WITH THE OWNERS TO DO THAT WITH POLICE DEPARTMENT AND ALSO THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT TO DO OUTREACH TO OFFER THOSE FOLKS SERVICES AND ASSISTANCE.
UM, UNFORTUNATELY, WE CAN'T USE PHOTOGRAPHS PROVIDED BY THE PUBLIC.
IT'S LIKE LAW ENFORCEMENT, WE HAVE TO OBSERVE THE VIOLATIONS OURSELVES AND TAKE PHOTOS WITH OUR EQUIPMENT, UH, TO BE ABLE TO USE THAT EVIDENCE.
UH, WE DON'T ENTER ANY PROPERTY AT ANY TIME, UNLESS IT'S AN EMERGENCY SITUATION.
THAT'S PROBABLY ONE OF THE ONLY FEW TIMES THAT WE'LL GO ON THE PROPERTY, AGAIN, FOR SAFETY, RIGHT? UH, BUT NORMALLY WE ASK
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PERMISSION TO ENTER.IF WE OBSERVE, UM, EVIDENCE OR WE SEE SOMETHING THAT LEADS US TO BELIEVE THAT THERE'S, UH, VIOLATIONS OF CONCERN, THEN WE ALSO HAVE THE OPTION TO GO TO COURT AND GET AN INSPECTION WARRANT.
THAT MEANS THAT WE CAN LEGA- LEGALLY GO ONTO THE PROPERTY AND INSPECT AND CONFIRM THE VIOLATIONS, AND THEN FROM THERE, WE WORK WITH THE OWNER.
UH, WE OFTEN EXPLAIN TO THEM WE, WE CHOOSE NOT TO DO THAT OFF THE BAT BECAUSE IT'S GONNA COST THEM MORE MONEY AND IT COSTS US MORE TIME TO GET ALL THAT READY.
SO WE, WE TRY TO BE HONEST AND OPEN WITH, WITH THE RESPONSIBLE PARTIES ABOUT THAT.
UH, WE DON'T PICK AND CHOOSE WHAT COMPLAINTS WE WANNA INVESTIGATE.
AGAIN, LIKE I MENTIONED, UH, AS THEY COME IN, WE ASSESS THEM WHICH ONES ARE SERIOUS OR NOT, AND WE ADDRESS THOSE FIRST.
AND THEN AS WE CAN GET TO OTHER ONES, UH, WE GET TO THOSE, FOR EXAMPLE, LIKE GRAFFITI, WE GET QUITE A BIT OF GRAFFITI REQUESTS, BUT UNFORTUNATELY, LIKE I SAID, IF THERE'S ANOTHER ISSUE THAT'S MORE OF A STRUCTURAL HAZARD OR FIRE HAZARD OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, WE'RE GONNA ADDRESS THOSE FIRST.
AND THEN EVENTUALLY WE WILL GET TO THE GRAFFITI ONES.
AGAIN, BECAUSE WE'RE NOT DOING IT ALONE, WE OFTEN COORDINATE WITH OUR, UH, PARTNERS AND PUBLIC WORKS CLEAN TEAM TO REMOVE THE GRAFFITI.
UM, AND AGAIN, WE'RE REQUIRED BY LAW TO PROVIDE DUE PROCESS TO OUR RESPONSIBLE PARTIES TO CO - UH, CORRECT THE VIOLATIONS.
SO AGAIN, I MENTIONED, FOR EXAMPLE, ANYTHING STRUCTURAL, TYPICALLY IT'LL BE 30 DAYS.
AND OTHER VIOLATIONS, IT CAN BE 15 DAYS.
TRASH CANS, FOR EXAMPLE, IT MIGHT BE JUST A COUPLE DAYS, BUT WE STILL HAVE TO NOTICE THEM BY MAIL.
SO WE, YOU KNOW, WE GIVE THEM A LITTLE BIT ABOUT A WEEK, UM, SOMETIMES, EVEN THOUGH THEY CAN JUST REMOVE IT ON THE SPOT, WHICH WE ENCOURAGE FOLKS TO DO, AND THEN WE DON'T HAVE TO OPEN UP A CASE, AND THEN IT CLEARS UP THE VIOLATION.
UM, AND AGAIN, I JUST WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT AGAIN, WE DON'T PROVIDE UPDATES, AGAIN, UH, ESPECIALLY WHEN THERE'S A CURRENT INVESTIGATION FOR A CURRENT CASE.
WE, WE, WE DON'T SHARE THAT WITH, WITH THE PUBLIC.
UM, SO HOW DO FOLKS REACH US? MY FAVORITE, UH, OPTION TO TELL FOLKS IS, IS CALL US ON OUR HOTLINE BECAUSE I PREFER SOMEBODY PICK UP THE PHONE AND, AND TALK TO THEM, AND OUR STAFF CAN COLLECT MORE DETAILS.
AND I ALWAYS, I ALWAYS FEEL IT'S A LITTLE BIT BETTER BECAUSE WHOEVER'S CALLING, SOMETIMES THEY MIGHT BE CONCERNED, UH, STRESSED, THEY MIGHT BE ANGRY, AND IT JUST ALWAYS HELPS OUT WHEN THEY SPEAK TO SOMEBODY TO COLLECT ALL THOSE DETAILS.
UH, BUT THEY CAN ALSO REPORT US, UH, ANY VIOLATIONS ON LBCODE.ORG AND THEY CAN DO THAT ANY TIME OF THE DAY OR NIGHT, ON THE WEEKENDS.
UM, AND SO THAT'S ALSO GOES INTO OUR SYSTEM AUTOMATICALLY, AND THEN IT GOES INTO A QUEUE, OUR STAFF REVIEWS IT AND THEY PRIORITIZE THE TYPE OF REQUEST THAT'S BEING SUBMITTED, AND THEN STAFF EVENTUALLY GOES OUT.
SO I ALWAYS PREFER FOLKS TO PLEASE CALL US AND CONTACT US.
A LOT OF TIMES WHAT HAPPENS IS THEY'LL, THEY'LL, THEY'LL CALL ANGRY SAYING, "HEY, I'VE CALLED THE CITY ALREADY." AND I ASK THEM, "DID YOU CALL US?" LIKE, NO, I CALLED SOMEBODY.
AND SO I ALWAYS ENCOURAGE THEM, "HEY, CALL US.
UM, EVEN IF IT'S NOT US, IF WE'LL REFER TO THE CORRECT PARTY." AND LIKE I SAID, WE BUILT PARTNERSHIP WITH THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS WHERE SOMETIMES THEY GET OUR COMPLAINTS, UH, AND THEY'LL ROUTE THEM TO US AS WELL.
SO WE TRY TO WORK CLOSELY WITH OUR PARTNERS.
BUT THESE ARE THE TWO WAYS THAT PEOPLE CAN SUBMIT COMPLAINTS.
AND THESE ARE THE PREFERRED WAYS BECAUSE IF SOMEBODY CALLS AND TALKS TO STAFF, IT GETS ENTERED TO THE SYSTEM BY OUR STAFF.
IF THEY SUBMIT IT ONLINE VIA THE LBCODE.ORG, THEIR ENTRY GOES INTO OUR SYSTEM.
SO IT'S LOGGED AND TRACKED, THAT WAY WE, WE'RE HELD ACCOUNTABLE TO RESPOND TO THAT EVENTUALLY, JUST LIKE THE POLICE.
WHEN THEY RECEIVE A CALL FOR SERVICE, IT GOES INTO THEIR SYSTEM AND THEN THEY CAN ACTUALLY PULL HOW MANY TIMES THEY'VE RECEIVED COMPLAINTS.
SO WE ALWAYS STRESS THE IMPORTANCE OF PEOPLE CALLING US SO WE CAN TALLY UP HOW MANY COMPLAINTS WE'RE GETTING TO SEE THAT IT'S A, IT'S A FACTOR THAT'S CONCERNING A LOT OF FOLKS OR NOT.
AND SO THAT'LL HELP US PRIORITIZE SOMETIMES THOSE REQUESTS.
JUST SHARE A, A FEW PICTURES, UH, OF US DOING A LITTLE BIT OF CLEANING ON, UH, PEOPLE'S PROPERTIES.
YOU KNOW, IMAGINE THIS IS YOUR NEIGHBOR, YOU, YOU DON'T WANNA SEE THAT, YOU KNOW, IT MIGHT HARBOR RATS AND OTHER, UM, WILDLIFE.
THIS IS THE INTERIOR OF A UNIT.
WE DEAL WITH THESE KIND OF CONDITIONS FROM TIME TO TIME AS WELL.
SO, UH, OUR STAFF DEALS WITH QUITE A BIT OF CHALLENGING SOMETIMES, NOT JUST, UH, THREATS FROM FOLKS, UH, CRIMINALS, BUT ALSO THE CONDITIONS ON PROPERTIES, BEING EXPOSED TO THINGS.
SO OUR STAFF, UH, REQUIRES A LOT OF TRAINING, A LOT OF EXPERIENCE TO BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THESE KIND OF SITUATIONS BECAUSE IT CAN BE HAZARDOUS TO EVEN OUR OWN HEALTH.
SO AGAIN, UH, THIS COULD BE ANY- ANYBODY'S NEIGHBOR, RIGHT? SO WE TRY TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WORK WITH FOLKS.
UH, SOMETIMES WE DEAL WITH FOLKS THAT HAVE, UH, MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES WITH HOARDING, FOR EXAMPLE.
AND SO YOU JUST CAN'T SHOW UP AND TAKE THEIR STUFF, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THEY CAN DO SOMETHING ERRATICAL, UH, ERRATIC.
AND SO WE, WE DO, UH, TRY TO BRING IN FOLKS TO HELP US WITH THOSE SITUATIONS.
BUT THESE ARE JUST SOME EXAMPLES OF THINGS THAT WE DEAL WITH.
UH, LIKE I MENTIONED, VACANT BUILDINGS THAT ARE ATTRACTIVE TO NUISANCE, UH, A LOT OF TIMES THEY START OFF REALLY BAD BECAUSE THEY'RE, THEY'RE VACANT.
AND THEN WE WORK WITH THE OWNERS OR SOMETIMES WE TAKE ACTION, BUT A LOT OF TIMES WE TRY TO HAVE THE OWNERS DO IT AND THEN THEY, UH, OPEN UP A VACANT LOT, WHICH EVENTUALLY
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GETS CONVERTED INTO A FUTURE PROJECT.AND THAT'S WHAT WE LOVE TO SEE IS THE DEVELOPMENT OF OUR CITY WITH NEW HOUSING, NEW BUSINESSES, NEW OPPORTUNITIES FOR FOLKS TO GROW IN OUR CITY TO GROW.
AND AGAIN, EVEN A VACANT LOT, AGAIN, CAN BE CLEANED UP AND EVENTUALLY BE, HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR SOMETHING TO BE DEVELOPED THERE.
THERE'S A LOT MORE WE CAN DISCUSS IN THE FUTURE AS WE MEET AND WORK TOGETHER.
UH, BUT I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE OF ME NOW.
ONE THAT'S COME UP A LOT, WELL, A FEW YEARS AGO IT WAS COMING UP A LOT, IS, UH, NOISE POLLUTION, HIGH DECIBEL SOUND, LIKE CONCERTS AND STUFF.
WOULD THAT BE YOUR PLAN? THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
SO BELIEVE IT OR NOT, WE JUST RECENTLY, UH, ACQUIRED A NOISE CONTROL PROGRAM FROM THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT.
WE'RE DOING A SOFT TRANSITION WHERE THEY'RE, WE'RE STILL HELPING US BECAUSE, UM, IT'S A COMPLEX PROGRAM.
YOU KNOW, A LOT OF FOLKS JUST GO, "IT'S JUST NOISE.
JUST GO AND TELL, CONFIRM IT'S NOISE." THERE'S A PROCESS TO IT.
WE ACTUALLY HAVE TO GO OUT AND MEASURE THE NOISE FROM CERTAIN LOCATIONS AND CERTAIN TIMES.
AND SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY WORKING ON.
SO WE'RE STILL WORKING IN A PARTNERSHIP WITH THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT.
UH, THEY'RE STILL HELPING US WITH TRANSITIONING OVER BACK TO US.
SO, SO WE'RE GONNA BE DOING SOME UPDATES TO THAT BECAUSE, UH, THE WAY WE ENFORCE THINGS IS A LOT DIFFERENT THAN THEY DO.
UH, THE AUTHORITIES ARE DIFFERENT.
SO THERE'S SOME UPGRADES THAT WE NEED, WE NEED TO MAKE TO BE ABLE TO ALLOW US TO TAKE ACTION AGAINST RESPONSIBLE PARTIES.
AND SO YES, THAT'S GONNA COME TO US.
SO IF YOU HAVE A NOISE COMPLAINT, UH, YOU CAN GO ON THE WEBSITE AND SUBMIT IT TO THEM BECAUSE THEY'RE GONNA AUTOMATICALLY SEND IT TO US, BUT WE ARE, WE'RE TRACKING ALL THE COMPLAINTS AT THIS POINT.
SO YES, YOU CAN SEND THOSE OVER TO US NOW.
UH, AND AGAIN, UH, WE ARE GONNA HAVE, UH, SOME MATERIAL ON OUR WEBSITE IN THE NEAR FUTURE, UH, TO HELP EXPLAIN WHO DOES WHAT IN THE CITY.
UH, SO THERE ARE OTHER FOLKS IN OTHER DEPARTMENTS THAT ADDRESS NOISE COMPLAINTS, FOR EXAMPLE, LIKE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT FOR PARTIES AND LOUD MUSIC.
UH, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITIES, SO, YOU KNOW, BUILDING AND SAFETY CAN ASSIST WITH THAT.
AND THEN OTHER NOISES LIKE MECHANICAL NOISES FROM LIKE AIR COMPRESSORS, NOI - YOU KNOW, UH, HVAC UNITS, THAT'LL PROBABLY BE MOST LIKELY US GOING OUT THERE AND MEASURING.
SO WE ACTUALLY, UH, DID AN INSPECTION TODAY, UH, OF THIS, UH, HVAC UNIT WHERE THIS, THIS, UH, NEIGHBOR WAS COMPLAINING FOR A WHILE.
AND SO WE WENT OUT THERE WITH HEALTH DEPARTMENT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WERE GONNA DO A PROPER TRANSITION.
SO YES, NOISE WOULD COME TO US NOW.
I JUST WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
THAT WAS A REALLY GOOD PRESENTATION.
I KNOW WHAT, WHAT, WHAT YOU INSPECT, UM, AND I KNOW EXACTLY THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE OVERSIGHT OVER.
I WAS A LITTLE INTIMIDATED AT FIRST BECAUSE I WASN'T SURE, OH GOSH, WE'RE KIND OF SOME KIND OF A, YOU KNOW, LIKE A, LIKE, LIKE A, A JUDGE OR PANEL OR SOMETHING OR, BUT NOW I REALLY UNDERSTAND, UH, WHAT, WHAT WE'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR AND THANK YOU SO MUCH.
NO, THANK YOU FOR YOUR, FOR YOUR TIME.
AND JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, UH, OUR STAFF DOES GO TO TRAINING.
THERE'S CERTAIN LEGAL REQUIREMENTS THAT WE HAVE TO BE TRAINED UNDER.
UH, SO WE TAKE IT VERY SERIOUSLY.
AGAIN, BECAUSE OF THE DUE PROCESS REQUIREMENTS, WE, WE DO WORK VERY CLOSELY WITH OUR CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE BECAUSE THE AMENDMENTS APPLY TO WHAT WE DO.
UH, IT'S NOT MORE LIKE OUR BUILDING AND SAFETY, THEY'RE WELCOMED ON THE PROPERTY BECAUSE THEY WANNA GET THOSE PERMITS SIGNED, RIGHT, AND MOVE THE PROJECT ALONG.
FOR US, IT'S AN ENFORCEMENT ASPECT AND WE LOOK AT EVERYTHING BECAUSE WE DON'T JUST GO LOOK AT THE COMPLAINT.
SOMETIMES THERE'S OTHER ISSUES, UH, THAT WE BECOME AWARE OF.
SO I'M GLAD THAT YOU'RE ENTHUSIASTIC.
SO I LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU ALL, UH, IN THE FUTURE.
AND THEN AGAIN, ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE, PLEASE LET ME KNOW OR MY STAFF.
UH, SOMETIMES, AGAIN, IT'LL BE A LEGAL QUESTION, AND SO WE WORK CLOSELY WITH OUR, OUR, OUR LEGAL TEAM FROM PROSECUTOR'S OFFICE AND THE CITY ATTORNEY.
UM, SO TALKING ABOUT THE NOISE, IS, IS THAT ONLY SOMETHING THAT AFFECTS THE, UH, THE NOISE AS OBSERVED FROM, LIKE, A RESIDENCE OR A BUSINESS OR IS THAT ALSO ON...
DO YOU KNOW HOW IT, HOW NOISE MIGHT BE AFFECTED OF, UM, SOMEONE ON THE STREET WALKING ON A SIDEWALK? AT THE...
SO AT, AT THIS TIME, UM, DEPENDING ON THE TYPE OF COMPLAINT WE GET, MOST OF THE TIME IT'S GONNA BE SOMETHING AFFECTING RESIDENTIAL.
AND, AND THE, WHAT I'VE SEEN SO FAR IS WHERE YOU HAVE MIXED USE, LIKE, RESIDENTIAL UNITS THAT REALLY CLOSE UP TO COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS OR PROPERTIES OR, LIKE, SAY PINE STREET WHERE YOU HAVE APARTMENTS NEXT TO CLUBS OR BARS.
AND SO THOSE ARE THE SITUATIONS THAT I'VE BEEN KINDA SEEING, UH, TO START OFF WITH SO FAR.
BUT I'M AWARE OF THAT THERE'S ISSUES WITH, LIKE, UH, MECHANICAL SYSTEMS SOMETIMES.
FROM THE STREET, UH, I HAVEN'T REALLY SEEN ANYTHING.
IT'S MORE PROPERTY TO PROPERTY, UM, BUT WE WILL LOOK INTO THOSE AS THEY COME IN AND...
BUT THE MAJORITY THAT I'VE SEEN SO
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FAR HAS BEEN FROM A RESIDENTIAL TO A COMMERCIAL OR AN INDUSTRIAL IS ANOTHER ONE WHERE PEOPLE COMPLAIN BECAUSE THEY JUST ABUT RIGHT UP TO A INDUSTRIAL ZONE WHERE THEY'RE ALLOWED TO DO CERTAIN THINGS AND THEY'RE RESIDENTIAL.AND SO THEY, THAT'S, THAT'S THE CHALLENGE THAT WE HAVE THAT I SEE RIGHT NOW WHERE, LIKE, THERE'S A BALANCE BETWEEN BOTH USES, SO WE HAVE TO WORK CLOSELY WITH OUR PLANNERS TO VERIFY IS WHAT'S HAPPENING ON THE, UH, ON THE COMMERCIAL OR, OR INDUSTRIAL SIDE, UM, UH, LEGALIZED? DO THEY HAVE A CONDITION USE PERMIT TO DO WHATEVER THEY'RE DOING, THE, THE WORK HOURS? SO WE WORK WITH, UM, WE'RE, WE'RE WORKING CLOSELY WITH OUR BUSINESS LICENSING FOLKS TO HELP US, UM, ASCERTAIN THOSE DETAILS.
SO, SO IT STILL KIND OF BE A LEARNING PROCESS FOR US AS WE TAKE THIS NEW PROGRAM ON.
UM, AGAIN, THERE'S GONNA BE SOME UPDATES THAT WE'RE HOPING TO MAKE TO MAKE IT MORE EFFICIENT AND EFFECTIVE FOR US TO APPLY.
UH, SO I HOPE THAT YOU'RE PATIENT WITH US AS WE MAKE THOSE CHANGES.
AND AGAIN, MAYBE YOU HAVE INPUTS THAT CAN HELP US DEVELOP FURTHER THIS PROGRAM TO ADDRESS THOSE THINGS THAT YOU'RE MENTIONING.
YEAH, AND I MIGHT JUST ADD TO THAT.
SO GENERALLY, I THINK CODE ENFORCEMENT'S LOOKING AT NOISE ISSUES RELATED TO LAND USES AND, AND GENERATED FROM PRIVATE PROPERTIES.
IF THE QUESTIONS ABOUT NOISE GENERATED IN THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY, I THINK THAT WOULD BE MORE A POLICE AND PUBLIC DISTURBANCE PIECE.
AND I KNOW COMMISSIONER TEMPLIN ALSO ASKED ABOUT SPECIAL EVENTS.
UM, YOU MIGHT REMEMBER FROM OUR NOISE ELEMENT UPDATE, THERE'S MANY DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE CITY THAT CAN ENFORCE RELATED TO NOISE DEPENDING ON HOW IT'S GENERATED AND WHETHER IT'S REALLY A MORE PERMANENT NOISE ISSUE RELATED TO A LAND USE OF HOW SOMETHING'S OPERATING ON A PIECE OF LAND VERSUS KIND OF A ONE TIME, UH, ISSUE, UM, LIKE A SPECIAL EVENT OR A, A PUBLIC DISTURBANCE.
UM, AND JUST WANTED TO ADD THAT SPECIAL EVENTS IN THE PAST FEW YEARS HAS ADDED A LOT MORE NOISE MONITORS, SO THEY HAVE PROFESSIONAL NOISE, UM, MEASURING, UH, DEVICES, ESPECIALLY IN THE LOCATIONS WHERE THEY DO MULTIPLE EVENTS PER YEAR SO THAT THEY CAN ALSO MONITOR, REGULATE, AND ADJUST AS NEEDED SPEAKERS AND NOISE VOLUMES.
SO THEY TAKE, FOR EXAMPLE, UH, COMPLAINTS IN THE EVENING AND WEEKENDS WHEN THEY'RE RUNNING SPECIAL EVENTS WHEN MAYBE MOST OF OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT...
WELL, OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT STAFF, FOR EXAMPLE, WOULDN'T BE THERE TO IMMEDIATELY ADDRESS IT.
SIMILAR, IF YOU HAVE, LIKE, A DISTURBANCE OF THE PEACE, YOU WOULD HAVE THAT, UH, POLICE RESPONSIBILITY AS WELL.
I MEAN, THE, THE THING I'M THINKING ABOUT SPECIFICALLY IS THERE'S A CAR WASH, THE BLOWERS ARE NEAR THE SIDEWALK, SO IT WOULD BE A PRIVATE ACTIVITY ON A, ON A PROPERTY IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE, PROBABLY IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE COA CONDITION OF APPROVAL.
UM, BUT IT IS EXTREMELY, LIKE, 85 TO 90 DECIBELS.
UM, YOU KNOW, IF IT WERE, IF I HAD A HOME THAT WAS RIGHT NEXT TO IT, IT WOULD BE IN VIOLATION, BUT I GUESS BECAUSE I DON'T LIVE ON THE CORNER
UH, JUST THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I THINK WE ARE NOT DEALING WITH IN TERMS OF, OF HOW NOISES COMING OFF OF PROPERTIES CAN DEAL WITH.
THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO ASK ABOUT IS, UM, DOES THIS, UH, ORDINANCE POTENTIALLY DEAL WITH, UM, CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL ENFORCEMENT? NO.
SO CODE ENFORCEMENT IS TASKED WITH ENFORCING THE UNDERLYING CITY MUNICIPAL CODE, UM, NOISE ORDINANCE, AND THAT IS DIFFERENT THAN A CONDITION OF APPROVAL WHICH WOULD BE APP - UM, ENFORCED THROUGH THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR.
CODE AND THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR DO COORDINATE AND THEY GO OUT, FOR EXAMPLE, TO LIQUOR STORES TOGETHER.
SO BOTH ARE ENFORCED, BUT THROUGH TOTALLY DIFFERENT MECHANISMS. UH, WHAT CODE ENFORCEMENT IS ENFORCING IS THE CITY, UM, MUNICIPAL CODE LIMIT, SO THAT'S 70 DECIBELS OF DAYTIME NOISE, WHICH IS PRETTY LOUD, HONESTLY.
SO JUST LIKE I CAN HEAR SOMETHING OR A SOUND IS ANNOYING DOESN'T MEAN THAT IT'S IN VIOLATION.
WE'D HAVE TO GO AND DOCUMENT THAT NOT ON A ONE-TIME BASIS, BUT ON AN ONGOING BASIS, THE NOISE WAS OVER 70 DECIBELS.
SO THAT'S, UM, WHAT THEY ENFORCE, AND THEN THERE'S A LOWER STANDARD AT NIGHT, UM, WHICH IS 50 DECIBELS.
BUT AGAIN, IT'S TO PREVENT VERY LOUD, PROLONGED DISTURBANCE.
THERE CAN BE SOUNDS THAT WE ALL HEAR THAT ARE UNDER THAT NUMBER THAT ARE ANNOYING OR NOTICEABLE OR, OR JARRING, RIGHT? SO, UM, UH, WE'RE KIND OF TASKED WITH ENFORCING IT AGAINST THE, THE WORST OF THE WORST, NOT NECESSARILY...
IN A CITY OF HALF A MILLION PEOPLE, THERE'S A LOT OF N - SOUND AND NOT ALL OF IT'S GOOD, BUT, UM, THAT'S THE FRAMEWORK OF WHAT WE ENFORCE.
ANYONE ELSE? I HAD A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.
UH, WHAT IS THE VOLUME OF COMPLAINTS THAT ARE RECEIVED ON A...
I DON'T KNOW WHAT METRIC YOU USE, WEEKLY, MONTHLY BASIS IN TERMS OF REPORTED
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INTO, TO, UH, CODE ENFORCEMENT BY THE PUBLIC? ARE YOU ASKING ABOUT THE NUMBER OF, OF COMPLAINTS THAT WE NORMALLY GET? YES.YOU MENTIONED THAT THE VAST MAJORITY, I THINK, IN YOUR PRESENTATION COME IN FROM THE PUBLIC.
OH, I HAVE MY NUMBER HERE SOMEWHERE.
I SHOULD KNOW THIS OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
I HAD IT ON MY COMPUTER EARLIER.
AND AS A FOLLOW-UP TO THAT, UM, YOU HAVE A SEPARATE WEBSITE.
UH, IS THERE A REASON WHY YOU DON'T USE THE GO LONG BEACH APP AS WELL? YES.
SO THE GO LONG BEACH APP IS, IS AN APPLICATION FOR PUBLIC WORKS.
AND SO, UH, OUR PROGRAM IS LBCODE.ORG, THAT'S CONNECTED TO OUR SYSTEM.
SO WE, WE, WE OPERATE UNDER TWO DIFFERENT SYSTEMS. SO, UH, THEY DON'T NECESSARILY TALK TO EACH OTHER, BUT JUST FOR YOUR INFORMATION, UH, SOMETHING THAT WE DID WORK WITH THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT AND OUR TID DEPARTMENT IS WE WORKED, UM, WE, WE...
BEHIND THE CHANNELS, UH, THERE IS A MECHANISM WHEN COMPLAINTS THAT SHOULD BE GOING TO US GO TO THEM, THEY'RE ROUTING THEM TO US IN THE BACK CHANNEL.
AND SO WE DID THAT BECAUSE, UH, WE ORIGINALLY SEPARATE THOSE TWO AND PEOPLE WERE VERY, VERY UNHAPPY AND THE PROCESS WAS A LITTLE BIT SLOWER.
SO WE RETURNED IT BACK TO THE GO LONG BEACH APP.
FOR, LIKE, EXAMPLE, THE MAIN TOPIC FOR THAT WAS GRAFFITI.
AND SO WE PUT IT BACK ON THERE, AND WE, WE WORK WITH TID TO ROUTE THAT TO US ON AN AUTOMATIC BASIS, BUT IT'S KIND OF MANUAL/AUTOMATED WHERE THEY SEND THOSE TO US, SO THAT WAY IT DOESN'T FRUSTRATE THE PUBLIC ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THIS COMPLAINT.
SO THEY'LL GET A NOTICE THAT IT WAS SENT TO US, AND THEN WE TAKE IT OVER FROM THERE - OKAY.
WHEN IT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY CAN ADDRESS WHERE, REGARDING THE, UH, GO LONG BEACH APP.
AND THEN JUST ONE FEEDBACK, BECAUSE I, I GOT CURIOUS ABOUT THE, THE APP.
IT'S NOT OPTIMIZED FOR MOBILE AND MOST PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE ON THEIR MOBILE DEVICES.
IT'S STILL WEB-BASED OR DESKTOP.
YO MIGHT WANNA HAVE - YEAH, THE GO LONG BEACH APP HAS A LOT OF PROBLEMS, UM, AND IT'S LEGACY PROGRAMMING.
THAT'S WHY IT DOESN'T TALK TO CODE SYSTEM, WHICH IS ALSO LEGACY PROGRAMMING.
SO CODE SYSTEM IS BUILT ON INFOR, WHICH IS BUILT ON AN ORACLE PLATFORM, UM, VERSUS GO LONG BEACH IS NOT SALESFORCE, BUT IT'S BUILT ON, LIKE, A SALESFORCE, UH, PROGRAMMING LANGUAGE.
UM, NEITHER ARE FULLY SUPPORTED CURRENTLY BY THE VENDOR THAT CREATED THEM, SO BOTH ARE IN THE PROCESS OF BEING REPLACED.
SO INSTEAD OF, LIKE, FIXING THE THING THAT'S OLD AND BROKEN, I THINK THE GOAL IS TO SOMEDAY, HOPEFULLY THAT SOMEDAY IS SOON, HAVE A SINGLE POINT OF ENTRY FOR SORT OF ALL SERVICES THAT JOE PUBLIC WOULD LIKE TO RECEIVE FROM THE CITY.
UM, BUT UNTIL THEN, UM, ANGEL AND HIS TEAM DO A REALLY GOOD JOB, WHETHER THE COMPLAINT COMES TO PUBLIC WORKS OR IT COMES TO COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, WE FIGURE THAT OUT ON THE BACKEND SO THAT THE CUSTOMER ISN'T ON, LIKE, A WILD GOOSE CHASE.
AND, UM, THEN YOU HAD MENTIONED THE, THE TWO PROGRAMS WERE THE NO TRESPASS PROGRAM.
WHAT, WHAT EXACTLY IS THAT? THE NO TRESPASS PROGRAM IS A PROGRAM FROM THE CITY PROSECUTOR'S OFFICE, AND IT'S TYPICALLY, UH, MANAGED BY THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
SO WHAT THAT IS, IS A, A PROPERTY OWNER, UH, HAS TO FILL OUT A FEW FORMS GIVING CONSENT, UH, AND AUTHORITY TO LAW ENFORCEMENT TO ENTER THE PROPERTY AFTER HOURS, SAY, FOR A BUSINESS OR A VACANT LOT IN THIS CASE, WHERE THEY'RE HAVING ISSUES WITH TRESPASSING.
SO THE OWNER DOESN'T HAVE TO BE THERE.
HE ALREADY GAVE AUTHORITY TO LAW ENFORCEMENT TO ENFORCE THAT PARTICULAR SECTION OF, OF THE PENAL CODE, AND THAT'S FOR TRESPASSING, TO GET ANYBODY TRESPASSING OFF THE PROPERTY.
SO THEY CAN REMOVE THEM PHYSICALLY THROUGH TELLING THEM TO LEAVE, OR IF THEY REFUSE OR JUST NOT COOPERATING, THEY CAN TAKE THEM INTO CUSTODY AND ARREST THEM.
AND SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, FOR THE VACANT LOT PROGRAM, WE MADE IT MANDATORY BECAUSE WE'RE HAVING ISSUES WITH FOLKS JUST OCCUPYING THESE PROPERTIES AND CAUSING A LOT OF ISSUES.
AND SO IT JUST TOOK EFFECT RECENTLY THIS YEAR, SO WE'RE HOPING TO SEE IN THE NEXT TWO YEARS TO MEASURE THE METRICS TO SEE IF IT WAS AN IMPACT OR NOT, OR SUCCESSFUL OR NOT.
SO FAR, I, I CAN SEE FROM A FEW CASES THAT ARE HIGH PROFILE THAT I'M, UH, PAYING ATTENTION TO THAT, UH, IT, IT HAS WORKED WORKING WITH OUR, OUR, UH, WHAT WE CALL THE PROS, POLICE RESOURCE OFFICERS.
SO THOSE ARE OUR FIRST PRIMARY CONTACTS.
AND SO THOSE ARE THE GUYS THAT GO OUT THERE AND THEY ACTUALLY WORK WITH THE OWNER GETTING THE FORM SIGNED.
AND HOW DOES AN OFFICER WHO IS RESPONDING TO SERVICE KNOW THAT A, A PROPERTY IS ENROLLED IN THIS PROGRAM? UH, I'M NOT...
I CAN'T ANSWER THAT QUESTION BECAUSE THAT'S FOR POLICE, BUT I CAN ASSUME, MAYBE MAKE THE ASSUMPTION THAT IT'S IN THEIR CAD SYSTEM.
SO ON THE COMPUTER, TYPICALLY...
I USED TO WORK WITH THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT BEFORE, UM, DURING CODE ENFORCEMENT FOR ANOTHER CITY, SO THEY WOULD PUT IT IN THEIR SYSTEM SO WHEN THEY RESPONDED TO
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A CALL, IT WOULD SHOW UP LIKE, "HEY, THIS, THIS LOCATION HAS A, UH, CONSENT FORM SIGNED SO YOU CAN ARREST PEOPLE AND REMOVE THEM." AND IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, I WANNA SAY THAT OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS THAT SAME SYSTEM, SO THEY CAN PUT A NOTE ON THE, ON THE LOCATION.BUT I CAN ALWAYS CONFIRM WITH YOU AND CON - AND CONFIRM FOLLOW UP.
BUT I COULD HAVE SWORN THAT TALKING TO OUR PROS, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY, THAT THEY DO.
THEY HAVE, DISPATCH HAS A WAY TO PUT IT IN THERE.
SO WHEN THEY RESPOND TO A LOCATION, SOMEBODY WHO'S RESPONDING KNOWS, UH, OH, THERE'S THIS THING YOU CAN DO THERE.
COMMISSIONER LEMIS? ONE MORE QUESTION.
UH, WILL, UH, THE BUILDING AND CODE APPEALS HEARINGS BE, UH, HERE ON, ON THURSDAYS DURING OUR NORMAL MEETINGS OR WILL THEY BE ANOTHER TIME? YEAH, SO BEARING THE LEAD, WE DO HAVE APPEALS, BUT WE HAVE LIKE LESS THAN SIX OF THEM PER YEAR TYPICALLY.
SO THIS IS NOT GONNA TAKE OVER, UM, THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S TIME OR FORCE YOU TO HAVE ADDITIONAL MEETINGS PER YEAR.
YOU'RE GREAT AT HEARING APPEALS.
YOU HEAR EVERYONE, YOU WEIGH THE EVIDENCE.
THIS IS RIGHT IN YOUR WHEELHOUSE.
UM, AND WE DO NOT EXPECT IT TO MATERIALLY CHANGE, UM, THESE MEETINGS.
IT WOULD BE SCHEDULED JUST LIKE ANY OTHER PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING.
AND THE NUMBER OF COMPLAINTS, I KNOW IT'S MORE THAN 2000 PER YEAR.
SO, SO I JUST WANNA GET BACK TO YOU.
SO YEAH, SO LAST YEAR WE HAD A LITTLE BIT OVER 10,000 COMPLAINTS COME IN.
AND IF THERE'S NO FURTHER QUESTIONS, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO OUR, UH, FAVORITE CITY ATTORNEY, UH, NICK MASERRO.
NO, I WAS, IT WAS JUST A COMMENT, JUST A COMMENT THAT REALLY APPRECIATE.
WE, WE REALLY ARE SERIOUS ABOUT VOLUNTEERING OUR TIME TO MAKE THINGS RIGHT AND DO WHAT WE SAY WE'RE GONNA DO.
AND THE MORE EDUCATION WE GET TO SUPPORT THAT, THE, THE MORE WE CAN FOCUS ON WHAT WE DON'T HAVE OWNERSHIP OF AND WHAT WE DO AND ADDRESS OURSELVES TO THAT.
SO THE MORE EDUCATION, THE BETTER.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, COMMISSIONER.
SO YES, OUR DEPUTY CITY ATTORNEY, NICK MASERO, WHO WORKS, UH, VERY CLOSELY WITH CODE ENFORCEMENT IS GONNA WALK YOU THROUGH, UH, THE LEGISLATIVE CONTEXT THAT WE'LL BE WORKING IN.
SO I HAVE A LOT OF SLIDES HERE WITH A LOT OF TEXT ON THEM, AND IT'S NOT MY INTENTION TO SUBJECT EVERYBODY TO ME READING THROUGH A BUNCH OF LEGALESE ABOUT IT.
BUT ANGEL WAS EXTREMELY EXHAUSTIVE IN HIS PRESENTATION.
WHAT I HOPE TO GET, UH, TO PROVIDE FOR YOU RATHER IS, UH, AN OVERVIEW OF THE FOUNDATIONAL LAWS THAT APPLY TO THE JURISDICTION YOU'VE JUST INHERITED, UM, AND, AND YOUR SCOPE IN THOSE PROCEEDINGS, WHICH IS EXTREMELY SIGNIFICANT, AND MAYBE HOPEFULLY PIQUE YOUR INTEREST IN SOME OF THE PROCEEDINGS.
I THINK MAYBE ANGEL'S ALREADY DONE THAT ALREADY.
SO THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT OF TEXT ON THE SLIDES.
I HOPE IT'S A GOOD REFERENCE, UH, AS WE'RE GOING FORWARD.
IT LISTS A LOT OF MUNICIPAL CODE SECTIONS IN CALIFORNIA STATE STATUTES.
UM, AND AS YOU GET INDIVIDUAL CASES, YOU'LL GET A PACKET TOO THAT EXPLAINS THE SPECIFIC LEGAL BASIS FOR EACH OF THE ACTIONS THAT, THAT, THAT YOU'RE GONNA BE INVOLVED IN.
SO FIRST, UM, YOU'RE INHERITING ACTIVITIES FROM OUR BOARD OF EXAMINERS APPEALS AND CONDEMNATIONS.
UH, THEY SERVED, UH, FANTASTICALLY FOR THE CITY FOR ALMOST 50 YEARS, UH, DUE TO, YOU KNOW, DECLINING CASES, UH, AND THE BURDEN THAT THAT IMPOSES ON, UH, COMMUNITY MEMBERS, PARTICULARLY IN TRYING TO ATTEND THOSE SESSIONS, WHICH ARE OFTEN, UH, NOT SCHEDULED DUE TO A LACK OF QUORUM OR, OR A LACK OF CASES.
THE, UH, EFFORT WAS MADE TO CONSOLIDATE THOSE TO THIS COMMISSION, WHICH A STAFF NOTED, UH, HAS TREMENDOUS EXPERTISE ALREADY DEMONSTRABLY VISIBLY IN CONDUCTING THESE KINDS OF PROCEEDINGS.
SO, UH, WHILE THERE'S NOT A LOT OF CASES, THE STAKES ARE QUITE SUBSTANTIAL AND SIGNIFICANT, BOTH FOR THE COMMUNITY AND FOR THE PROPERTY OWNERS.
UH, ACTIONS THAT THE COMMISSION MAY, MAY APPROVE OR TAKE, UH, CAN END WITH ORDERS FOR THE RE- RENOVATION OR DEMOLITION OF SOMEBODY'S S - REAL PROPERTY.
SO, SO THESE ARE IMPORTANT AND SIGNIFICANT CASES AND WE'RE VERY GRATEFUL FOR YOUR, UM, WILLINGNESS AND PARTICIPATION IN THIS.
SO WHAT WE'LL TALK ABOUT, AGAIN, I'M GONNA CLICK THROUGH THESE MUCH FASTER THAN, UM, I'M TALKING, BUT LEGAL FOUNDATIONS, UH, THE KINDS OF CASES YOU'LL HEAR WHICH AARON, UH, ANGEL COVERED EXPERTLY, THE SCOPE OF YOUR AUTHORITY, WHAT A HEARING LOOKS LIKE, WHICH YOU ALREADY KNOW, AND, UH, HOW TO REACH A DECISION THAT HOLDS UP WHICH YOU ALREADY KNOW, AND THEN WHERE WE'RE GONNA GO FROM HERE.
SO THERE'S ESSENTIALLY THREE LAYERS OF LAWS THAT ARE AT ISSUE HERE, LAWS FROM THE STATE THAT DIRECT THE, THE CITY TO HAVE THIS COMMISSION TO HEAR CERTAIN KINDS OF HEARINGS, UH, ENABLING STATUTES THAT GIVE US DISCRETION TO HAVE THESE PROCESSES, AND THEN THE CITY'S IMPLEMENTATION WHERE, WHE- WHETHER WE'VE BEEN DIRECTED OR GIVEN DISCRETION.
SO ONE OF THE MAJOR ONES IS IN THE BUILDING CODE WHERE WE HAVE TO HAVE A BOARD ESTABLISHED TO HEAR CHALLENGES TO, UH, ENFORCEMENT DECISIONS UNDER THE BUILDING CODE.
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IMPORTANT JURISDICTIONAL STATUTES COME FROM THE HEALTH AND SAFETY CODE, UH, BOTH TO HEAR ABOUT BUILDING REQUIREMENTS IN THE CITY AND, UH, MAINTENANCE AND CHANGES OF OCCUPANCY FOR DWELLINGS OR PORTIONS THEREOF.UH, SO THAT'S WHERE OUR, OUR PRIP PROGRAM AND OTHER RESIDENTIAL PROGRAMS COMES IN.
WE ALSO HAVE VEHICLE ABATEMENT PROCEDURES THAT COME FROM THE VEHICLE CODE.
UH, AGAIN, IT'S NOT LIKE THE, UH, STREET SIDE, YOU KNOW, PARKS LONGER THAN THE SIGN ALLOWED KINDS OF THINGS, BUT INOPERABLE VEHICLES CREATING KIND OF BLIGHT OR NUISANCE CONDITIONS ON PROPERTY.
UM, AND WE ALSO DO NUISANCE ABATEMENT.
SO WHAT IS A NUISANCE? UH, EVERYTHING IS A NUISANCE IF IT'S A VIOLATION OF THE MUNICIPAL CODE OR IT'S, OR HARMFUL TO PUBLIC SAFETY OR HEALTH.
UM, REALLY BROAD AUTHORITY THERE.
AND SO THIS CAN BE ALL KINDS OF DIFFERENT THINGS AND INTERESTING CASES.
UM, ONE OF THE REASONS THERE ARE RELATIVELY FEW CASES DESPITE THIS INCREDIBLE BROAD JURISDICTION IS THE DEPARTMENT'S EXTREMELY FOCUSED ON VOLUNTARY COMPLIANCE.
AND THAT REALLY IS THE GOAL HERE IS GETTING COMMUNITY MEMBERS TO, UM, ADDRESS THESE ISSUES THEMSELVES WITHOUT RACKING UP A BUNCH OF FEES AND FINES THAT ARE GONNA REALLY HINDER THE PROCESS IN RESTORING WHATEVER THE BLIGHTED CONDITION IS.
BUT WE NEED TO HAVE TEETH AT THE END OF THE DAY OR ELSE THESE LAWS DON'T MEAN ANYTHING.
AND SO THAT'S WHERE YOUR ROLE REALLY DOES COME IN.
AND SO WHILE THERE'S A HUGE VOLUME, 10,000 CASES A YEAR, ALMOST ALL OF THOSE ARE RESOLVED CORDIALLY WITHOUT GETTING THE INVOLVEMENT OF THE P - THE COMMISSION IN.
BUT IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT WHEN THOSE FEW CASES DO COME UP THAT WE APPLY THE LAW AS IT'S WRITTEN FAIRLY AND EQUITABLY AND CONSISTENTLY.
SO, UM, HERE'S SOME MUNICODE SECTIONS THAT RELATE TO HEARING PROCEDURES GENERALLY, AND YOU HAVE THIS PRESENTATION.
SO PLEASE DON'T FEEL LIKE YOU NEED TO TRY TO READ ALL OF THIS NOW.
I'M JUST GONNA HELP YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT'S ON THESE SLIDES.
HERE'S SOME MUNICIPAL CODE SECTIONS THAT RELEA - RELATE TO COMMON CODE ENFORCEMENT AND BUILDING APPEALS TYPES OF CASES AND THE SPECIFIC MUNICIPAL CODE SECTIONS THAT APPLY.
YOU CAN SEE THEY'RE SCATTERED THROUGHOUT A NUMBER OF TITLES IN THE MUNICIPAL CODE.
A LOT OF IT IS GONNA DIRECT BACK TO THE PROCEDURAL STUFF DISCUSSED IN TITLE 18.
THAT'S ONE OF THE PRIMARY TITLES FOR YOUR LATE NIGHT READING IF YOU WANNA GET UP TO SPEED.
UM, MOST OF YOUR DOCKET WILL BE SUBSTANDARD AND DANGEROUS CONDITION CASES.
THESE ARE MAYBE THE MOST SUBSTANTIAL AS FAR AS IMPACT ON THE COMMUNITY AND THE PROPERTY OWNER, AS WELL AS PUBLIC NUISANCE DETERMINATIONS.
YOU'LL ALSO HEAR COST FEE AND PENALTY HEARINGS WHERE YOU'LL BE DETERMINING WHETHER THE COSTS OF ABATEMENT THAT THE CITY INCURRED IN ADDRESSING A NUISANCE OR A MUNI CODE VIOLATION ARE REASONABLE.
SO YOU SAW SOME OF THOSE CLEANUP EFFORTS.
CITY DOESN'T, UH, HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO THAT GRATIS.
THOSE FEES DO GET CHARGED BACK TO THE RESPONSIBLE PARTY, THE PROPERTY OWNER, AND THEY CAN CHALLENGE THE AMOUNT OF FEE THAT THEY'RE BEING, OR COST THAT THEY'RE BEING CHARGED BACK, AND THE COMMISSION WILL DETERMINE WHETHER THE FE - THE COSTS BEING CHARGED RELATED TO THAT ABATEMENT ARE REASONABLE.
ADMINISTRATIVE CITATION APPEALS, VACANT LOT MONITORING FEES, AND OTHER APPEALS AS ANGEL DISCUSSED IN GREAT DETAIL.
UM, THERE'S SOME TIMELINES ASSOCIATED WITH SUBSTANDARD AND DANGEROUS BUILDINGS AND YOUR JURISDICTIONAL, UM, REQUIREMENTS THERE.
HERE WE HAVE PUBLIC NUISANCE STATUTES AND THE TIMING WINDOWS THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH THOSE.
AGAIN, WHEN YOU GET ONE OF THESE CASES, ALL OF THIS INFORMATION WILL BE LAID OUT FOR YOU PARTICULAR TO THE TYPE OF CASE.
UM, BUT THIS IS JUST TO GIVE YOU A QUICK OVERVIEW AND SOME, AND A CHEAT SHEET IF YOU NEED IT FOR ANY REASON AT ANY POINT IN TIME.
UH, THERE'S, THERE'S REALLY LIKE A TWO MAJOR KI - OR FOUR MAJOR KIND OF CASES, EXCUSE ME.
THERE'S TWO MORE ON THE NEXT PAGE.
THE REASONABLENESS OF CHARGES, THE APPLICABILITY OF A FEE.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A VACANT LOT MONITORING PROGRAM.
THEY CAN GET OUT OF PAYING THE VACANT LOT MONITORING FEE IF THE LETTER OF THE LAW DOESN'T APPLY TO THAT PROPERTY.
SO YOU'LL BE LOOKING AT THE CONDITIONS OF THAT PROPERTY AND YOU'LL BE LOOKING AT THE LAW AS IT'S WRITTEN AND YOU'LL BE DETERMINING WHETHER THAT PARCEL IS A VACANT LOT AS THE STATUTE IS WRITTEN, THE MUNICIPAL CODE IS WRITTEN.
THE PROPRIETY OF A PENALTY UNDER CERTAIN PROGRAMS, INCLUDING OUR PREP PROGRAM, UM, AND SETTING A PENALTY IN OTHER CASES, UH, WHETHER A $1,000 CITATION OR $5,000 CITATION IS APPROPRIATE.
SO CITE, THIS IS KIND OF AN OVERVIEW FOR THE PROCESS FOR APPEALS FOR ADMINISTRATIVE CITATIONS.
YOU KNOW, YOU'LL BE CHECKING TO SEE IF THE VIOLATION OCCURRED, IS THE PERSON THAT'S CITED LEGALLY RESPONSIBLE, WERE THEY GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO NOTICE AND CORRECT? IS THE FINE ACCURATE, CORRECTLY CALCULATED? THESE PROCESSES WILL BE S - LOOK LIKE, MAYBE, MAYBE SOUND LIKE, UM, TO A LOT OF EXTENT THE KIND OF WORK YOU DO NOW, BUT THERE'S SOME SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE WORK THAT YOU'LL BE DOING IN CODE ENFORCEMENT AND THE WORK THAT YOU DO AS THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
HERE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A REAL FOCUSED ON, FOCUS ON APPLYING THE FIXED MUNICIPAL CODE STANDARDS TO THE FACTS PRESENTED IN FRONT OF YOU.
YOU'RE SERVING REALLY AS A JUDICIAL OFFICER WOULD SERVE.
UM, IN OTHER CASES, YOU'LL BE APPROVING
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OR, OR DISAPPROVING OF THE BUILDING OFFICIAL'S ACTION.THE COMMISSION, SIMILAR TO IN OTHER JURISDICTIONAL ASPECTS OF, OF YOUR RESPONSIBILITIES, DON'T HAVE AUTHORITY TO WAIVE APPLICA - OR THE PROVISIONS OF THE MUNICIPAL CODE OR REWRITE THE MUNICIPAL CODE.
IT REALLY IS JUST TO APPLY THE RULES AS WRITTEN.
AND I THINK IT'S COMMON FOR EVERYBODY TO ENCOUNTER A RULE ONCE IN A WHILE THAT THEY FEEL LIKE I MAY HAVE WRITTEN DIFFERENTLY HAD IT BEEN MY DECISION TO DO SO.
UM, BUT OUR TASK IS TO APPLY IT AS IT'S BEEN WRITTEN BY THE CITY COUNCIL.
UM, AND TO FOCUS ON THE PARTY'S EVIDENCE AND, AND THE INTERESTED PERSONS THAT PRESENT BEFORE YOU, GIVE EVERYBODY A FAIR SHAKE.
DO NOT DEFER TO THE RESIDENT THAT COMES AND PRESENTS IN OPPOSITION, BUT REALLY BE A NEUTRAL AND AN INDEPENDENT ARBITER.
YOU'RE GONNA DECIDE ON THE EVIDENCE THAT'S PRESENTED.
YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE EX PARTE, THAT MEANS WITHOUT, OUTSIDE OF, OF THIS VENUE, COMMUNICATION WITH ANYONE INVOLVED IN A PARTICULAR CASE.
YOU SHOULD DISCLOSE THAT IF THAT DOES HAPPEN, UH, AND CHECK FOR CONFLICTS, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE FINANCIAL INTERESTS IN A BUSINESS OR A PROPERTY THAT'S AT ISSUE, UH, AND KEEP AN OPEN MIND UNTIL THE HEARING IS CLOSED.
UM, HERE ARE RULES THAT ALREADY APPLY TO THE PROCEDURES THAT YOU UNDERTAKE THAT ALSO APPLY HERE, INCLUDING TAKING PEOPLE UNDER OATH.
UH, THE TECHNICAL RULES OF EVIDENCE HAVE THE SAME RELATIONSHIP IN THESE PROCEEDINGS AS THEY DO TO YOUR EXISTING PROCEEDINGS.
THAT IS, THEY'RE FOR GUIDANCE AND NOT STRICT ADHERENCE.
UH, AND THE ORDER OF PROCEEDINGS WILL STRONGLY RESEMBLE WHAT YOU'RE DOING.
NOW, IT'LL BE A LITTLE MORE STRUCTURED AS FAR AS EACH SIDE'S OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT, UH, UNINTERRUPTED AND RESPOND TO THE PRESENTATION OF THE OTHER SIDE.
UH, WE'LL TRY TO HAVE CLEAR DELINEATION BETWEEN WHEN ONE CASE IS OPEN AND WHEN THE OTHER CASE IS OPEN, BUT SUBSTANTIALLY IT'S GONNA LOOK VERY, VERY SIMILAR TO THE CONVERSATIONS YOU HAVE ALREADY.
AND WE'LL HAVE TO MAKE EVIDENTIARY FINDINGS AND FACTUAL FINDINGS JUST AS YOU DO, UH, TO SUPPORT THE DECISIONS THAT YOU MAKE NOW UNDER YOUR EXISTING RESPONSIBILITIES.
SO WE'LL, WE'LL REACH FINDINGS THAT DETERMINE THE CITATIONS ARE APPROPRIATE, THE FEES ARE APPROPRIATE.
WE'LL S - WE'LL TIE THOSE TO FACTS AND ARTICULATE THEM IN A WAY VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU DO NOW.
AND THERE'S AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT'S A GOOD FINDING AND A BAD FINDING, AND I KNOW YOU ALL ARE ALREADY EXPERT AT THIS.
UM, AND WE HAVE A, A LITTLE CASE WALK THROUGH WHICH IS A LITTLE REDUNDANT WITH THE PRESEN - THE ORDER OF OPERATION I SAID BEFORE, BUT, UM, YOU CAN TAKE A LOOK AT THAT IF IT'S INTERESTING.
UH, THE MAJOR POINTS I'D LIKE YOU TO GET NOW IS WE'LL, WE'LL HELP YOU UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION THAT'S IN FRONT OF YOU AND THE LEGAL APPLICATIONS TO ANY PARTICULAR CASE.
WE'LL DECIDE ONLY ON THE EVIDENCE THAT'S PRESENTED IN THE ROOM.
WE'LL GIVE EVERY OPPORTUNITY A FAIR SIDE.
WE'LL JUST APPLY IT TO THE FACTS THAT ARE WRITTEN.
AND YOUR FINDINGS ARE GONNA BE REALLY IMPORTANT AND IMPACT BOTH QUALITY OF LIFE IN THE COMMUNITY AND PEOPLE'S IMPORTANT INTERESTS IN THEIR REAL PROPERTY.
SO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME, ATTENTION, AND DEDICATION TO THIS.
SO I COULDN'T ASK YOU TO REPEAT THAT ENTIRE THING AGAIN, CAN I?
THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.
UM, GETTING NO OTHER COMMENTS, I'LL GO AHEAD AND TURN TO THE PUBLIC.
ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, PLEASE SAY COME FORWARD.
ANY VIRTUAL COMMENTS? IF THERE ARE ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, PLEASE USE THE RAISE HAND FEATURE NOW.
IF DIALING IN TELEPHONICALLY, PRESS STAR NINE NOW.
SEEING NONE, THAT CONCLUDES PUBLIC COMMENT FOR THIS ITEM.
ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS, COMMISSIONERS? SEEING NONE.
THE ONLY THING THAT I'LL, I'LL COMMENT ON IS THAT, UH, I'M SURE WE'LL HAVE, THERE'S ANOTHER BODY OF WORK AND WHEN WE DO THE FIRST HEARING, I'M SURE WE'LL DO A LITTLE BIT MORE, UM, REFRESHER ON, ON THE, THE PROCEDURES SO THAT WE'RE INFORMED.
UH, BUT YEAH, LOOKING FORWARD TO HELPING OUT AND CONTRIBUTING.
UH, WITH THAT BEING SAID, I'LL GO AHEAD AND ASK, CALL, CALL FOR THE QUESTION, PLEASE.
UM, COMMISSIONER CHAMBERS? YES.
COMMISSIONER CLEMSON? OH, AND, AND CAN, UH, NOTE FOR THE RECORD THAT COMMISSIONER CLEMSON LEFT AT 7:30.
AND NOW GO INTO PUBLIC COMMENTS.
[PUBLIC COMMENT Opportunity to address the Planning Commission on non-agenda items. Each speaker is limited to three minutes to make their comments unless extended by the Chair.]
WISHING TO MAKE ANY C- COMMENTS ON ANY NON-AGENDIZED ITEM? SHE'S COMING.[02:45:01]
THE WAY DOWN HERE, SO I THOUGHT I'D TAKE - THANK YOU FOR STICKING AROUND.UM, SO, YOU KNOW, ON THE EAST...
I'M ON THE EAST SIDE OF LONG BEACH.
I PURPOSELY CHOSE THAT LOCATION BECAUSE I HAD LIVED WITHIN A MILE OF LAX FOR 30 YEARS, LIVED AND WORKED WITHIN A MILE OF IT.
SO I KNOW WHAT IT'S ALL ABOUT TO LIVE BY AN AIRPORT.
AND I DIDN'T WANT TO DO THAT WHEN I MOVED HERE.
AND NOW, RECENTLY, THESE SMALL PLAIN SCHOOLS SEEM TO HAVE BE OVERLOADED, OR I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON, BUT THEY'RE FLYING OVER MY HOUSE.
THEY'RE FLYING OVER BY EL DORADO PARK.
AND ALL I CAN TELL YOU IS IT HAS RUINED THE QUALITY OF LIFE FOR ME.
I MEAN, I USED TO GO IN MY BACKYARD AND SIT IN MY GARDEN AND HAVE A CUP OF COFFEE IN THE MORNING.
I DON'T WANNA HEAR THAT BUZZING NOISE.
AND IN TERMS OF MEASURING NOISE, I DON'T THINK THE EAST SIDE IS EVEN ON THE RADAR.
I MEAN, WHEREVER YOU HAVE THESE LITTLE NOISE MACHINES WHERE YOU COLLECT WHAT'S GOING ON, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ONE.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS CAN DO ANYTHING ABOUT THIS OR IF I SHOULD BE GOING TO MY COUNCIL MEMBER, BUT, UM, THE OTHER THING THAT BOTHERED ME IS THE LAST TIME I WENT TO ONE OF THESE MEETINGS, SOMEBODY DID A REPORT OUT ON THE METRICS ON NOISE COMPLAINTS, AND IT WAS ASTRONOMICAL.
AND EVERYBODY KIND OF DID HOO-HUM.
I MEAN, THERE WAS NO ACTION TAKEN OUT OF THAT.
THERE'S NO POINT IN HAVING METRICS IF YOU AREN'T GONNA DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.
YOU KNOW, WHAT DO YOU HAVE THEM FOR IF YOU'RE NOT GONNA DO SOMETHING? ANYWAY, I JUST CAME UP HERE TO WHINE FOR A MOMENT.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS CAN DO ANYTHING ABOUT THAT, BUT SERIOUSLY, I'VE THOUGH OF MOVING.
YOU KNOW, I'VE LIVED THERE 25 YEARS AND FIXED UP MY HOUSE AND I LIKED WHERE I LIVED UNTIL THIS HAPPENED.
AND I THINK IT'S GONNA GET WORSE AND WORSE UNLESS SOMEONE DOES SOMETHING ABOUT CAPPING THE NUMBER OF FLIGHT SCHOOLS YOU'RE LETTING IN HERE.
I MEAN, LONG BEACH HAS OPEN ARMS TO THOSE BUSINESSES AND THEY'RE MAKING IT A MISERY FOR THE RESIDENTS.
ANY, UH, VIRTUAL COMMENTS? IF THERE ARE ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON A NON-AGENDAS ITEM, PLEASE USE THE RAIN'S HAND FEATURE NOW.
IF DIALING IN TELEPHONICALLY, PRESS STAR NINE NOW.
SEEING NONE, THAT CONCLUDES PUBLIC COMMENT FOR THIS ITEM.
[ANNOUNCEMENTS]
ANY ANNOUNCEMENTS? SEEING NONE.WELL, SINCE WE'RE NOT GONNA BE HERE FOR THANKSGIVING
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, COMMISSIONER.
YEAH, CAN YOU CONFIRM THE NEXT MEETING? YES.
UH, THE NEXT MEETING WILL BE THURSDAY, DECEMBER 3RD.
UM, AND BE - THERE BEING NO OTHER ANNOUNCEMENTS AND THERE BEING
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NO OBJECTIONS, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND ADJOURN THE MEETING AT 7:45.THANK YOU VERY MUCH, COMMISSIONERS.